On 1/22/21 9:07 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 22 Jan 2021 10:56:13 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 1/22/21 10:35 AM, Wayne B wrote:
On Fri, 22 Jan 2021 07:18:12 -0500 (EST), justan wrote:

Wayne B Wrote in message:r
On Thu, 21 Jan 2021 20:15:08 -0500, John wrote:Or, Wayne and Harry, are these just 'peaceful protests' instigated by
Trump?https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/21/us/protests-portland-seattle-biden.htmlhttps://www.wsj.com/articles/inauguration-day-protests-in-portland-seattle-turned-violent-11611260877How do you explain that ****? Note that a Federal courthouse was attacked, butno one was shot.Wow.===Wow indeed. Were there members of
congress inside the courthousetrying to carry out the constitutional process of certifying thepresidential electoral college votes? Were the rioters incited by thePOTUS in an attempt to overturn his election defeat?None of that excuses mob violence of course, no matter where and whyit happens. I'm also thinking that Portland
needs to make a concertedeffort to identify and arrest some of these hooligans. I suspectthey've got a hard core group of repeat offenders that should be dealtwith.

Do we have any numbers yet on the dwindling population of NYC, NY
State, California, and Washington State. Just curious. My
unscientific poll says a significant number of NYers and Fornians
are moving to Florida.

===

Florida has been a popular retirement destination for New Yorkers for
more than 70 years. Over here on the left coast most of our newcomers
are from the mid-west. I call it the I-75 pipeline effect. There has
definitely been a move out of New York City. Between Covid, high tax
rates and crime, there have been a lot of reasons to leave. My oldest
son and his wife have done that, turning their summer home out east
into their year round residence, and working from home.



I gave up trying to convince my wife that my favorite little Connecticut
town, Milford, would be a great place to retire. She's a Southern belle,
and cannot tolerate the winter cold there or the water temperature of
the Sound for swimming in the summer...too cold for her.

Neither of us want to return to Florida. Number One on our "hit list"
are a couple of areas just west of Savannah. Hilton Head is still nice,
but it is pretty congested these days and we noticed that for months at
a time, from spring through September at least, the auto traffic is very
heavy all around the island and just off of it. If you go off-island,
the traffic wait to get back on it is lengthy and annoying. Also, a lot
of the island is looking worn-out. Plus, Georgia seems a bit more
socially progressive than South Carolina, as evidenced that in the
recent elections there, a black minister and a Jew were elected to the
U.S. Senate, both Democrats.

Atlanta might be for you. It is pretty much like DC and I lived in
both places. Those is the people who are driving Georgia politics now.


That's funny. I've no interest in living in any big metro center, with
the possible exception of San Francisco. I've been to Atlanta maybe a
half dozen times on business and do not find it appealing. It is
nothing like D.C., which is a pretty small city. If we were to live
again in Florida, we think St. Augustine is livable. We like visiting
Ft. Lauderdale and Miami in the winter, though.

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Keyser Söze wrote:
On 1/22/21 9:07 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 22 Jan 2021 10:56:13 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 1/22/21 10:35 AM, Wayne B wrote:
On Fri, 22 Jan 2021 07:18:12 -0500 (EST), justan wrote:

Wayne B Wrote in message:r
On Thu, 21 Jan 2021 20:15:08 -0500, John
wrote:Or, Wayne and Harry, are these just 'peaceful protests' instigated by
Trump?https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/21/us/protests-portland-seattle-biden.htmlhttps://www.wsj.com/articles/inauguration-day-protests-in-portland-seattle-turned-violent-11611260877How
do you explain that ****? Note that a Federal courthouse was attacked,
butno one was shot.Wow.===Wow indeed. Were there members of
congress inside the courthousetrying to carry out the constitutional
process of certifying thepresidential electoral college votes? Were the
rioters incited by thePOTUS in an attempt to overturn his election
defeat?None of that excuses mob violence of course, no matter where and
whyit happens. I'm also thinking that Portland
needs to make a concertedeffort to identify and arrest some of these
hooligans. I suspectthey've got a hard core group of repeat offenders
that should be dealtwith.

Do we have any numbers yet on the dwindling population of NYC, NY
State, California, and Washington State. Just curious. My
unscientific poll says a significant number of NYers and Fornians
are moving to Florida.

===

Florida has been a popular retirement destination for New Yorkers for
more than 70 years. Over here on the left coast most of our newcomers
are from the mid-west. I call it the I-75 pipeline effect. There has
definitely been a move out of New York City. Between Covid, high tax
rates and crime, there have been a lot of reasons to leave. My oldest
son and his wife have done that, turning their summer home out east
into their year round residence, and working from home.



I gave up trying to convince my wife that my favorite little Connecticut
town, Milford, would be a great place to retire. She's a Southern belle,
and cannot tolerate the winter cold there or the water temperature of
the Sound for swimming in the summer...too cold for her.

