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Karl Denninger wrote:
NPR is widely-acknowledged as being a left-wing media outlet by virtually
everyone

You mean "NPR is widely-acknowledged as being a left-wing media outlet
by virtually every fascist whacko."

They give equal time to both sides of just about every question, and
most of their programs have no conceivable bias... is classical music
left-wing nowadays? Is 'Car Talk' left-wing? How about 'Science
Friday'? How about the BBC reports, that's from a different country so
how could it be biased? Programs like 'Talk of the Nation' allow anybody
to call in and either ask questions of their guest, or just give their
opinions... and many with an obvious right-wing slant do so.

I was listening to General Tommy Franks being respectfully interviewed a
couple nights ago... I guess he is now a left-winger??

If you truly believe that NPR is a "left-wing media outlet" then you're
as dumb as Dave Hall... maybe dumber, he doesn't believe half that
crapola himself.

DSK

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On Fri, 06 Aug 2004 15:19:30 GMT, bb wrote:

The big problem with NPR is that they also give the left wing
perspective. In order to be unbiased they need to only give the right
wing version.

======================

Some truth to that unfortunately.

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DSK wrote in message ...
Karl Denninger wrote:
These are the same people who have tried to remove Rush Limbaugh from the
Armed Forces Radio Network, charging that there are no "liberal voices" on
AFRN.

You have to be a right-wing whacko to think that NPR is left-wing. It is
as balanced and unbiased as any media can get.

Of course you think otherwise, the voices on right-wing hate radio tell
you so. But they don't tell you that NPR carries many of President
Bush's speeches, interviews with General Tommy Franks, etc etc. Boy talk
about a leftist agenda!

I have to agree. I listen to NPR regularly. While I think some of
the programming on our local NPR member station could be considered
fairly liberal. I find much of the NPR programming to be very
objective.

I would say that much of it is pretty damned boring. "Talk of the
Nation" - I listen to the first five minutes and then, about half the
time, I have to say to myself, "The nation is talking about *that*?
What a bore." and dial up a local news station.

"Morning Edition" is an excellent news broadcast. "All Things
Considered" is another good program.

NPR and their member stations have done some stupid stuff that make
them look partisan from time to time. A while back they were sharing
member lists with the democratic party. The quantity of liberal-type
junk mail increased we get increased after my wife became a member of
the local station. I should note that my wife is a democrat and has
other affilations that contribute to the mix of stuff in our mailbox.

And they seem to get a pass on certain things. I saw a piece in the
WSJ "taste" section today that mentions Morning Edition anchor, Bob
Edwards...

"...In an interview with Talkers Magazine, Mr. Edwards gave a
surprising answer when asked what kind of people listen to NPR.

"'Bright people,' he replied. 'People of all economic strata. It's a
whiter audience than we would like and we're trying to fix that.'

"Now substitute 'GOP Chairman Ed Gillespie' for Bob Edwards and
'Republican Party' for National Public Radio and think what the
reaction would be to a statement that could be read to imply that
white people are somehow brighter..."

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....But they don't tell you that NPR carries many of President
Bush's speeches, interviews with General Tommy Franks, etc etc. Boy talk
about a leftist agenda!


Curtis CCR wrote:
I have to agree. I listen to NPR regularly. While I think some of
the programming on our local NPR member station could be considered
fairly liberal. I find much of the NPR programming to be very
objective.

Thank you Curtis. Some of our local station's stuff is rather bogus,
too... like gay lifestyle programs and such. And of course, I happen to
like Prairie Home Companion but think Garrison Kiellor is an idiot when
he tries to talk politics. Some people can't seperate the two.


I would say that much of it is pretty damned boring.

They mumble a lot too. I have to turn up the volume louder for NPR than
anything else including old Pink Floyd albums.


"...In an interview with Talkers Magazine, Mr. Edwards gave a
surprising answer when asked what kind of people listen to NPR.

"'Bright people,' he replied. 'People of all economic strata. It's a
whiter audience than we would like and we're trying to fix that.'

"Now substitute 'GOP Chairman Ed Gillespie' for Bob Edwards and
'Republican Party' for National Public Radio and think what the
reaction would be to a statement that could be read to imply that
white people are somehow brighter..."

I would construe it as saying that he thinks there are too many white
people in the lower economic strata ;)

DSK

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DSK wrote:

....But they don't tell you that NPR carries many of President
Bush's speeches, interviews with General Tommy Franks, etc etc. Boy talk
about a leftist agenda!


Curtis CCR wrote:
I have to agree. I listen to NPR regularly. While I think some of
the programming on our local NPR member station could be considered
fairly liberal. I find much of the NPR programming to be very
objective.

Thank you Curtis. Some of our local station's stuff is rather bogus,
too... like gay lifestyle programs and such. And of course, I happen to
like Prairie Home Companion but think Garrison Kiellor is an idiot when
he tries to talk politics. Some people can't seperate the two.


