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On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 17:15:23 +0000, Gould 0738 wrote:
I believe your talking about Dr. Louis Letson. If he treated Kerry, one would think his name would appear on Kerry's sick call sheet. It doesn't. Isn't this the guy who says "I know Kerry is lying about earning a Purple Heart because I treated him for the wound?" Yup, that's him. Part of Kerry's website is devoted to "fact checking." Unfortunately, to much of this is "he said, she said." I guess that's what happens when you dig up thirty year old garbage. http://www.johnkerry.com/rapidrespon...504_truth.html |
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"thunder" wrote in message ... On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 17:15:23 +0000, Gould 0738 wrote: I believe your talking about Dr. Louis Letson. If he treated Kerry, one would think his name would appear on Kerry's sick call sheet. It doesn't. Isn't this the guy who says "I know Kerry is lying about earning a Purple Heart because I treated him for the wound?" Yup, that's him. Part of Kerry's website is devoted to "fact checking." Unfortunately, to much of this is "he said, she said." I guess that's what happens when you dig up thirty year old garbage. And isn't that the real shame of it? 73 words out of a 10,000 word acceptance speech about his 240 months in the Senate but almost half of them on the 4 months he bravely served in Vietnam some 30+ years ago. And according some here in this very forum those 4 months 30 years ago are more telling as to his ability to be POTUS than his recent 240 months in the US Senate. Sadly, I am sure there are plenty of other non thinking partisans who feel the same and cannot see what is important and what is not. |
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"basskisser" wrote in message .....evidence of your wild allegations, other than what the swift boat vets are being paid to say? Um, to which group of swift boat vets are you referring? Glad to see you've resurrected the "wild allegations." If you are that damned stupid, stay out of the conversation. It's getting awfully tiring to have to explain every single sentence of every single post to you. For an explanation, please see the topic of the post, which is "Swift Boat Liars". THOSE would be the one's that I am talking about, seeing how that is the topic of this post. |
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On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 14:13:32 -0400, jim-- wrote:
And isn't that the real shame of it? 73 words out of a 10,000 word acceptance speech about his 240 months in the Senate but almost half of them on the 4 months he bravely served in Vietnam some 30+ years ago. And according some here in this very forum those 4 months 30 years ago are more telling as to his ability to be POTUS than his recent 240 months in the US Senate. Sadly, I am sure there are plenty of other non thinking partisans who feel the same and cannot see what is important and what is not. There is still three months until the election. Surely between now and then, there will be a national debate on real issues, but then, maybe not. I have stated before, that I believe *both* candidates did what there country asked of them. It would be nice to move on to a more issue oriented campaign, but it this climate, that may be asking too much. |
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"Gould 0738" wrote in message ... The guys on Kerry's boat most likely got stuck there because they couldn't transfer off due to nobody wanting to transfer onto Kerry's boat. And 35 years later they still feel "trapped" by Kerry? If the stories being spread by the shadow organization are true, why do Kerry's crew still feel compelled to call it "bull****". From John Herring: Or they all received questionable awards? Shame, shame, shame on you. :-( Really support our troops. Join "Soldiers for The Truth". http://www.sftt.org/ Maybe they are worried about being tried for "War Crimes" |
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They gave up years of their lives and, in
some cases, limbs, their health, their futures, and their lives, in a trumped-up, bull**** war that had nothing to do with American security and, in fact, did little more than prop up a series of right-wing dictators in south Vietnam. And would you like to tell us which right wing president drug us into that mess to support the right wing dictators??? |
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You don't believe character is important? That it's a prime requisite for POTUS? How about aspects of character, like honesty, intelligence, integrity, and so forth? Are they "BS" as well? So when you look at Kerrys admission that he committed the atrocities to which he referred (cutting off heads, ears, rape, burning villages etc.) you feel that shows a strength of character??? |