Neither of us want to return to Florida. Number One on our "hit list"
are a couple of areas just west of Savannah. Hilton Head is still nice,
but it is pretty congested these days and we noticed that for months at
a time, from spring through September at least, the auto traffic is very
heavy all around the island and just off of it. If you go off-island,
the traffic wait to get back on it is lengthy and annoying. Also, a lot
of the island is looking worn-out. Plus, Georgia seems a bit more
socially progressive than South Carolina, as evidenced that in the
recent elections there, a black minister and a Jew were elected to the
U.S. Senate, both Democrats.

Atlanta might be for you. It is pretty much like DC and I lived in
both places. Those is the people who are driving Georgia politics now.


That's funny. I've no interest in living in any big metro center, with
the possible exception of San Francisco. I've been to Atlanta maybe a
half dozen times on business and do not find it appealing. It is
nothing like D.C., which is a pretty small city. If we were to live
again in Florida, we think St. Augustine is livable. We like visiting
Ft. Lauderdale and Miami in the winter, though.


Your fixation on homosexuality will stand you in good stead in SF.
Terrible place anymore. Has been ruined in the last 20-30 years. Homeless
everywhere, even city hall grounds. I grew up across the bay from San
Francisco, liked it. Went to City College of SF, and graduated from SF
State. Worked there for 10 years. The political leaders have trashed the
place. Over taxed, under served.

Bill Wrote in message:r
Keyser Söze wrote: On 1/22/21 9:07 PM, wrote: On Fri, 22 Jan 2021 10:56:13 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 1/22/21 10:35 AM, Wayne B wrote: On Fri, 22 Jan 2021 07:18:12 -0500 (EST), justan wrote: Wayne B Wrote in message:r On Thu, 21 Jan 2021 20:15:08 -0500, John wrote:Or, Wayne and Harry, are these just 'peaceful protests' instigated by Trump?https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/21/us/protests-portland-seattle-biden.htmlhttps://www.wsj.com/articles/inauguration-day-protests-in-portland-seattle-turned-violent-11611260877How do you explain that ****? Note that a Federal courthouse was attacked, butno one was shot.Wow.===Wow indeed. Were there members of congress inside the courthousetrying to carry out the constitutional process of certifying thepresidential electoral college votes? Were the rioters incited by thePOTUS in an attempt to overturn his election defeat?None of that excuses mob violence of course, no matter where and whyit happens. I'm also thinking that Portland needs to make a concertedeffort to identify and arrest some of these hooligans. I suspectthey've got a hard core group of repeat offenders that should be dealtwith. Do we have any numbers yet on the dwindling population of NYC, NY State, California, and Washington State. Just curious. My unscientific poll says a significant number of NYers and Fornians are moving to Florida. === Florida has been a popular retirement destination for New Yorkers for more than 70 years. Over here on the left coast most of our newcomers are from the mid-west. I call it the I-75 pipeline effect. There has definitely been a move out of New York City. Between Covid, high tax rates and crime, there have been a lot of reasons to leave. My oldest son and his wife have done that, turning their summer home out east into their year round residence, and working from home. I gave up trying to convince my wife that my favorite little Connecticut town, Milford, would be a great place to retire. She's a Southern belle, and cannot tolerate the winter cold there or the water temperature of the Sound for swimming in the summer...too cold for her. Neither of us want to return to Florida. Number One on our "hit list" are a couple of areas just west of Savannah. Hilton Head is still nice, but it is pretty congested these days and we noticed that for months at a time, from spring through September at least, the auto traffic is very heavy all around the island and just off of it. If you go off-island, the traffic wait to get back on it is lengthy and annoying. Also, a lot of the island is looking worn-out. Plus, Georgia seems a bit more socially progressive than South Carolina, as evidenced that in the recent elections there, a black minister and a Jew were elected to the U.S. Senate, both Democrats. Atlanta might be for you. It is pretty much like DC and I lived in both places. Those is the people who are driving Georgia politics now. That's funny. I've no interest in living in any big metro center, with the possible exception of San Francisco. I've been to Atlanta maybe a half dozen times on business and do not find it appealing. It is nothing like D.C., which is a pretty small city. If we were to live again in Florida, we think St. Augustine is livable. We like visiting Ft. Lauderdale and Miami in the winter, though. Your fixation on homosexuality will stand you in good stead in SF. Terrible place anymore. Has been ruined in the last 20-30 years. Homelesseverywhere, even city hall grounds. I grew up across the bay from SanFrancisco, liked it. Went to City College of SF, and graduated from SFState. Worked there for 10 years. The political leaders have trashed theplace. Over taxed, under served.
Those damn republicans. They ruin everything, eh?
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justan wrote:
Bill Wrote in message:r
Keyser Söze wrote: On 1/22/21 9:07 PM,
wrote: On Fri, 22 Jan 2021 10:56:13 -0500, Keyser
Söze wrote: On 1/22/21 10:35 AM,
Wayne B wrote: On Fri, 22 Jan 2021 07:18:12 -0500 (EST), justan
wrote: Wayne B
Wrote in message:r On Thu, 21 Jan 2021 20:15:08 -0500, John
wrote:Or, Wayne and Harry, are these just
'peaceful protests' instigated by
Trump?https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/21/us/protests-portland-seattle-biden.htmlhttps://www.wsj.com/articles/inauguration-day-protests-in-portland-seattle-turned-violent-11611260877How
do you explain that ****? Note that a Federal courthouse was attacked,
butno one was shot.Wow.===Wow indeed. Were there members of
congress inside the courthousetrying to carry out the constitutional
process of certifying thepresidential electoral college votes? Were
the rioters incited by thePOTUS in an attempt to overturn his
election defeat?None of that excuses mob violence of course, no matter
where and whyit happens. I'm also thinking that Portland needs to
make a concertedeffort to identify and arrest some of these hooligans.
I suspectthey've got a hard core group of repeat offenders that
should be dealtwith. Do we have any numbers yet on the
dwindling population of NYC, NY State, California, and Washington
State. Just curious. My unscientific poll says a significant number
of NYers and Fornians are moving to Florida. ===
Florida has been a popular retirement destination for New Yorkers
for more than 70 years. Over here on the left coast most of our
newcomers are from the mid-west. I call it the I-75 pipeline
effect. There has definitely been a move out of New York City.
Between Covid, high tax rates and crime, there have been a lot of
reasons to leave. My oldest son and his wife have done that,
turning their summer home out east into their year round residence,
and working from home. I gave up trying to convince my
wife that my favorite little Connecticut town, Milford, would be a
great place to retire. She's a Southern belle, and cannot tolerate
the winter cold there or the water temperature of the Sound for
swimming in the summer...too cold for her. Neither of us want to
return to Florida. Number One on our "hit list" are a couple of areas
just west of Savannah. Hilton Head is still nice, but it is pretty
congested these days and we noticed that for months at a time, from
spring through September at least, the auto traffic is very heavy all
around the island and just off of it. If you go off-island, the
traffic wait to get back on it is lengthy and annoying. Also, a lot
of the island is looking worn-out. Plus, Georgia seems a bit more
socially progressive than South Carolina, as evidenced that in the
recent elections there, a black minister and a Jew were elected to
the U.S. Senate, both Democrats. Atlanta might be for you. It is
pretty much like DC and I lived in both places. Those is the people
who are driving Georgia politics now. That's funny. I've no
interest in living in any big metro center, with the possible
exception of San Francisco. I've been to Atlanta maybe a half dozen
times on business and do not find it appealing. It is nothing like
D.C., which is a pretty small city. If we were to live again in
Florida, we think St. Augustine is livable. We like visiting Ft.
Lauderdale and Miami in the winter, though. Your fixation on
homosexuality will stand you in good stead in SF. Terrible place
anymore. Has been ruined in the last 20-30 years. Homelesseverywhere,
even city hall grounds. I grew up across the bay from SanFrancisco,
liked it. Went to City College of SF, and graduated from SFState.
Worked there for 10 years. The political leaders have trashed theplace.
Over taxed, under served.
Those damn republicans. They ruin everything, eh?

