"Matt Lang" wrote in message
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Guys,

I am trying to find out how much more (or less) oil a 2 stroke uses
compared to a 4 stroke.

Thus, I need to know about your 4 stroke motor (inboard or outboard):

- Horsepower, brand
- amount of oil it takes for an oil change (incl filter)
- how often do you change your oil (how many hours)
- how often does the manufacturer recommend you change the oil?
- Does your motor burn or lose oil? Do you have to top up in between
oil changes?

Thanks for your help!

Matt

Don't have specs in front of me, so I can only answer the last question
regarding my Johnson 1996 15 hp 4 stroke (model J15FREDR). It consumes
NO
oil between April and November. Zero. I change it twice during that time
period, and based on memory, that's about twice as often as OMC
recommends.


Ok How much oil do you need for an oil change?

Matt

What's the difference? :-) I mean, are you collecting this information in
order to make a purchase decision? Or, what?

On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 15:07:33 GMT, "Doug Kanter"
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"Matt Lang" wrote in message
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"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
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"Matt Lang" wrote in message
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Guys,

I am trying to find out how much more (or less) oil a 2 stroke uses
compared to a 4 stroke.

Thus, I need to know about your 4 stroke motor (inboard or outboard):

- Horsepower, brand
- amount of oil it takes for an oil change (incl filter)
- how often do you change your oil (how many hours)
- how often does the manufacturer recommend you change the oil?
- Does your motor burn or lose oil? Do you have to top up in between
oil changes?

Don't have specs in front of me, so I can only answer the last question
regarding my Johnson 1996 15 hp 4 stroke (model J15FREDR). It consumes
NO
oil between April and November. Zero. I change it twice during that time
period, and based on memory, that's about twice as often as OMC
recommends.

Ok How much oil do you need for an oil change?

What's the difference? :-) I mean, are you collecting this information in
order to make a purchase decision? Or, what?

Matt is a spy for Halliburton.

Later,

Tom
-----------
"Angling may be said to be so
like the mathematics that it
can never be fully learnt..."

Izaak Walton "The Compleat Angler", 1653

What's the difference? :-) I mean, are you collecting this information in
order to make a purchase decision? Or, what?

Matt is a spy for Halliburton.

Later,

Tom


Dont tell them! Not everybody needs to know

Ok How much oil do you need for an oil change?

Matt

What's the difference? :-) I mean, are you collecting this information in
order to make a purchase decision? Or, what?

I have 200 HP 2 stroke and just want to feel better by knowing how
much oil a 4stroke uses

Matt

Look here for a chart 2 stroke vs. 4 stroke

http://img56.exs.cx/img56/2093/oil.jpg

On 19 Nov 2004 20:58:36 -0800, (Matt Lang) wrote:


Ok How much oil do you need for an oil change?

Matt

What's the difference? :-) I mean, are you collecting this information in
order to make a purchase decision? Or, what?

I have 200 HP 2 stroke and just want to feel better by knowing how
much oil a 4stroke uses

Stick with the two stroke.

TWO STROKES RULE!!!!

Look here for a chart 2 stroke vs. 4 stroke

http://img56.exs.cx/img56/2093/oil.jpg

I know I'm kind of slow, but what exactly is that chart supposed to
illustrate?

Later,

Tom

Stick with the two stroke.

TWO STROKES RULE!!!!

Dont have to tell me, I have 200 s troke HP powering my boat

Look here for a chart 2 stroke vs. 4 stroke

http://img56.exs.cx/img56/2093/oil.jpg

I know I'm kind of slow, but what exactly is that chart supposed to
illustrate?

it shows that if you use your motor very little (which you shouldnt!)
you will have used less oil with the 2 stroke as you had with the 4
stroke.

It also shows that about 55h run time a 2 stroke will use AS MUCH oil
as a 4 stroke NOT MORE. This is based on 200 HP Merc optimax vs 200
HP Merc verado and a few other assumptions.

It shows a (who makes them now?) ETect which uses almost under all
circumstances less oil as a 4 stroke.

This is all based at 4250 ROM average and does not show anything else
like environmental or cost issues.

I looked into this to find out if I have to feel sorry for buying a 2
stroke and burning ****loads of oil or if there is little difference.

