On 17 Jul 2003 18:09:49 GMT, Ignoramus30093
wrote:

In article , JohnH wrote:
On 17 Jul 2003 17:12:00 GMT, Ignoramus30093
wrote:

Much snipped.

Wow. I need 4wd a lot. For example: our driveway has a little bit of
incline, not much but substantial.

I drive into our garage back first. On many winter days, the only way
I can drive up that way is with a 4wd engaged.

Or, when I push my boat into my driveway going backwards, I need to
drive on my lawn occasionally. In such nistances, I also engage 4wd or
the real wheels would tear the grass out.

Pulling boats is very easy with 4wd.

Once I decided to cross a grassy median on a split highway, and got
stuck in the mud. With 2wd, I would be in deep doodoo and would get a
ticket. With 4wd, I just drove out of it (barely).

I am not into "offroading", meaning going where I am not supposed to
go. But 4wd is necessary for me personally.

Where do you live? I'm in the Wash DC area, and Butch is in Richmond. Not too
hilly around here, although I have seen some pretty steep driveways.

John
On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD

In article , JohnH wrote:
On 17 Jul 2003 18:09:49 GMT, Ignoramus30093
wrote:

In article , JohnH wrote:
On 17 Jul 2003 17:12:00 GMT, Ignoramus30093
wrote:

Much snipped.

Wow. I need 4wd a lot. For example: our driveway has a little bit of
incline, not much but substantial.

I drive into our garage back first. On many winter days, the only way
I can drive up that way is with a 4wd engaged.

Or, when I push my boat into my driveway going backwards, I need to
drive on my lawn occasionally. In such nistances, I also engage 4wd or
the real wheels would tear the grass out.

Pulling boats is very easy with 4wd.

Once I decided to cross a grassy median on a split highway, and got
stuck in the mud. With 2wd, I would be in deep doodoo and would get a
ticket. With 4wd, I just drove out of it (barely).

I am not into "offroading", meaning going where I am not supposed to
go. But 4wd is necessary for me personally.

Where do you live? I'm in the Wash DC area, and Butch is in Richmond. Not too
hilly around here, although I have seen some pretty steep driveways.

John
On the 'Poco Loco' out of Deale, MD

I live in northern IL. Myt driveway is not very steep actually, but it
is slippery hen fresh snow falls.

i

Good evening and thanks for all the replies....

To Igor, Gregg, and others: The brake rotors and stuff on the old Ranger is a
major B*TCH... Trust me... I pulled them once and vowed to never ever do it
again. It's got the electronic 4x4 with all those cam assemblies and needle
thrust bearings and other components. You have disassemble all that stuff to
get the brake rotors off. Besides all that, the tranny chatters when trying to
accelerate fast on the highway. If I get stuck in bumper-bumper traffic, the
front brakes get hot and cause the front bearings to start stinking. Trust
me... I checked "Kelly Blue Book" on the internet and honestly entered the
info about my Ranger. An '87 Ranger 4x4 with 139,000 in fair condition
displayed a resale value of "NONE"!!!!!!!!!! I wanted to die when I saw that!

......SO ANYWAY......

It's a done deal. I kissed my old beloved '87 Ford Ranger 4x4 Supercab goodbye
this evening after dinner.

......Drum roll please.....

I decided to get the 2000 Chevy Silverado 1500 shortbed with the 4.8L Vortec V8
engine. They gave me $500 for the Ranger and I plunked down another $500 to
the Silverado. Then I purchased an extended 24 month, 24000 mile warranty.

This truck is sweet!!! That 1st gear is one low torque SOB too. I could get
outside and walk alongside the Silverado! ha ha ha ha.... Man, there is a
major difference between the Ford 2.9L V6 and the Chevy 4.8L V8!!!!!! Now I
finally have a truck with an engine that is bigger than my boat - not the other
way around! ha ha ha...

