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On Fri, 23 Apr 2021 22:10:39 -0000 (UTC), Keyser Soze
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Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 4/22/2021 5:38 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 4/22/21 5:30 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 22 Apr 2021 15:45:04 -0400 (EDT), justan wrote:

Keyser Söze Wrote in message:r
So, I am playing around with a "new" version of Windoze 10 rewritten
for ARM CPUs, and while it works ok, it is just as clunky as I
remember Windoze 7 being. Just messing with it because there are a
few computer games I like from a decade or so ago that were never
neatly ported over to Macs directly or via STEAM. Windows is like
WORD for Windows...just completely too complex and overblown. Blech.
I'm running Windoze on my MacBook via Parallels 16.5, which does work
nicely.-- * Lock up Trump and his family of grifters. *

Ask Greg if he'd sell you* an XP machine.

I will give him one for the shipping but I thinned out the herd a
while ago and most of them are gone.

I have a W/98 laptop I am not using these days. It has a SCSI card and
everything.* ;-)
I used to use it on my 11x14 scanner. I don't use that anymore. It is
also my FAX machine. I don't use that either.

OTOH I can boot up native DOS 6.3 and W/3.1 on this machine just by
moving the boot pointer to my FAT drive.

I still have an XP laptop but it is mostly to hook up to my outboard
and cars. It has the software for OBDII and YDIS on it. I am not sure
if that will run on 7 or not but I don't feel like screwing with
something that works.


Windoze 10 runs nicely under Parallels 16.5 on my MacBook Air. Runs
really fast, too...the Parallels folks have stepped up to the plate. I
still don't like Windoze as an OS because it is just too fattttt and
clunky, but it is easy enough to setup and run. In fact, once I "told"
Parallels to install the Windoze ARM file, the entire process was fast
and required no attention from me. I'm only going to use the Windoze
setup to run a few of my old, favorite games.

Gave up my FAX machine years ago. I use FAXzero on the rare occasions
three times a year when I have an outgoing FAX. My scanner uses
USB...don't recall ever using a SCSI scanner.


I bought Mrs.E a small HP laptop with Win 10 over a year ago. She never
used it because all she uses now is her iPhone.

She gave it back to me yesterday and I set it up in my shed. It had not
been on for 444 days and needed all the updates since then that took
almost three hours to download and install.

Works great now. I have it hooked via HDMI to a 50" flatscreen on the
shed wall. Bought a WiFi extender and get a super strong connection.

Kinda nice because now I can watch all programming on Xfinity Stream,
NetFlix and Amazon Prime along with browsing and reading news and stuff.

Other than the long updating process, it works great.




Typically, a full OS update on a Mac takes a half hour or less.


I bet you update more than every 444 days ;-)

I know when I was loading XP, if I started with an SP2 disk and put
SP3 on it from CD then turned updates loose it was a take a nap sort
of thing. I usually started it and went to bed but that was 6 years of
updates. 137 as I recall. It rebooted several times.

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True North wrote:
On Saturday, 24 April 2021 at 10:29:54 UTC-3, True North wrote:
On Saturday, 24 April 2021 at 09:43:55 UTC-3, undefined wrote:
On 4/24/21 5:11 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 4/23/2021 5:30 PM, True North wrote:
On Friday, 23 April 2021 at 16:52:45 UTC-3, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 4/22/2021 5:38 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 4/22/21 5:30 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 22 Apr 2021 15:45:04 -0400 (EDT), justan wrote:

Keyser Söze Wrote in message:r
So, I am playing around with a "new" version of Windoze 10 rewritten
for ARM CPUs, and while it works ok, it is just as clunky as I
remember Windoze 7 being. Just messing with it because there are a
few computer games I like from a decade or so ago that were never
neatly ported over to Macs directly or via STEAM. Windows is like
WORD for Windows...just completely too complex and overblown. Blech.
I'm running Windoze on my MacBook via Parallels 16.5, which does work
nicely.-- * Lock up Trump and his family of grifters. *
Ask Greg if he'd sell you an XP machine.
I will give him one for the shipping but I thinned out the herd a
while ago and most of them are gone.

I have a W/98 laptop I am not using these days. It has a SCSI card and
everything. ;-)
I used to use it on my 11x14 scanner. I don't use that anymore. It is
also my FAX machine. I don't use that either.

