"Greg" wrote in message
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"Jack Dale" wrote in message
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On Fri, 24 Dec 2004 14:51:54 -0500, "Paul Schilter"
paulschilter@comcast dot net wrote:

Tuuk,
From what I've read, home schooler's excel above the other students.
I'm
sure some parents are better at this than others but the figures said
they
for the most part are doing very well.
Paul

I retired from teaching in the public system 18 months ago. I am
fully supportive of home schooling. Too many parents treat public
education as cheap babysitting.

But under no circumstances should home schoolers ask for public
support in the form of resources or assistance from the public system.
If you have principles, stick with them.

The principle of having paid for something (taxes), and getting at least a
tiny return on the investment.
Greg,
Precisely correct. Now, if they would let home schoolers opt out of paying
into the system then I would agree that they should not seek help from it.

--AG

Jack Dale wrote:
On Fri, 24 Dec 2004 14:51:54 -0500, "Paul Schilter"
paulschilter@comcast dot net wrote:


Tuuk,
From what I've read, home schooler's excel above the other students. I'm
sure some parents are better at this than others but the figures said they
for the most part are doing very well.
Paul


I retired from teaching in the public system 18 months ago. I am
fully supportive of home schooling. Too many parents treat public
education as cheap babysitting.

But under no circumstances should home schoolers ask for public
support in the form of resources or assistance from the public system.
If you have principles, stick with them.

Gee Jack; you see you are or at least were, part of the problem; try to
understand teachers are just govt. employees paid to teach academic
subjects. Your personal private views are your personal private views be
they tax or war or whatever, at work with other peoples' impressionable
kids keep them to yourself.

All tax payers are entitled to have their share of the funds for
educating their children no matter how they choose to achieve it
correspondence, private topped up with extra funds or the public system.
It's all about free choice not union mandated brain washing.

K

There are many boaters with children onboard, the children always seem more
mature and capable than others.
I am wondering if the kids would stay more interested in a Bahamas trip than
a US trip. There is some stretches of open water, but you can do the whole
country without any sections over 50 miles.
In the US, you can get wireless high speed internet from cell phone
companies. Satellite internet has so few minutes/$ that it is not practical
for web surfing. (Globalstar is $100/month for 400 minutes) That said, of
all the kids I have met aboard, none had onboard internet.
If you have not found your boat yet, stay away from planing hull
powerboats, the fuel use is massive (MPG=.5 to 1 MPG), then the resulting
range is short. Some gas powered 30' boats have a total range of only 70
miles!
Lee Haefele
Nauticat 33 Motorsailer, Alesto, currently anchored Salinas, PR
"K. Smith" wrote in message
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Jack Dale wrote:
On Fri, 24 Dec 2004 14:51:54 -0500, "Paul Schilter"
paulschilter@comcast dot net wrote:


Tuuk,
From what I've read, home schooler's excel above the other students.
I'm sure some parents are better at this than others but the figures
said they for the most part are doing very well.
Paul

On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 14:44:04 -0600, Tamaroak
wrote:

My bride and I are considering taking a year off and doing the Great
Circle Route/Loop, a mere 5000 miles around the east coast, the Erie
Canal and the Tenn-Tom. We would take our boys who will be 14 and 15 and
home schooling them on the boat, using a prepared curriculum and a
satellite Internet connection.

Does anyone out there have any experience in this type of adventure?

Seriously, and despite my initial silly comment, it's up to you to
judge whether this will work for you or not. If your kids are
reasonably disciplined, then it should work fine. On the other hand,
they are boys of that "certain" age which can be problematic. If they
share the same interests as you, then it will work most of the time -
if they don't, the chances are that you will not have a good time.

If you feel competent enough to guide them through the course work,
there are a lot of resources out on the web and other places for home
schooling.

One last comment - if this is something that you have wanted to do and
you have some resistance to the idea from the kids, think a little
more about the trip.

Good luck.

