On Fri, 22 Jan 2021 10:56:13 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 1/22/21 10:35 AM, Wayne B wrote:
On Fri, 22 Jan 2021 07:18:12 -0500 (EST), justan wrote:

Wayne B Wrote in message:r
On Thu, 21 Jan 2021 20:15:08 -0500, John wrote:Or, Wayne and Harry, are these just 'peaceful protests' instigated by
Trump?https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/21/us/protests-portland-seattle-biden.htmlhttps://www.wsj.com/articles/inauguration-day-protests-in-portland-seattle-turned-violent-11611260877How do you explain that ****? Note that a Federal courthouse was attacked, butno one was shot.Wow.===Wow indeed. Were there members of
congress inside the courthousetrying to carry out the constitutional process of certifying thepresidential electoral college votes? Were the rioters incited by thePOTUS in an attempt to overturn his election defeat?None of that excuses mob violence of course, no matter where and whyit happens. I'm also thinking that Portland
needs to make a concertedeffort to identify and arrest some of these hooligans. I suspectthey've got a hard core group of repeat offenders that should be dealtwith.

Do we have any numbers yet on the dwindling population of NYC, NY
State, California, and Washington State. Just curious. My
unscientific poll says a significant number of NYers and Fornians
are moving to Florida.

===

Florida has been a popular retirement destination for New Yorkers for
more than 70 years. Over here on the left coast most of our newcomers
are from the mid-west. I call it the I-75 pipeline effect. There has
definitely been a move out of New York City. Between Covid, high tax
rates and crime, there have been a lot of reasons to leave. My oldest
son and his wife have done that, turning their summer home out east
into their year round residence, and working from home.



I gave up trying to convince my wife that my favorite little Connecticut
town, Milford, would be a great place to retire. She's a Southern belle,
and cannot tolerate the winter cold there or the water temperature of
the Sound for swimming in the summer...too cold for her.

Neither of us want to return to Florida. Number One on our "hit list"
are a couple of areas just west of Savannah. Hilton Head is still nice,
but it is pretty congested these days and we noticed that for months at
a time, from spring through September at least, the auto traffic is very
heavy all around the island and just off of it. If you go off-island,
the traffic wait to get back on it is lengthy and annoying. Also, a lot
of the island is looking worn-out. Plus, Georgia seems a bit more
socially progressive than South Carolina, as evidenced that in the
recent elections there, a black minister and a Jew were elected to the
U.S. Senate, both Democrats.

Atlanta might be for you. It is pretty much like DC and I lived in
both places. Those is the people who are driving Georgia politics now.

On Fri, 22 Jan 2021 13:18:33 -0500, Wayne B
wrote:

On Fri, 22 Jan 2021 10:56:13 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 1/22/21 10:35 AM, Wayne B wrote:
On Fri, 22 Jan 2021 07:18:12 -0500 (EST), justan wrote:

Wayne B Wrote in message:r
On Thu, 21 Jan 2021 20:15:08 -0500, John wrote:Or, Wayne and Harry, are these just 'peaceful protests' instigated by
Trump?https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/21/us/protests-portland-seattle-biden.htmlhttps://www.wsj.com/articles/inauguration-day-protests-in-portland-seattle-turned-violent-11611260877How do you explain that ****? Note that a Federal courthouse was attacked, butno one was shot.Wow.===Wow indeed. Were there members of
congress inside the courthousetrying to carry out the constitutional process of certifying thepresidential electoral college votes? Were the rioters incited by thePOTUS in an attempt to overturn his election defeat?None of that excuses mob violence of course, no matter where and whyit happens. I'm also thinking that Portland
needs to make a concertedeffort to identify and arrest some of these hooligans. I suspectthey've got a hard core group of repeat offenders that should be dealtwith.

Do we have any numbers yet on the dwindling population of NYC, NY
State, California, and Washington State. Just curious. My
unscientific poll says a significant number of NYers and Fornians
are moving to Florida.

===

Florida has been a popular retirement destination for New Yorkers for
more than 70 years. Over here on the left coast most of our newcomers
are from the mid-west. I call it the I-75 pipeline effect. There has
definitely been a move out of New York City. Between Covid, high tax
rates and crime, there have been a lot of reasons to leave. My oldest
son and his wife have done that, turning their summer home out east
into their year round residence, and working from home.



I gave up trying to convince my wife that my favorite little Connecticut
town, Milford, would be a great place to retire. She's a Southern belle,
and cannot tolerate the winter cold there or the water temperature of
the Sound for swimming in the summer...too cold for her.