I am happy with my decission to get the DFI

Matt

http://img56.exs.cx/img56/2093/oil.jpg


There is something seriously flawed with this chart. To start with they are
changing ooil at 50 hours. My merc says 100 hours.
The other thing is are they really saying a 200 hp 2s engine can run 100 hours
on 20 quarts of oil? That's 5 gallons and even at 100:1 that is only 5 gallons
of fuel per hour. Are these hours being put on at idle speed? I know a lot of
guys with 200s and they would kill to get 5 GPH at any decent cruise speed. I
also think these motors use more like 50:1 at high speed. The 100:1 is at idle.
I have a neighbor with an Optimax. I will ask him how long a gallon of oil
lasts him. I know I gave him 2 gallons when I bought my 4 stroke and he didn't
act like it was a lifetime supply.

On 21 Nov 2004 04:49:52 GMT, (Greg) wrote:

http://img56.exs.cx/img56/2093/oil.jpg


There is something seriously flawed with this chart. To start with they are
changing ooil at 50 hours. My merc says 100 hours.
The other thing is are they really saying a 200 hp 2s engine can run 100 hours
on 20 quarts of oil? That's 5 gallons and even at 100:1 that is only 5 gallons
of fuel per hour. Are these hours being put on at idle speed? I know a lot of
guys with 200s and they would kill to get 5 GPH at any decent cruise speed. I
also think these motors use more like 50:1 at high speed. The 100:1 is at idle.
I have a neighbor with an Optimax. I will ask him how long a gallon of oil
lasts him. I know I gave him 2 gallons when I bought my 4 stroke and he didn't
act like it was a lifetime supply.

My Contender, at cruise with FICHT 225s, uses about 8 Gph per engine
averaged after the trip which accounts for idle time. I rarely run
WOT. At idle or trolling speeds, 5 Gph isn't unheard of.

My Ranger which has a FICHT 200 gets 5 Gph all round - it has never
varied from day one.

Later,

Tom

(Greg) wrote in message ...
http://img56.exs.cx/img56/2093/oil.jpg


There is something seriously flawed with this chart. To start with they are
changing ooil at 50 hours. My merc says 100 hours.

I didnt know that .. that would indeed offset this a little ...

The other thing is are they really saying a 200 hp 2s engine can run 100 hours
on 20 quarts of oil? That's 5 gallons and even at 100:1 that is only 5 gallons
of fuel per hour. Are these hours being put on at idle speed? I know a lot of

The 2 stroke is posted at 4250 RPM and my 200 HP 2 stroke gets 5.8 MPG
at cruise. The oils is based on that and an average of 65:1

guys with 200s and they would kill to get 5 GPH at any decent cruise speed. I
also think these motors use more like 50:1 at high speed. The 100:1 is at idle.

I get 4.8 US gallon per hour at cruise at 28 MPH ... 200 2 stroke HP !

I have a neighbor with an Optimax. I will ask him how long a gallon of oil
lasts him. I know I gave him 2 gallons when I bought my 4 stroke and he didn't
act like it was a lifetime supply.

Mine uses .3l per hour at cruise ... whu knows how many gallosn this
are.

Dont forget this chart isnt religion, I just put it together for
myself to see how bad the oil use really is.. Take it for that and not
more.

Matt

On 20 Nov 2004 19:20:52 -0800, (Matt Lang) wrote:


Stick with the two stroke.

TWO STROKES RULE!!!!

Dont have to tell me, I have 200 s troke HP powering my boat

Look here for a chart 2 stroke vs. 4 stroke

http://img56.exs.cx/img56/2093/oil.jpg

I know I'm kind of slow, but what exactly is that chart supposed to
illustrate?

it shows that if you use your motor very little (which you shouldnt!)
you will have used less oil with the 2 stroke as you had with the 4
stroke.

It also shows that about 55h run time a 2 stroke will use AS MUCH oil
as a 4 stroke NOT MORE. This is based on 200 HP Merc optimax vs 200
HP Merc verado and a few other assumptions.

It shows a (who makes them now?) ETect which uses almost under all
circumstances less oil as a 4 stroke.

This is all based at 4250 ROM average and does not show anything else
like environmental or cost issues.

I looked into this to find out if I have to feel sorry for buying a 2
stroke and burning ****loads of oil or if there is little difference.

I am happy with my decission to get the DFI

Thanks - I wasn't sure that all that was. It was pretty though. :)

I actually had to be talked into my first FICHT on the Ranger, but
ever since, I'm convinced.

Later,

Tom