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For all you who served in the military, have a look at what the GOP is
unleashing against Kerry. Thank God there are good folks like John McCain who'll stand up to the bull****, no matter the source. jps http://mediamatters.org/items/200408050007 Submerging the truth about Swift Boat Vets on Hannity & Colmes, Scarborough Country FOX News Channel's Hannity & Colmes and MSNBC's Scarborough Country both gave free airtime on August 4 to a new, misleading ad sponsored by Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, a recently formed group dedicated to attacking Senator John Kerry's record during and after his service in Vietnam. Both programs devoted segments to the ad, airing it the day before its scheduled release, but left out key facts that discredit Swift Boat Veterans for Truth. In an August 5 interview with the Associated Press, Senator John McCain (R-AZ), "a former prisoner of war in Vietnam, called the ad criticizing John Kerry's military service 'dishonest and dishonorable' and urged the White House on Thursday to condemn it as well." Swift Boat Veterans for Truth did not serve alongside Kerry In the new ad, members of Swift Boat Veterans for Truth claim that they "served with John Kerry." Hannity & Colmes co-host Sean Hannity echoed the false claim, saying that the veterans in the ad are "the people that know him best," and referred to them as "some of his fellow crewmates." Even Pat Halpin, who was filling in for co-host Alan Colmes, called them "some of John Kerry's crewmates." Scarborough echoed Swift Boat Veterans' misleading claim that they "served with John Kerry in Vietnam." While the veterans attacking Kerry in the ad are veterans of the Vietnam War and may have served at the same time as Kerry, as The New York Times reported on August 5, the Kerry campaign noted that "none of the men had actually served on the Swift boats that Mr. Kerry commanded." Adm. Roy F. Hoffman, one of the veterans in the ad, has even "acknowledged he had no first-hand knowledge to discredit Kerry's claims to valor," the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel reported on May 7, "and said that although Kerry was under his command, he really didn't know Kerry much personally." In contrast, many of the veterans who have appeared on the campaign trail with Kerry did serve alongside him. The Wall Street Journal's Albert R. Hunt noted in his August 5 "Campaign Journal" column, titled "Sham Charges Against a War Hero" "Indeed, 10 of the 11 men who served on his two swift boats all have sworn by John Kerry; nine living members were in Boston [for the Democratic National Convention]." Swift Boat Veterans for Truth's Republican ties As Media Matters for America previously noted, on May 4, Salon.com's Joe Conason detailed Swift Boat Veterans for Truth's ties to the Republican Party. In addition to pointing out that the group's founder, John O'Neill, has long-standing ties to the GOP that can be traced back to the Nixon administration, Conason also reported that among the people behind Swift Boat Veterans for Truth is "veteran corporate media consultant and Texas Republican activist Merrie Spaeth, who is listed as the group's media contact." As MMFA has documented, both Hannity & Colmes co-host Alan Colmes (on May 28) and FOX chief political correspondent Carl Cameron (on May 4) reported the group's Republican ties on FOX News Channel; on May 4, Scarborough mentioned criticism of O'Neill's "dirty tricks" for the Nixon administration. While Scarborough did mention on August 4 that the group was part of the "Republican counteroffensive" "prepar[ing] to release blistering attacks in John Kerry's Vietnam record," Hannity completely ignored the group's ties to the GOP. Swift Boat Veterans for Truth doctor did not sign Kerry's medical record Neither Hannity nor Scarborough bothered to note that Dr. Louis Letson, who is featured in the ad claiming to have treated Kerry for the wound that earned him his first Purple Heart and claiming that it was undeserved, was not the medical official who signed Kerry's medical records for the wound. The Kerry campaign noted this fact in a report in The New York Times and a report in the Los Angeles Times that surfaced when Letson first unleashed this attack in May. In criticizing the ad, McCain told the Associated