Same group emigrated to Portland. Why Oregonians dislike California.
Bring their mindset.

On Sat, 23 Jan 2021 06:16:49 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

Keyser Söze wrote:
On 1/22/21 9:07 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 22 Jan 2021 10:56:13 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 1/22/21 10:35 AM, Wayne B wrote:
On Fri, 22 Jan 2021 07:18:12 -0500 (EST), justan wrote:

Wayne B Wrote in message:r
On Thu, 21 Jan 2021 20:15:08 -0500, John
wrote:Or, Wayne and Harry, are these just 'peaceful protests' instigated by
Trump?https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/21/us/protests-portland-seattle-biden.htmlhttps://www.wsj.com/articles/inauguration-day-protests-in-portland-seattle-turned-violent-11611260877How
do you explain that ****? Note that a Federal courthouse was attacked,
butno one was shot.Wow.===Wow indeed. Were there members of
congress inside the courthousetrying to carry out the constitutional
process of certifying thepresidential electoral college votes? Were the
rioters incited by thePOTUS in an attempt to overturn his election
defeat?None of that excuses mob violence of course, no matter where and
whyit happens. I'm also thinking that Portland
needs to make a concertedeffort to identify and arrest some of these
hooligans. I suspectthey've got a hard core group of repeat offenders
that should be dealtwith.

Do we have any numbers yet on the dwindling population of NYC, NY
State, California, and Washington State. Just curious. My
unscientific poll says a significant number of NYers and Fornians
are moving to Florida.

