Don White wrote:
"basskisser" wrote in message

Maybe is is Nirvana, in YOUR eyes. I've been fortunate enough to have
traveled all over FL for years, staying 8 months to a year in each
place, sometimes less. There are many, many beautiful places in FL. I
can't stand swampy places like Naples. I'm not keen on anyplace, either
coast, or inland, that is below S.R. 70. Too swampy, flat, and wet.
I've also been fortunate enough to have lived in several areas of the
U.S., and again, Naples, FL would rate very low in that catagory, too.
Real estate? Yes, the retirees that you fleece daily DO have money.



Yes, Naples is the perfect 'hunting ground' for our NOBY.
He has a captive audience of thousands of snowbirds each winter that he can
gouge, fleece, con etc...and by the time they catch on, they are back home
up north. Most are probably well off and can absorb the 'hit'.
Nirvana indeed!





Anywhere south of Orlando is not where you want to be from April through
October...too hot, too humid, too many incredible large insects.
Naples is where old folks go to live before they die.

"basskisser" wrote in message

Homes in Oakland, CA go for two or three times that. It is a crime
ridden hole, and is rife with homelessness, unemployment, murder, gang
activity, etc. So, to say that real estate prices define Nirvana, is
absurd.
....then...
http://www.cityrating.com/
Again for Fritz, Atlanta is a top ten city. Naples, FL isn't even
listed.
Forbes? Atlanta is #5. Naples, FL 53!

Ha! Atlanta *is* the definition of a crime ridden hell-hole. If you
compare it to Naples at www.bestplaces.com , Atlanta has 10 times the crime
rate that Naples has.

Atlanta is a good place to visit, or to be *from*. That's it.

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Jack Goff wrote:
Ha! Atlanta *is* the definition of a crime ridden hell-hole. If you
compare it to Naples at www.bestplaces.com , Atlanta has 10 times the
crime
rate that Naples has.

Atlanta is a good place to visit, or to be *from*. That's it.



Naples is like the old elephant graveyard...old farts go there to die.

Where is your place in Florida?

Actually depends where you are in Oakland, Ca. The range is from the old
ghetto area, which has a lot of really nice victorians if they were fixed
up, to the Oakland Hills, where a tear down small nice house on a big lot
will go for the $1,000,000+ price. And if it is a nice non teardown size
house the price can be $2,000,000+! How many $2mm+ houses in Atlanta?
Bill


"Jack Goff" wrote in message
m...

"basskisser" wrote in message

Homes in Oakland, CA go for two or three times that. It is a crime
ridden hole, and is rife with homelessness, unemployment, murder, gang
activity, etc. So, to say that real estate prices define Nirvana, is
absurd.
...then...
http://www.cityrating.com/
Again for Fritz, Atlanta is a top ten city. Naples, FL isn't even
listed.
Forbes? Atlanta is #5. Naples, FL 53!

Ha! Atlanta *is* the definition of a crime ridden hell-hole. If you
compare it to Naples at www.bestplaces.com , Atlanta has 10 times the
crime
rate that Naples has.

Atlanta is a good place to visit, or to be *from*. That's it.

"basskisser" wrote in message
oups.com...


It is Nirvana. And the high demand for real estate proves it.

Homes in Oakland, CA go for two or three times that. It is a crime
ridden hole, and is rife with homelessness, unemployment, murder, gang
activity, etc. So, to say that real estate prices define Nirvana, is
absurd.
Now, if you go he
http://money.cnn.com/best/bplive/details/1247625.html
You'll see that the average price of housing in Naples is $166k, and
the national average is $219k. Using your analogy that Nirvana is
defined by housing costs, you'll see that Naples is much below
average....


Hmmm. My link says that the median home price in Naples is $453,482.
http://www.internest.com/city/naplesfl.asp

Here's another link:
http://www.internest.com/city/naplesfl.asp

" In 2001, Naples appeared as #142 in a list of the US most wealthy towns,
with a median home price of $632,205. Even if you take into consideration
that the data may have come from a skewed source, it's not totally out of
line, if you consider that the US Census Data, notorious for being low,
shows Naples in 2000 with a median price of $416,000 which is almost 4 times
the national median price. "

Now that we've establised that the "median home price" is about 4 times the
national median average, how does the "average home price" compare?

From 2000 census data:
Naples: $185,605
US: $121,000
http://www.homegain.com/local_real_e...FL/naples.html


There's something wrong with the data in that money/cnn article. I suspect
it's from the 1996 census. Of course, the average home price went up 57%
from 1996 to 2003.
http://www.escapehomes.com/cities/Naples.htm


From my own personal experience:
I bought a house in 2001 for $409k and sold it last April for $560k. I
turned around and bought a house on the water for $825k. The prior owner
paid $320k for it in 1997. Down the street, the same house, in the same
square footage, and built the same year as mine just sold for $1.225
million...and they don't have a hot tub and a pool. That's in 8 months.
When I bought my house, there were 43 homes for sale in my
neighborhood...and only 9 of them were under a million. Now, there's 32
homes for sale, and only one of them is under a million...and it's 1500 sq
ft listed at $879k.

Why don't you satisfy your own curiousity, and browse the homes for sale in
Naples.
www.naplesarea.com

Do a search for homes from $2 million to over $20 million. You'll get an
error message saying that you need to refine your search because it returned
more than 250 homes. Do a search for homes priced between $150k and $200k
(you said the average is $166k, right?). What do you come up with? Less
than 40...and all in Lehigh Acres or Golden Gate Estates. Now refine your
search a little. Use the same prices, but limit it to single family homes.
Now make sure you exclude Zone 8 (Lee County) and Zone 7 (Golden Gate
Estates). How many homes do you come up with? Two. One is 1200 ft^2 and
the other is 1000ft^2.