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You don't believe character is important? That it's a prime requisite for POTUS? How about aspects of character, like honesty, intelligence, integrity, and so forth? Are they "BS" as well? So when you look at Kerrys admission that he committed the atrocities to which he referred (cutting off heads, ears, rape, burning villages etc.) you feel that shows a strength of character??? Hey...it's the military. -- "There's an old saying in Tennessee - I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee - that says, fool me once, shame on - shame on you. Fool me - you can't get fooled again." -George W. Bush, Nashville, Tenn., Sept. 17, 2002 |
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"Gould 0738" wrote in message ... I find it amazing that 10 guys who served on Kerry's boat speak the truth but every one of the 250 who served along side his boat are liars and are politically motivated. Most of the charges this group brings against Kerry involve his actions on just a few missions. There are 6 guys on a boat. Do the math, Jim. Do you believe they sent 40 boats at a time to maneuever at high speeds in very restricted waters? Chuck, I know you are not as stupid as you appear to be on this topic. At least two boats were on every mission. In case one breaks down then they have the other one to tow it back or leave the broken boat and bring back the broken boats crew. This is how Kerry's peers were able to judge his actions and capabilities and most have said that they didn't have faith and confidence in Kerry's abilities. Even *if* they did, why would anybody be inclined to pay particular attention to the actions of one particular skipper who, at that time, was not a public figure? Your life depended upon his, Kerry's, dedication to the mission and your safe return. I'm astonished at the one doctor who said he treated Kerry for one of his wounds, but now believes that the wound was (depending on the day he tells the story, it seems to change depending on the audience) either self inflicted or not serious enough to warrant a purple heart. We can clear all of this up if the medical records are released so that we can actually find out the extent and source of the wounds. Do they just hand out a purple heart to everybody who says, "I'd like one of those, I think it will look good on my uniform and get me laid back home," or does somebody check the medical records to evaluate whether a serviceman was wounded? It depends upon how much the the potential awardee whines, stomps his feet and holds his breath to get his way. If anybody checks the records at all, was the doctor who treated Kerry lying then, or is he lying now? Again, if Kerry would release his military medical records we could clear this up. If nobody checks the records and they do hand out purple hearts like so many Cracker Jacks prizes to anybody who cares to ask for one......then what is the basis for the angst and outrage that Kerry "wasn't wounded badly enough" to qualify? Oh, hang on......here's something factual about Purple Heart awards. It looks like there is no requirement that the injury be of any certain severity. Only that it required medical treatment and that it was caused by the enemy. From: http://www.purpleheart.org/Awd_of_PH.htm b. While clearly an individual decoration, the Purple Heart differs from all other decorations in that an individual is not "recommended" for the decoration; rather he or she is entitled to it upon meeting specific criteria. (1) A Purple Heart is authorized for the first wound suffered under conditions indicated above, but for each subsequent award an Oak Leaf Cluster will be awarded to be worn on the medal or ribbon. Not more than one award will be made for more than one wound or injury received at the same instant or from the same missile, force, explosion, or agent. (2) A wound is defined as an injury to any part of the body from an outside force or agent sustained under one or more of the conditions listed above A physical lesion is not required, however, the wound for which the award is made must have required treatment by a medical officer and records of medical treatment for wounds or injuries received in action must have been made a matter of official record. (3) When contemplating an award of this decoration, the key issue that commanders must take into consideration is the degree to which the enemy caused the injury. The fact that the proposed recipient was participating in direct or indirect combat operations is a necessary prerequisite, but is not sole justification for award. Face it, Kerry wouldn't have been wounded "badly enough" to satisfy the modern Republican tribe unless he came home in a box. Kerry found a loop hole, getting three purple hearts, to get out early. |