===

Florida has been a popular retirement destination for New Yorkers for
more than 70 years. Over here on the left coast most of our newcomers
are from the mid-west. I call it the I-75 pipeline effect. There has
definitely been a move out of New York City. Between Covid, high tax
rates and crime, there have been a lot of reasons to leave. My oldest
son and his wife have done that, turning their summer home out east
into their year round residence, and working from home.



I gave up trying to convince my wife that my favorite little Connecticut
town, Milford, would be a great place to retire. She's a Southern belle,
and cannot tolerate the winter cold there or the water temperature of
the Sound for swimming in the summer...too cold for her.

Neither of us want to return to Florida. Number One on our "hit list"
are a couple of areas just west of Savannah. Hilton Head is still nice,
but it is pretty congested these days and we noticed that for months at
a time, from spring through September at least, the auto traffic is very
heavy all around the island and just off of it. If you go off-island,
the traffic wait to get back on it is lengthy and annoying. Also, a lot
of the island is looking worn-out. Plus, Georgia seems a bit more
socially progressive than South Carolina, as evidenced that in the
recent elections there, a black minister and a Jew were elected to the
U.S. Senate, both Democrats.

Atlanta might be for you. It is pretty much like DC and I lived in
both places. Those is the people who are driving Georgia politics now.


That's funny. I've no interest in living in any big metro center, with
the possible exception of San Francisco. I've been to Atlanta maybe a
half dozen times on business and do not find it appealing. It is
nothing like D.C., which is a pretty small city. If we were to live
again in Florida, we think St. Augustine is livable. We like visiting
Ft. Lauderdale and Miami in the winter, though.


Your fixation on homosexuality will stand you in good stead in SF.
Terrible place anymore. Has been ruined in the last 20-30 years. Homeless
everywhere, even city hall grounds. I grew up across the bay from San
Francisco, liked it. Went to City College of SF, and graduated from SF
State. Worked there for 10 years. The political leaders have trashed the
place. Over taxed, under served.

I spent a week in San Francisco in 74 and it sucked then.

On Sat, 23 Jan 2021 14:23:11 -0500, wrote:

On Sat, 23 Jan 2021 06:16:49 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

Keyser Söze wrote:
On 1/22/21 9:07 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 22 Jan 2021 10:56:13 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 1/22/21 10:35 AM, Wayne B wrote:
On Fri, 22 Jan 2021 07:18:12 -0500 (EST), justan wrote:

Wayne B Wrote in message:r
On Thu, 21 Jan 2021 20:15:08 -0500, John
wrote:Or, Wayne and Harry, are these just 'peaceful protests' instigated by
Trump?https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/21/us/protests-portland-seattle-biden.htmlhttps://www.wsj.com/articles/inauguration-day-protests-in-portland-seattle-turned-violent-11611260877How
do you explain that ****? Note that a Federal courthouse was attacked,
butno one was shot.Wow.===Wow indeed. Were there members of
congress inside the courthousetrying to carry out the constitutional
process of certifying thepresidential electoral college votes? Were the
rioters incited by thePOTUS in an attempt to overturn his election
defeat?None of that excuses mob violence of course, no matter where and
whyit happens. I'm also thinking that Portland
needs to make a concertedeffort to identify and arrest some of these
hooligans. I suspectthey've got a hard core group of repeat offenders
that should be dealtwith.

Do we have any numbers yet on the dwindling population of NYC, NY
State, California, and Washington State. Just curious. My
unscientific poll says a significant number of NYers and Fornians
are moving to Florida.

===

Florida has been a popular retirement destination for New Yorkers for
more than 70 years. Over here on the left coast most of our newcomers
are from the mid-west. I call it the I-75 pipeline effect. There has
definitely been a move out of New York City. Between Covid, high tax
rates and crime, there have been a lot of reasons to leave. My oldest
son and his wife have done that, turning their summer home out east
into their year round residence, and working from home.



I gave up trying to convince my wife that my favorite little Connecticut
town, Milford, would be a great place to retire. She's a Southern belle,
and cannot tolerate the winter cold there or the water temperature of
the Sound for swimming in the summer...too cold for her.

Neither of us want to return to Florida. Number One on our "hit list"
are a couple of areas just west of Savannah. Hilton Head is still nice,
but it is pretty congested these days and we noticed that for months at
a time, from spring through September at least, the auto traffic is very
heavy all around the island and just off of it. If you go off-island,
the traffic wait to get back on it is lengthy and annoying. Also, a lot
of the island is looking worn-out. Plus, Georgia seems a bit more
socially progressive than South Carolina, as evidenced that in the
recent elections there, a black minister and a Jew were elected to the
U.S. Senate, both Democrats.

Atlanta might be for you. It is pretty much like DC and I lived in
both places. Those is the people who are driving Georgia politics now.