Press, "'It was the same kind of deal that was pulled on me'... referring to his [McCain's] bitter Republican primary fight with President Bush," according to the AP. As Conason reported on May 4, "The 'swift boat' veterans attacking John Kerry's war record are led by veteran right-wing operatives using the same vicious techniques they used against John McCain four years ago." Conason explained that Spaeth (the group's media contact) participated during the 2000 Republican primary contest in TV ads that "falsely attack[ed]" McCain's environmental record in California, New York, and Ohio. McCain might have been referring as well to attacks on his military record by Ted Sampley and Thomas Burch, both Vietnam veterans, during the 2000 primary season. As Media Matters for America previously reported, Sampley hounded McCain as a "Manchurian Candidate" -- suggesting that the decorated veteran and former prisoner of war was a brainwashed communist agent -- and was convicted for misdemeanor assault related to an attack on one of McCain's legislative aides. Sampley is the leader of a group called Vietnam Veterans Against John Kerry. During the 2000 Republican primary in South Carolina, Burch, according to a February 22 report in the Chicago Tribune, "stood with George W. Bush at his side and accused Sen. John McCain of Arizona of opposing health care for Persian Gulf war veterans and blocking efforts to locate POW-MIAs, saying the former prisoner of war "came home from Vietnam and forgot us." |
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On Thu, 5 Aug 2004 17:53:39 -0700, jps wrote:
For all you who served in the military, have a look at what the GOP is unleashing against Kerry. Get a boat you liberal faggot! |
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In a round about way this is actually boating related,
Here's the commercial http://humaneventsonline.com.edgesui...video_wmv.html |
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"JGS" wrote in message ... On Thu, 5 Aug 2004 17:53:39 -0700, jps wrote: For all you who served in the military, have a look at what the GOP is unleashing against Kerry. Get a boat you liberal faggot! Preach it brotha! I'm jumping on the non OT post bandwagon right now and I want EVERYONE to know it!!! Buck |
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Get a boat you liberal faggot!
Preach it brotha! I'm jumping on the non OT post bandwagon right now and I want EVERYONE to know it!!! Buck Scurry over to your brotha's OT Post, Kerry and 9-11. I'll hold my liberal breath. :-) |
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In article , reneebuck@cox-
internet.com says... "JGS" wrote in message ... On Thu, 5 Aug 2004 17:53:39 -0700, jps wrote: For all you who served in the military, have a look at what the GOP is unleashing against Kerry. Get a boat you liberal faggot! Preach it brotha! I'm jumping on the non OT post bandwagon right now and I want EVERYONE to know it!!! Buck Another brain dead fool from Dumb****, USA. I didn't realize how much water exists in the flyover zones. |
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On Thu, 5 Aug 2004 18:44:01 -0700, jps wrote:
In article , says... On Thu, 5 Aug 2004 17:53:39 -0700, jps wrote: For all you who served in the military, have a look at what the GOP is unleashing against Kerry. Get a boat you liberal faggot! I've got two you silly turd. Two you? English is not you major eh? Stupid arse. |
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"Gould 0738" wrote in message ... Get a boat you liberal faggot! Preach it brotha! I'm jumping on the non OT post bandwagon right now and I want EVERYONE to know it!!! Buck Scurry over to your brotha's OT Post, Kerry and 9-11. I'll hold my liberal breath. :-) Hold it for the next 365 days please. |
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"buck183" wrote in message ... "JGS" wrote in message ... On Thu, 5 Aug 2004 17:53:39 -0700, jps wrote: For all you who served in the military, have a look at what the GOP is unleashing against Kerry. Get a boat you liberal faggot! Preach it brotha! I'm jumping on the non OT post bandwagon right now and I want EVERYONE to know it!!! Buck Glad to see someone else that is tired of seeing all the off topic posts. |
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Get a boat you liberal faggot!