I would say that much of it is pretty damned boring.

They mumble a lot too. I have to turn up the volume louder for NPR than
anything else including old Pink Floyd albums.


"...In an interview with Talkers Magazine, Mr. Edwards gave a
surprising answer when asked what kind of people listen to NPR.

"'Bright people,' he replied. 'People of all economic strata. It's a
whiter audience than we would like and we're trying to fix that.'

"Now substitute 'GOP Chairman Ed Gillespie' for Bob Edwards and
'Republican Party' for National Public Radio and think what the
reaction would be to a statement that could be read to imply that
white people are somehow brighter..."

I would construe it as saying that he thinks there are too many white
people in the lower economic strata ;)

DSK



Where NPR really shines is in the presentation of really long news
takes, long interviews, lots of questions, even difficult ones,
persistent questioning, discussing the depths of an issue, both on
Morning Edition and All Things Considered. I also like Diane Rehm;s
show, even with her continuing voice problems.

I suspect the depth of the news shows puts off those who like itty bitty
soundbites.

--
"There's an old saying in Tennessee - I know it's in Texas, probably in
Tennessee - that says, fool me once, shame on - shame on you. Fool me -
you can't get fooled again." -George W. Bush, Nashville, Tenn., Sept.
17, 2002

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Like FOX news is unbiased to begin with.

The GOP doesn't have any issues to talk about so they resort to name
calling. Like father, like son.
If they talked about issues, they'd have to talk about everything they've
****ED-UP!
All they ever talk about is cutting taxes... Can't cut mine any more. Wish I
could pay taxes... if I could find a job.
"It's still the economy son of stupid" (.com)


"jps" wrote in message
...
For all you who served in the military, have a look at what the GOP is
unleashing against Kerry.

Thank God there are good folks like John McCain who'll stand up to the
bull****, no matter the source.

jps



http://mediamatters.org/items/200408050007

Submerging the truth about Swift Boat Vets on Hannity & Colmes,
Scarborough Country

FOX News Channel's Hannity & Colmes and MSNBC's Scarborough Country
both gave free airtime on August 4 to a new, misleading ad sponsored
by Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, a recently formed group dedicated to
attacking Senator John Kerry's record during and after his service in
Vietnam.

Both programs devoted segments to the ad, airing it the day before its
scheduled release, but left out key facts that discredit Swift Boat
Veterans for Truth.

In an August 5 interview with the Associated Press, Senator John
McCain (R-AZ), "a former prisoner of war in Vietnam, called the ad
criticizing John Kerry's military service 'dishonest and dishonorable'
and urged the White House on Thursday to condemn it as well."

Swift Boat Veterans for Truth did not serve alongside Kerry

In the new ad, members of Swift Boat Veterans for Truth claim that
they "served with John Kerry."

Hannity & Colmes co-host Sean Hannity echoed the false claim, saying
that the veterans in the ad are "the people that know him best," and
referred to them as "some of his fellow crewmates."

Even Pat Halpin, who was filling in for co-host Alan Colmes, called
them "some of John Kerry's crewmates."

Scarborough echoed Swift Boat Veterans' misleading claim that they
"served with John Kerry in Vietnam."

While the veterans attacking Kerry in the ad are veterans of the
Vietnam War and may have served at the same time as Kerry, as The New
York Times reported on August 5, the Kerry campaign noted that "none
of the men had actually served on the Swift boats that Mr. Kerry
commanded."

Adm. Roy F. Hoffman, one of the veterans in the ad, has even
"acknowledged he had no first-hand knowledge to discredit Kerry's
claims to valor," the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel reported on May 7,
"and said that although Kerry was under his command, he really didn't
know Kerry much personally."

In contrast, many of the veterans who have appeared on the campaign
trail with Kerry did serve alongside him.

The Wall Street Journal's Albert R. Hunt noted in his August 5
"Campaign Journal" column, titled "Sham Charges Against a War Hero"

"Indeed, 10 of the 11 men who served on his two swift boats all have
sworn by John Kerry; nine living members were in Boston [for the
Democratic National Convention]."

Swift Boat Veterans for Truth's Republican ties

As Media Matters for America previously noted, on May 4, Salon.com's
Joe Conason detailed Swift Boat Veterans for Truth's ties to the
Republican Party.

In addition to pointing out that the group's founder, John O'Neill,
has long-standing ties to the GOP that can be traced back to the Nixon
administration, Conason also reported that among the people behind
Swift Boat Veterans for Truth is "veteran corporate media consultant
and Texas Republican activist Merrie Spaeth, who is listed as the
group's media contact."