That's funny. I've no interest in living in any big metro center, with
the possible exception of San Francisco. I've been to Atlanta maybe a
half dozen times on business and do not find it appealing. It is
nothing like D.C., which is a pretty small city. If we were to live
again in Florida, we think St. Augustine is livable. We like visiting
Ft. Lauderdale and Miami in the winter, though.


Your fixation on homosexuality will stand you in good stead in SF.
Terrible place anymore. Has been ruined in the last 20-30 years. Homeless
everywhere, even city hall grounds. I grew up across the bay from San
Francisco, liked it. Went to City College of SF, and graduated from SF
State. Worked there for 10 years. The political leaders have trashed the
place. Over taxed, under served.

I spent a week in San Francisco in 74 and it sucked then.

We visited San Francisco several years ago. I enjoyed the view of the Golden
Gate Bridge from the view point across the bay. The rest of it pretty much
sucked. And I hear it's gone way downhill since then. Of course, being a liberal
who welcomes illegal immigrants, Harry probably finds scenes like this very
comforting.

https://www.google.com/search?q=san+...wT5Ykj4trHAK8M

or:shorturl.at/gnyAM

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John wrote:
On Sat, 23 Jan 2021 14:23:11 -0500, wrote:

On Sat, 23 Jan 2021 06:16:49 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

Keyser Söze wrote:
On 1/22/21 9:07 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 22 Jan 2021 10:56:13 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 1/22/21 10:35 AM, Wayne B wrote:
On Fri, 22 Jan 2021 07:18:12 -0500 (EST), justan wrote:

Wayne B Wrote in message:r
On Thu, 21 Jan 2021 20:15:08 -0500, John
wrote:Or, Wayne and Harry, are these just 'peaceful protests' instigated by
Trump?https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/21/us/protests-portland-seattle-biden.htmlhttps://www.wsj.com/articles/inauguration-day-protests-in-portland-seattle-turned-violent-11611260877How
do you explain that ****? Note that a Federal courthouse was attacked,
no one was shot.Wow.===Wow indeed. Were there members of
congress inside the courthousetrying to carry out the constitutional
process of certifying thepresidential electoral college votes? Were the
rioters incited by thePOTUS in an attempt to overturn his election
defeat?None of that excuses mob violence of course, no matter where and
whyit happens. I'm also thinking that Portland
needs to make a concertedeffort to identify and arrest some of these
hooligans. I suspectthey've got a hard core group of repeat offenders
that should be dealtwith.

Do we have any numbers yet on the dwindling population of NYC, NY
State, California, and Washington State. Just curious. My
unscientific poll says a significant number of NYers and Fornians
are moving to Florida.

===

Florida has been a popular retirement destination for New Yorkers for
more than 70 years. Over here on the left coast most of our newcomers
are from the mid-west. I call it the I-75 pipeline effect. There has
definitely been a move out of New York City. Between Covid, high tax
rates and crime, there have been a lot of reasons to leave. My oldest
son and his wife have done that, turning their summer home out east
into their year round residence, and working from home.



I gave up trying to convince my wife that my favorite little Connecticut
town, Milford, would be a great place to retire. She's a Southern belle,
and cannot tolerate the winter cold there or the water temperature of
the Sound for swimming in the summer...too cold for her.

Neither of us want to return to Florida. Number One on our "hit list"
are a couple of areas just west of Savannah. Hilton Head is still nice,
but it is pretty congested these days and we noticed that for months at
a time, from spring through September at least, the auto traffic is very
heavy all around the island and just off of it. If you go off-island,
the traffic wait to get back on it is lengthy and annoying. Also, a lot
of the island is looking worn-out. Plus, Georgia seems a bit more
socially progressive than South Carolina, as evidenced that in the
recent elections there, a black minister and a Jew were elected to the
U.S. Senate, both Democrats.

Atlanta might be for you. It is pretty much like DC and I lived in
both places. Those is the people who are driving Georgia politics now.


That's funny. I've no interest in living in any big metro center, with
the possible exception of San Francisco. I've been to Atlanta maybe a
half dozen times on business and do not find it appealing. It is
nothing like D.C., which is a pretty small city. If we were to live
again in Florida, we think St. Augustine is livable. We like visiting
Ft. Lauderdale and Miami in the winter, though.


Your fixation on homosexuality will stand you in good stead in SF.
Terrible place anymore. Has been ruined in the last 20-30 years. Homeless
everywhere, even city hall grounds. I grew up across the bay from San
Francisco, liked it. Went to City College of SF, and graduated from SF
State. Worked there for 10 years. The political leaders have trashed the
place. Over taxed, under served.

I spent a week in San Francisco in 74 and it sucked then.

