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DSK wrote: this spring? milan ramaiya wrote: Preferably by spring or summer. My biggest constraint is price. Yep. That's everyone's biggest constraint! ... If I could afford it, sure, I'd get a 30-35 footer. Getting it isn't the problem. Florida has always been one of the nation's cheapest boat markets, now after the hurricanes it's a give-away market. Outfitting, maintenance, and overhead of simply keeping the thing, all go up exponentially as the boat gets bigger. So IMHO it's smart to focus on the smaller end of the scale. ... So far, I've seen the Sovereign 23, for $2000 which he said is in good condition, Well, sure. He's selling it, of course it's in *GREAT* condition! Here's the way to de-code boat-seller's description- Turn-key, better-than-new condition: the boat is currently afloat and it's major systems are somewhat functional. Great condition: The boat was floating last time the seller saw it. It needs new sails, new running rigging, minor re-wiring, and the engine can be got running if an expert mechanic tinkers with it for a couple hours. Professionally maintained: Seller owes lots of money to the boatyard and cannot reduce his asking price. Good condition: Boat is scruffy and needs refitting. Engine might run if you're really lucky, but needs overhaul. Has full safety equipment: Boat comes with two dry-rotted life jackets and a packet of out dated flares. Needs TLC: the boat may be floating, but there has been a family of pelicans camped out on it. Needs all new rigging and while you're at it, a new spar or two might be in order. The hull has only a few small holes, all wiring & plumbing needs to be replaced. A fixer-upper: you could get it floating if you rent a couple of gas-powered pumps and a work barge. Boat should have been landfilled years ago but seller abandoned it to marina and has now been tracked down by the state. Ha! Yeah, I know the drill. I bought my first motorcycle a few years ago. The guy said "It's runs great; I'm getting rid of it to get a bigger bike. This would be an excellent first bike." That translated to: "I'm an auctioneer, I've never ridden or worked on a bike in my life, but I'm going to get under this and try to 'fix' it. It only runs on two out of four cylinders, and has been completely patched with all kinds of different parts." The mechanic's exact words we "Cut your losses and sell it, this is worthless." Which is why I'm definitely taking my time and figuring things out first. ... an O'Day 27 for $4000, which is in okay condition, but the engine needs work (replacement?), and an O'Day 23 for $400, which is in bad shape, has no sails and no engine. (It's got some hurricane damage.) I'm considering buying the O'Day 23, and figure if I have a few months to work on it, I can feed some money into it over time, and make it really nice. If nothing else, I can turn around and sell it for much more, and look at something else. Hah! You migh look at the price of sails & running rigging before you try that. Also, flip through a West marine catalog and run up a little shopping list of equipment you'd consider necessary. Actually, that's what I was doing all day today: seeing how much new masts and sails cost. I don't think I'm going that route. The saddest, and most common, story is that of the guys who buy boats at a 'bargain' price and then discover that by the time they've done a little cleaning, painting, minor repairs, and added some equipment, that the boat is worth only a fraction of what they've got in it. Remember that the deal of a lifetime comes along about twice a week. I'd like the O'Day 27 but I don't exactly have $4000 in my bank account right now, and the Soveriegn is right in my budget, so it's looking better and better. Okay, I just found a '68 Star 23 for $1800. I'm gonna go look at that. I'm not too concerned about the size of the boat. I'm actually looking forward to some hairy experiences. Hell, that's what makes it interesting, and it'll make me a better sailer. Great attitude. The main suggeestion I have is to go to the library and read some books on boat inspection & repair. The one to start with is Ian Nicholson's 'Surveying Small Craft' which is dated but very thorough and written so that a layman can grasp it all. My concern would be that you come up with a boat that will not fold up on you in mid-adventure. Because of the nature of what you're looking for, most of the boats most suited to your adventure are not going to be on the internet. Instead, go to boat yards & sailing clubs and poke around. Talk to people on the docks. If you get invited aboard or to crew, go! It's a learning opportunity! Places to look http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/index.html.en http://www2.boats.com/listing/cache/...src=header_bfs pair of Seafarer 28s for cheap http://adcache.boattraderonline.com/6/7/5/77285675.htm http://adcache.boattraderonline.com/6/7/7/77252377.htm Morgan 27- a relatively fast and well-built boat http://adcache.boattraderonline.com/6/3/0/56175130.htm Here's a serious cruising vessel http://adcache.boattraderonline.com/6/7/9/75546979.htm Another good one, priced higher but sounds good http://adcache.boattraderonline.com/6/0/8/52080308.htm Remember that it's a buyer's market big-time. If the seller acts offended at an offer, laugh and wish him luck. Hope this helps. Fresh Breezes- Doug King Cool cool, thanks for all the info. |