I've got two you silly turd. Two you? English is not you major eh? Stupid arse. He should have placed a comma after "two". You should have used one following "major". I'd say you guys are about even on this issue. |
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jps wrote:
In article , says... On Thu, 5 Aug 2004 18:44:01 -0700, jps wrote: In article , says... On Thu, 5 Aug 2004 17:53:39 -0700, jps wrote: For all you who served in the military, have a look at what the GOP is unleashing against Kerry. Get a boat you liberal faggot! I've got two you silly turd. Two you? English is not you major eh? Stupid arse. What do you not understand about "I've got two?" dip****. The entire concept...most of these right-wingnuts are castratos who sing countertenor. -- "There's an old saying in Tennessee - I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee - that says, fool me once, shame on - shame on you. Fool me - you can't get fooled again." -George W. Bush, Nashville, Tenn., Sept. 17, 2002 |
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"Gould 0738" wrote in message ... Get a boat you liberal faggot! Preach it brotha! I'm jumping on the non OT post bandwagon right now and I want EVERYONE to know it!!! Buck Scurry over to your brotha's OT Post, Kerry and 9-11. I'll hold my liberal breath. :-) LOL....I saw that right after I responded to this thread. I think you're on to something. Buck |
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In article ,
says... On 06 Aug 2004 02:08:46 GMT, (Gould 0738) wrote: Get a boat you liberal faggot! I've got two you silly turd. Two you? English is not you major eh? Stupid arse. He should have placed a comma after "two". You should have used one following "major". I'd say you guys are about even on this issue. What do you expect from a couple of liberal assholes like you two. Or should I have said too? Bwaaaaahaaaaaahaaaaahaaaa!!! How can liberals be assholes when we're such weenies? Yer the assholes, Bubba. And ye erned that moniker, ye didn't just lick it up off the floor. |
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On Thu, 5 Aug 2004 19:35:59 -0700, jps wrote:
In article , says... On 06 Aug 2004 02:08:46 GMT, (Gould 0738) wrote: Get a boat you liberal faggot! I've got two you silly turd. Two you? English is not you major eh? Stupid arse. He should have placed a comma after "two". You should have used one following "major". I'd say you guys are about even on this issue. What do you expect from a couple of liberal assholes like you two. Or should I have said too? Bwaaaaahaaaaaahaaaaahaaaa!!! How can liberals be assholes when we're such weenies? Yer the assholes, Bubba. And ye erned that moniker, ye didn't just lick it up off the floor. No, your (or somebody else's) weenies are in your asshole. |
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In article ,
says... On Thu, 5 Aug 2004 19:35:59 -0700, jps wrote: In article , says... On 06 Aug 2004 02:08:46 GMT, (Gould 0738) wrote: Get a boat you liberal faggot! I've got two you silly turd. Two you? English is not you major eh? Stupid arse. He should have placed a comma after "two". You should have used one following "major". I'd say you guys are about even on this issue. What do you expect from a couple of liberal assholes like you two. Or should I have said too? Bwaaaaahaaaaaahaaaaahaaaa!!! How can liberals be assholes when we're such weenies? Yer the assholes, Bubba. And ye erned that moniker, ye didn't just lick it up off the floor. No, your (or somebody else's) weenies are in your asshole. Whooooooaaaa!!! You got sum reel humor there, Bubba. Give yer mullet a good wash tonight, yer head's been in a real sweat. |
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JGS wrote:
No, your (or somebody else's) weenies are in your asshole. Your range of response seems extremely limited, and based upon your homophobia. Perhaps you need to come out of the closet... -- "There's an old saying in Tennessee - I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee - that says, fool me once, shame on - shame on you. Fool me - you can't get fooled again." -George W. Bush, Nashville, Tenn., Sept. 17, 2002 |
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Goodbye...
*ploink* -- -Netsock "It's just about going fast...that's all..." http://home.insight.rr.com/cgreen/ "JGS" wrote in message ... On Thu, 5 Aug 2004 19:35:59 -0700, jps wrote: In article , says... On 06 Aug 2004 02:08:46 GMT, (Gould 0738) wrote: Get a boat you liberal faggot! I've got two you silly turd. Two you? English is not you major eh? Stupid arse. He should have placed a comma after "two". You should have used one following "major". I'd say you guys are about even on this issue. What do you expect from a couple of liberal assholes like you two. Or should I have said too? Bwaaaaahaaaaaahaaaaahaaaa!!! How can liberals be assholes when we're such weenies? Yer the assholes, Bubba. And ye erned that moniker, ye didn't just lick it up off the floor. No, your (or somebody else's) weenies are in your asshole. |
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WaIIy wrote:
Uhhh, they never claimed to be on the same boat. No, but that claim has often been made for them Have you seen the ranks and medals of these people. Yes, and I have also seen some of the evals some of them wrote for Kerry at the time. Either they were lying then, or they were lying now. They are all liars?? No they are all paid shills for Bush. Their statements should be of the same import & moment as a Pepsi ad. Its funny how they *say* they want to make their statements as a "public service" but then, Kerry has been in the Senate for how many years? without any of them saying diddley. Now all of a sudden they are shilling for Bush, and doing so through an organization that takes donations for political advertising. It's also a bit funny how none of them have anything to say about Bush's service (or notable lack thereof). Nobody would have said boo, but Kerry trots out his four months as if he won WW2. Agreed, I'm kind of tired of hearing about it. But it is emphasized far more by the Bush/Cheney camp than by Kerry, so you can't blame him for that... well, you can but it would be stupid... You reap what you sow. If that were entirely true, then FOX news would run bi-weekly 2-hour documentaries on Bush's DUIs, his AWOL, his executive orders about ultra-secrecy for his & Cheney's papers & memos, Cheney's finagling to get Halliburton all those no-bid contracts & the overcharges, kickbacks, and lost inventory ensuing, etc etc.... oh wait, those are all true, if it were "reaping what you sow" it would have to be something trumped-up... DSK |
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In article , jps wrote: For all you who served in the military, have a look at what the GOP is unleashing against Kerry. Thank God there are good folks like John McCain who'll stand up to the bull****, no matter the source. jps http://mediamatters.org/items/200408050007 The cited web "report" is from a left-wing attack group which has led the charge in partisan political abuse and fraud upon the public through the public airwaves and media. These are the same people who have tried to remove Rush Limbaugh from the Armed Forces Radio Network, charging that there are no "liberal voices" on AFRN. Of course they completely ignore NPR, which is about as left-wing as you can find anywhere, and is also carried on AFRN. They further ignore the fact that Limbaugh was installed on AFRN AT THE REQUEST OF SERVICEMEN AND WOMEN WHO WANTED TO HEAR HIM. Gee, something's wrong with catering to those who are your "customers"? I guess so - if you're a lefty. Nothing "Media Matters" says or does is unbiased or fair. Indeed, their entire purpose is to attack any conservative viewpoint. -- -- Karl Denninger ) Internet Consultant & Kids Rights Activist http://www.denninger.net My home on the net http://scubaforum.org Your UNCENSORED place to talk about DIVING! http://boaterforum.com Talk about Boating online - any topic, any time! http://www.spamcuda.net SPAM FREE mailboxes - FREE FOR A LIMITED TIME! |
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Karl Denninger wrote:
These are the same people who have tried to remove Rush Limbaugh from the Armed Forces Radio Network, charging that there are no "liberal voices" on AFRN. You have to be a right-wing whacko to think that NPR is left-wing. It is as balanced and unbiased as any media can get. Of course you think otherwise, the voices on right-wing hate radio tell you so. But they don't tell you that NPR carries many of President Bush's speeches, interviews with General Tommy Franks, etc etc. Boy talk about a leftist agenda! DSK |
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On Fri, 06 Aug 2004 10:58:31 -0400, DSK wrote:
You have to be a right-wing whacko to think that NPR is left-wing. It is as balanced and unbiased as any media can get. The big problem with NPR is that they also give the left wing perspective. In order to be unbiased they need to only give the right wing version. bb |
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wrote in message ... On Fri, 06 Aug 2004 10:58:31 -0400, DSK wrote: Karl Denninger wrote: These are the same people who have tried to remove Rush Limbaugh from the Armed Forces Radio Network, charging that there are no "liberal voices" on AFRN. You have to be a right-wing whacko to think that NPR is left-wing. It is as balanced and unbiased as any media can get. Of course you think otherwise, the voices on right-wing hate radio tell you so. But they don't tell you that NPR carries many of President Bush's speeches, interviews with General Tommy Franks, etc etc. Boy talk about a leftist agenda! DSK Update on Swift Boat liars: http://www.boston.com/news/nation/ar...cism_of_kerry/ An excerpt: But yesterday, a key figure in the anti-Kerry campaign, Kerry's former commanding officer, backed off one of the key contentions. Lieutenant Commander George Elliott said in an interview that he had made a ''terrible mistake" in signing an affidavit that suggests Kerry did not deserve the Silver Star -- one of the main allegations in the book. The affidavit was given to The Boston Globe by the anti-Kerry group to justify assertions in their ad and book. Elliott is quoted as saying that Kerry ''lied about what occurred in Vietnam . . . for example, in connection with his Silver Star, I was never informed that he had simply shot a wounded, fleeing Viet Cong in the back." The statement refers to an episode in which Kerry killed a Viet Cong soldier who had been carrying a rocket launcher, part of a chain of events that formed the basis of his Silver Star. Over time, some Kerry critics have questioned whether the soldier posed a danger to Kerry's crew. Crew members have said Kerry's actions saved their lives. Yesterday, reached at his home, Elliott said he regretted signing the affidavit and said he still thinks Kerry deserved the Silver Star. ''I still don't think he shot the guy in the back," Elliott said. ''It was a terrible mistake probably for me to sign the affidavit with those words. I'm the one in trouble here." So? What does any of his 4 months in service 30+ years ago have to do with his ability to serve the Country as POTUS and why is Kerry making it the foundation of his campaign? Seems that his record as Senator over the past 20 years is more important...but he seems to skip over that. Very telling. |
