HAS ANYONE TRIED ANY TYPE OF FUEL TREATMENTS
OR WHAT IS THE BEST TO USE?
WHAT ABOUT THAT Z-MAX 2 OR 4 CYCLE FUEL TREATMENT ?
I'VE USED SOME FUEL TREATMENTS A FEW TIMES A YEAR.
I HAVE A 70 HP JOHNSON . RUNS GREAT . JUST DON'T KNOW IF ITS WORTH IT OR
NOT?

Yes, if you let your boat sit for a month or two at a time you should always
use Sta-Bil fuel treatment. Sta-Bil will prevent the fuel from oxidizing and
depositing varnish throughout your fuel system and extend the fuel from a
typical 2 months to as much as 15 months.

I would stay away from any performance type, or fuel dryer additives.

"Joe" wrote in message . ..
HAS ANYONE TRIED ANY TYPE OF FUEL TREATMENTS
OR WHAT IS THE BEST TO USE?
WHAT ABOUT THAT Z-MAX 2 OR 4 CYCLE FUEL TREATMENT ?
I'VE USED SOME FUEL TREATMENTS A FEW TIMES A YEAR.
I HAVE A 70 HP JOHNSON . RUNS GREAT . JUST DON'T KNOW IF ITS WORTH IT OR
NOT?

Yes, if you let your boat sit for a month or two at a time you should always
use Sta-Bil fuel treatment. Sta-Bil will prevent the fuel from oxidizing and
depositing varnish throughout your fuel system and extend the fuel from a
typical 2 months to as much as 15 months.

I would stay away from any performance type, or fuel dryer additives.

Z-Max is not a fuel stabilizer. As such, and the statement that he
uses fuel "treatments" a few times a year, leads one to believe that
he is not talking about stabilizers.

HAS ANYONE TRIED ANY TYPE OF FUEL TREATMENTS
OR WHAT IS THE BEST TO USE?
WHAT ABOUT THAT Z-MAX 2 OR 4 CYCLE FUEL TREATMENT ?
I'VE USED SOME FUEL TREATMENTS A FEW TIMES A YEAR.
I HAVE A 70 HP JOHNSON . RUNS GREAT . JUST DON'T KNOW IF ITS WORTH IT
OR
NOT?

Yes, if you let your boat sit for a month or two at a time you should
always
use Sta-Bil fuel treatment. Sta-Bil will prevent the fuel from oxidizing
and
depositing varnish throughout your fuel system and extend the fuel from
a
typical 2 months to as much as 15 months.

I would stay away from any performance type, or fuel dryer additives.

Z-Max is not a fuel stabilizer. As such, and the statement that he
uses fuel "treatments" a few times a year, leads one to believe that
he is not talking about stabilizers.

Enjoy buttsniffing do ya? Listen close, first sentence:

"Has anyone tried ANY type of FUEL TREATMENTS OR what is the best to use"
My answer was directed at that question, O' ignorant one.
Maybe he wasn't aware of fuel stabilizers, now he is. Much more of an
informative post than "No. Waste of money"

"Joe" wrote in message .. .
HAS ANYONE TRIED ANY TYPE OF FUEL TREATMENTS
OR WHAT IS THE BEST TO USE?
WHAT ABOUT THAT Z-MAX 2 OR 4 CYCLE FUEL TREATMENT ?
I'VE USED SOME FUEL TREATMENTS A FEW TIMES A YEAR.
I HAVE A 70 HP JOHNSON . RUNS GREAT . JUST DON'T KNOW IF ITS WORTH IT
OR
NOT?

Yes, if you let your boat sit for a month or two at a time you should
always
use Sta-Bil fuel treatment. Sta-Bil will prevent the fuel from oxidizing
and
depositing varnish throughout your fuel system and extend the fuel from
a
typical 2 months to as much as 15 months.

I would stay away from any performance type, or fuel dryer additives.

Z-Max is not a fuel stabilizer. As such, and the statement that he
uses fuel "treatments" a few times a year, leads one to believe that
he is not talking about stabilizers.

