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John Gaquin August 12th 04 01:48 PM

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"Harry Krause" wrote in message

Serious question: how long do you think it will take President Kerry to
clean up the awful mess left behind when Bush leaves the White House in
January? It's going to take years on the diplomatic front...and some
time to undo Bush's damage to the environment, to health care, to the
infrastructure...

It's going to take at least two terms of Kerry, two terms of Edwards or
Barack Obama and...well, after that, I probably won't care.


Yes, it would have been so much simpler all around if we had just let Al
Gore take it in 2000. We could by now just let the UN make all our
decisions for us, petition the EU for membership, and the worst of it would
be that every year or so we'd only have to tolerate several thousand dead in
terrorist attacks.

Probably would have been a better choice, right Harry.....bass.....Doug?
Right?



jim-- August 12th 04 02:15 PM

Swift Boat Liars
 

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
John Gaquin wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message

Serious question: how long do you think it will take President Kerry to
clean up the awful mess left behind when Bush leaves the White House in
January? It's going to take years on the diplomatic front...and some
time to undo Bush's damage to the environment, to health care, to the
infrastructure...

It's going to take at least two terms of Kerry, two terms of Edwards or
Barack Obama and...well, after that, I probably won't care.


Yes, it would have been so much simpler all around if we had just let Al
Gore take it in 2000. We could by now just let the UN make all our
decisions for us, petition the EU for membership, and the worst of it
would
be that every year or so we'd only have to tolerate several thousand dead
in
terrorist attacks.

Probably would have been a better choice, right Harry.....bass.....Doug?
Right?



There is absolutely no evidence that would support the claim al Qaeda
would have attacked if Gore had not been cheated out of Florida's
electoral votes. Yes, I am aware your buddy Osama was "planning" the
attacks for years...but...

...according to Osama, 911 was executed as payback for our continued
presence on Saudi soil, and because of the issues of the so-called
Palestinians. You do recall that Bush decided to keep himself and his
administration uninvolved in the Middle East peace process?

Well, a President Gore might well have been a tad more sensitive to the
issues of Moslems and he sure as hell would have jumped right into the
Middle East peace process and done everything within his power to push a
deal along there. The fact that a POTUS was deeply involved in trying to
broker a deal between the Israelis and the so-called Palestinians might
well have caused Osama to keep his plans on hold.

This is why, by the way, I have stated time and again that I belive (and
so do others) that 911 was the result of Bush's failures in diplomacy.



No basis of fact. Nothing but pure speculation based on your partisan view.



Harry Krause August 12th 04 02:20 PM

Swift Boat Liars
 
jim-- wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
John Gaquin wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message

Serious question: how long do you think it will take President Kerry to
clean up the awful mess left behind when Bush leaves the White House in
January? It's going to take years on the diplomatic front...and some
time to undo Bush's damage to the environment, to health care, to the
infrastructure...

It's going to take at least two terms of Kerry, two terms of Edwards or
Barack Obama and...well, after that, I probably won't care.

Yes, it would have been so much simpler all around if we had just let Al
Gore take it in 2000. We could by now just let the UN make all our
decisions for us, petition the EU for membership, and the worst of it
would
be that every year or so we'd only have to tolerate several thousand dead
in
terrorist attacks.

Probably would have been a better choice, right Harry.....bass.....Doug?
Right?



There is absolutely no evidence that would support the claim al Qaeda
would have attacked if Gore had not been cheated out of Florida's
electoral votes. Yes, I am aware your buddy Osama was "planning" the
attacks for years...but...

...according to Osama, 911 was executed as payback for our continued
presence on Saudi soil, and because of the issues of the so-called
Palestinians. You do recall that Bush decided to keep himself and his
administration uninvolved in the Middle East peace process?

Well, a President Gore might well have been a tad more sensitive to the
issues of Moslems and he sure as hell would have jumped right into the
Middle East peace process and done everything within his power to push a
deal along there. The fact that a POTUS was deeply involved in trying to
broker a deal between the Israelis and the so-called Palestinians might
well have caused Osama to keep his plans on hold.