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The big problem with NPR is that they also give the left wing
perspective. In order to be unbiased they need to only give the right wing version. bb I think that's what p's off the conservatives. The RW position is most often based on emotion, and that doesn't fare so well when contrasted with logical analysis. |
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Yesterday, reached at his home, Elliott said he regretted signing the
affidavit and said he still thinks Kerry deserved the Silver Star. ''I still don't think he shot the guy in the back," Elliott said. ''It was a terrible mistake probably for me to sign the affidavit with those words. I'm the one in trouble here." IOW, Elliott's conscience has been working on him. "I shouldn't have signed that"? That phrase indicates his statement was already prepared for him, rather than an actual expression of personal opinon. Typical in cases like this. |
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In article , DSK wrote: Karl Denninger wrote: These are the same people who have tried to remove Rush Limbaugh from the Armed Forces Radio Network, charging that there are no "liberal voices" on AFRN. You have to be a right-wing whacko to think that NPR is left-wing. It is as balanced and unbiased as any media can get. Of course you think otherwise, the voices on right-wing hate radio tell you so. But they don't tell you that NPR carries many of President Bush's speeches, interviews with General Tommy Franks, etc etc. Boy talk about a leftist agenda! DSK NPR is widely-acknowledged as being a left-wing media outlet by virtually everyone - and worse, its funded by taxpayer money. It'd be one thing if they could "make it" on their own. But of course they can't and don't. The point here is not about NPR, however. Its that this "Media Matters" group is hardly non-partisan - nor do they "stand for truth." Attempting to ENFORCE CENSORSHIP is not a democratic practice. It is the practice of someone who is afraid of someone's speech. -- -- Karl Denninger ) Internet Consultant & Kids Rights Activist http://www.denninger.net My home on the net http://scubaforum.org Your UNCENSORED place to talk about DIVING! http://boaterforum.com Talk about Boating online - any topic, any time! http://www.spamcuda.net SPAM FREE mailboxes - FREE FOR A LIMITED TIME! |
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There it is! I knew I would find the word "boat" if I looked hard enough.
-- Bill Chesapeake, Va "WaIIy" wrote in message ... On Fri, 06 Aug 2004 09:34:37 -0400, DSK wrote: Nobody would have said boo, but Kerry trots out his four months as if he won WW2. Agreed, I'm kind of tired of hearing about it. But it is emphasized far more by the Bush/Cheney camp than by Kerry, so you can't blame him for that... well, you can but it would be stupid... You must be kidding. Kerry's crossing the Delaware boat trip to the convention was pathetic. |
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In article , jim-- wrote: So? What does any of his 4 months in service 30+ years ago have to do with his ability to serve the Country as POTUS and why is Kerry making it the foundation of his campaign? Seems that his record as Senator over the past 20 years is more important...but he seems to skip over that. Very telling. Actually, Kerry's admission, which was widely recorded and televised, in his own words, that he committed atrocities while in Vietnam definitely bears on his fitness to be the commander-in-chief. That, all by itself, disqualifies him from office. -- -- Karl Denninger ) Internet Consultant & Kids Rights Activist http://www.denninger.net My home on the net http://scubaforum.org Your UNCENSORED place to talk about DIVING! http://boaterforum.com Talk about Boating online - any topic, any time! http://www.spamcuda.net SPAM FREE mailboxes - FREE FOR A LIMITED TIME! |
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Karl Denninger wrote:
NPR is widely-acknowledged as being a left-wing media outlet by virtually everyone You mean "NPR is widely-acknowledged as being a left-wing media outlet by virtually every fascist whacko." They give equal time to both sides of just about every question, and most of their programs have no conceivable bias... is classical music left-wing nowadays? Is 'Car Talk' left-wing? How about 'Science Friday'? How about the BBC reports, that's from a different country so how could it be biased? Programs like 'Talk of the Nation' allow anybody to call in and either ask questions of their guest, or just give their opinions... and many with an obvious right-wing slant do so. I was listening to General Tommy Franks being respectfully interviewed a couple nights ago... I guess he is now a left-winger?? If you truly believe that NPR is a "left-wing media outlet" then you're as dumb as Dave Hall... maybe dumber, he doesn't believe half that crapola himself. DSK |
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On Fri, 06 Aug 2004 15:19:30 GMT, bb wrote:
The big problem with NPR is that they also give the left wing perspective. In order to be unbiased they need to only give the right wing version. ====================== Some truth to that unfortunately. |
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DSK wrote in message ...