As MMFA has documented, both Hannity & Colmes co-host Alan Colmes (on
May 28) and FOX chief political correspondent Carl Cameron (on May 4)
reported the group's Republican ties on FOX News Channel; on May 4,
Scarborough mentioned criticism of O'Neill's "dirty tricks" for the
Nixon administration.

While Scarborough did mention on August 4 that the group was part of
the "Republican counteroffensive" "prepar[ing] to release blistering
attacks in John Kerry's Vietnam record," Hannity completely ignored
the group's ties to the GOP.

Swift Boat Veterans for Truth doctor did not sign Kerry's medical
record

Neither Hannity nor Scarborough bothered to note that Dr. Louis
Letson, who is featured in the ad claiming to have treated Kerry for
the wound that earned him his first Purple Heart and claiming that it
was undeserved, was not the medical official who signed Kerry's
medical records for the wound.

The Kerry campaign noted this fact in a report in The New York Times
and a report in the Los Angeles Times that surfaced when Letson first
unleashed this attack in May.

In criticizing the ad, McCain told the Associated Press, "'It was the
same kind of deal that was pulled on me'... referring to his
[McCain's] bitter Republican primary fight with President Bush,"
according to the AP.

As Conason reported on May 4, "The 'swift boat' veterans attacking
John Kerry's war record are led by veteran right-wing operatives using
the same vicious techniques they used against John McCain four years
ago."

Conason explained that Spaeth (the group's media contact) participated
during the 2000 Republican primary contest in TV ads that "falsely
attack[ed]" McCain's environmental record in California, New York, and
Ohio.

McCain might have been referring as well to attacks on his military
record by Ted Sampley and Thomas Burch, both Vietnam veterans, during
the 2000 primary season.

As Media Matters for America previously reported, Sampley hounded
McCain as a "Manchurian Candidate" -- suggesting that the decorated
veteran and former prisoner of war was a brainwashed communist agent
-- and was convicted for misdemeanor assault related to an attack on
one of McCain's legislative aides.

Sampley is the leader of a group called Vietnam Veterans Against John
Kerry.

During the 2000 Republican primary in South Carolina, Burch, according
to a February 22 report in the Chicago Tribune, "stood with George W.
Bush at his side and accused Sen. John McCain of Arizona of opposing
health care for Persian Gulf war veterans and blocking efforts to
locate POW-MIAs, saying the former prisoner of war "came home from
Vietnam and forgot us."

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"jps" wrote in message

For all you who served in the military,

We now have two groups of swift boat veterans making contradictory
statements, neither group necessarily being more or less credible than the
other.

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John Gaquin wrote:
"jps" wrote in message

For all you who served in the military,

We now have two groups of swift boat veterans making contradictory
statements, neither group necessarily being more or less credible than the
other.


Bull****. The "anti-kerry" group is bought and paid for by the same GOP
slimeballs that went after John McCain in 2000; they're liars, they have
no credibility, and they can't keep their stories straight. Further,
NONE of them served on Kerry's boat, and therefore have no immediate
knowledge of what happened.

Nice try, though. I'm sure many braindead Repubs will believe your
latest bull****.

--
"There's an old saying in Tennessee - I know it's in Texas, probably in
Tennessee - that says, fool me once, shame on - shame on you. Fool me -
you can't get fooled again." -George W. Bush, Nashville, Tenn., Sept.
17, 2002

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"Harry Krause" wrote in message


... The "anti-kerry" group is bought and paid for by the same GOP

To the same degree that the Kerry group has been bought and paid for by the
Kerry campaign. In point of fact, the "Kerry group" has a stronger vested
interest in maintaining the Kerry version, as it will serve to validate
their former Commander.


...Further,
NONE of them served on Kerry's boat, and therefore have no immediate
knowledge of what happened.

They served on similar boats at the same time in the same area. They have
knowledge of the things of which they speak, which gives them at least as
much credibility as Kerry's group. Having never served, you still think
someone would have to have been on exactly the same boat in order to have
any comprehension of the circumstances. Yet another of your weaknesses.


....I'm sure many braindead Repubs will believe your
latest bull****.

Oh, please! The brain-dead flock to me on a wholly bi-partisan basis.

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In article ,
says...

"Harry Krause" wrote in message


... The "anti-kerry" group is bought and paid for by the same GOP

To the same degree that the Kerry group has been bought and paid for by the
Kerry campaign. In point of fact, the "Kerry group" has a stronger vested
interest in maintaining the Kerry version, as it will serve to validate
their former Commander.


...Further,
NONE of them served on Kerry's boat, and therefore have no immediate
knowledge of what happened.

They served on similar boats at the same time in the same area. They have
knowledge of the things of which they speak, which gives them at least as
much credibility as Kerry's group. Having never served, you still think
someone would have to have been on exactly the same boat in order to have
any comprehension of the circumstances. Yet another of your weaknesses.

"They served on similar boats at the same time in the same area."

NOT on the same boat.