This is why, by the way, I have stated time and again that I belive (and
so do others) that 911 was the result of Bush's failures in diplomacy.



No basis of fact. Nothing but pure speculation based on your partisan view.



D'oh. Gee, Dennis. That's what I said. Notice that I stated what a
PResident GORE might have done and how al Qaeda might have reacted to that?

It's not particularly partisan. There's little doubt a President Gore
would have jumped into the Middle East peace process with both feet, and
that his diplomatic approaches would have been far different than
Bush's. That's reality, Dennis, not partisan.

Yeah, I believe 911 resulted from Bush's failures in diplomacy. You
betcha. Too bad it isn't being discussed...it ought to be.


--
"There's an old saying in Tennessee - I know it's in Texas, probably in
Tennessee - that says, fool me once, shame on - shame on you. Fool me -
you can't get fooled again." -George W. Bush, Nashville, Tenn., Sept.
17, 2002

Tom August 12th 04 02:31 PM

Swift Boat Liars
 

Documentation that he claimed to commit these atrocities or that he
actually performed the deeds?


Anything you have would be useful, thank you.

So, either or both.

Since you indicated in your previous post that you had read the
transcript of Kerrys speech I would think you would realize he had, in
fact, made that speech. If not, I'm sure you could do a Google search
and find the exact date and location. I have heard tapes of that
portion of his speech and believe it was made to a committee of either
the House or Senate in the early '70s. Since it's pretty obvious that
he made the comments the question is - did he commit the atrocities he
claimed or did he lie about them? Either way, I feel it shows a severe
lack of character and he is not one I feel is fit to lead this
country.

John Gaquin August 12th 04 03:00 PM

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"Harry Krause" wrote in message

There is absolutely no evidence....snip


How's the weather in *your* galaxy today, Harry?



Dave Hall August 12th 04 04:59 PM

Swift Boat Liars
 
On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 07:42:28 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:



Holy, ****, John, are you REALLY saying that you STILL don't
understand which group I'm talking about? REALLY????




Serious question: how long do you think it will take President Kerry to
clean up the awful mess left behind when Bush leaves the White House in
January? It's going to take years on the diplomatic front...and some
time to undo Bush's damage to the environment, to health care, to the
infrastructure...


So you're already laying the groundwork for your excuses when/if Kerry
wins and then fails to deliver on those lofty promises that any
rational person realizes he just can't keep?

Dave

basskisser August 12th 04 05:01 PM

Swift Boat Liars
 
Dave Hall wrote in message . ..
On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 07:49:46 -0700, W.T. Hatch
wrote:

On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 12:41:14 GMT, (Tom) wrote:


Sir:

Although I have read the transcript of Mr. Kerry's 1971 interview on this topic,
I wonder if you'd be so kind as to provide some sort of documentation for these
specific atrocities you claim were committed by the young LtJG Kerry. I have
seen no such documentation--and it is not for lack of a diligent search on my
part.

Most sincerely,
W.T. Hatch

Documentation that he claimed to commit these atrocities or that he
actually performed the deeds?



Kerry admitted to performing or observing these acts himself on live
television. Now, either he is telling the truth and is guilty of war
crimes, or he lied about it which amounts to filing false claims. You
decide which.

Dave


To WHOM did he "file" these "false claims" with?

Dave Hall August 12th 04 05:03 PM

Swift Boat Liars
 
On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 09:20:01 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

Yeah, I believe 911 resulted from Bush's failures in diplomacy. You
betcha. Too bad it isn't being discussed...it ought to be.


You could also believe that 911 was a plot instigated by aliens. It
would have just as much credibility as any other purely speculative
conjecture.....

Dave




Harry Krause August 12th 04 05:03 PM

Swift Boat Liars
 
Dave Hall wrote:

On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 07:42:28 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:



Holy, ****, John, are you REALLY saying that you STILL don't
understand which group I'm talking about? REALLY????




Serious question: how long do you think it will take President Kerry to
clean up the awful mess left behind when Bush leaves the White House in
January? It's going to take years on the diplomatic front...and some
time to undo Bush's damage to the environment, to health care, to the
infrastructure...