OTOH I can boot up native DOS 6.3 and W/3.1 on this machine just by
moving the boot pointer to my FAT drive.

I still have an XP laptop but it is mostly to hook up to my outboard
and cars. It has the software for OBDII and YDIS on it. I am not sure
if that will run on 7 or not but I don't feel like screwing with
something that works.

Windoze 10 runs nicely under Parallels 16.5 on my MacBook Air. Runs
really fast, too...the Parallels folks have stepped up to the plate. I
still don't like Windoze as an OS because it is just too fattttt and
clunky, but it is easy enough to setup and run. In fact, once I "told"
Parallels to install the Windoze ARM file, the entire process was fast
and required no attention from me. I'm only going to use the Windoze
setup to run a few of my old, favorite games.

Gave up my FAX machine years ago. I use FAXzero on the rare occasions
three times a year when I have an outgoing FAX. My scanner uses
USB...don't recall ever using a SCSI scanner.

I bought Mrs.E a small HP laptop with Win 10 over a year ago. She never
used it because all she uses now is her iPhone.

She gave it back to me yesterday and I set it up in my shed. It had not
been on for 444 days and needed all the updates since then that took
almost three hours to download and install.

Works great now. I have it hooked via HDMI to a 50" flatscreen on the
shed wall. Bought a WiFi extender and get a super strong connection.

Kinda nice because now I can watch all programming on Xfinity Stream,
NetFlix and Amazon Prime along with browsing and reading news and stuff.

Other than the long updating process, it works great.



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Does that shed have minimal heat all winter?
I'd be concerned about dampness up here.


One of my projects last summer was to totally insulate it.
It's a fairly large shed, big enough for work benches plus
a built-in desk with a large flat panel TV on the wall.

I bought a 20,000 BTU propane heater that operates on
a thermostat. Keeps the shed nice and toasty in the
winter, even with outdoor temps in single digits.

I don't leave the heater on when I am not in the shed
but it only takes 10-15 minutes to raise the temp up
to 70 (F) or more. Because of the insulation, it
doesn't lose everything at night when the heater is off.


Thats great. If your weather ever gets as bad as it does in Halifax, you'll
be ready for it. ;-)

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Duh!
Richard probably gets a bit more privacy of the colder weather than we do. Since we're almost surrounded by the Atlantic, our weather is moderated by it. Dampness and high winds are probably worse up here. Snow, on the other hand, might be similar since most of our storms seem to come up from the Boston states.


What the 'ell? Spell check put "privacy" in. Must be a repugnant program


User error.
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On Sat, 24 Apr 2021 08:39:57 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 4/23/2021 5:30 PM, True North wrote:
On Friday, 23 April 2021 at 16:52:45 UTC-3, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 4/22/2021 5:38 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 4/22/21 5:30 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 22 Apr 2021 15:45:04 -0400 (EDT), justan wrote:

Keyser Söze Wrote in message:r
So, I am playing around with a "new" version of Windoze 10 rewritten
for ARM CPUs, and while it works ok, it is just as clunky as I
remember Windoze 7 being. Just messing with it because there are a
few computer games I like from a decade or so ago that were never
neatly ported over to Macs directly or via STEAM. Windows is like
WORD for Windows...just completely too complex and overblown. Blech.
I'm running Windoze on my MacBook via Parallels 16.5, which does work
nicely.-- * Lock up Trump and his family of grifters. *

Ask Greg if he'd sell you an XP machine.

I will give him one for the shipping but I thinned out the herd a
while ago and most of them are gone.

I have a W/98 laptop I am not using these days. It has a SCSI card and
everything. ;-)
I used to use it on my 11x14 scanner. I don't use that anymore. It is
also my FAX machine. I don't use that either.

OTOH I can boot up native DOS 6.3 and W/3.1 on this machine just by
moving the boot pointer to my FAT drive.

I still have an XP laptop but it is mostly to hook up to my outboard
and cars. It has the software for OBDII and YDIS on it. I am not sure
if that will run on 7 or not but I don't feel like screwing with
something that works.