Neither of us want to return to Florida. Number One on our "hit list"
are a couple of areas just west of Savannah. Hilton Head is still nice,
but it is pretty congested these days and we noticed that for months at
a time, from spring through September at least, the auto traffic is very
heavy all around the island and just off of it. If you go off-island,
the traffic wait to get back on it is lengthy and annoying. Also, a lot
of the island is looking worn-out. Plus, Georgia seems a bit more
socially progressive than South Carolina, as evidenced that in the
recent elections there, a black minister and a Jew were elected to the
U.S. Senate, both Democrats.

===

We know a number of people who have left Florida for various reasons.
Popular destinations seem to be Tennessee, Georgia and the mountain
areas of North Carolina near Asheville. We also know a few who have
gone full time RVing.

Those folks up there call their new residents "half backs".
They moved south, then moved half way back. I know a few myself. One
was originally from Georgia tho. The other 3 were from Illinois,
Michigan and Ohio. They are in Tennessee.

On Fri, 22 Jan 2021 16:24:07 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 1/22/21 1:18 PM, Wayne B wrote:
On Fri, 22 Jan 2021 10:56:13 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 1/22/21 10:35 AM, Wayne B wrote:
On Fri, 22 Jan 2021 07:18:12 -0500 (EST), justan wrote:

Wayne B Wrote in message:r
On Thu, 21 Jan 2021 20:15:08 -0500, John wrote:Or, Wayne and Harry, are these just 'peaceful protests' instigated by
Trump?https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/21/us/protests-portland-seattle-biden.htmlhttps://www.wsj.com/articles/inauguration-day-protests-in-portland-seattle-turned-violent-11611260877How do you explain that ****? Note that a Federal courthouse was attacked, butno one was shot.Wow.===Wow indeed. Were there members of
congress inside the courthousetrying to carry out the constitutional process of certifying thepresidential electoral college votes? Were the rioters incited by thePOTUS in an attempt to overturn his election defeat?None of that excuses mob violence of course, no matter where and whyit happens. I'm also thinking that Portland
needs to make a concertedeffort to identify and arrest some of these hooligans. I suspectthey've got a hard core group of repeat offenders that should be dealtwith.

Do we have any numbers yet on the dwindling population of NYC, NY
State, California, and Washington State. Just curious. My
unscientific poll says a significant number of NYers and Fornians
are moving to Florida.

===

Florida has been a popular retirement destination for New Yorkers for
more than 70 years. Over here on the left coast most of our newcomers
are from the mid-west. I call it the I-75 pipeline effect. There has
definitely been a move out of New York City. Between Covid, high tax
rates and crime, there have been a lot of reasons to leave. My oldest
son and his wife have done that, turning their summer home out east
into their year round residence, and working from home.



I gave up trying to convince my wife that my favorite little Connecticut
town, Milford, would be a great place to retire. She's a Southern belle,
and cannot tolerate the winter cold there or the water temperature of
the Sound for swimming in the summer...too cold for her.

Neither of us want to return to Florida. Number One on our "hit list"
are a couple of areas just west of Savannah. Hilton Head is still nice,
but it is pretty congested these days and we noticed that for months at
a time, from spring through September at least, the auto traffic is very
heavy all around the island and just off of it. If you go off-island,
the traffic wait to get back on it is lengthy and annoying. Also, a lot
of the island is looking worn-out. Plus, Georgia seems a bit more
socially progressive than South Carolina, as evidenced that in the
recent elections there, a black minister and a Jew were elected to the
U.S. Senate, both Democrats.

===

We know a number of people who have left Florida for various reasons.
Popular destinations seem to be Tennessee, Georgia and the mountain
areas of North Carolina near Asheville. We also know a few who have
gone full time RVing.


I doubt we could tolerate Tennessee politically. Wife has a couple of
relatives near Asheville she visits. RVing has no appeal.

The only way I could see RVing is if I was left all alone and decided
to do the Sal Paradise thing but I suspect I would end up just coming
back here and parking it after a while. I really like this place.

I would need to find a Deena tho. I prefer the company of women.