Karl Denninger wrote: These are the same people who have tried to remove Rush Limbaugh from the Armed Forces Radio Network, charging that there are no "liberal voices" on AFRN. You have to be a right-wing whacko to think that NPR is left-wing. It is as balanced and unbiased as any media can get. Of course you think otherwise, the voices on right-wing hate radio tell you so. But they don't tell you that NPR carries many of President Bush's speeches, interviews with General Tommy Franks, etc etc. Boy talk about a leftist agenda! I have to agree. I listen to NPR regularly. While I think some of the programming on our local NPR member station could be considered fairly liberal. I find much of the NPR programming to be very objective. I would say that much of it is pretty damned boring. "Talk of the Nation" - I listen to the first five minutes and then, about half the time, I have to say to myself, "The nation is talking about *that*? What a bore." and dial up a local news station. "Morning Edition" is an excellent news broadcast. "All Things Considered" is another good program. NPR and their member stations have done some stupid stuff that make them look partisan from time to time. A while back they were sharing member lists with the democratic party. The quantity of liberal-type junk mail increased we get increased after my wife became a member of the local station. I should note that my wife is a democrat and has other affilations that contribute to the mix of stuff in our mailbox. And they seem to get a pass on certain things. I saw a piece in the WSJ "taste" section today that mentions Morning Edition anchor, Bob Edwards... "...In an interview with Talkers Magazine, Mr. Edwards gave a surprising answer when asked what kind of people listen to NPR. "'Bright people,' he replied. 'People of all economic strata. It's a whiter audience than we would like and we're trying to fix that.' "Now substitute 'GOP Chairman Ed Gillespie' for Bob Edwards and 'Republican Party' for National Public Radio and think what the reaction would be to a statement that could be read to imply that white people are somehow brighter..." |
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....But they don't tell you that NPR carries many of President
Bush's speeches, interviews with General Tommy Franks, etc etc. Boy talk about a leftist agenda! Curtis CCR wrote: I have to agree. I listen to NPR regularly. While I think some of the programming on our local NPR member station could be considered fairly liberal. I find much of the NPR programming to be very objective. Thank you Curtis. Some of our local station's stuff is rather bogus, too... like gay lifestyle programs and such. And of course, I happen to like Prairie Home Companion but think Garrison Kiellor is an idiot when he tries to talk politics. Some people can't seperate the two. I would say that much of it is pretty damned boring. They mumble a lot too. I have to turn up the volume louder for NPR than anything else including old Pink Floyd albums. "...In an interview with Talkers Magazine, Mr. Edwards gave a surprising answer when asked what kind of people listen to NPR. "'Bright people,' he replied. 'People of all economic strata. It's a whiter audience than we would like and we're trying to fix that.' "Now substitute 'GOP Chairman Ed Gillespie' for Bob Edwards and 'Republican Party' for National Public Radio and think what the reaction would be to a statement that could be read to imply that white people are somehow brighter..." I would construe it as saying that he thinks there are too many white people in the lower economic strata ;) DSK |
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DSK wrote:
....But they don't tell you that NPR carries many of President Bush's speeches, interviews with General Tommy Franks, etc etc. Boy talk about a leftist agenda! Curtis CCR wrote: I have to agree. I listen to NPR regularly. While I think some of the programming on our local NPR member station could be considered fairly liberal. I find much of the NPR programming to be very objective. Thank you Curtis. Some of our local station's stuff is rather bogus, too... like gay lifestyle programs and such. And of course, I happen to like Prairie Home Companion but think Garrison Kiellor is an idiot when he tries to talk politics. Some people can't seperate the two. I would say that much of it is pretty damned boring. They mumble a lot too. I have to turn up the volume louder for NPR than anything else including old Pink Floyd albums. "...In an interview with Talkers Magazine, Mr. Edwards gave a surprising answer when asked what kind of people listen to NPR. "'Bright people,' he replied. 