Later,

Tom

On Sun, 26 Dec 2004 04:33:36 GMT, Jack Dale
wrote:

On Fri, 24 Dec 2004 14:51:54 -0500, "Paul Schilter"
paulschilter@comcast dot net wrote:

Tuuk,
From what I've read, home schooler's excel above the other students. I'm
sure some parents are better at this than others but the figures said they
for the most part are doing very well.
Paul

I retired from teaching in the public system 18 months ago. I am
fully supportive of home schooling. Too many parents treat public
education as cheap babysitting.

But under no circumstances should home schoolers ask for public
support in the form of resources or assistance from the public system.
If you have principles, stick with them.

If they pay taxes, they are invested in the resource and as such have
access to the same resources as any other citizen.

This town's home schoolers make regular use of our system for things
like music instruction, special needs, atheistic and social functions.

I have no problem with that.

Later,

Tom

On Sun, 26 Dec 2004 06:42:08 GMT, "Alan Gomes" wrote:


"Greg" wrote in message
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"Jack Dale" wrote in message
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On Fri, 24 Dec 2004 14:51:54 -0500, "Paul Schilter"
paulschilter@comcast dot net wrote:

Tuuk,
From what I've read, home schooler's excel above the other students.
I'm
sure some parents are better at this than others but the figures said
they
for the most part are doing very well.
Paul

I retired from teaching in the public system 18 months ago. I am
fully supportive of home schooling. Too many parents treat public
education as cheap babysitting.

But under no circumstances should home schoolers ask for public
support in the form of resources or assistance from the public system.
If you have principles, stick with them.

The principle of having paid for something (taxes), and getting at least a
tiny return on the investment.
Greg,
Precisely correct. Now, if they would let home schoolers opt out of paying
into the system then I would agree that they should not seek help from it.

Ah, but you don't take it far enough. If you wish not to pay your
portion of taxes for public schools, then home schooling parents
should be required to pay for testing, counseling, athletics and etc.

Unless you live in a cave that is. In which case, why bother with
schooling. :)

Later,

Tom

Why not? We paid our taxes for that service already? Why shouldn't home
schoolers get some of what they paid for?

--


Keith
__
Some people are like Slinkies: not really good for anything, but you still
can't help but smile when you see one tumble down the stairs.

"Jack Dale" wrote in message
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But under no circumstances should home schoolers ask for public
support in the form of resources or assistance from the public system.
If you have principles, stick with them.

Tuuk wrote:

Are you nuts??

Ah...mirror, morror anyone?

See, it is educators like you that are the reason why our students here in
the west are failing or far behind students globally.

No, it is lack of adequate parenting that causes the majority of the
problem, IMO. You apparently think the existence of the public school
system is a valid basis on which parents can abdicate responsibility for
child rearing. Home education *in addition to* that provided by the
public, or private, education system, has *always* been a prerequiste
for first rate education. West or East.

And it is morons like
Harry who are the reason why our workers are failing or far behind
employment globally. Are you and harry brothers?

I didn't see a "Harry" in the thread, but ad hominem vitriol as
certainly pursuasive in informed debate...

Jack,, Give your head a shake.

"Physician, heal thyself"

Don't tell me Jack,, you were an economics professor?? lol,,

Parents should have better control on who is teaching their children, they
should see a police record, employment record (if there is one) resume, and
be allowed to interview the teachers who have influence on their children.
They do in many other countries,,, lol,,, and their students do circles
around the western student.

Yes, and parent should get involved (as in PARTICIPATE, not spectate) in
their kids education! Few parents I encounter even know the names of
their children's teachers. Schools, and school boards, respond to the
demands of the community (read 'parents'), and unfortunately, those
demands are too often for a baby-sitting service that passes children
from grade to grade irrespective of their level of attainment. Let me
ask you a couple of questions:

1. Do you think teachers (or professors for that matter) *like* to
reward students for substandard performance?
2. Do you think teachers (or professors for that matter) *like* to to
have students so disruptive that the learning environment for other
students is degraded, without having the disciplinary tools available to
address, or even ameliorate, the situation (small clue here...parents
don't *like* other people to discipline their unruly progeny)?
3. Do you think the responsibility for teaching respect, courtesy, and
discipline lies with the public school teacher (i.e. instead of with the
parents, as it has been since time immemorial)?