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"thunder" wrote in message ... On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 14:13:32 -0400, jim-- wrote: And isn't that the real shame of it? 73 words out of a 10,000 word acceptance speech about his 240 months in the Senate but almost half of them on the 4 months he bravely served in Vietnam some 30+ years ago. And according some here in this very forum those 4 months 30 years ago are more telling as to his ability to be POTUS than his recent 240 months in the US Senate. Sadly, I am sure there are plenty of other non thinking partisans who feel the same and cannot see what is important and what is not. There is still three months until the election. Surely between now and then, there will be a national debate on real issues, but then, maybe not. I have stated before, that I believe *both* candidates did what there country asked of them. It would be nice to move on to a more issue oriented campaign, but it this climate, that may be asking too much. Vote for Bush and you will remain free and your country will work to protect you. Vote for Kerry and you will be taxed into poverty and you can bend over and take it in the ass from our enemies. |
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"Gould 0738" wrote in message ... Don't let Chuck get to you, he's just "Harry West Coast" and more a troll than anything else. If I were any lower, I'd be a specialist in two-line name calling. Now you have ascended to the one-line name calling specialist. |
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"basskisser" wrote in message Um, to which group of swift boat vets are you referring? If you are that damned stupid, stay out of the conversation. It's getting awfully tiring to have to explain every single sentence of every single post to you. For an explanation, please see the topic of the post, which is "Swift Boat Liars". THOSE would be the one's that I am talking about, seeing how that is the topic of this post. My, my; aren't we getting testy! But just who are "those?" There are currently two groups of swift boat veterans -- one group paid by the Democrats to tell one story, the other paid by the Republicans to tell another version. One of these groups of swift boat veterans is lying. To which group of swift boat veterans are you referring? |
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And would you like to tell us which right wing president drug us into
that mess to support the right wing dictators??? Sure. Eisenhower's Letter of Support to Ngo Dinh Diem, October 23, 1954. Dear Mr. President: I have been following with great interest the course of developments in Viet-Nam, particularly since the conclusion of the conference at Geneva. The implications of the agreement concerning Viet-Nam have caused grave concern regarding the future of a country temporarily divided by an artificial military grouping, weakened by a long and exhausting war and faced with enemies without and by their subversive collaborations within. Your recent requests for aid to assist in the formidable project of the movement of several hundred thousand loyal Vietnamese citizens away from areas which are passing under a de facto rule and political ideology which they abhor, are being fulfilled. I am glad that the United States is able to assist in this humanitarian effort. We have been exploring ways and means to permit our aid to Viet-Nam to be more effective and to make a greater contribution to the welfare and stability of the government of Viet-Nam. I am, accordingly, instructing the American Ambassador to Viet-Nam to examine with you in your capacity as Chief of Government, how an intelligent program of American aid given directly to your government can serve to assist Viet-Nam in its present hour of trial, provided that your Government is prepared to give assurances as to the standards of performance it would be able to maintain in the event such aid were supplied. The purpose of this offer is to assist the Government of Viet-Nam in developing and maintaining a strong, viable state, capable of resisting attempted subversion or aggression through military means. The Government of the United States expects that this aid will be met by performance on the part of the Government of Viet-Nam in undertaking needed reforms. It hopes that such aid, combined with your own continuing efforts, will contribute effectively toward an independent Viet-Nam endowed with a strong government. Such a government would, I hope, be so responsive to the nationalist aspirations of its people, so enlightened in purpose and effective in performance, that it will be respected both at home and abroad and discourage any who might wish to impose a foreign ideology on your free people. Sincerely, Dwight D. Eisenhower SOURCE: Department of State Bulletin. November 15, 1954, pp.735-736. |
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Chuck, I know you are not as stupid as you appear to be on this topic.