On 1/22/21 9:07 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 22 Jan 2021 10:56:13 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 1/22/21 10:35 AM, Wayne B wrote:
On Fri, 22 Jan 2021 07:18:12 -0500 (EST), justan wrote:

Wayne B Wrote in message:r
On Thu, 21 Jan 2021 20:15:08 -0500, John wrote:Or, Wayne and Harry, are these just 'peaceful protests' instigated by
Trump?https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/21/us/protests-portland-seattle-biden.htmlhttps://www.wsj.com/articles/inauguration-day-protests-in-portland-seattle-turned-violent-11611260877How do you explain that ****? Note that a Federal courthouse was attacked, butno one was shot.Wow.===Wow indeed. Were there members of
congress inside the courthousetrying to carry out the constitutional process of certifying thepresidential electoral college votes? Were the rioters incited by thePOTUS in an attempt to overturn his election defeat?None of that excuses mob violence of course, no matter where and whyit happens. I'm also thinking that Portland
needs to make a concertedeffort to identify and arrest some of these hooligans. I suspectthey've got a hard core group of repeat offenders that should be dealtwith.

Do we have any numbers yet on the dwindling population of NYC, NY
State, California, and Washington State. Just curious. My
unscientific poll says a significant number of NYers and Fornians
are moving to Florida.

===

Florida has been a popular retirement destination for New Yorkers for
more than 70 years. Over here on the left coast most of our newcomers
are from the mid-west. I call it the I-75 pipeline effect. There has
definitely been a move out of New York City. Between Covid, high tax
rates and crime, there have been a lot of reasons to leave. My oldest
son and his wife have done that, turning their summer home out east
into their year round residence, and working from home.



I gave up trying to convince my wife that my favorite little Connecticut
town, Milford, would be a great place to retire. She's a Southern belle,
and cannot tolerate the winter cold there or the water temperature of
the Sound for swimming in the summer...too cold for her.

Neither of us want to return to Florida. Number One on our "hit list"
are a couple of areas just west of Savannah. Hilton Head is still nice,
but it is pretty congested these days and we noticed that for months at
a time, from spring through September at least, the auto traffic is very
heavy all around the island and just off of it. If you go off-island,
the traffic wait to get back on it is lengthy and annoying. Also, a lot
of the island is looking worn-out. Plus, Georgia seems a bit more
socially progressive than South Carolina, as evidenced that in the
recent elections there, a black minister and a Jew were elected to the
U.S. Senate, both Democrats.

Atlanta might be for you. It is pretty much like DC and I lived in
both places. Those is the people who are driving Georgia politics now.


That's funny. I've no interest in living in any big metro center, with
the possible exception of San Francisco. I've been to Atlanta maybe a
half dozen times on business and do not find it appealing. It is
nothing like D.C., which is a pretty small city. If we were to live
again in Florida, we think St. Augustine is livable. We like visiting
Ft. Lauderdale and Miami in the winter, though.

--
Bozo Binned: Herring, Bert Robbins, JackGoff 452471atgmail.com,
Just-AN-Asshole, Tim, AMDX, and Gunboy Alex, aka the Gang of Dull,
Witless, Insult-Tossing Trumpsters. If you are on this list, I don't see
most of your posts and I don't read any of them.

Keyser Söze wrote:
On 1/22/21 9:07 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 22 Jan 2021 10:56:13 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 1/22/21 10:35 AM, Wayne B wrote:
On Fri, 22 Jan 2021 07:18:12 -0500 (EST), justan wrote:

Wayne B Wrote in message:r
On Thu, 21 Jan 2021 20:15:08 -0500, John
wrote:Or, Wayne and Harry, are these just 'peaceful protests' instigated by
Trump?https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/21/us/protests-portland-seattle-biden.htmlhttps://www.wsj.com/articles/inauguration-day-protests-in-portland-seattle-turned-violent-11611260877How
do you explain that ****? Note that a Federal courthouse was attacked,
butno one was shot.Wow.===Wow indeed. Were there members of
congress inside the courthousetrying to carry out the constitutional
process of certifying thepresidential electoral college votes? Were the
rioters incited by thePOTUS in an attempt to overturn his election
defeat?None of that excuses mob violence of course, no matter where and
whyit happens. I'm also thinking that Portland
needs to make a concertedeffort to identify and arrest some of these
hooligans. I suspectthey've got a hard core group of repeat offenders
that should be dealtwith.

Do we have any numbers yet on the dwindling population of NYC, NY
State, California, and Washington State. Just curious. My
unscientific poll says a significant number of NYers and Fornians
are moving to Florida.

===

Florida has been a popular retirement destination for New Yorkers for
more than 70 years. Over here on the left coast most of our newcomers
are from the mid-west. I call it the I-75 pipeline effect. There has
definitely been a move out of New York City. Between Covid, high tax
rates and crime, there have been a lot of reasons to leave. My oldest
son and his wife have done that, turning their summer home out east
into their year round residence, and working from home.