So you're already laying the groundwork for your excuses when/if Kerry
wins and then fails to deliver on those lofty promises that any
rational person realizes he just can't keep?

Dave


No, Dave. Let's try again. Bush has done tremendous damage to us with
our allies, and with other countries friendly or at least neutral to us.
He also has increased resolve among those terrorists who want to do us
great harm. Bush has also damage to the environment, to health care, to
the infrastructure, to the budget, and so forth and so on, and it will
take aggressive action and years to undo the failures and catastrophes
of the Bush-**** administration.

Kerry will deliver...in time. The United States will not be rebuilt in a
day, or even a 1000 days. But Kerry will start the process and move us
along the path to recovery.


--
"There's an old saying in Tennessee - I know it's in Texas, probably in
Tennessee - that says, fool me once, shame on - shame on you. Fool me -
you can't get fooled again." -George W. Bush, Nashville, Tenn., Sept.
17, 2002

Dave Hall August 12th 04 05:04 PM

Swift Boat Liars
 
On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 08:43:11 -0400, "John Gaquin"
wrote:


"basskisser" wrote in message


Holy, ****, John, are you REALLY saying that you STILL don't
understand which group I'm talking about? REALLY????


By God, this is fun! You never get it!


And by all accounts, he never will.......

At least he provides a bit of comic relief, for those of us who aren't
quite so serious about the whole thing....

Dave



Harry Krause August 12th 04 05:04 PM

Swift Boat Liars
 
Dave Hall wrote:

On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 09:20:01 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

Yeah, I believe 911 resulted from Bush's failures in diplomacy. You
betcha. Too bad it isn't being discussed...it ought to be.


You could also believe that 911 was a plot instigated by aliens. It
would have just as much credibility as any other purely speculative
conjecture.....

Dave




You have proof that my theory has no credibility? Let's see it.

--
"There's an old saying in Tennessee - I know it's in Texas, probably in
Tennessee - that says, fool me once, shame on - shame on you. Fool me -
you can't get fooled again." -George W. Bush, Nashville, Tenn., Sept.
17, 2002

thunder August 12th 04 05:55 PM

Swift Boat Liars
 
On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 13:31:23 +0000, Tom wrote:


Since you indicated in your previous post that you had read the transcript
of Kerrys speech I would think you would realize he had, in fact, made
that speech. If not, I'm sure you could do a Google search and find the
exact date and location. I have heard tapes of that portion of his speech
and believe it was made to a committee of either the House or Senate in
the early '70s. Since it's pretty obvious that he made the comments the
question is - did he commit the atrocities he claimed or did he lie about
them? Either way, I feel it shows a severe lack of character and he is not
one I feel is fit to lead this country.


It sounds like you are referring to Kerry's testimony before the Senate
Committee on Foreign Relations. "Since it's pretty obvious" that you
haven't read it, here's the link:

http://www.cwes01.com/13790/23910/ktpp179-210.pdf

basskisser August 12th 04 07:54 PM

Swift Boat Liars
 
"jim--" wrote in message ...
"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
John Gaquin wrote:
"Harry Krause" wrote in message

Serious question: how long do you think it will take President Kerry to
clean up the awful mess left behind when Bush leaves the White House in
January? It's going to take years on the diplomatic front...and some
time to undo Bush's damage to the environment, to health care, to the
infrastructure...

It's going to take at least two terms of Kerry, two terms of Edwards or
Barack Obama and...well, after that, I probably won't care.

Yes, it would have been so much simpler all around if we had just let Al
Gore take it in 2000. We could by now just let the UN make all our
decisions for us, petition the EU for membership, and the worst of it
would
be that every year or so we'd only have to tolerate several thousand dead
in
terrorist attacks.

Probably would have been a better choice, right Harry.....bass.....Doug?
Right?



There is absolutely no evidence that would support the claim al Qaeda
would have attacked if Gore had not been cheated out of Florida's
electoral votes. Yes, I am aware your buddy Osama was "planning" the
attacks for years...but...

