"Gould 0738" wrote in message
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Kerry was forced into going to Viet Nam like most of the people over
there.
He did everything he could think of to get out of Viet Nam, like most of
those drafted.

Kerry volunteered.


Unlike most draftee's, he succeeded in getting out in 4
months.

He wasn't a draftee.
He served 16 months in Viet Nam. One 12-month tour and 4 months of a
second
tour. How many people volunteered for a second tour or served any portion
of
one?

The log book of the USS Gridely has been checked and it was in SEA for five
weeks during Kerry's 12 month tour on the ship. So, Kerry did not serve 16
monts in country.


Just goes to prove that if enough people repeat the same lies over and
over,
pretty soon a great number of folks begin to believethem.

It appears that you are falling into the repeating of lies.



But don't ask for a deferment to go to Paris, file for 4 purple hearts
after
receiving minor cuts and then claim to be a war hero.

Wasn't it three purple hearts? And a Bronze Star. And a Silver Star.

For scratches and wounds due to Kerry's own incompetence.

BTW, any soldier qualifies for the purple heart if he or she suffers any
combat
related injury, (has to be caused directly by enemy action), if that
combat
related injury requires medical attention. There doesn't even need to be a
loss
of blood. Broken bones and contusions count. If you get nicked in the arm
and
need two or three stitches to sew it up, that meets the
qualification for purple heart.

You are correct. But, Kerry should be ashamed for asking for purple hearts
for scratches.

The only "heroism" attached to Kerry's record was fishing Rassman out of
the
river.

Kerry bought this upon himself, when he tried to make himself out as a
war
hero, which is a gross distortion of the facts.

Absolutely a critical campaign mistake.
It lets the Repubs shift the focus to arguing about things that happened
35
years ago rather than taking a hard look at what's going on today.
*Exactly*
the break a failing administration needed.

Maybe if Kerry had done more in the Senate he could run on that record.

On Sat, 04 Sep 2004 12:09:46 -0400, Bert Robbins wrote:


You are correct. But, Kerry should be ashamed for asking for purple hearts
for scratches.


As it is a two man race, it seems to me we should be comparing the two
candidates military records. I have found a site that does just that.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/4/21/19216/5237

"thunder" wrote in message
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On Sat, 04 Sep 2004 12:09:46 -0400, Bert Robbins wrote:


You are correct. But, Kerry should be ashamed for asking for purple
hearts
for scratches.


As it is a two man race, it seems to me we should be comparing the two
candidates military records. I have found a site that does just that.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/4/21/19216/5237

Ok, lets compare accomplishments:

Pres. Bush was governor of Texas, elected and re-elected. And, Pres. Bush
was elected to be President of the US.

Kerry's executive management of large governmental organizations is what?

The log book of the USS Gridely has been checked and it was in SEA for five
weeks during Kerry's 12 month tour on the ship. So, Kerry did not serve 16
monts in country.

Just goes to prove that if enough people repeat the same lies over and
over,
pretty soon a great number of folks begin to believethem.

It appears that you are falling into the repeating of lies.

Excuse me!

The ship was at sea for five weeks out of a 52-week year. So he was five weeks
short of 16 months.

So, let's test truth here. Rush Limbaugh, Hannity, Savage, and the rest of your
cheerleaders all keep repeating "four months in Viet Nam!"

I said 16 months, as he was on duty on a ship that was patrolling the coast of
Viet Nam for (most of) 12-months.

Right Wing Hate Radio Version: "Four months in Viet Nam"

Gould's Version: Sixteen months.

If we pick nits and subtract the five weeks the ship was at sea, we are still
left with
14 months, 3 weeks.

Who is making a better effort to be accurate?

"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...
The log book of the USS Gridely has been checked and it was in SEA for
five
weeks during Kerry's 12 month tour on the ship. So, Kerry did not serve 16
monts in country.

Just goes to prove that if enough people repeat the same lies over and
over,
pretty soon a great number of folks begin to believethem.

It appears that you are falling into the repeating of lies.

Excuse me!

The ship was at sea for five weeks out of a 52-week year. So he was five
weeks
short of 16 months.

So, let's test truth here. Rush Limbaugh, Hannity, Savage, and the rest of
your
cheerleaders all keep repeating "four months in Viet Nam!"