I gave up trying to convince my wife that my favorite little Connecticut
town, Milford, would be a great place to retire. She's a Southern belle,
and cannot tolerate the winter cold there or the water temperature of
the Sound for swimming in the summer...too cold for her.

Neither of us want to return to Florida. Number One on our "hit list"
are a couple of areas just west of Savannah. Hilton Head is still nice,
but it is pretty congested these days and we noticed that for months at
a time, from spring through September at least, the auto traffic is very
heavy all around the island and just off of it. If you go off-island,
the traffic wait to get back on it is lengthy and annoying. Also, a lot
of the island is looking worn-out. Plus, Georgia seems a bit more
socially progressive than South Carolina, as evidenced that in the
recent elections there, a black minister and a Jew were elected to the
U.S. Senate, both Democrats.

Atlanta might be for you. It is pretty much like DC and I lived in
both places. Those is the people who are driving Georgia politics now.


That's funny. I've no interest in living in any big metro center, with
the possible exception of San Francisco. I've been to Atlanta maybe a
half dozen times on business and do not find it appealing. It is
nothing like D.C., which is a pretty small city. If we were to live
again in Florida, we think St. Augustine is livable. We like visiting
Ft. Lauderdale and Miami in the winter, though.


Your fixation on homosexuality will stand you in good stead in SF.
Terrible place anymore. Has been ruined in the last 20-30 years. Homeless
everywhere, even city hall grounds. I grew up across the bay from San
Francisco, liked it. Went to City College of SF, and graduated from SF
State. Worked there for 10 years. The political leaders have trashed the
place. Over taxed, under served.

Keyser Söze Wrote in message:r
On 1/22/21 9:07 PM, wrote: On Fri, 22 Jan 2021 10:56:13 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 1/22/21 10:35 AM, Wayne B wrote: On Fri, 22 Jan 2021 07:18:12 -0500 (EST), justan wrote: Wayne B Wrote in message:r On Thu, 21 Jan 2021 20:15:08 -0500, John wrote:Or, Wayne and Harry, are these just 'peaceful protests' instigated by Trump?https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/21/us/protests-portland-seattle-biden.htmlhttps://www.wsj.com/articles/inauguration-day-protests-in-portland-seattle-turned-violent-11611260877How do you explain that ****? Note that a Federal courthouse was attacked, butno one was shot.Wow.===Wow indeed. Were there members of congress inside the courthousetrying to carry out the constitutional process of certifying thepresidential electoral college votes? Were the rioters incited by thePOTUS in an attempt to overturn his election defeat?None of that excuses mob violence of course, no matter where and whyit happens. I'm also thinking that Portland needs to make a concertedeffort to identify and arrest some of these hooligans. I suspectthey've got a hard core group of repeat offenders that should be dealtwith. Do we have any numbers yet on the dwindling population of NYC, NY State, California, and Washington State. Just curious. My unscientific poll says a significant number of NYers and Fornians are moving to Florida. === Florida has been a popular retirement destination for New Yorkers for more than 70 years. Over here on the left coast most of our newcomers are from the mid-west. I call it the I-75 pipeline effect. There has definitely been a move out of New York City. Between Covid, high tax rates and crime, there have been a lot of reasons to leave. My oldest son and his wife have done that, turning their summer home out east into their year round residence, and working from home. I gave up trying to convince my wife that my favorite little Connecticut town, Milford, would be a great place to retire. She's a Southern belle, and cannot tolerate the winter cold there or the water temperature of the Sound for swimming in the summer...too cold for her. Neither of us want to return to Florida. Number One on our "hit list" are a couple of areas just west of Savannah. Hilton Head is still nice, but it is pretty congested these days and we noticed that for months at a time, from spring through September at least, the auto traffic is very heavy all around the island and just off of it. If you go off-island, the traffic wait to get back on it is lengthy and annoying. Also, a lot of the island is looking worn-out. Plus, Georgia seems a bit more socially progressive than South Carolina, as evidenced that in the recent elections there, a black minister and a Jew were elected to the U.S. Senate, both Democrats. Atlanta might be for you. It is pretty much like DC and I lived in both places. Those is the people who are driving Georgia politics now. That's funny. I've no interest in living in any big metro center, with the possible exception of San Francisco. I've been to Atlanta maybe a half dozen times on business and do not find it appealing. It is nothing like D.C., which is a pretty small city. If we were to live again in Florida, we think St. Augustine is livable. We like visiting Ft. Lauderdale and Miami in the winter, though.-- Bozo Binned: Herring, Bert Robbins, JackGoff 452471atgmail.com,Just-AN-Asshole, Tim, AMDX, and Gunboy Alex, aka the Gang of Dull,Witless, Insult-Tossing Trumpsters. If you are on this list, I don't seemost of your posts and I don't read any of them.