Windoze 10 runs nicely under Parallels 16.5 on my MacBook Air. Runs
really fast, too...the Parallels folks have stepped up to the plate. I
still don't like Windoze as an OS because it is just too fattttt and
clunky, but it is easy enough to setup and run. In fact, once I "told"
Parallels to install the Windoze ARM file, the entire process was fast
and required no attention from me. I'm only going to use the Windoze
setup to run a few of my old, favorite games.

Gave up my FAX machine years ago. I use FAXzero on the rare occasions
three times a year when I have an outgoing FAX. My scanner uses
USB...don't recall ever using a SCSI scanner.

I bought Mrs.E a small HP laptop with Win 10 over a year ago. She never
used it because all she uses now is her iPhone.

She gave it back to me yesterday and I set it up in my shed. It had not
been on for 444 days and needed all the updates since then that took
almost three hours to download and install.

Works great now. I have it hooked via HDMI to a 50" flatscreen on the
shed wall. Bought a WiFi extender and get a super strong connection.

Kinda nice because now I can watch all programming on Xfinity Stream,
NetFlix and Amazon Prime along with browsing and reading news and stuff.

Other than the long updating process, it works great.



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Does that shed have minimal heat all winter?
I'd be concerned about dampness up here.


I use the shed just about every day for something.
Sometimes it's just sitting watching TV.
So, I put the heater on in the morning. Once it
gets warm inside, it stays warm for quite a while,
even with the heater off.
No problems with dampness.


I think I would set it back to 40 or so all the time. With any heat at
all I doubt moisture is your problem. I would be way more worried
about ESD. That RH has to be 20 or something. I forgot about that in
Colorado and fried a USB port in one of my laptops. Fortunately I had
a USB PCMCIA card in my bag of tricks so I didn't lose much. It is
still running playing the slide show in the Tiki bar

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On Sat, 24 Apr 2021 15:31:39 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 4/24/2021 12:46 PM, wrote:
On Friday, April 23, 2021 at 6:54:14 PM UTC-4, Bill wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 4/22/2021 5:38 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 4/22/21 5:30 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 22 Apr 2021 15:45:04 -0400 (EDT), justan wrote:

Keyser Söze Wrote in message:r
So, I am playing around with a "new" version of Windoze 10 rewritten
for ARM CPUs, and while it works ok, it is just as clunky as I
remember Windoze 7 being. Just messing with it because there are a
few computer games I like from a decade or so ago that were never
neatly ported over to Macs directly or via STEAM. Windows is like
WORD for Windows...just completely too complex and overblown. Blech.
I'm running Windoze on my MacBook via Parallels 16.5, which does work
nicely.-- * Lock up Trump and his family of grifters. *

Ask Greg if he'd sell you an XP machine.

I will give him one for the shipping but I thinned out the herd a
while ago and most of them are gone.

I have a W/98 laptop I am not using these days. It has a SCSI card and
everything. ;-)
I used to use it on my 11x14 scanner. I don't use that anymore. It is
also my FAX machine. I don't use that either.

OTOH I can boot up native DOS 6.3 and W/3.1 on this machine just by
moving the boot pointer to my FAT drive.

I still have an XP laptop but it is mostly to hook up to my outboard
and cars. It has the software for OBDII and YDIS on it. I am not sure
if that will run on 7 or not but I don't feel like screwing with
something that works.


Windoze 10 runs nicely under Parallels 16.5 on my MacBook Air. Runs
really fast, too...the Parallels folks have stepped up to the plate. I
still don't like Windoze as an OS because it is just too fattttt and
clunky, but it is easy enough to setup and run. In fact, once I "told"
Parallels to install the Windoze ARM file, the entire process was fast
and required no attention from me. I'm only going to use the Windoze
setup to run a few of my old, favorite games.

Gave up my FAX machine years ago. I use FAXzero on the rare occasions
three times a year when I have an outgoing FAX. My scanner uses
USB...don't recall ever using a SCSI scanner.


I bought Mrs.E a small HP laptop with Win 10 over a year ago. She never
used it because all she uses now is her iPhone.

She gave it back to me yesterday and I set it up in my shed. It had not
been on for 444 days and needed all the updates since then that took
almost three hours to download and install.

Works great now. I have it hooked via HDMI to a 50" flatscreen on the
shed wall. Bought a WiFi extender and get a super strong connection.