Butch Ammon

On 17 Jul 2003 15:43:00 GMT, 123 (Butch Ammon) wrote:

Hello there...

Well, the fateful day is fast approaching. You all know I have that old beatup
'87 Ford Ranger 4x4 (hey it's old, dinged, scratched - but it has
character!)...

My old Ranger has 139,000 miles, automatic tranny is messing up, it's got a
hole in the muffler, the A/C unit hasn't worked in 6-7 years, and just now it
developed a hairline stress fracture in the right side front brake rotor. I
refuse to pay $300+ bucks to get new brake rotors - because it's a 4x4 and the
labor is a killer.

Anyway, I desperately need a new pickup truck, and one with power to tow my
boat with. I absolutely refuse to get a new truck. I mean, I won't even look
at a 2003 Chevy, Ford, Dodge at around $35,000 only to drive it off the dealer
lot and have it worth $28,000 or thereabouts.

My wife and I have a 99 GMC Jimmy 4x4 which is really nice, but doesn't have a
trailer hitch for the boat. We also bought our daughters a 98 Chevy Cavalier
for them to share and run around town, go to work, and drive it to school in
September, etc... We just have to get something for ME!

Why not just put a hitch on the Jimmy and replace the Ranger with a car?
The Jimmy is probably just as capable a tow vehicle as the Ranger was.
Or do you really need a pickup for something other than towing your
boat?

Steve

Mucho Congrats amigo on the new tow'er!! Glad you are mucho happy!!!!!!!
Best wishes and hope for many years of good Service :-)

Capt Jack R..

ps keep the 165 alive :-)


Thanks, Capt Jack! Now I feel "balanced" I guess I could say. Now I have a
powerful truck that is a Chevy. The old boat (Lady J) with the 165hp
Mercruiser, technically is a Chevy small block 250cu. So, I have a "Chevy
pulling a Chevy" kind of thing. Ha ha ha.... I think someone told me that the
old Chevy 250cu mathmatically equates to a modern day 4.1L inline 6. So the
engine in the boat is way bigger than the small 2.9L in the old Ranger.

When I woke up this morning, and grabbed some coffee, I looked out my window
and saw the new(er) Chevy Silverado sitting out front. It made me kind of miss
my old '87 Ford Ranger. I mean, I drove the **** out of that Ranger for
decades. But, it's time has come and would cost way more than it's worth to
fix it up.

Well, I gotta get offline here and head into work..... Happy boating!

Butch Ammon

Jack Redington wrote in message ...
Butch Ammon wrote:

Good evening and thanks for all the replies....

To Igor, Gregg, and others: The brake rotors and stuff on the old Ranger is a
major B*TCH... Trust me... I pulled them once and vowed to never ever do it
again. It's got the electronic 4x4 with all those cam assemblies and needle
thrust bearings and other components. You have disassemble all that stuff to
get the brake rotors off. Besides all that, the tranny chatters when trying to
accelerate fast on the highway. If I get stuck in bumper-bumper traffic, the
front brakes get hot and cause the front bearings to start stinking. Trust
me... I checked "Kelly Blue Book" on the internet and honestly entered the
info about my Ranger. An '87 Ranger 4x4 with 139,000 in fair condition
displayed a resale value of "NONE"!!!!!!!!!! I wanted to die when I saw that!

.....SO ANYWAY......

It's a done deal. I kissed my old beloved '87 Ford Ranger 4x4 Supercab goodbye
this evening after dinner.

.....Drum roll please.....

I decided to get the 2000 Chevy Silverado 1500 shortbed with the 4.8L Vortec V8
engine. They gave me $500 for the Ranger and I plunked down another $500 to
the Silverado. Then I purchased an extended 24 month, 24000 mile warranty.

This truck is sweet!!! That 1st gear is one low torque SOB too. I could get
outside and walk alongside the Silverado! ha ha ha ha.... Man, there is a
major difference between the Ford 2.9L V6 and the Chevy 4.8L V8!!!!!! Now I
finally have a truck with an engine that is bigger than my boat - not the other
way around! ha ha ha...