...according to Osama, 911 was executed as payback for our continued
presence on Saudi soil, and because of the issues of the so-called
Palestinians. You do recall that Bush decided to keep himself and his
administration uninvolved in the Middle East peace process?

Well, a President Gore might well have been a tad more sensitive to the
issues of Moslems and he sure as hell would have jumped right into the
Middle East peace process and done everything within his power to push a
deal along there. The fact that a POTUS was deeply involved in trying to
broker a deal between the Israelis and the so-called Palestinians might
well have caused Osama to keep his plans on hold.

This is why, by the way, I have stated time and again that I belive (and
so do others) that 911 was the result of Bush's failures in diplomacy.



No basis of fact. Nothing but pure speculation based on your partisan view.


Since when do YOU believe in fact?

basskisser August 12th 04 07:55 PM

Swift Boat Liars
 
"John Gaquin" wrote in message ...
"basskisser" wrote in message


Holy, ****, John, are you REALLY saying that you STILL don't
understand which group I'm talking about? REALLY????


By God, this is fun! You never get it!


Oh, I get it all right. You are stupid! ANYTIME you don't have an
answer, you stick your head in the sand, and act like a real
republican. You don't WANT to know.

John Gaquin August 12th 04 08:05 PM

Swift Boat Liars
 

"basskisser" wrote in message

Oh, I get it all right. You are stupid! ANYTIME you don't have an
answer, you stick your head in the sand, and act like a real
republican. You don't WANT to know.


Yup, you sure got it.

LOL



Dave Hall August 12th 04 08:20 PM

Swift Boat Liars
 
On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 12:04:29 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

Dave Hall wrote:

On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 09:20:01 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

Yeah, I believe 911 resulted from Bush's failures in diplomacy. You
betcha. Too bad it isn't being discussed...it ought to be.


You could also believe that 911 was a plot instigated by aliens. It
would have just as much credibility as any other purely speculative
conjecture.....

Dave




You have proof that my theory has no credibility? Let's see it.


You want me to prove a negative? That's a logical fallacy. No, it's
up to you to prove that your theory HAS credibility.

Dave





Harry Krause August 12th 04 08:28 PM

Swift Boat Liars
 
Dave Hall wrote:

On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 12:04:29 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

Dave Hall wrote:

On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 09:20:01 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

Yeah, I believe 911 resulted from Bush's failures in diplomacy. You
betcha. Too bad it isn't being discussed...it ought to be.

You could also believe that 911 was a plot instigated by aliens. It
would have just as much credibility as any other purely speculative
conjecture.....

Dave




You have proof that my theory has no credibility? Let's see it.


You want me to prove a negative? That's a logical fallacy. No, it's
up to you to prove that your theory HAS credibility.

Dave





No it isn't. It is merely a theory; I don't have to prove it; I accept
it on faith.

You describe yourself as a Christian. Prove the man you call Jesus was
the son of the Creator.

What? You accept it on faith?

Yeah, I believe 911 might not have happened if we had had someone
competent as President instead of the idiot Bush.


--
"There's an old saying in Tennessee - I know it's in Texas, probably in
Tennessee - that says, fool me once, shame on - shame on you. Fool me -
you can't get fooled again." -George W. Bush, Nashville, Tenn., Sept.
17, 2002

Bert Robbins August 13th 04 12:08 AM

Swift Boat Liars
 

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Dave Hall wrote:

On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 09:20:01 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

Yeah, I believe 911 resulted from Bush's failures in diplomacy. You
betcha. Too bad it isn't being discussed...it ought to be.


You could also believe that 911 was a plot instigated by aliens. It
would have just as much credibility as any other purely speculative
conjecture.....

Dave




You have proof that my theory has no credibility? Let's see it.


We are considered to be the Great Satan and if a liberal is at the head of
government then it means more activities against the koran will be occuring
and there is more reason to harm the Great Satan.