Kinda nice because now I can watch all programming on Xfinity Stream,
NetFlix and Amazon Prime along with browsing and reading news and stuff.

Other than the long updating process, it works great.




Typically, a full OS update on a Mac takes a half hour or less.


But if you add in all the Apps, a lot longer.


He's not really talking about a "full" OS update, that's just a small, incremental update on a Mac. Luddite was updating a PC that hadn't been updated for nearly 1-1/2 years. Huge difference. PC incremental updates are 2-5 minutes, and a huge OS release is 20-30 minutes.
Having worked with both platforms, side-by-side in corporate environment, a Mac is only marginally better about needing updates. That's driven by the fact the PC's are targeted continually by hackers, and Mac's aren't. Mac users are in the extreme minority.

"Statistics show that Microsoft Windows has approximately 91% of the market share, while the Apple Mac OS has around 5% of the market share. The other 4% is owned by other operating systems such as Linux."

Why would a hacker waste their time on the Mac platform? Write a hack that can hit 91% of the market, or one that can get just 5%?

And why the huge disparity in market share? In the past, Macs had better graphics and were superior game machines, but at a hefty cost. If you needed to do work, PC's were your obvious choice. Now the graphics performance is even, so there's not much of a reason to go with a Mac anymore, except to be different. Hell, people

with Macs are running Windows on them so they can run Windows programs! Can you say "duh"?


I think you're right. I just got a Windows notice about two more
updates that needed to be installed. They are automatically
downloaded but not installed until you do a "restart" (re-boot).

The two additional updates took about 10 minutes for both.

My Internet service isn't the fastest available but it's not
the slowest. It's advertised as being over 100 mbs. I've done
speed checks and during the busiest time of the day it typically
runs at about 80mbs. I've seen it go as high as 130 or so though.

It seems fast enough for two smart TVs for streaming stuff, two
computers (although one is connected via ethernet cable), and two
smartphones.

For some reason the data rate to the extender is slightly higher
than to the main router (or "Gateway" as they now call it).

Xfinity claims the X1 Gateway we have is capable of 1 gigabytes/sec.

Don't see any reason for that.


The 1 gig thing is talking about the LAN. I have 1gb switches on a lot
of my network too. There is one leg that has old stuff on it and runs
at 100mb. The 1gb is good if you are file sharing tho.
Your WAN (the internet side of the "gate") still runs at the speed of
your connection. Then you have the WiFi part and that speed depends on
the protocol. (2.4mz or 5mz and the different modes in each)