Enjoy buttsniffing do ya? Listen close, first sentence:

"Has anyone tried ANY type of FUEL TREATMENTS OR what is the best to use"
My answer was directed at that question, O' ignorant one.
Maybe he wasn't aware of fuel stabilizers, now he is. Much more of an
informative post than "No. Waste of money"

Here, dolt, read this and tell me that you think fuel additives, such
as Z-Max are worth there money.

Currently, the most common and popular oil additives on the market are
those that contain PTFE powders suspended in a regular,
over-the-counter type, 50-rated petroleum or synthetic engine oil.
PTFE is the common abbreviation used for Polytetrafloeraethylene, more
commonly known by the trade name "Teflon," which is a registered
trademark of the DuPont Chemical Corporation. Among those oil
additives we have identified as containing PTFE a Slick 50, Liquid
Ring, Lubrilon, Microlon, Matrix, Petrolon (same company as Slick 50),
QMl, and T-Plus (K-Mart). There are probably many more names in use on
many more products using PTFE. We have found that oil additive makers
like to market their products under a multitude of "private brand"
names.
While some of these products may contain other additives in addition
to PTFE, all seem to rely on the PTFE as their primary active
ingredient and all, without exception, do not list what other
ingredients they may contain.

Though they have gained rather wide acceptance among the motoring
public, oil additives containing PTFE have also garnered their share
of critics among experts in the field of lubrication. By far the most
damning testimonial against these products originally came from the
DuPont Chemical Corporation, inventor of PTFE and holder of the
patents and trademarks for Teflon. In a statement issued about ten
years ago, DuPont's Fluoropolymers Division Product Specialist, J.F.
Imbalzano said, "Teflon is not useful as an ingredient in oil
additives or oils used for internal combustion engines."

At the time, DuPont threatened legal action against anyone who used
the name "Teflon" on any oil product destined for use in an internal
combustion engine, and refused to sell its PTFE powders to any one who
intended to use them for such purposes.

After a flurry of lawsuits from oil additive makers, claiming DuPont
could not prove that PTFE was harmful to engines, DuPont was forced to
once again begin selling their PTFE to the additive producers. The
additive makers like to claim this is some kind of "proof' that their
products work, when in fact it is nothing more than proof that the
American legal ethic of "innocent until proven guilty" is still alive
and well. The decision against DuPont involved what is called
"restraint of trade." You can't refuse to sell a product to someone
just because there is a possibility they might use it for a purpose
other than what you intended it for.

It should be noted that DuPont's official position on the use of PTFE
in engine oils remains carefully aloof and noncommittal, for obvious
legal reasons. DuPont states that though they sell PTFE to oil
additive producers, they have "no proof of the validity of the
additive makers' claims." They further state that they have "no
knowledge of any advantage gained through the use of PTFE in engine
oil."

Fear of potential lawsuits for possible misrepresentation of a product
seem to run much higher among those with the most to lose.

After DuPont's decision and attempt to halt the use of PTFE in engine
oils, several of the oil additive companies simply went elsewhere for
their PTFE powders, such as purchasing them in other countries. In
some cases, they disguise or hype their PTFE as being something
different or special by listing it under one of their own tradenames.
That doesn't change the fact that it is still PTFE.

In addition, there is some evidence that certain supplies of PTFE
powders (from manufacturers other than DuPont) are of a cruder version
than the original, made with larger sized flakes that are more likely
to "settle out" in your oil or clog up your filters. One fairly good
indication that a product contains this kind of PTFE is if the
instructions for its use advise you to "shake well before using." It
only stands to reason that if the manufacturer knows the solids in his
product will settle to the bottom of a container while sitting on a
shelf, the same thing is going to hap pen inside your engine when it
is left idle for any period of time.

The problem with putting PTFE in your oil, as explained to us by
several industry experts, is that PTFE is a solid. The additive makers
claim this solid "coats" the moving parts in an engine (though that is
far from being scientifically proven). Slick 50 is currently both the
most aggressive advertiser and the most popular seller, with claims of
over 14 million treatments sold. However, such solids seem even more
inclined to coat non-moving parts, like oil passages and filters.
After all, if it can build up under the pressures and friction exerted
on a cylinder wall, then it stands to reason it should build up even
better in places with low pressures and virtually no friction.