Bert Robbins August 13th 04 12:10 AM

Swift Boat Liars
 

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Dave Hall wrote:

On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 12:04:29 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

Dave Hall wrote:

On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 09:20:01 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

Yeah, I believe 911 resulted from Bush's failures in diplomacy. You
betcha. Too bad it isn't being discussed...it ought to be.

You could also believe that 911 was a plot instigated by aliens. It
would have just as much credibility as any other purely speculative
conjecture.....

Dave




You have proof that my theory has no credibility? Let's see it.


You want me to prove a negative? That's a logical fallacy. No, it's
up to you to prove that your theory HAS credibility.

Dave





No it isn't. It is merely a theory; I don't have to prove it; I accept
it on faith.

You describe yourself as a Christian. Prove the man you call Jesus was
the son of the Creator.

What? You accept it on faith?

Yeah, I believe 911 might not have happened if we had had someone
competent as President instead of the idiot Bush.


You just keep thinking that way.

My theory is that if Kerry is elected then we will be subjected to many more
terrorist attacks than we have been subjected to thes past 12 years because
a weakling link Kerry will not have the stomach and back bone to stand up to
the terrorists.



Bert Robbins August 13th 04 12:13 AM

Swift Boat Liars
 

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Dave Hall wrote:

On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 07:42:28 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:



Holy, ****, John, are you REALLY saying that you STILL don't
understand which group I'm talking about? REALLY????



Serious question: how long do you think it will take President Kerry to
clean up the awful mess left behind when Bush leaves the White House in
January? It's going to take years on the diplomatic front...and some
time to undo Bush's damage to the environment, to health care, to the
infrastructure...


So you're already laying the groundwork for your excuses when/if Kerry
wins and then fails to deliver on those lofty promises that any
rational person realizes he just can't keep?

Dave


No, Dave. Let's try again. Bush has done tremendous damage to us with
our allies, and with other countries friendly or at least neutral to us.
He also has increased resolve among those terrorists who want to do us
great harm. Bush has also damage to the environment, to health care, to
the infrastructure, to the budget, and so forth and so on, and it will
take aggressive action and years to undo the failures and catastrophes
of the Bush-**** administration.

Kerry will deliver...in time. The United States will not be rebuilt in a
day, or even a 1000 days. But Kerry will start the process and move us
along the path to recovery.


Put down the crack pipe and go back to rehab.



Harry Krause August 13th 04 12:17 AM

Swift Boat Liars
 
JohnH wrote:

On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 15:28:09 -0400, Harry Krause wrote:

Dave Hall wrote:

On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 12:04:29 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

Dave Hall wrote:

On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 09:20:01 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

Yeah, I believe 911 resulted from Bush's failures in diplomacy. You
betcha. Too bad it isn't being discussed...it ought to be.

You could also believe that 911 was a plot instigated by aliens. It
would have just as much credibility as any other purely speculative
conjecture.....

Dave




You have proof that my theory has no credibility? Let's see it.

You want me to prove a negative? That's a logical fallacy. No, it's
up to you to prove that your theory HAS credibility.

Dave





No it isn't. It is merely a theory; I don't have to prove it; I accept
it on faith.

You describe yourself as a Christian. Prove the man you call Jesus was
the son of the Creator.

What? You accept it on faith?

Yeah, I believe 911 might not have happened if we had had someone
competent as President instead of the idiot Bush.


Luckily, Harry, very few discriminating people believe what you say, let alone
what you believe.

John H


I'm sure, John, that in your little circle of jerks, here and elsewhere,
anyone who isn't excited about Dubya dumb is held in low esteem.

Getitng prepped for another year of cheating the Alexandria school
system, John?



--
"There's an old saying in Tennessee - I know it's in Texas, probably in
Tennessee - that says, fool me once, shame on - shame on you. Fool me -
you can't get fooled again." -George W. Bush, Nashville, Tenn., Sept.
17, 2002

Harry Krause August 13th 04 12:21 AM

Swift Boat Liars
 
Bert Robbins wrote:

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
Dave Hall wrote:

On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 09:20:01 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

Yeah, I believe 911 resulted from Bush's failures in diplomacy. You
betcha. Too bad it isn't being discussed...it ought to be.