This will tell you all about it.
https://www.intel.com/content/www/us...-products.html
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True North wrote: On Saturday, 24 April 2021 at 10:29:54 UTC-3, True North wrote: On Saturday, 24 April 2021 at 09:43:55 UTC-3, undefined wrote: On 4/24/21 5:11 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 4/23/2021 5:30 PM, True North wrote: On Friday, 23 April 2021 at 16:52:45 UTC-3, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 4/22/2021 5:38 PM, Keyser Sze wrote: On 4/22/21 5:30 PM, wrote: On Thu, 22 Apr 2021 15:45:04 -0400 (EDT), justan wrote: Keyser Sze Wrote in message:r So, I am playing around with a "new" version of Windoze 10 rewritten for ARM CPUs, and while it works ok, it is just as clunky as I remember Windoze 7 being. Just messing with it because there are a few computer games I like from a decade or so ago that were never neatly ported over to Macs directly or via STEAM. Windows is like WORD for Windows...just completely too complex and overblown. Blech. I'm running Windoze on my MacBook via Parallels 16.5, which does work nicely.-- * Lock up Trump and his family of grifters. * Ask Greg if he'd sell you an XP machine. I will give him one for the shipping but I thinned out the herd a while ago and most of them are gone. I have a W/98 laptop I am not using these days. It has a SCSI card and everything. ;-) I used to use it on my 11x14 scanner. I don't use that anymore. It is also my FAX machine. I don't use that either. OTOH I can boot up native DOS 6.3 and W/3.1 on this machine just by moving the boot pointer to my FAT drive. I still have an XP laptop but it is mostly to hook up to my outboard and cars. It has the software for OBDII and YDIS on it. I am not sure if that will run on 7 or not but I don't feel like screwing with something that works. Windoze 10 runs nicely under Parallels 16.5 on my MacBook Air. Runs really fast, too...the Parallels folks have stepped up to the plate. I still don't like Windoze as an OS because it is just too fattttt and clunky, but it is easy enough to setup and run. In fact, once I "told" Parallels to install the Windoze ARM file, the entire process was fast and required no attention from me. I'm only going to use the Windoze setup to run a few of my old, favorite games. Gave up my FAX machine years ago. I use FAXzero on the rare occasions three times a year when I have an outgoing FAX. My scanner uses USB...don't recall ever using a SCSI scanner. I bought Mrs.E a small HP laptop with Win 10 over a year ago. She never used it because all she uses now is her iPhone. She gave it back to me yesterday and I set it up in my shed. It had not been on for 444 days and needed all the updates since then that took almost three hours to download and install. Works great now. I have it hooked via HDMI to a 50" flatscreen on the shed wall. Bought a WiFi extender and get a super strong connection. Kinda nice because now I can watch all programming on Xfinity Stream, NetFlix and Amazon Prime along with browsing and reading news and stuff. Other than the long updating process, it works great. -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com Does that shed have minimal heat all winter? I'd be concerned about dampness up here. One of my projects last summer was to totally insulate it. It's a fairly large shed, big enough for work benches plus a built-in desk with a large flat panel TV on the wall. I bought a 20,000 BTU propane heater that operates on a thermostat. Keeps the shed nice and toasty in the winter, even with outdoor temps in single digits. I don't leave the heater on when I am not in the shed but it only takes 10-15 minutes to raise the temp up to 70 (F) or more. Because of the insulation, it doesn't lose everything at night when the heater is off. Thats great. If your weather ever gets as bad as it does in Halifax, you'll be ready for it. ;-) -- No more bull**** Duh! Richard probably gets a bit more privacy of the colder weather than we do. Since we're almost surrounded by the Atlantic, our weather is moderated by it. Dampness and high winds are probably worse up here. Snow, on the other hand, might be similar since most of our storms seem to come up from the Boston states. What the 'ell? Spell check put "privacy" in. Must be a repugnant programUser error.


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On 4/25/21 12:08 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 24 Apr 2021 15:31:39 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 4/24/2021 12:46 PM, wrote:
On Friday, April 23, 2021 at 6:54:14 PM UTC-4, Bill wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 4/22/2021 5:38 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 4/22/21 5:30 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 22 Apr 2021 15:45:04 -0400 (EDT), justan wrote:

Keyser Söze Wrote in message:r
So, I am playing around with a "new" version of Windoze 10 rewritten
for ARM CPUs, and while it works ok, it is just as clunky as I
remember Windoze 7 being. Just messing with it because there are a
few computer games I like from a decade or so ago that were never
neatly ported over to Macs directly or via STEAM. Windows is like
WORD for Windows...just completely too complex and overblown. Blech.
I'm running Windoze on my MacBook via Parallels 16.5, which does work
nicely.-- * Lock up Trump and his family of grifters. *

Ask Greg if he'd sell you an XP machine.

I will give him one for the shipping but I thinned out the herd a
while ago and most of them are gone.

I have a W/98 laptop I am not using these days. It has a SCSI card and
everything. ;-)
I used to use it on my 11x14 scanner. I don't use that anymore. It is
also my FAX machine. I don't use that either.

OTOH I can boot up native DOS 6.3 and W/3.1 on this machine just by
moving the boot pointer to my FAT drive.

I still have an XP laptop but it is mostly to hook up to my outboard
and cars. It has the software for OBDII and YDIS on it. I am not sure
if that will run on 7 or not but I don't feel like screwing with
something that works.


Windoze 10 runs nicely under Parallels 16.5 on my MacBook Air. Runs
really fast, too...the Parallels folks have stepped up to the plate. I
still don't like Windoze as an OS because it is just too fattttt and
clunky, but it is easy enough to setup and run. In fact, once I "told"
Parallels to install the Windoze ARM file, the entire process was fast
and required no attention from me. I'm only going to use the Windoze
setup to run a few of my old, favorite games.