'People of all economic strata. It's a whiter audience than we would like and we're trying to fix that.' "Now substitute 'GOP Chairman Ed Gillespie' for Bob Edwards and 'Republican Party' for National Public Radio and think what the reaction would be to a statement that could be read to imply that white people are somehow brighter..." I would construe it as saying that he thinks there are too many white people in the lower economic strata ;) DSK Where NPR really shines is in the presentation of really long news takes, long interviews, lots of questions, even difficult ones, persistent questioning, discussing the depths of an issue, both on Morning Edition and All Things Considered. I also like Diane Rehm;s show, even with her continuing voice problems. I suspect the depth of the news shows puts off those who like itty bitty soundbites. -- "There's an old saying in Tennessee - I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee - that says, fool me once, shame on - shame on you. Fool me - you can't get fooled again." -George W. Bush, Nashville, Tenn., Sept. 17, 2002 |
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Like FOX news is unbiased to begin with.
The GOP doesn't have any issues to talk about so they resort to name calling. Like father, like son. If they talked about issues, they'd have to talk about everything they've ****ED-UP! All they ever talk about is cutting taxes... Can't cut mine any more. Wish I could pay taxes... if I could find a job. "It's still the economy son of stupid" (.com) "jps" wrote in message ... For all you who served in the military, have a look at what the GOP is unleashing against Kerry. Thank God there are good folks like John McCain who'll stand up to the bull****, no matter the source. jps http://mediamatters.org/items/200408050007 Submerging the truth about Swift Boat Vets on Hannity & Colmes, Scarborough Country FOX News Channel's Hannity & Colmes and MSNBC's Scarborough Country both gave free airtime on August 4 to a new, misleading ad sponsored by Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, a recently formed group dedicated to attacking Senator John Kerry's record during and after his service in Vietnam. Both programs devoted segments to the ad, airing it the day before its scheduled release, but left out key facts that discredit Swift Boat Veterans for Truth. In an August 5 interview with the Associated Press, Senator John McCain (R-AZ), "a former prisoner of war in Vietnam, called the ad criticizing John Kerry's military service 'dishonest and dishonorable' and urged the White House on Thursday to condemn it as well." Swift Boat Veterans for Truth did not serve alongside Kerry In the new ad, members of Swift Boat Veterans for Truth claim that they "served with John Kerry." Hannity & Colmes co-host Sean Hannity echoed the false claim, saying that the veterans in the ad are "the people that know him best," and referred to them as "some of his fellow crewmates." Even Pat Halpin, who was filling in for co-host Alan Colmes, called them "some of John Kerry's crewmates." Scarborough echoed Swift Boat Veterans' misleading claim that they "served with John Kerry in Vietnam." While the veterans attacking Kerry in the ad are veterans of the Vietnam War and may have served at the same time as Kerry, as The New York Times reported on August 5, the Kerry campaign noted that "none of the men had actually served on the Swift boats that Mr. Kerry commanded." Adm. Roy F. Hoffman, one of the veterans in the ad, has even "acknowledged he had no first-hand knowledge to discredit Kerry's claims to valor," the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel reported on May 7, "and said that although Kerry was under his command, he really didn't know Kerry much personally." In contrast, many of the veterans who have appeared on the campaign trail with Kerry did serve alongside him. The Wall Street Journal's Albert R. Hunt noted in his August 5 "Campaign Journal" column, titled "Sham Charges Against a War Hero" "Indeed, 10 of the 11 men who served on his two swift boats all have sworn by John Kerry; nine living members were in Boston [for the Democratic National Convention]." Swift Boat Veterans for Truth's Republican ties As Media Matters for America previously noted, on May 4, Salon.com's Joe Conason detailed Swift Boat Veterans for Truth's ties to the Republican Party. In addition to pointing out that the group's founder, John O'Neill, has long-standing ties to the GOP that can be traced back to the Nixon administration, Conason also reported that among the people behind Swift Boat Veterans for Truth is "veteran corporate media consultant and Texas Republican activist Merrie Spaeth, who is listed as the group's media contact." As MMFA has documented, both Hannity & Colmes co-host Alan Colmes (on May 28) and FOX chief political