At least two boats were on every mission. In case one breaks down then they have the other one to tow it back or leave the broken boat and bring back the broken boats crew. OK, Bert. You do the math. Maybe you'll have better luck than some of the others. 250 guys all swearing to the same few incidents. You say there are *at least two* boats per mission. Certainly, and perhaps 3 or even 4 sometimes. Let's go with 4. 4 boats. 6 guys per boat. Looks like 24 "eyewitnesses" to me. Please tell me how I can become intelligent enough to believe that there were 250 guys on the scene. The people who served with Kerry day in and day out, who were directly under his command at the time, all say the charges are bull****. You guys have nothing, except wishful thinking inspired by a hateful attitude. We can clear all of this up if the medical records are released so that we can actually find out the extent and source of the wounds. Turn off the Limbaugh show. You're believing his swill about Kerry's records not being available. Kerry's military records are publicly available. Here's the link: http://www.johnkerry.com/about/john_...y_records.html can actually find out the extent and source of the wounds. and, Bert, if you look up the qualifications for the PH award (here's a link for that) http://www.purpleheart.org/Awd_of_PH.htm you will plainly see that the extent or severity of the wound is not a qualifying condition for receipt of the Purple Heart. You don't even have to be bleeding. The wound or injury must result from enemy action and must be treated by a medical officer. Kerry found a loop hole, getting three purple hearts, to get out early. Agreed. Better or worse loophole than having your Dad move you to the head of the line for admission to the Texas Air National Guard as a means to avoid being drafted? Better or worse loophole than refusing or flunking the drug test required for advanced combat flight training? Better or worse loophole than mysterious gaps in attendence and an officially sanctioned early dismissal to work on a political campaign in Alabama? Hard to say. Other than Bush the First, Carter, and Kennedy, have there been any presidents in the last 40 years with serious military experience? Ronald Reagan played a cavalry soldier in some old westerns, but I don't think that counts. :-) Really support our troops. Join "Soldiers for The Truth". http://www.sftt.org/ |
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Want to talk about backshooters? George Bush buddy Sun Myung Moon gave
nuclear weapons submarine sea-launch technology to North Korea in 1994. http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/Nukes.html http://home.earthlink.net/~zkkatz/page76.html Sun Myung Moon owns WASHINGTON TIMES NEWSPAPER Here's a guy the Republicans don't want us to know about. The Reverend Sun Myung Moon, head of the Unification Church and a self-declared Messiah from South Korea, is a major behind-the-scenes GOP player. His organization owns The Washington Times, the right-wing newspaper Ronald Reagan once called his favorite. Moon said he has pumped over $1 billion into the paper since the Church bought it in 1982. Those poor Moonies had to sell a lot of flowers! http://home.earthlink.net/~zkkatz/page18.html Most folks recognize Moon as a dangerous cult leader who has recruited, brainwashed, and enslaved thousands of unsuspecting students from college campuses since the 1970s. They also remember the mass weddings he conducted at Yankee and RFK stadiums where thousands of couples were brought together. Critics say church officials arranged the marriages to circumvent American immigration laws. Moon controls a multibillion dollar tax-free business empire. In the mid-1980s, he served a year in prison for tax evasion. A lesser known fact is that his business operations have competed for, and received, government contracts worth millions of dollars. No ordinary commercial operation can compete with a Moonie shop because you can't beat the low cost of slave labor. Moon says he's the only person in the world who knows all the secrets of God. Well, isn't he smart? He says he's been the Messiah ever since he ran into Jesus in Korea in 1936. He says Jesus asked him to take over the mission -- the one Moon says Jesus screwed up because He didn't get married. Moon continues his lifelong pursuit of recognition -- to be crowned the new world Messiah. But he has often complained, "look, I'm doing my best to be the Messiah. You try to be the Messiah." Look, Moonpie -- Jesus never bitched about it, so clam up! Moon came to the U.S. in the early 1970s. His organization is said to be not religious, but political. It has connections to South Korean intelligence operations designed to bolster the U.S. commitment to Seoul in case North Korea invades. His clout in Washington increased substantially during the Reagan administration because both Reagan and Moon are rabid anti-Communists. He has given millions of dollars to a number of Republicans. Paid speakers at his Family Federation for World Peace have included George Bush, William Bennett, Jack Kemp, and Ralph Reed. In the early 1990s, his organization funneled millions to Jerry Falwell's Liberty University when it was facing staggering debts. http://home.earthlink.net/~zkkatz/page19.html http://home.earthlink.net/~zkkatz/page31.html http://home.earthlink.net/~zkkatz/page53.html http://home.earthlink.net/~zkkatz/page75.html And