Gave up my FAX machine years ago. I use FAXzero on the rare occasions
three times a year when I have an outgoing FAX. My scanner uses
USB...don't recall ever using a SCSI scanner.


I bought Mrs.E a small HP laptop with Win 10 over a year ago. She never
used it because all she uses now is her iPhone.

She gave it back to me yesterday and I set it up in my shed. It had not
been on for 444 days and needed all the updates since then that took
almost three hours to download and install.

Works great now. I have it hooked via HDMI to a 50" flatscreen on the
shed wall. Bought a WiFi extender and get a super strong connection.

Kinda nice because now I can watch all programming on Xfinity Stream,
NetFlix and Amazon Prime along with browsing and reading news and stuff.

Other than the long updating process, it works great.




Typically, a full OS update on a Mac takes a half hour or less.


But if you add in all the Apps, a lot longer.

He's not really talking about a "full" OS update, that's just a small, incremental update on a Mac. Luddite was updating a PC that hadn't been updated for nearly 1-1/2 years. Huge difference. PC incremental updates are 2-5 minutes, and a huge OS release is 20-30 minutes.
Having worked with both platforms, side-by-side in corporate environment, a Mac is only marginally better about needing updates. That's driven by the fact the PC's are targeted continually by hackers, and Mac's aren't. Mac users are in the extreme minority.

"Statistics show that Microsoft Windows has approximately 91% of the market share, while the Apple Mac OS has around 5% of the market share. The other 4% is owned by other operating systems such as Linux."

Why would a hacker waste their time on the Mac platform? Write a hack that can hit 91% of the market, or one that can get just 5%?

And why the huge disparity in market share? In the past, Macs had better graphics and were superior game machines, but at a hefty cost. If you needed to do work, PC's were your obvious choice. Now the graphics performance is even, so there's not much of a reason to go with a Mac anymore, except to be different. Hell, people

with Macs are running Windows on them so they can run Windows programs! Can you say "duh"?


I think you're right. I just got a Windows notice about two more
updates that needed to be installed. They are automatically
downloaded but not installed until you do a "restart" (re-boot).

The two additional updates took about 10 minutes for both.

My Internet service isn't the fastest available but it's not
the slowest. It's advertised as being over 100 mbs. I've done
speed checks and during the busiest time of the day it typically
runs at about 80mbs. I've seen it go as high as 130 or so though.

It seems fast enough for two smart TVs for streaming stuff, two
computers (although one is connected via ethernet cable), and two
smartphones.

For some reason the data rate to the extender is slightly higher
than to the main router (or "Gateway" as they now call it).

Xfinity claims the X1 Gateway we have is capable of 1 gigabytes/sec.

Don't see any reason for that.


The 1 gig thing is talking about the LAN. I have 1gb switches on a lot
of my network too. There is one leg that has old stuff on it and runs
at 100mb. The 1gb is good if you are file sharing tho.
Your WAN (the internet side of the "gate") still runs at the speed of
your connection. Then you have the WiFi part and that speed depends on
the protocol. (2.4mz or 5mz and the different modes in each)

This will tell you all about it.
https://www.intel.com/content/www/us...-products.html


Comcast (Xfinity) advertises *commercial* ($$$) internet connectivity
rates of up to two gigs a second. I don't know how it accomplishes that.
We typically get download speeds of 425-500 Mbps, or half a gig, if
there isn't a lot of traffic on the lines at a given moment. Those
speeds seem the same whether I am hard-wire plugged into the router or
using wifi. Upload speeds here run 12-20 Mbps, but we typically just
upload emails and such, so it really doesn't matter.

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On 4/24/21 11:30 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 23 Apr 2021 22:10:39 -0000 (UTC), Keyser Soze
wrote:

Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 4/22/2021 5:38 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 4/22/21 5:30 PM,
wrote:
On Thu, 22 Apr 2021 15:45:04 -0400 (EDT), justan wrote:

Keyser Söze Wrote in message:r
So, I am playing around with a "new" version of Windoze 10 rewritten
for ARM CPUs, and while it works ok, it is just as clunky as I
remember Windoze 7 being. Just messing with it because there are a
few computer games I like from a decade or so ago that were never
neatly ported over to Macs directly or via STEAM. Windows is like
WORD for Windows...just completely too complex and overblown. Blech.
I'm running Windoze on my MacBook via Parallels 16.5, which does work
nicely.-- * Lock up Trump and his family of grifters. *

Ask Greg if he'd sell you* an XP machine.