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On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 12:34:07 -0500, DSK wrote:
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: I bow to your superior knowledge of sail boats. It's not just sailboats Like I said, I bow to your superior...yada, yada, yada. :) I sailed when I was a kid and owned a Towne class for club racing and I even sailed in a Marblehead to Bermuda race. It's really not my thing though. Was your Townie built by Lowell? I had to look it up in my logbook and it took a minute to find - yes, it was a Lowell and was refit by John Cunningham (of Cunningham Dory fame) after some damage in 1955. I believe they are still made by Lowell, but now in fiberglass. Somebody once told me that there are only a few, like 300 or so, of the wooden Townies left. I don't own the boat anymore, my brother does. Did you have one of those old fashioned spinnakers? I seem to remember that it had the rigging for it, but I don't believe that I ever used it. They are great boats, really classic. I've been to regattas up in New England where there were Towns racing, would like to try one. I have sailed an Indian which IIRC is the Town's big sister. http://www.doryclub.org/townclass/tchistory.htm Never sailed the Indian, but I have sailed a 101, bunch of different J class boats, two different 12 meter trial Cup boats (one of which was built in Marblehead at the Lower Hood shipyard) and one February afternoon in 15 mph wind and temps down around 15, a Frostbite race which was the most miserable experience I've ever had. :) Later, Tom |
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milan ramaiya wrote:
Ha! Yeah, I know the drill. I bought my first motorcycle a few years ago. The guy said "It's runs great; I'm getting rid of it to get a bigger bike. This would be an excellent first bike." That translated to: "I'm an auctioneer, I've never ridden or worked on a bike in my life, but I'm going to get under this and try to 'fix' it. It only runs on two out of four cylinders, and has been completely patched with all kinds of different parts." The mechanic's exact words we "Cut your losses and sell it, this is worthless." I had a similar experience except in my case I traded an amplifier for the bike. I got revenge by encouraging the trader to overload the amp and blow it Which is why I'm definitely taking my time and figuring things out first. Smart move. BTW a forum where sailing cruisers are more common is "rec.boats.cruising" which I assume you can get to if you can get here. Fresh Breezes- Doug King |
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Was your Townie built by Lowell?
Short Wave Sportfishing wrote: I had to look it up in my logbook and it took a minute to find - yes, it was a Lowell and was refit by John Cunningham (of Cunningham Dory fame) after some damage in 1955. I believe they are still made by Lowell, but now in fiberglass. Somebody once told me that there are only a few, like 300 or so, of the wooden Townies left. I'd call that a lot among small old one-designs. A lot of classes never had that many boats built in the first place! But a lot of them weren't as nice, either. I don't own the boat anymore, my brother does. So you can still sail it if you ever want to? Never sailed the Indian, but I have sailed a 101, bunch of different J class boats, two different 12 meter trial Cup boats (one of which was built in Marblehead at the Lower Hood shipyard) and one February afternoon in 15 mph wind and temps down around 15, a Frostbite race which was the most miserable experience I've ever had. :) Yep... you have to be obsessed beyond all reason to enjoy frostbiting... I love it because the wind is usually better and people don't start tacking duels out of boredom... also I have three or four good wetsuits, so freezing isn't a problem Fresh Breezes- Doug King |
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Gerald Tunches Corpus Christi, Texas |
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you can e-mail me at Thanks, Gerald |
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I just got a sovereign 23. Only sailed it a few times. It quick in a strong breeze, doesn't point that well. It's big for a 23 footer. Has a nice feel.
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