Moon has strange ideas about sex. He's been married four times, but his followers say the first three marriages were not consummated and thus do not count. Moon once told a conference that misunderstandings about male and female sex organs have led to confusion. He said his theology dictates that the husband owns his wife's sex organs, and vice versa. So if my wife wants to castrate me, that's her right? And where does he stand on family values? In 1998, his daughter-in-law, Nansook Hong, told 60 Minutes that Moon had cheated on his wife and fathered an illegitimate son. She said he called it "providential affairs." That Moon's got a fancy word for everything, especially when he's been doing something naughty. Nansook also told of a brutal beating she got from her drug-and-alcohol-addicted husband when she was pregnant. Moon and his wife blamed her, saying it was her fate to suffer. Her fate? Well, screw that! So Nansook fled Moon's high-security compound in Tarrytown, New York, along with her five children. Moon also has an estranged daughter, Un-Jin. She supports her sister-in-law's story. And this guy says he's the new Messiah. Yeah, right. |
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Actually, not all say he was good. One of the crewman states he was a
chicken****, who ran all the time. This appears to be a crewman who served several tours on the river boats. Bill "Gould 0738" wrote in message ... Chuck, I know you are not as stupid as you appear to be on this topic. At least two boats were on every mission. In case one breaks down then they have the other one to tow it back or leave the broken boat and bring back the broken boats crew. OK, Bert. You do the math. Maybe you'll have better luck than some of the others. 250 guys all swearing to the same few incidents. You say there are *at least two* boats per mission. Certainly, and perhaps 3 or even 4 sometimes. Let's go with 4. 4 boats. 6 guys per boat. Looks like 24 "eyewitnesses" to me. Please tell me how I can become intelligent enough to believe that there were 250 guys on the scene. The people who served with Kerry day in and day out, who were directly under his command at the time, all say the charges are bull****. You guys have nothing, except wishful thinking inspired by a hateful attitude. We can clear all of this up if the medical records are released so that we can actually find out the extent and source of the wounds. Turn off the Limbaugh show. You're believing his swill about Kerry's records not being available. Kerry's military records are publicly available. Here's the link: http://www.johnkerry.com/about/john_...y_records.html can actually find out the extent and source of the wounds. and, Bert, if you look up the qualifications for the PH award (here's a link for that) http://www.purpleheart.org/Awd_of_PH.htm you will plainly see that the extent or severity of the wound is not a qualifying condition for receipt of the Purple Heart. You don't even have to be bleeding. The wound or injury must result from enemy action and must be treated by a medical officer. Kerry found a loop hole, getting three purple hearts, to get out early. Agreed. Better or worse loophole than having your Dad move you to the head of the line for admission to the Texas Air National Guard as a means to avoid being drafted? Better or worse loophole than refusing or flunking the drug test required for advanced combat flight training? Better or worse loophole than mysterious gaps in attendence and an officially sanctioned early dismissal to work on a political campaign in Alabama? Hard to say. Other than Bush the First, Carter, and Kennedy, have there been any presidents in the last 40 years with serious military experience? Ronald Reagan played a cavalry soldier in some old westerns, but I don't think that counts. :-) Really support our troops. Join "Soldiers for The Truth". http://www.sftt.org/ |
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Psalm 110 wrote:
Want to talk about backshooters? George Bush buddy Sun Myung Moon gave nuclear weapons submarine sea-launch technology to North Korea in 1994. http://www.ecosyn.us/adti/Nukes.html http://home.earthlink.net/~zkkatz/page76.html Sun Myung Moon owns WASHINGTON TIMES NEWSPAPER Here's a guy the Republicans don't want us to know about. The Reverend Sun Myung Moon, head of the Unification Church and a self-declared Messiah from South Korea, is a major behind-the-scenes GOP player. His organization owns The Washington Times, the right-wing newspaper Ronald Reagan once called his favorite. Moon said he has pumped over $1 billion into the paper since the Church bought it in 1982. Those poor Moonies had to sell a lot of flowers! http://home.earthlink.net/~zkkatz/page18.html Most folks recognize Moon as a dangerous cult leader who has recruited, brainwashed, and enslaved thousands of unsuspecting students from college campuses since the 1970s. They also remember the mass weddings he conducted at Yankee and RFK stadiums where thousands of couples were brought together. Critics say church officials arranged the marriages to circumvent American immigration laws. Moon controls a multibillion dollar tax-free business empire. In the mid-1980s, he served a year in prison for tax evasion. A lesser known fact is that his business operations have competed for, and received, government contracts worth millions of dollars. No ordinary commercial operation can compete with a Moonie