You could also believe that 911 was a plot instigated by aliens. It
would have just as much credibility as any other purely speculative
conjecture.....

Dave




You have proof that my theory has no credibility? Let's see it.


We are considered to be the Great Satan and if a liberal is at the head of
government then it means more activities against the koran will be occuring
and there is more reason to harm the Great Satan.



Now you sound like Dick Cheney.

--
"There's an old saying in Tennessee - I know it's in Texas, probably in
Tennessee - that says, fool me once, shame on - shame on you. Fool me -
you can't get fooled again." -George W. Bush, Nashville, Tenn., Sept.
17, 2002

Bill August 13th 04 04:20 AM

Swift Boat Liars
 

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
John Gaquin wrote:
"jps" wrote in message

For all you who served in the military,


We now have two groups of swift boat veterans making contradictory
statements, neither group necessarily being more or less credible than

the
other.


Bull****. The "anti-kerry" group is bought and paid for by the same GOP
slimeballs that went after John McCain in 2000; they're liars, they have
no credibility, and they can't keep their stories straight. Further,
NONE of them served on Kerry's boat, and therefore have no immediate
knowledge of what happened.

Nice try, though. I'm sure many braindead Repubs will believe your
latest bull****.

--
"There's an old saying in Tennessee - I know it's in Texas, probably in
Tennessee - that says, fool me once, shame on - shame on you. Fool me -
you can't get fooled again." -George W. Bush, Nashville, Tenn., Sept.
17, 2002


Harry I have never met you and I can tell you are a Asshole. I can tell you
have no courage. All you like doing is bash the President all the time along
with your other Liberal friends. If you watch and listen they NEVER said
they served on Kerry's boat. Some of them are saying (NOW LISTEN VERY
CAREFULLY) They where in the other boat next to his boat and could see what
was happening. Nobody except for the 3 or 4 people supporting Kerry is
disputing the FACTS. If this was all lies don't you think Kerry would block
this in court (Liberals Courts) but he can't..because he knows it to be the
truth.




Bill August 13th 04 04:30 AM

Swift Boat Liars
 

"Bill" wrote in message
...

"Harry Krause" wrote in message
...
John Gaquin wrote:
"jps" wrote in message

For all you who served in the military,

We now have two groups of swift boat veterans making contradictory
statements, neither group necessarily being more or less credible than

the
other.


Bull****. The "anti-kerry" group is bought and paid for by the same GOP
slimeballs that went after John McCain in 2000; they're liars, they have
no credibility, and they can't keep their stories straight. Further,
NONE of them served on Kerry's boat, and therefore have no immediate
knowledge of what happened.

Nice try, though. I'm sure many braindead Repubs will believe your
latest bull****.

--
"There's an old saying in Tennessee - I know it's in Texas, probably in
Tennessee - that says, fool me once, shame on - shame on you. Fool me -
you can't get fooled again." -George W. Bush, Nashville, Tenn., Sept.
17, 2002


Harry I have never met you and I can tell you are a Asshole. I can tell

you
have no courage. All you like doing is bash the President all the time

along
with your other Liberal friends. If you watch and listen they NEVER said
they served on Kerry's boat. Some of them are saying (NOW LISTEN VERY
CAREFULLY) They where in the other boat next to his boat and could see

what
was happening. Nobody except for the 3 or 4 people supporting Kerry is
disputing the FACTS. If this was all lies don't you think Kerry would

block
this in court (Liberals Courts) but he can't..because he knows it to be

the
truth.

Oh yea don't forget the all the Lies he told when he got home about his
fellow veterans. Standing with Hanoi Jane. He disgraced his own shipmates.
What about the stories that he did while in Vietnam. Made Jane Fonda
Proud...Are these Lies or Truth. If they are truth then he should be held
accountable for what he did in Vietnam




Dave Hall August 13th 04 01:19 PM

Swift Boat Liars
 
On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 15:28:09 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

Dave Hall wrote:

On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 12:04:29 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

Dave Hall wrote:

On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 09:20:01 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

Yeah, I believe 911 resulted from Bush's failures in diplomacy. You
betcha. Too bad it isn't being discussed...it ought to be.