We visited San Francisco several years ago. I enjoyed the view of the Golden
Gate Bridge from the view point across the bay. The rest of it pretty much
sucked. And I hear it's gone way downhill since then. Of course, being a liberal
who welcomes illegal immigrants, Harry probably finds scenes like this very
comforting.

https://www.google.com/search?q=san+...wT5Ykj4trHAK8M

or:shorturl.at/gnyAM

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Well, it is a city run by the Newsoms, Browns, Pelosis, and Getty’s. All
very closely related. Nancy is an aunt by marriage to Gavin. Newsom’s dad
was a judge ruling in favor of Gordon Getty heirs trust, and then the Getty
corporate attorney. Gavin is in partnership with Gordon Getty in Plump
Jack winery and restaurants.

On Sun, 24 Jan 2021 12:05:30 -0500, John wrote:

On Sat, 23 Jan 2021 14:23:11 -0500, wrote:

On Sat, 23 Jan 2021 06:16:49 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

Keyser Söze wrote:
On 1/22/21 9:07 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 22 Jan 2021 10:56:13 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 1/22/21 10:35 AM, Wayne B wrote:
On Fri, 22 Jan 2021 07:18:12 -0500 (EST), justan wrote:

Wayne B Wrote in message:r
On Thu, 21 Jan 2021 20:15:08 -0500, John
wrote:Or, Wayne and Harry, are these just 'peaceful protests' instigated by
Trump?https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/21/us/protests-portland-seattle-biden.htmlhttps://www.wsj.com/articles/inauguration-day-protests-in-portland-seattle-turned-violent-11611260877How
do you explain that ****? Note that a Federal courthouse was attacked,
butno one was shot.Wow.===Wow indeed. Were there members of
congress inside the courthousetrying to carry out the constitutional
process of certifying thepresidential electoral college votes? Were the
rioters incited by thePOTUS in an attempt to overturn his election
defeat?None of that excuses mob violence of course, no matter where and
whyit happens. I'm also thinking that Portland
needs to make a concertedeffort to identify and arrest some of these
hooligans. I suspectthey've got a hard core group of repeat offenders
that should be dealtwith.

Do we have any numbers yet on the dwindling population of NYC, NY
State, California, and Washington State. Just curious. My
unscientific poll says a significant number of NYers and Fornians
are moving to Florida.

===

Florida has been a popular retirement destination for New Yorkers for
more than 70 years. Over here on the left coast most of our newcomers
are from the mid-west. I call it the I-75 pipeline effect. There has
definitely been a move out of New York City. Between Covid, high tax
rates and crime, there have been a lot of reasons to leave. My oldest
son and his wife have done that, turning their summer home out east
into their year round residence, and working from home.



I gave up trying to convince my wife that my favorite little Connecticut
town, Milford, would be a great place to retire. She's a Southern belle,
and cannot tolerate the winter cold there or the water temperature of
the Sound for swimming in the summer...too cold for her.

Neither of us want to return to Florida. Number One on our "hit list"
are a couple of areas just west of Savannah. Hilton Head is still nice,
but it is pretty congested these days and we noticed that for months at
a time, from spring through September at least, the auto traffic is very
heavy all around the island and just off of it. If you go off-island,
the traffic wait to get back on it is lengthy and annoying. Also, a lot
of the island is looking worn-out. Plus, Georgia seems a bit more
socially progressive than South Carolina, as evidenced that in the
recent elections there, a black minister and a Jew were elected to the
U.S. Senate, both Democrats.

Atlanta might be for you. It is pretty much like DC and I lived in
both places. Those is the people who are driving Georgia politics now.


That's funny. I've no interest in living in any big metro center, with
the possible exception of San Francisco. I've been to Atlanta maybe a
half dozen times on business and do not find it appealing. It is
nothing like D.C., which is a pretty small city. If we were to live
again in Florida, we think St. Augustine is livable. We like visiting
Ft. Lauderdale and Miami in the winter, though.


Your fixation on homosexuality will stand you in good stead in SF.
Terrible place anymore. Has been ruined in the last 20-30 years. Homeless
everywhere, even city hall grounds. I grew up across the bay from San
Francisco, liked it. Went to City College of SF, and graduated from SF
State. Worked there for 10 years. The political leaders have trashed the
place. Over taxed, under served.

I spent a week in San Francisco in 74 and it sucked then.

We visited San Francisco several years ago. I enjoyed the view of the Golden
Gate Bridge from the view point across the bay. The rest of it pretty much
sucked. And I hear it's gone way downhill since then. Of course, being a liberal
who welcomes illegal immigrants, Harry probably finds scenes like this very
comforting.

https://www.google.com/search?q=san+...wT5Ykj4trHAK8M

or:shorturl.at/gnyAM

IBM put is up at the Hyatt (I think) It was that class a hotel anyway
and we had most of it. My favorite spot in the whole city was sitting
on the roof of the cat walk between the 15 floors of the 2 towers. 150
feet above the city is how you should see it., The bay bridge was out
there along with city lights like you would expect. That was great
until someone saw me and thought I was jumping or something. I was
sitting there with my feet dangling over the edge enjoying my
cocktail.
I managed to get inside before the fire department arrived. ;-)