I said 16 months, as he was on duty on a ship that was patrolling the
coast of
Viet Nam for (most of) 12-months.

Right Wing Hate Radio Version: "Four months in Viet Nam"

Gould's Version: Sixteen months.

If we pick nits and subtract the five weeks the ship was at sea, we are
still
left with
14 months, 3 weeks.

Who is making a better effort to be accurate?



4 months, 14 months 24 months....who cares. What does it have to do with
Kerry being fit to be POTUS?

How about his 240 months in the senate? Why is this not more important?

4 months, 14 months 24 months....who cares. What does it have to do with
Kerry being fit to be POTUS?

How about his 240 months in the senate? Why is this not more important?

Ask your strategists. They chose, at the highest levels, (I did hear that
Bush's attorney had to step down due to conflict of interest when he was
serving as legal advisor to the Swift Boat crew), to attack Kerry' record in
Viet Nam moreso than his record in the Senate.

"Gould 0738" wrote in message
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4 months, 14 months 24 months....who cares. What does it have to do with
Kerry being fit to be POTUS?

How about his 240 months in the senate? Why is this not more important?

Ask your strategists.

*My* strategists?

They chose, at the highest levels, (I did hear that
Bush's attorney had to step down due to conflict of interest when he was
serving as legal advisor to the Swift Boat crew), to attack Kerry' record
in
Viet Nam moreso than his record in the Senate.

Kerry's strategists chose to make it the center of his campaign. The
opposition therefore has a right to question him on his claims.

You did not answer the question Gould. Why did Kerry choose not to focus on
his 240 months in the Senate? Certainly more relevant....wouldn't you
agree?

Gould,

You are missing the point, if Kerry endorses making his war hero record a
center point of his campaign he has to expect the opposition to take pot
shots at his record.

Kerry has not made his congressional record a center piece of his campaign,
because he does not believe the majority of American's would endorse his
voting record.

I have no problem with anything Kerry did in VN, but I do not believe he is
a war hero, he was a kid who took advantage of a loop hole (3 purple hearts)
to get out of VN. No big deal.




"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...
4 months, 14 months 24 months....who cares. What does it have to do with
Kerry being fit to be POTUS?

How about his 240 months in the senate? Why is this not more important?

Ask your strategists. They chose, at the highest levels, (I did hear that
Bush's attorney had to step down due to conflict of interest when he was
serving as legal advisor to the Swift Boat crew), to attack Kerry' record
in
Viet Nam moreso than his record in the Senate.

"Gould 0738" wrote in message
...
The log book of the USS Gridely has been checked and it was in SEA for
five
weeks during Kerry's 12 month tour on the ship. So, Kerry did not serve
16
monts in country.

Just goes to prove that if enough people repeat the same lies over and
over,
pretty soon a great number of folks begin to believethem.

It appears that you are falling into the repeating of lies.

Excuse me!

I see that you don't know the difference between SEA and sea. SEA is South
East Asia and sea is water.

The ship was at sea for five weeks out of a 52-week year. So he was five
weeks
short of 16 months.

No, the ship was in SEA for five weeks of Kerry's 52 week tour.

So, let's test truth here. Rush Limbaugh, Hannity, Savage, and the rest of
your
cheerleaders all keep repeating "four months in Viet Nam!"

You need to refer to Kerry's military history posted on Kerry's website.

I said 16 months, as he was on duty on a ship that was patrolling the
coast of
Viet Nam for (most of) 12-months.

Ships in that era did not patrol off the coast of anything for 12 mounts.
They usual tour of duty was 6 months or 9 months. With a six month crusie
the ship would leave port in May and return in November. It takes a while to
get from Hawaii or San Diego to SEA and there are ports of call and other
activities that you are involved in which limited your time on station off
the coast of North and South Vietnam.

Right Wing Hate Radio Version: "Four months in Viet Nam"

Gould's Version: Sixteen months.

If we pick nits and subtract the five weeks the ship was at sea, we are
still
left with
14 months, 3 weeks.

Your ignorance is showing.


Who is making a better effort to be accurate?

Not you. You have are picking and choosing the informaiton you want to
present.