shop because you can't beat the low cost of slave labor. Moon says he's the only person in the world who knows all the secrets of God. Well, isn't he smart? He says he's been the Messiah ever since he ran into Jesus in Korea in 1936. He says Jesus asked him to take over the mission -- the one Moon says Jesus screwed up because He didn't get married. Moon continues his lifelong pursuit of recognition -- to be crowned the new world Messiah. But he has often complained, "look, I'm doing my best to be the Messiah. You try to be the Messiah." Look, Moonpie -- Jesus never bitched about it, so clam up! Moon came to the U.S. in the early 1970s. His organization is said to be not religious, but political. It has connections to South Korean intelligence operations designed to bolster the U.S. commitment to Seoul in case North Korea invades. His clout in Washington increased substantially during the Reagan administration because both Reagan and Moon are rabid anti-Communists. He has given millions of dollars to a number of Republicans. Paid speakers at his Family Federation for World Peace have included George Bush, William Bennett, Jack Kemp, and Ralph Reed. In the early 1990s, his organization funneled millions to Jerry Falwell's Liberty University when it was facing staggering debts. http://home.earthlink.net/~zkkatz/page19.html http://home.earthlink.net/~zkkatz/page31.html http://home.earthlink.net/~zkkatz/page53.html http://home.earthlink.net/~zkkatz/page75.html And Moon has strange ideas about sex. He's been married four times, but his followers say the first three marriages were not consummated and thus do not count. Moon once told a conference that misunderstandings about male and female sex organs have led to confusion. He said his theology dictates that the husband owns his wife's sex organs, and vice versa. So if my wife wants to castrate me, that's her right? And where does he stand on family values? In 1998, his daughter-in-law, Nansook Hong, told 60 Minutes that Moon had cheated on his wife and fathered an illegitimate son. She said he called it "providential affairs." That Moon's got a fancy word for everything, especially when he's been doing something naughty. Nansook also told of a brutal beating she got from her drug-and-alcohol-addicted husband when she was pregnant. Moon and his wife blamed her, saying it was her fate to suffer. Her fate? Well, screw that! So Nansook fled Moon's high-security compound in Tarrytown, New York, along with her five children. Moon also has an estranged daughter, Un-Jin. She supports her sister-in-law's story. And this guy says he's the new Messiah. Yeah, right. Indeed, not only don't the GOP'ers like to talk about Moon, they like to read his newspaper. -- "There's an old saying in Tennessee - I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee - that says, fool me once, shame on - shame on you. Fool me - you can't get fooled again." -George W. Bush, Nashville, Tenn., Sept. 17, 2002 |
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On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 02:55:36 +0000, Gould 0738 wrote:
Other than Bush the First, Carter, and Kennedy, have there been any presidents in the last 40 years with serious military experience? Define "serious military experience". Besides Reagan and Clinton, I believe they all had some military service. Truman served in WWI. Eisenhower, Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon, Ford, and Bush I all served in WWII. |
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"basskisser" wrote in message Um, to which group of swift boat vets are you referring? If you are that damned stupid, stay out of the conversation. It's getting awfully tiring to have to explain every single sentence of every single post to you. For an explanation, please see the topic of the post, which is "Swift Boat Liars". THOSE would be the one's that I am talking about, seeing how that is the topic of this post. My, my; aren't we getting testy! But just who are "those?" There are currently two groups of swift boat veterans -- one group paid by the Democrats to tell one story, the other paid by the Republicans to tell another version. One of these groups of swift boat veterans is lying. To which group of swift boat veterans are you referring? Again, you are too ****ing stupid to understand. Now, go back and READ THE ORIGINAL POST. If it isn't painfully obvious to you which group of swift boat vets are being talked about here, then you are indeed beyond stupid. |
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On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 05:36:12 +0000, Calif Bill wrote:
Actually, not all say he was good. One of the crewman states he was a chicken****, who ran all the time. This appears to be a crewman who served several tours on the river boats. Bill Nine out of ten ain't bad. http://www.time.com/time/nation/arti...599034,00.html |
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Sir: Although I have read the transcript of Mr. Kerry's 1971 interview on this topic, I wonder if you'd be so kind as to provide some sort of documentation for these specific atrocities you claim were committed by the young LtJG Kerry. I have seen no such documentation--and it is not for lack of a diligent search on my part. Most sincerely, W.T. Hatch Documentation that he claimed to commit these atrocities or that he actually performed the deeds? |
