Bush now , whatever
he may, or may not have done in the past is a committed christian who
has changed his life.

Only if you accept the Evangelical standard that declares no matter *what*
you
do in your personal life, as long as you have faith in Jesus you are saved.


So he hasn't changed is what you are saying. As far as I can see he
has. Do you have current or even recent *evidence* to the contrary,
has he been porking interns in the White House, for instance

JH

If Bush hadn't changed his life, he'd be using his nose for a vaccum hose while
he followed a trail of pixie dust across the Great Seal on the oval office
floor.

I didn't say he hadn't changed.
I did say that he is hardly a "committed Christian" unless you use a definition
that says no matter what you do in your personal life you're saved by
professing belief in Jesus.

On 22 Sep 2004 23:40:51 GMT, (Gould 0738) wrote:

Bush now , whatever
he may, or may not have done in the past is a committed christian who
has changed his life.

Only if you accept the Evangelical standard that declares no matter *what*
you
do in your personal life, as long as you have faith in Jesus you are saved.


So he hasn't changed is what you are saying. As far as I can see he
has. Do you have current or even recent *evidence* to the contrary,
has he been porking interns in the White House, for instance

JH

If Bush hadn't changed his life, he'd be using his nose for a vaccum hose while
he followed a trail of pixie dust across the Great Seal on the oval office
floor.

I didn't say he hadn't changed.
I did say that he is hardly a "committed Christian" unless you use a definition
that says no matter what you do in your personal life you're saved by
professing belief in Jesus.


I'm not evagelical, far from it, but I think the Biblical reference is
John 3:16

JH

I'm not evagelical, far from it, but I think the Biblical reference is
John 3:16

JH

Not impressed. You can prove *anything* by quoting two or three verses from the
Bible. Hundreds of thousands, maybe millions, have died in wars fought over the
question, "Do my two out-of-context verses or my interpretation trump your two
out-of-context verses or interpretation?"

As I said, if how one conducts their personal affairs and relates to other
people is of no importance, Bush can proclaim himself a mighty Christian
indeed.