I will give him one for the shipping but I thinned out the herd a
while ago and most of them are gone.

I have a W/98 laptop I am not using these days. It has a SCSI card and
everything.* ;-)
I used to use it on my 11x14 scanner. I don't use that anymore. It is
also my FAX machine. I don't use that either.

OTOH I can boot up native DOS 6.3 and W/3.1 on this machine just by
moving the boot pointer to my FAT drive.

I still have an XP laptop but it is mostly to hook up to my outboard
and cars. It has the software for OBDII and YDIS on it. I am not sure
if that will run on 7 or not but I don't feel like screwing with
something that works.


Windoze 10 runs nicely under Parallels 16.5 on my MacBook Air. Runs
really fast, too...the Parallels folks have stepped up to the plate. I
still don't like Windoze as an OS because it is just too fattttt and
clunky, but it is easy enough to setup and run. In fact, once I "told"
Parallels to install the Windoze ARM file, the entire process was fast
and required no attention from me. I'm only going to use the Windoze
setup to run a few of my old, favorite games.

Gave up my FAX machine years ago. I use FAXzero on the rare occasions
three times a year when I have an outgoing FAX. My scanner uses
USB...don't recall ever using a SCSI scanner.


I bought Mrs.E a small HP laptop with Win 10 over a year ago. She never
used it because all she uses now is her iPhone.

She gave it back to me yesterday and I set it up in my shed. It had not
been on for 444 days and needed all the updates since then that took
almost three hours to download and install.

Works great now. I have it hooked via HDMI to a 50" flatscreen on the
shed wall. Bought a WiFi extender and get a super strong connection.

Kinda nice because now I can watch all programming on Xfinity Stream,
NetFlix and Amazon Prime along with browsing and reading news and stuff.

Other than the long updating process, it works great.




Typically, a full OS update on a Mac takes a half hour or less.


I bet you update more than every 444 days ;-)

I know when I was loading XP, if I started with an SP2 disk and put
SP3 on it from CD then turned updates loose it was a take a nap sort
of thing. I usually started it and went to bed but that was 6 years of
updates. 137 as I recall. It rebooted several times.


I run the latest IOS "beta" on my iPad, and it just updated from 14.5 to
14.6 in about eight minutes, including the download, the verification,
and the install. I used to keep track of how large these updates were,
but I rarely bother anymore. I don't run betas on my iPhone.

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On Sun, 25 Apr 2021 09:45:02 -0400, Keyser Söze
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On 4/25/21 12:08 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 24 Apr 2021 15:31:39 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 4/24/2021 12:46 PM, wrote:
On Friday, April 23, 2021 at 6:54:14 PM UTC-4, Bill wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 4/22/2021 5:38 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 4/22/21 5:30 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 22 Apr 2021 15:45:04 -0400 (EDT), justan wrote:

Keyser Söze Wrote in message:r
So, I am playing around with a "new" version of Windoze 10 rewritten
for ARM CPUs, and while it works ok, it is just as clunky as I
remember Windoze 7 being. Just messing with it because there are a
few computer games I like from a decade or so ago that were never
neatly ported over to Macs directly or via STEAM. Windows is like
WORD for Windows...just completely too complex and overblown. Blech.
I'm running Windoze on my MacBook via Parallels 16.5, which does work
nicely.-- * Lock up Trump and his family of grifters. *

Ask Greg if he'd sell you an XP machine.

I will give him one for the shipping but I thinned out the herd a
while ago and most of them are gone.

I have a W/98 laptop I am not using these days. It has a SCSI card and
everything. ;-)
I used to use it on my 11x14 scanner. I don't use that anymore. It is
also my FAX machine. I don't use that either.

OTOH I can boot up native DOS 6.3 and W/3.1 on this machine just by
moving the boot pointer to my FAT drive.

I still have an XP laptop but it is mostly to hook up to my outboard
and cars. It has the software for OBDII and YDIS on it. I am not sure
if that will run on 7 or not but I don't feel like screwing with
something that works.