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So when you look at Kerrys admission that he committed the atrocities to which he referred (cutting off heads, ears, rape, burning villages etc.) you feel that shows a strength of character??? Hey...it's the military. And that makes it OK?? |
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"basskisser" wrote in message Again, you are too ****ing stupid to understand. Now, go back and READ THE ORIGINAL POST. If it isn't painfully obvious to you which group of swift boat vets are being talked about here, then you are indeed beyond stupid. Golly, bass, you have really picked up your Harry lessons well, as evidenced by your constant stream of personal insult whenever you can't or don't want to respond to a query. Harry should be well pleased, imitation and flattery and all that. Unfortunately, as with Harry, it does little to advance the flow of information. Your earlier post, to which you referred me with such vitriol, says only "...other than what the swift boat vets are being paid to say?" This is non-specific, as there are two groups being paid to say different things. My simple question is, "which swift boat vets", posed for the reasons aforementioned. Now, I gather from your positions on other matters that you are an unhesitating and unquestioning Democrat supporter, so I'm guessing that you just naturally presume the anti-Kerry swift boat vets to be the paid group that is lying, and that the other paid group is being truthful. I simply asked for a clarification from you, that's all. If you're uncomfortable or self-conscious having to state an unequivocal position, I guess I can understand. |
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Actually, not all say he was good. One of the crewman states he was a chicken****, who ran all the time. This appears to be a crewman who served several tours on the river boats. Bill Proof? |
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And would you like to tell us which right wing president drug us into
that mess to support the right wing dictators??? Sure. Eisenhower's Letter of Support to Ngo Dinh Diem, October 23, 1954. Uh-huh - and how deep did he involve us compared to his next two successors??? That's a separate question. Posing that second question does not change the answer to the first. Ike was the president who made a commitment to defend South Viet Nam- therefore it can be accurately and fairly stated that a "right wing" president initiated our involvement there. We already had "advisors" on the ground when Kennedy took office in January of 1961. |
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On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 15:21:28 +0000, Gould 0738 wrote:
Thanks. I didn't know that Johnson, Nixon, Ford, had served in WWII. All Navy. http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Lyndon_B._Johnson http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Richard_Nixon http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Gerald_Ford |
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"John Gaquin" wrote in message ...
"basskisser" wrote in message Again, you are too ****ing stupid to understand. Now, go back and READ THE ORIGINAL POST. If it isn't painfully obvious to you which group of swift boat vets are being talked about here, then you are indeed beyond stupid. Golly, bass, you have really picked up your Harry lessons well, as evidenced by your constant stream of personal insult whenever you can't or don't want to respond to a query. I must apologize. I just get sick and tired of having to explain things, which should be obvious to someone who feels the need to interject into a thread. If someone is going to join a thread, it's my feeling they should have at least an inkling about what they are talking about. Harry should be well pleased, imitation and flattery and all that. Unfortunately, as with Harry, it does little to advance the flow of information. Your earlier post, to which you referred me with such vitriol, says only "...other than what the swift boat vets are being paid to say?" This is non-specific, as there are two groups being paid to say different things. No, there is only one group getting paid for their political views. That makes your argument completely invalid. My simple question is, "which swift boat vets", posed for the reasons aforementioned. Now, I gather from your positions on other matters that you are an unhesitating and unquestioning Democrat supporter, Once again, you are wrong. I've voted for Republicans, independents, and Democrats before, and probably will again. I leave my mind open. so I'm guessing that you just naturally presume the anti-Kerry swift boat vets to be the paid group that is lying, and that the other paid group is being truthful. One of the group has already admitted that they told lies upon lies. That would be proof. What proof do you have that the pro-Kerry swift boat vets are lying? By the way, one group calls themselves the swift boat vets, the others call themselves something else. This is yet another clue that you should have picked up on, but failed. So again, I had to answer dumb questions that didn't need to be asked. I simply asked for a clarification from you, that's all. If you're uncomfortable or self-conscious having to state an unequivocal position, I guess I can understand. I've stated my case above. I truly hope you DO understand, but somehow, I doubt it. |