How can there be more than 250 homes over $2million dollars, and only 2
homes under $175k, and the "average price" be $166k? Answer: there can't.
The CNN/Money numbers are wrong.

Naples, Florida offers more than just luxury home sales...
The Naples-Bonita Springs area was ranked the HOTTEST HOUSING MARKET IN THE
COUNTRY for eight consecutive years (1999 to 2003), according to U.S.
Housing Markets. Factors contributing to the first-place ranking of Naples,
Florida home sales include a strong economy, an increase in jobs, a high
quality of life and very competitive pricing for housing. New construction
has been driven both by the demand from people relocating to this area as
well as part-time residents purchasing a second or third home in Naples.

The strong appreciation of single-family homes and condominiums in the
Naples-Bonita Springs area since 1990 has made a home for sale in naples a
solid investment. In fact, Kiplinger's RANKED NAPLES #3 IN THE TOP METRO
MARKETS IN THE U.S. FOR PROJECTED INCREASE IN MEDIAN HOME, 1999-2010.
Although well known for its luxury home market, more and more families have
discovered that Southwest Florida is quite affordable. Demand from this
market segment has resulted in a large selection of housing options, from
condominiums and coach homes to villas, single-family homes and custom-built
houses.

Quality of life remains a key issue to Southwest Florida's ongoing appeal.
Little wonder NAPLES WAS RANKED SIXTH AMONG THE "BEST SMALL PLACES TO LIVE
IN AMERICA"by Money Magazine and Bonita Springs was named one of "50
Fabulous Places to Raise Your Family" by Carter Press. Also, Bonita Springs
was identified by U.S. Housing Markets as the "5th hottest housing market in
the U.S" and the "13th best medium-sized Southern city" according to Money
Magazine.



http://naplesresidential.com/realestate.cfm

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How'd Snellville do?

"Harry Krause" wrote:

Jack Goff wrote:
Where is your place in Florida?


In NE Florida, where the summers are just about tolerable, and there is
a lovely fall and a short spring.


Is that imaginary house where you keep the imaginary lobsta boat? And the
imaginary Jag?

Giggle.

You're a hoot, Krause.

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
NOYB wrote:
Naples, Florida offers more than just luxury home sales...
The Naples-Bonita Springs area was ranked the HOTTEST HOUSING MARKET IN
THE COUNTRY for eight consecutive years (1999 to 2003),

Lots of turnover every day, what with the death rate, eh?

Number of sales were down the last half of 2004, but median house prices
went from the high $300's to the high $400's in just one year. I don't
think the death rate had anything to do with that.

"NOYB" wrote in message
...

Naples, Florida offers more than just luxury home sales...
The Naples-Bonita Springs area was ranked the HOTTEST HOUSING MARKET IN
THE
COUNTRY for eight consecutive years (1999 to 2003), according to U.S.
Housing Markets. Factors contributing to the first-place ranking of
Naples,
Florida home sales include a strong economy, an increase in jobs, a high
quality of life and very competitive pricing for housing. New
construction
has been driven both by the demand from people relocating to this area
as
well as part-time residents purchasing a second or third home in Naples.

The strong appreciation of single-family homes and condominiums in the
Naples-Bonita Springs area since 1990 has made a home for sale in naples
a
solid investment. In fact, Kiplinger's RANKED NAPLES #3 IN THE TOP METRO
MARKETS IN THE U.S. FOR PROJECTED INCREASE IN MEDIAN HOME, 1999-2010.
Although well known for its luxury home market, more and more families
have
discovered that Southwest Florida is quite affordable. Demand from this
market segment has resulted in a large selection of housing options,
from
condominiums and coach homes to villas, single-family homes and
custom-built
houses.

Quality of life remains a key issue to Southwest Florida's ongoing
appeal.
Little wonder NAPLES WAS RANKED SIXTH AMONG THE "BEST SMALL PLACES TO
LIVE
IN AMERICA"by Money Magazine and Bonita Springs was named one of "50
Fabulous Places to Raise Your Family" by Carter Press. Also, Bonita
Springs
was identified by U.S. Housing Markets as the "5th hottest housing
market in
the U.S" and the "13th best medium-sized Southern city" according to
Money
Magazine.



http://naplesresidential.com/realestate.cfm

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How'd Snellville do?


I'm sure the trailer parks are just fine ;-)

"Calif Bill" wrote in message
k.net...
Actually depends where you are in Oakland, Ca. The range is from the old
ghetto area, which has a lot of really nice victorians if they were fixed
up, to the Oakland Hills, where a tear down small nice house on a big lot
will go for the $1,000,000+ price. And if it is a nice non teardown size
house the price can be $2,000,000+! How many $2mm+ houses in Atlanta?
Bill


"Jack Goff" wrote in message
m...

"basskisser" wrote in message

Homes in Oakland, CA go for two or three times that. It is a crime
ridden hole, and is rife with homelessness, unemployment, murder, gang
activity, etc. So, to say that real estate prices define Nirvana, is
absurd.
...then...
http://www.cityrating.com/
Again for Fritz, Atlanta is a top ten city. Naples, FL isn't even
listed.
Forbes? Atlanta is #5. Naples, FL 53!

Ha! Atlanta *is* the definition of a crime ridden hell-hole. If you
compare it to Naples at www.bestplaces.com , Atlanta has 10 times the
crime
rate that Naples has.

Atlanta is a good place to visit, or to be *from*. That's it.



http://www.rereport.com/alc/main.html

Median average
Oakland $480,000 $545,395

Pleasanton $725,000 $860,916

http://jacksonville.bizjournals.com/...7/daily16.html
Gwinnett County varies from $82,500 to $91,000.


And Oakland is a dump in your estimation, basslicker?