If you answered "yes" to any of those questions, I'll be happy to mail
you a quarter should you like to purchase a clue.


Yes,, thanks for proving my point anyway there Jack,,, you teachers have
failed both the taxpayer and the student and their future here in the west.

Once again, you miss the point. Parents have the responsibility for
preparing their children *for* school, monitoring their performance *at*
school (P.T.A., parent-teacher conferences, etc.), and changing the
educational system when it isn't functioning properly. We live in a
democracy in the US, and inherent in the democratic process is both
personal and social responsibility. Vote out the school board, the
system *will* change. Sit back and carp on newsgroups on the other hand,
and...oh, that's right, nothing happens. Get it?


You know that the west is heading for third world status,, they just said so
on the news as over 95% of all Christmas presents purchased in the west were
manufactured offshore. Ever heard of the trade deficit?

Ever heard of greed? We (in the US) live in the short term. We
artifically elevate our standard of living (on the cheap labor of third
world countries, to a large extent) without thought to long term
consequences. That is a serious social/cultural issue we certainly need
to address.

Your postulate, however, that (and I'm paraphrasing of course) if our
children were better educated, *we* would be making the clothes, shoes,
toys, TV's, VCR's, DVD players, etc. that comprise the bulk of that
"95%", is ludicrous on its face. These are produced by unskilled, or
semi-skilled workers (as commonly defined), where the cost per unit
rules the day (almost entirely a function of living standard), NOT the
education level of the workforce.

Sorry to snatch the easy bone from your jaws, but no, I'm not a teacher
(never have been, not married to one). I was, however, lucky enough to
have been raised by parents and grandparents who believed in education,
and their rearing techniques reflected it. So I know adequate parenting
when I see it, even seeing so rarely.

And to those whining about a tax rebate for home schooling, how about
for those who have no children? Shall I get a rebate for the 30 years
I've been paying property taxes for schools I'm not using? Or the roads
*I* don't personally drive on, or the Fire Department *I've* never
personally used, or...get the point? Public education, as with all
social services, benefits *society as a whole* when done properly. We
all reap the benefits, we all pay the costs. We all have a
responsibility to get out and do something when it's not done properly.
Look at voter turnout and tell me how involved people are in society.

Keith Hughes

I have met (US and other) families in the Philippines and the Pacific
Islands who have home schooled out of necessity (lack of comprehensive
western education). We considered it while living in the Philippines for 8
years with 3 school age children but opted for an international school
(another story).

More recently I had friends who set off to the So. Pacific with a
preschooler, with plans to use the Calvet School course material. However,
prior to their departure, I observed that this child was going to be a hand
full. I hesitate to use the term "soiled" but IMHO, could have used a firm
hand in a structured school enviornment. The parents had yet to demonstrate
this "firm hand".

In the subsequent years I read many emails that express their frustration in
dealing with this childs schooling.. Since I haven't heard of this problems
in the last year, I'm assuming (if I should) that the problems have been
resolved.

Jeff, the age of your sons is not the ideal age for removing them from their
"good ole school days" routine and a great deal will depend upon how
excepting they are of your plans. And how involved. I know you have cruised
with them for the past couple of summers and can only assume that they
enjoyed this more than they might have enjoy the routine summer activities
back home.

Having met you a couple years ago, I was left with the impression that you
would make an excellent mentor and teacher and I have no doubt that all
would benefit from your proposed adventure.

Best regards (and hope to share a few anchorages this summer).

Steve
s/v Good Intentions

On Fri, 24 Dec 2004 14:51:54 -0500, "Paul Schilter"
paulschilter@comcast dot net wrote:

Tuuk,
From what I've read, home schooler's excel above the other students. I'm
sure some parents are better at this than others but the figures said they
for the most part are doing very well.
Paul

I'd be interested in what you've read.

John H

On the 'PocoLoco' out of Deale, MD,
on the beautiful Chesapeake Bay!

"Divide each difficulty into as many parts as is feasible and necessary to resolve it."
Rene Descartes