They told me I couldn't do that anymore and they nailed the windows
shut.

wrote:
On Sun, 24 Jan 2021 12:05:30 -0500, John wrote:

On Sat, 23 Jan 2021 14:23:11 -0500, wrote:

On Sat, 23 Jan 2021 06:16:49 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

Keyser Söze wrote:
On 1/22/21 9:07 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 22 Jan 2021 10:56:13 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 1/22/21 10:35 AM, Wayne B wrote:
On Fri, 22 Jan 2021 07:18:12 -0500 (EST), justan wrote:

Wayne B Wrote in message:r
On Thu, 21 Jan 2021 20:15:08 -0500, John
wrote:Or, Wayne and Harry, are these just 'peaceful protests' instigated by
Trump?https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/21/us/protests-portland-seattle-biden.htmlhttps://www.wsj.com/articles/inauguration-day-protests-in-portland-seattle-turned-violent-11611260877How
do you explain that ****? Note that a Federal courthouse was attacked,
no one was shot.Wow.===Wow indeed. Were there members of
congress inside the courthousetrying to carry out the constitutional
process of certifying thepresidential electoral college votes? Were the
rioters incited by thePOTUS in an attempt to overturn his election
defeat?None of that excuses mob violence of course, no matter where and
whyit happens. I'm also thinking that Portland
needs to make a concertedeffort to identify and arrest some of these
hooligans. I suspectthey've got a hard core group of repeat offenders
that should be dealtwith.

Do we have any numbers yet on the dwindling population of NYC, NY
State, California, and Washington State. Just curious. My
unscientific poll says a significant number of NYers and Fornians
are moving to Florida.

===

Florida has been a popular retirement destination for New Yorkers for
more than 70 years. Over here on the left coast most of our newcomers
are from the mid-west. I call it the I-75 pipeline effect. There has
definitely been a move out of New York City. Between Covid, high tax
rates and crime, there have been a lot of reasons to leave. My oldest
son and his wife have done that, turning their summer home out east
into their year round residence, and working from home.



I gave up trying to convince my wife that my favorite little Connecticut
town, Milford, would be a great place to retire. She's a Southern belle,
and cannot tolerate the winter cold there or the water temperature of
the Sound for swimming in the summer...too cold for her.

Neither of us want to return to Florida. Number One on our "hit list"
are a couple of areas just west of Savannah. Hilton Head is still nice,
but it is pretty congested these days and we noticed that for months at
a time, from spring through September at least, the auto traffic is very
heavy all around the island and just off of it. If you go off-island,
the traffic wait to get back on it is lengthy and annoying. Also, a lot
of the island is looking worn-out. Plus, Georgia seems a bit more
socially progressive than South Carolina, as evidenced that in the
recent elections there, a black minister and a Jew were elected to the
U.S. Senate, both Democrats.

Atlanta might be for you. It is pretty much like DC and I lived in
both places. Those is the people who are driving Georgia politics now.


That's funny. I've no interest in living in any big metro center, with
the possible exception of San Francisco. I've been to Atlanta maybe a
half dozen times on business and do not find it appealing. It is
nothing like D.C., which is a pretty small city. If we were to live
again in Florida, we think St. Augustine is livable. We like visiting
Ft. Lauderdale and Miami in the winter, though.


Your fixation on homosexuality will stand you in good stead in SF.
Terrible place anymore. Has been ruined in the last 20-30 years. Homeless
everywhere, even city hall grounds. I grew up across the bay from San
Francisco, liked it. Went to City College of SF, and graduated from SF
State. Worked there for 10 years. The political leaders have trashed the
place. Over taxed, under served.

I spent a week in San Francisco in 74 and it sucked then.

We visited San Francisco several years ago. I enjoyed the view of the Golden
Gate Bridge from the view point across the bay. The rest of it pretty much
sucked. And I hear it's gone way downhill since then. Of course, being a liberal
who welcomes illegal immigrants, Harry probably finds scenes like this very
comforting.

https://www.google.com/search?q=san+...wT5Ykj4trHAK8M

or:shorturl.at/gnyAM

IBM put is up at the Hyatt (I think) It was that class a hotel anyway
and we had most of it. My favorite spot in the whole city was sitting
on the roof of the cat walk between the 15 floors of the 2 towers. 150
feet above the city is how you should see it., The bay bridge was out
there along with city lights like you would expect. That was great
until someone saw me and thought I was jumping or something. I was
sitting there with my feet dangling over the edge enjoying my
cocktail.
I managed to get inside before the fire department arrived. ;-)

They told me I couldn't do that anymore and they nailed the windows
shut.


The best was the Jack Tar hotel. They had a rotating cylinder sign on the
roof. Sit on the edge and get a 360 degrees view. I think it is now the
Cathedral Hill Hotel.