This conclusion seems to be borne out by tests on oil additives
containing PTFE conducted by the NASA Lewis Research Center, which
said in their report, "In the types of bearing surface contact we have
looked at, we have seen no benefit. In some cases we have seen
detrimental effect. The solids in the oil tend to accumulate at inlets
and act as a dam, which simply blocks the oil from entering. Instead
of helping, it is actually depriving parts of lubricant."

Remember, PTFE in oil additives is a suspended solid. Now think about
why you have an oil filter on your engine. To remove suspended solids,
right? Right. Therefore it would seem to follow that if your oil
filter is doing its job, it will collect as much of the PTFE as
possible, as quickly as possible. This can result in a clogged oil
filter and decreased oil pres sure throughout your engine.

In response to our inquiries about this sort of problem, several of
the PTFE pushers responded that their particulates were of a
sub-micron size, capable of passing through an ordinary oil filter
unrestricted. This certainly sounds good, and may in some cases
actually be true, but it makes little difference when you know the
rest of the story. You see, PTFE has other qualities besides being a
friction reducer: It expands radically when exposed to heat. So even
if those particles are small enough to pass through your filter when
you purchase them, they very well may not be when your engine reaches
normal operating temperature.

Here again, the scientific evidence seems to support this, as in tests
conducted by researchers at the University of Utah Engineering
Experiment Station involving Petrolon additive with PTFE.

snip

Enjoy buttsniffing do ya? Listen close, first sentence:

"Has anyone tried ANY type of FUEL TREATMENTS OR what is the best to
use"
My answer was directed at that question, O' ignorant one.
Maybe he wasn't aware of fuel stabilizers, now he is. Much more of an
informative post than "No. Waste of money"

Heehee, what a little twit you are. Just like Skipper, cut and paste
so that the original post is not taken in context. It must be pure
hell being such a shriveled up twit that you need to try to show your
ass in a newsgroup.
The post said, IN IT'S ENTIRETY:

HAS ANYONE TRIED ANY TYPE OF FUEL TREATMENTS
OR WHAT IS THE BEST TO USE?
WHAT ABOUT THAT Z-MAX 2 OR 4 CYCLE FUEL TREATMENT ?
I'VE USED SOME FUEL TREATMENTS A FEW TIMES A YEAR.

Not out of context jerkoff, he asked 2 questions, my response to #1 was to
recommend Sta-Bil if the boat was stored more than a month or two. (key on
"any type of fuel treatment")

To his second question my response was that I would stay away from any
performance or fuel drying additives.

Now, do you dispute either of my statements?

Now, I contend that Z-MAX or any other fuel treatment that you use "a
few times a year" aren't worth wasting money on. Sta-Bil is not a
treatment that is used "a few times a year".

Really? I myself used it at least 4 times last year and know people that use
it more than me.
With a pre-mix 2 stroke you should add the appropriate amount whenever your
boat sits more than a month.
Could you go longer, sure, but it is extremely cheap insurance and works
wonderfully. I have not had to rebuild my cabs in over 6 years.


PS: Still waiting for my history lesson on judicial nominee filibusters.

I agree with noah. All of the articles I've read and knowledgeable mechanics
I've talk to say the same. Stabilizer, yes, but nothing else unless you have
some specific problem you are trying to remedy.


"noah" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 09 Jul 2003 05:46:42 GMT, "donny sharp"
wrote:

HAS ANYONE TRIED ANY TYPE OF FUEL TREATMENTS
OR WHAT IS THE BEST TO USE?
WHAT ABOUT THAT Z-MAX 2 OR 4 CYCLE FUEL TREATMENT ?
I'VE USED SOME FUEL TREATMENTS A FEW TIMES A YEAR.
I HAVE A 70 HP JOHNSON . RUNS GREAT . JUST DON'T KNOW IF ITS WORTH IT OR
NOT?


donny- personally I wouldn't use any additive except stabilizer.
Use a Premium grade of fuel.
Just my opinion.
noah

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