Windoze 10 runs nicely under Parallels 16.5 on my MacBook Air. Runs
really fast, too...the Parallels folks have stepped up to the plate. I
still don't like Windoze as an OS because it is just too fattttt and
clunky, but it is easy enough to setup and run. In fact, once I "told"
Parallels to install the Windoze ARM file, the entire process was fast
and required no attention from me. I'm only going to use the Windoze
setup to run a few of my old, favorite games.

Gave up my FAX machine years ago. I use FAXzero on the rare occasions
three times a year when I have an outgoing FAX. My scanner uses
USB...don't recall ever using a SCSI scanner.


I bought Mrs.E a small HP laptop with Win 10 over a year ago. She never
used it because all she uses now is her iPhone.

She gave it back to me yesterday and I set it up in my shed. It had not
been on for 444 days and needed all the updates since then that took
almost three hours to download and install.

Works great now. I have it hooked via HDMI to a 50" flatscreen on the
shed wall. Bought a WiFi extender and get a super strong connection.

Kinda nice because now I can watch all programming on Xfinity Stream,
NetFlix and Amazon Prime along with browsing and reading news and stuff.

Other than the long updating process, it works great.




Typically, a full OS update on a Mac takes a half hour or less.


But if you add in all the Apps, a lot longer.

He's not really talking about a "full" OS update, that's just a small, incremental update on a Mac. Luddite was updating a PC that hadn't been updated for nearly 1-1/2 years. Huge difference. PC incremental updates are 2-5 minutes, and a huge OS release is 20-30 minutes.
Having worked with both platforms, side-by-side in corporate environment, a Mac is only marginally better about needing updates. That's driven by the fact the PC's are targeted continually by hackers, and Mac's aren't. Mac users are in the extreme minority.

"Statistics show that Microsoft Windows has approximately 91% of the market share, while the Apple Mac OS has around 5% of the market share. The other 4% is owned by other operating systems such as Linux."

Why would a hacker waste their time on the Mac platform? Write a hack that can hit 91% of the market, or one that can get just 5%?

And why the huge disparity in market share? In the past, Macs had better graphics and were superior game machines, but at a hefty cost. If you needed to do work, PC's were your obvious choice. Now the graphics performance is even, so there's not much of a reason to go with a Mac anymore, except to be different. Hell,

people
with Macs are running Windows on them so they can run Windows programs! Can you say "duh"?


I think you're right. I just got a Windows notice about two more
updates that needed to be installed. They are automatically
downloaded but not installed until you do a "restart" (re-boot).

The two additional updates took about 10 minutes for both.

My Internet service isn't the fastest available but it's not
the slowest. It's advertised as being over 100 mbs. I've done
speed checks and during the busiest time of the day it typically
runs at about 80mbs. I've seen it go as high as 130 or so though.

It seems fast enough for two smart TVs for streaming stuff, two
computers (although one is connected via ethernet cable), and two
smartphones.

For some reason the data rate to the extender is slightly higher
than to the main router (or "Gateway" as they now call it).

Xfinity claims the X1 Gateway we have is capable of 1 gigabytes/sec.

Don't see any reason for that.


The 1 gig thing is talking about the LAN. I have 1gb switches on a lot
of my network too. There is one leg that has old stuff on it and runs
at 100mb. The 1gb is good if you are file sharing tho.
Your WAN (the internet side of the "gate") still runs at the speed of
your connection. Then you have the WiFi part and that speed depends on
the protocol. (2.4mz or 5mz and the different modes in each)

This will tell you all about it.
https://www.intel.com/content/www/us...-products.html


Comcast (Xfinity) advertises *commercial* ($$$) internet connectivity
rates of up to two gigs a second. I don't know how it accomplishes that.
We typically get download speeds of 425-500 Mbps, or half a gig, if
there isn't a lot of traffic on the lines at a given moment. Those
speeds seem the same whether I am hard-wire plugged into the router or
using wifi. Upload speeds here run 12-20 Mbps, but we typically just
upload emails and such, so it really doesn't matter.


For the most part that number is just gee whiz information anyway
since the servers you are connected to can't maintain that data rate
or anything even close. It really isn't important until you get a lot
of users on at your end.


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