On Mon, 25 Jan 2021 01:37:28 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

wrote:
On Sun, 24 Jan 2021 12:05:30 -0500, John wrote:

On Sat, 23 Jan 2021 14:23:11 -0500, wrote:

On Sat, 23 Jan 2021 06:16:49 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

Keyser Söze wrote:
On 1/22/21 9:07 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 22 Jan 2021 10:56:13 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 1/22/21 10:35 AM, Wayne B wrote:
On Fri, 22 Jan 2021 07:18:12 -0500 (EST), justan wrote:

Wayne B Wrote in message:r
On Thu, 21 Jan 2021 20:15:08 -0500, John
wrote:Or, Wayne and Harry, are these just 'peaceful protests' instigated by
Trump?https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/21/us/protests-portland-seattle-biden.htmlhttps://www.wsj.com/articles/inauguration-day-protests-in-portland-seattle-turned-violent-11611260877How
do you explain that ****? Note that a Federal courthouse was attacked,
no one was shot.Wow.===Wow indeed. Were there members of
congress inside the courthousetrying to carry out the constitutional
process of certifying thepresidential electoral college votes? Were the
rioters incited by thePOTUS in an attempt to overturn his election
defeat?None of that excuses mob violence of course, no matter where and
whyit happens. I'm also thinking that Portland
needs to make a concertedeffort to identify and arrest some of these
hooligans. I suspectthey've got a hard core group of repeat offenders
that should be dealtwith.

Do we have any numbers yet on the dwindling population of NYC, NY
State, California, and Washington State. Just curious. My
unscientific poll says a significant number of NYers and Fornians
are moving to Florida.

===

Florida has been a popular retirement destination for New Yorkers for
more than 70 years. Over here on the left coast most of our newcomers
are from the mid-west. I call it the I-75 pipeline effect. There has
definitely been a move out of New York City. Between Covid, high tax
rates and crime, there have been a lot of reasons to leave. My oldest
son and his wife have done that, turning their summer home out east
into their year round residence, and working from home.



I gave up trying to convince my wife that my favorite little Connecticut
town, Milford, would be a great place to retire. She's a Southern belle,
and cannot tolerate the winter cold there or the water temperature of
the Sound for swimming in the summer...too cold for her.

Neither of us want to return to Florida. Number One on our "hit list"
are a couple of areas just west of Savannah. Hilton Head is still nice,
but it is pretty congested these days and we noticed that for months at
a time, from spring through September at least, the auto traffic is very
heavy all around the island and just off of it. If you go off-island,
the traffic wait to get back on it is lengthy and annoying. Also, a lot
of the island is looking worn-out. Plus, Georgia seems a bit more
socially progressive than South Carolina, as evidenced that in the
recent elections there, a black minister and a Jew were elected to the
U.S. Senate, both Democrats.

Atlanta might be for you. It is pretty much like DC and I lived in
both places. Those is the people who are driving Georgia politics now.


That's funny. I've no interest in living in any big metro center, with
the possible exception of San Francisco. I've been to Atlanta maybe a
half dozen times on business and do not find it appealing. It is
nothing like D.C., which is a pretty small city. If we were to live
again in Florida, we think St. Augustine is livable. We like visiting
Ft. Lauderdale and Miami in the winter, though.


Your fixation on homosexuality will stand you in good stead in SF.
Terrible place anymore. Has been ruined in the last 20-30 years. Homeless
everywhere, even city hall grounds. I grew up across the bay from San
Francisco, liked it. Went to City College of SF, and graduated from SF
State. Worked there for 10 years. The political leaders have trashed the
place. Over taxed, under served.

I spent a week in San Francisco in 74 and it sucked then.

We visited San Francisco several years ago. I enjoyed the view of the Golden
Gate Bridge from the view point across the bay. The rest of it pretty much
sucked. And I hear it's gone way downhill since then. Of course, being a liberal
who welcomes illegal immigrants, Harry probably finds scenes like this very
comforting.

https://www.google.com/search?q=san+...wT5Ykj4trHAK8M

or:shorturl.at/gnyAM

IBM put is up at the Hyatt (I think) It was that class a hotel anyway
and we had most of it. My favorite spot in the whole city was sitting
on the roof of the cat walk between the 15 floors of the 2 towers. 150
feet above the city is how you should see it., The bay bridge was out
there along with city lights like you would expect. That was great
until someone saw me and thought I was jumping or something. I was
sitting there with my feet dangling over the edge enjoying my
cocktail.
I managed to get inside before the fire department arrived. ;-)

They told me I couldn't do that anymore and they nailed the windows
shut.


The best was the Jack Tar hotel. They had a rotating cylinder sign on the
roof. Sit on the edge and get a 360 degrees view. I think it is now the
Cathedral Hill Hotel.

You probably know the hotel I am talking about. It is in the
tenderloin, 2 tall towers with a catwalk between them on the 16th
floor. I am thinking Hyatt.