Butch Ammon
Mucho Congrats amigo on the new tow'er!! Glad you are mucho happy!!!!!!!
Best wishes and hope for many years of good Service :-)

Capt Jack R..

ps keep the 165 alive :-)

need advice.

"Joe" wrote in message
...

"Doug Kanter" wrote in message
...
Toyota. I was just at my dealer's yesterday and mentioned to the
salesperson
I dealt with that a friend was looking for a used Toyota pickup. She
said
there were quite a few program vehicles around, from the leasing madness
of
the past couple of years. Check your local Toyota dealer. Tacomas have a
pretty beefy V6, and Tundras have a V8.

As a side benefit, Toyota uses actual instruments to design and measure
engine manufacturing tolerances, instead of plastic kindergarten rulers
like
the American manufacturers. 5, 8, 10 yrs down the line, your motor won't
be
choking the drivers behind you, or YOU, as you work with your trailer
downwind from the truck.
-Doug


Hey! We actually agree on something other than guns!

Nothing like a Toyota.


Yeah, but you probably paid extra to have yours painted pink.

Hey! We actually agree on something other than guns!

Nothing like a Toyota.


Yeah, but you probably paid extra to have yours painted pink.


I have one socialist berating me for once being a lowly auto mechanic, and
now you insinuating that I'm gay.
(not that there's anything wrong with that)

You liberals sure think and act differently when nobody's looking.

"Joe" wrote in message
...

Hey! We actually agree on something other than guns!

Nothing like a Toyota.


Yeah, but you probably paid extra to have yours painted pink.


I have one socialist berating me for once being a lowly auto mechanic, and
now you insinuating that I'm gay.
(not that there's anything wrong with that)


Actually, it's logical. You right wing types support all sorts of
totalitarian measures, just like the old leaders of the Soviet Union.
Communists...pinkos....pink! Voila! But, don't take it too seriously. I have
very high regard for car mechanics, or at least the ones I don't want to
shoot. :-)

On 18 Jul 2003 02:00:17 GMT, 123 (Butch Ammon) wrote:

Good evening and thanks for all the replies....

To Igor, Gregg, and others: The brake rotors and stuff on the old Ranger is a
major B*TCH... Trust me... I pulled them once and vowed to never ever do it
again. It's got the electronic 4x4 with all those cam assemblies and needle
thrust bearings and other components. You have disassemble all that stuff to
get the brake rotors off. Besides all that, the tranny chatters when trying to
accelerate fast on the highway. If I get stuck in bumper-bumper traffic, the
front brakes get hot and cause the front bearings to start stinking. Trust
me... I checked "Kelly Blue Book" on the internet and honestly entered the
info about my Ranger. An '87 Ranger 4x4 with 139,000 in fair condition
displayed a resale value of "NONE"!!!!!!!!!! I wanted to die when I saw that!

.....SO ANYWAY......

It's a done deal. I kissed my old beloved '87 Ford Ranger 4x4 Supercab goodbye
this evening after dinner.

.....Drum roll please.....

I decided to get the 2000 Chevy Silverado 1500 shortbed with the 4.8L Vortec V8
engine. They gave me $500 for the Ranger and I plunked down another $500 to
the Silverado. Then I purchased an extended 24 month, 24000 mile warranty.

This truck is sweet!!! That 1st gear is one low torque SOB too. I could get
outside and walk alongside the Silverado! ha ha ha ha.... Man, there is a
major difference between the Ford 2.9L V6 and the Chevy 4.8L V8!!!!!! Now I
finally have a truck with an engine that is bigger than my boat - not the other
way around! ha ha ha...

Butch Ammon

Congratulations! The 4.8 is a good engine.
You should have no problems towing your boat.
noah

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