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Flying on a Boeing jet?
On Thu, 25 Feb 2021 17:19:12 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote: wrote: On Thu, 25 Feb 2021 00:18:38 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: wrote: On Wed, 24 Feb 2021 11:57:38 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/24/21 10:22 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/22/2021 7:54 PM, Wayne B wrote: On Mon, 22 Feb 2021 19:08:43 -0500, wrote: On Mon, 22 Feb 2021 10:08:12 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/22/21 9:58 AM, wrote: On Mon, 22 Feb 2021 09:13:56 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: Good luck and don't forget your parachute. Sheesh. Since Boeing doesn't make engines and the Pratt and Whitney PW4000 is used on Airbus, and McDonald Douglas planes too, maybe you better take the train. Right...the loonytarian response...Boeing doesn't make the engines, so it isn't responsible. What failed? Boeing didn't make that engine, they come in assembled and installed as a FRU Perhaps you should be blaming United airlines for sloppy inspections. === The engine was made by Pratt and Whitney, as are about 9% of the other Boeing 777s.Â* The other engines are made by Rolls Royce and GE, and are not known to have any issues.Â* Supposedly the FAA sactioned Pratt and Whitney a few years back for not providing their engine inspectors with sufficient training. The good news is that the plane landed OK and no one on the ground was injured.Â* There were some pretty big chunks that fell on those houses. Many years ago (back in the early 80's)Â* I was involved with the design of a vacuum deposition system that deposited thin film strain gauges and thermocouples on P&W jet engine turbine blades.Â* It was for real time testing of turbine blade designs. I visited the P&W facility in Florida after the system was delivered and installed and was given a plant tour.Â* One room had a number of people seated at tables who were physically handling turbine blades from bins at each table. My host explained that they were all visually handicapped or blind and were using their sensitized sense of feel to inspect the blades, feeling them for inclusions or other irregularities in the blade surfaces. Wow! How cool was that? Most of the linotype operators at the KC Star when I worked there were deaf and grads of the School for the Deaf. The clackity-clack of the machines didn't bother them. Good union jobs, too, with top drawer bennies. Linotype? You are showing your age now ;-) Our school paper (early 60s) was done in a Linotype shop out New York Avenue near the DC line. It was quite an operation. We switched printers a few months before I graduated, bringing in the juniors and got a glossy offset tabloid+ size for less money from a printer out around Clarksburg where one of those guys lived. It was a nicer product but it didn't have that newspaper feel. The pictures were actually almost photo quality and being offset, didn't cost anything extra. The pictures in the old paper were molded plates on 3/4" wood. I still have the plate for a cartoon I drew almost 60 years ago. I used to do the layout and it was different when you can use all the pictures you want. I think it made them lazy tho because they didn't need to write as much to fill 8 (or 12 pages, what the last issue in 64 was). I had copies of all the papers I worked on but they didn't make it in a move. Linotype was actually better in some ways. We had the computer system in Commerce Clearing House. The people who print all those tax code and law books you see lawyers offices. They said when lots did not change, was overall quicker and easier to reset a paragraph in Linotype than photo typesetting complete pages In lots of the books. When the computer is generating the offset plate, I am not sure how linotype could possibly be cheaper. It sounds more like they were just stuck in the 19th century. The whole linotype process is much more expensive to start with. That was what they said in 1964 and that labor certainly didn't get cheaper. The plates this guy as making were developed photos from a physical page layout. Now the whole thing is on the computer. The pressman gets the plate and the rest is the same. The Linotype plates made better printing sheets I think. And they said, lots of the books did not change for years. They also computer typeset new stuff. You do get better images from inked metal hitting paper but we live in the age of market driven quality. People usually never notice and they certainly don't want to pay extra unless it is a keepsake like a wedding invitation or money., high end business card or money. |
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On Thu, 25 Feb 2021 17:19:12 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: wrote: On Thu, 25 Feb 2021 00:18:38 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: wrote: On Wed, 24 Feb 2021 11:57:38 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/24/21 10:22 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 2/22/2021 7:54 PM, Wayne B wrote: On Mon, 22 Feb 2021 19:08:43 -0500, wrote: On Mon, 22 Feb 2021 10:08:12 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 2/22/21 9:58 AM, wrote: On Mon, 22 Feb 2021 09:13:56 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: Good luck and don't forget your parachute. Sheesh. Since Boeing doesn't make engines and the Pratt and Whitney PW4000 is used on Airbus, and McDonald Douglas planes too, maybe you better take the train. Right...the loonytarian response...Boeing doesn't make the engines, so it isn't responsible. What failed? Boeing didn't make that engine, they come in assembled and installed as a FRU Perhaps you should be blaming United airlines for sloppy inspections. === The engine was made by Pratt and Whitney, as are about 9% of the other Boeing 777s.Â* The other engines are made by Rolls Royce and GE, and are not known to have any issues.Â* Supposedly the FAA sactioned Pratt and Whitney a few years back for not providing their engine inspectors with sufficient training. The good news is that the plane landed OK and no one on the ground was injured.Â* There were some pretty big chunks that fell on those houses. Many years ago (back in the early 80's)Â* I was involved with the design of a vacuum deposition system that deposited thin film strain gauges and thermocouples on P&W jet engine turbine blades.Â* It was for real time testing of turbine blade designs. I visited the P&W facility in Florida after the system was delivered and installed and was given a plant tour.Â* One room had a number of people seated at tables who were physically handling turbine blades from bins at each table. My host explained that they were all visually handicapped or blind and were using their sensitized sense of feel to inspect the blades, feeling them for inclusions or other irregularities in the blade surfaces. Wow! How cool was that? Most of the linotype operators at the KC Star when I worked there were deaf and grads of the School for the Deaf. The clackity-clack of the machines didn't bother them. Good union jobs, too, with top drawer bennies. Linotype? You are showing your age now ;-) Our school paper (early 60s) was done in a Linotype shop out New York Avenue near the DC line. It was quite an operation. We switched printers a few months before I graduated, bringing in the juniors and got a glossy offset tabloid+ size for less money from a printer out around Clarksburg where one of those guys lived. It was a nicer product but it didn't have that newspaper feel. The pictures were actually almost photo quality and being offset, didn't cost anything extra. The pictures in the old paper were molded plates on 3/4" wood. I still have the plate for a cartoon I drew almost 60 years ago. I used to do the layout and it was different when you can use all the pictures you want. I think it made them lazy tho because they didn't need to write as much to fill 8 (or 12 pages, what the last issue in 64 was). I had copies of all the papers I worked on but they didn't make it in a move. Linotype was actually better in some ways. We had the computer system in Commerce Clearing House. The people who print all those tax code and law books you see lawyers offices. They said when lots did not change, was overall quicker and easier to reset a paragraph in Linotype than photo typesetting complete pages In lots of the books. When the computer is generating the offset plate, I am not sure how linotype could possibly be cheaper. It sounds more like they were just stuck in the 19th century. The whole linotype process is much more expensive to start with. That was what they said in 1964 and that labor certainly didn't get cheaper. The plates this guy as making were developed photos from a physical page layout. Now the whole thing is on the computer. The pressman gets the plate and the rest is the same. The Linotype plates made better printing sheets I think. And they said, lots of the books did not change for years. They also computer typeset new stuff. You do get better images from inked metal hitting paper but we live in the age of market driven quality. People usually never notice and they certainly don't want to pay extra unless it is a keepsake like a wedding invitation or money., high end business card or money. They can be expensive law and tax books. https://www.cch.com/about/ |
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