You could also believe that 911 was a plot instigated by aliens. It
would have just as much credibility as any other purely speculative
conjecture.....

Dave




You have proof that my theory has no credibility? Let's see it.


You want me to prove a negative? That's a logical fallacy. No, it's
up to you to prove that your theory HAS credibility.

Dave





No it isn't. It is merely a theory; I don't have to prove it; I accept
it on faith.


That's fine. Just don't pass it off as if it were indisputable fact.


Dave

Harry Krause August 13th 04 01:23 PM

Swift Boat Liars
 
Dave Hall wrote:

On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 15:28:09 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

Dave Hall wrote:

On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 12:04:29 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

Dave Hall wrote:

On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 09:20:01 -0400, Harry Krause
wrote:

Yeah, I believe 911 resulted from Bush's failures in diplomacy. You
betcha. Too bad it isn't being discussed...it ought to be.

You could also believe that 911 was a plot instigated by aliens. It
would have just as much credibility as any other purely speculative
conjecture.....

Dave




You have proof that my theory has no credibility? Let's see it.

You want me to prove a negative? That's a logical fallacy. No, it's
up to you to prove that your theory HAS credibility.

Dave





No it isn't. It is merely a theory; I don't have to prove it; I accept
it on faith.


That's fine. Just don't pass it off as if it were indisputable fact.


Dave



And let's make sure fundie Christians don't try to pass off their
small-minded beliefs as "truth" that others have to follow, eh?


--
"There's an old saying in Tennessee - I know it's in Texas, probably in
Tennessee - that says, fool me once, shame on - shame on you. Fool me -
you can't get fooled again." -George W. Bush, Nashville, Tenn., Sept.
17, 2002

Tom August 13th 04 02:33 PM

Swift Boat Liars
 

It sounds like you are referring to Kerry's testimony before the Senate
Committee on Foreign Relations. "Since it's pretty obvious" that you
haven't read it, here's the link:

http://www.cwes01.com/13790/23910/ktpp179-210.pdf


Interesting - the news clip I saw had similar verbiage about the
atrocities but Kerry claimed to have committed those same atrocities.
Wonder if one or the other was doctored or if it was a different
speech?

W.T. Hatch August 13th 04 04:16 PM

Swift Boat Liars
 
On Fri, 13 Aug 2004 13:33:24 GMT, (Tom) wrote:


It sounds like you are referring to Kerry's testimony before the Senate
Committee on Foreign Relations. "Since it's pretty obvious" that you
haven't read it, here's the link:

http://www.cwes01.com/13790/23910/ktpp179-210.pdf

Interesting - the news clip I saw had similar verbiage about the
atrocities but Kerry claimed to have committed those same atrocities.
Wonder if one or the other was doctored or if it was a different
speech?


Sir:

Might I trouble you for a link to the speech or its transcript?

That would certainly put the matter to rest in my mind.

Most sincerely,
W.T. Hatch


Dave Hall August 13th 04 06:24 PM

Swift Boat Liars
 
On Fri, 13 Aug 2004 08:16:45 -0700, W.T. Hatch
wrote:

On Fri, 13 Aug 2004 13:33:24 GMT, (Tom) wrote:


It sounds like you are referring to Kerry's testimony before the Senate
Committee on Foreign Relations. "Since it's pretty obvious" that you
haven't read it, here's the link:

http://www.cwes01.com/13790/23910/ktpp179-210.pdf

Interesting - the news clip I saw had similar verbiage about the
atrocities but Kerry claimed to have committed those same atrocities.
Wonder if one or the other was doctored or if it was a different
speech?


Sir:

Might I trouble you for a link to the speech or its transcript?

That would certainly put the matter to rest in my mind.

Most sincerely,
W.T. Hatch



Try:

www.wintersoldier.com/audio/kerry2.mp3

www.wintersoldier.com/audio/warcrimes.mp3

Dave


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