correspondent Carl Cameron (on May 4) reported the group's Republican ties on FOX News Channel; on May 4, Scarborough mentioned criticism of O'Neill's "dirty tricks" for the Nixon administration. While Scarborough did mention on August 4 that the group was part of the "Republican counteroffensive" "prepar[ing] to release blistering attacks in John Kerry's Vietnam record," Hannity completely ignored the group's ties to the GOP. Swift Boat Veterans for Truth doctor did not sign Kerry's medical record Neither Hannity nor Scarborough bothered to note that Dr. Louis Letson, who is featured in the ad claiming to have treated Kerry for the wound that earned him his first Purple Heart and claiming that it was undeserved, was not the medical official who signed Kerry's medical records for the wound. The Kerry campaign noted this fact in a report in The New York Times and a report in the Los Angeles Times that surfaced when Letson first unleashed this attack in May. In criticizing the ad, McCain told the Associated Press, "'It was the same kind of deal that was pulled on me'... referring to his [McCain's] bitter Republican primary fight with President Bush," according to the AP. As Conason reported on May 4, "The 'swift boat' veterans attacking John Kerry's war record are led by veteran right-wing operatives using the same vicious techniques they used against John McCain four years ago." Conason explained that Spaeth (the group's media contact) participated during the 2000 Republican primary contest in TV ads that "falsely attack[ed]" McCain's environmental record in California, New York, and Ohio. McCain might have been referring as well to attacks on his military record by Ted Sampley and Thomas Burch, both Vietnam veterans, during the 2000 primary season. As Media Matters for America previously reported, Sampley hounded McCain as a "Manchurian Candidate" -- suggesting that the decorated veteran and former prisoner of war was a brainwashed communist agent -- and was convicted for misdemeanor assault related to an attack on one of McCain's legislative aides. Sampley is the leader of a group called Vietnam Veterans Against John Kerry. During the 2000 Republican primary in South Carolina, Burch, according to a February 22 report in the Chicago Tribune, "stood with George W. Bush at his side and accused Sen. John McCain of Arizona of opposing health care for Persian Gulf war veterans and blocking efforts to locate POW-MIAs, saying the former prisoner of war "came home from Vietnam and forgot us." |
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"jps" wrote in message For all you who served in the military, We now have two groups of swift boat veterans making contradictory statements, neither group necessarily being more or less credible than the other. |
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John Gaquin wrote:
"jps" wrote in message For all you who served in the military, We now have two groups of swift boat veterans making contradictory statements, neither group necessarily being more or less credible than the other. Bull****. The "anti-kerry" group is bought and paid for by the same GOP slimeballs that went after John McCain in 2000; they're liars, they have no credibility, and they can't keep their stories straight. Further, NONE of them served on Kerry's boat, and therefore have no immediate knowledge of what happened. Nice try, though. I'm sure many braindead Repubs will believe your latest bull****. -- "There's an old saying in Tennessee - I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee - that says, fool me once, shame on - shame on you. Fool me - you can't get fooled again." -George W. Bush, Nashville, Tenn., Sept. 17, 2002 |
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"Harry Krause" wrote in message ... The "anti-kerry" group is bought and paid for by the same GOP To the same degree that the Kerry group has been bought and paid for by the Kerry campaign. In point of fact, the "Kerry group" has a stronger vested interest in maintaining the Kerry version, as it will serve to validate their former Commander. ...Further, NONE of them served on Kerry's boat, and therefore have no immediate knowledge of what happened. They served on similar boats at the same time in the same area. They have knowledge of the things of which they speak, which gives them at least as much credibility as Kerry's group. Having never served, you still think someone would have to have been on exactly the same boat in order to have any comprehension of the circumstances. Yet another of your weaknesses. ....I'm sure many braindead Repubs will believe your latest bull****. Oh, please! The brain-dead flock to me on a wholly bi-partisan basis. |
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