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"basskisser" wrote in message om... "Calif Bill" wrote in message hlink.net... Actually, not all say he was good. One of the crewman states he was a chicken****, who ran all the time. This appears to be a crewman who served several tours on the river boats. Bill Proof? Pay attention to the news. Do not look to wrecked.boats for all your input. http://www.time.com/time/nation/arti...599034,00.html |
Swift Boat Liars
"basskisser" wrote in message I must apologize. I just get sick and tired of having to explain things, But you haven't explained anything. No, there is only one group getting paid for their political views. I'd love to see documentation on that. Although, I doubt seriously that all Kerry's former crewmembers are paying their own way along the campaign trail, in which case the "Swift Boat Veterans for Truth" would be the group that is *not* being paid for their political views. Do you concur? I've stated my case above. I truly hope you DO understand, but somehow, I doubt it. Gee, this is fun! No matter what or how I ask, you give the same tap-dance answers, which say nothing. That might work in Georgia, but it is not generally successful in serious conversation. Consequently, the only place I encounter this tactic is in exchanges with you, or Harry, and some few others on this NG. |
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On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 07:49:46 -0700, W.T. Hatch
wrote: On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 12:41:14 GMT, (Tom) wrote: Sir: Although I have read the transcript of Mr. Kerry's 1971 interview on this topic, I wonder if you'd be so kind as to provide some sort of documentation for these specific atrocities you claim were committed by the young LtJG Kerry. I have seen no such documentation--and it is not for lack of a diligent search on my part. Most sincerely, W.T. Hatch Documentation that he claimed to commit these atrocities or that he actually performed the deeds? Kerry admitted to performing or observing these acts himself on live television. Now, either he is telling the truth and is guilty of war crimes, or he lied about it which amounts to filing false claims. You decide which. Dave |
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"John Gaquin" wrote in message ...
"basskisser" wrote in message I must apologize. I just get sick and tired of having to explain things, But you haven't explained anything. No, there is only one group getting paid for their political views. I'd love to see documentation on that. Although, I doubt seriously that all Kerry's former crewmembers are paying their own way along the campaign trail, in which case the "Swift Boat Veterans for Truth" would be the group that is *not* being paid for their political views. Do you concur? I've stated my case above. I truly hope you DO understand, but somehow, I doubt it. Gee, this is fun! No matter what or how I ask, you give the same tap-dance answers, which say nothing. That might work in Georgia, but it is not generally successful in serious conversation. Consequently, the only place I encounter this tactic is in exchanges with you, or Harry, and some few others on this NG. Holy, ****, John, are you REALLY saying that you STILL don't understand which group I'm talking about? REALLY???? |
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basskisser wrote:
"John Gaquin" wrote in message ... "basskisser" wrote in message I must apologize. I just get sick and tired of having to explain things, But you haven't explained anything. No, there is only one group getting paid for their political views. I'd love to see documentation on that. Although, I doubt seriously that all Kerry's former crewmembers are paying their own way along the campaign trail, in which case the "Swift Boat Veterans for Truth" would be the group that is *not* being paid for their political views. Do you concur? I've stated my case above. I truly hope you DO understand, but somehow, I doubt it. Gee, this is fun! No matter what or how I ask, you give the same tap-dance answers, which say nothing. That might work in Georgia, but it is not generally successful in serious conversation. Consequently, the only place I encounter this tactic is in exchanges with you, or Harry, and some few others on this NG. Holy, ****, John, are you REALLY saying that you STILL don't understand which group I'm talking about? REALLY???? Serious question: how long do you think it will take President Kerry to clean up the awful mess left behind when Bush leaves the White House in January? It's going to take years on the diplomatic front...and some time to undo Bush's damage to the environment, to health care, to the infrastructure... It's going to take at least two terms of Kerry, two terms of Edwards or Barack Obama and...well, after that, I probably won't care. -- "There's an old saying in Tennessee - I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee - that says, fool me once, shame on - shame on you. Fool me - you can't get fooled again." -George W. Bush, Nashville, Tenn., Sept. 17, 2002 |
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"basskisser" wrote in message Holy, ****, John, are you REALLY saying that you STILL don't understand which group I'm talking about? REALLY???? By God, this is fun! You never get it! |
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