Next time you are in St. Augustine, drop in at the alligator farm
for lunch. I'm sure they'd be delighted to have you.

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Bill Wrote in message:r
Keyser Söze wrote: On 1/22/21 9:07 PM, wrote: On Fri, 22 Jan 2021 10:56:13 -0500, Keyser Söze wrote: On 1/22/21 10:35 AM, Wayne B wrote: On Fri, 22 Jan 2021 07:18:12 -0500 (EST), justan wrote: Wayne B Wrote in message:r On Thu, 21 Jan 2021 20:15:08 -0500, John wrote:Or, Wayne and Harry, are these just 'peaceful protests' instigated by Trump?https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/21/us/protests-portland-seattle-biden.htmlhttps://www.wsj.com/articles/inauguration-day-protests-in-portland-seattle-turned-violent-11611260877How do you explain that ****? Note that a Federal courthouse was attacked, butno one was shot.Wow.===Wow indeed. Were there members of congress inside the courthousetrying to carry out the constitutional process of certifying thepresidential electoral college votes? Were the rioters incited by thePOTUS in an attempt to overturn his election defeat?None of that excuses mob violence of course, no matter where and whyit happens. I'm also thinking that Portland needs to make a concertedeffort to identify and arrest some of these hooligans. I suspectthey've got a hard core group of repeat offenders that should be dealtwith. Do we have any numbers yet on the dwindling population of NYC, NY State, California, and Washington State. Just curious. My unscientific poll says a significant number of NYers and Fornians are moving to Florida. === Florida has been a popular retirement destination for New Yorkers for more than 70 years. Over here on the left coast most of our newcomers are from the mid-west. I call it the I-75 pipeline effect. There has definitely been a move out of New York City. Between Covid, high tax rates and crime, there have been a lot of reasons to leave. My oldest son and his wife have done that, turning their summer home out east into their year round residence, and working from home. I gave up trying to convince my wife that my favorite little Connecticut town, Milford, would be a great place to retire. She's a Southern belle, and cannot tolerate the winter cold there or the water temperature of the Sound for swimming in the summer...too cold for her. Neither of us want to return to Florida. Number One on our "hit list" are a couple of areas just west of Savannah. Hilton Head is still nice, but it is pretty congested these days and we noticed that for months at a time, from spring through September at least, the auto traffic is very heavy all around the island and just off of it. If you go off-island, the traffic wait to get back on it is lengthy and annoying. Also, a lot of the island is looking worn-out. Plus, Georgia seems a bit more socially progressive than South Carolina, as evidenced that in the recent elections there, a black minister and a Jew were elected to the U.S. Senate, both Democrats. Atlanta might be for you. It is pretty much like DC and I lived in both places. Those is the people who are driving Georgia politics now. That's funny. I've no interest in living in any big metro center, with the possible exception of San Francisco. I've been to Atlanta maybe a half dozen times on business and do not find it appealing. It is nothing like D.C., which is a pretty small city. If we were to live again in Florida, we think St. Augustine is livable. We like visiting Ft. Lauderdale and Miami in the winter, though. Your fixation on homosexuality will stand you in good stead in SF. Terrible place anymore. Has been ruined in the last 20-30 years. Homelesseverywhere, even city hall grounds. I grew up across the bay from SanFrancisco, liked it. Went to City College of SF, and graduated from SFState. Worked there for 10 years. The political leaders have trashed theplace. Over taxed, under served.
Those damn republicans. They ruin everything, eh?
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justan wrote:
Bill Wrote in message:r
Keyser Söze wrote: On 1/22/21 9:07 PM,
wrote: On Fri, 22 Jan 2021 10:56:13 -0500, Keyser
Söze wrote: On 1/22/21 10:35 AM,
Wayne B wrote: On Fri, 22 Jan 2021 07:18:12 -0500 (EST), justan
wrote: Wayne B
Wrote in message:r On Thu, 21 Jan 2021 20:15:08 -0500, John
wrote:Or, Wayne and Harry, are these just
'peaceful protests' instigated by
Trump?https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/21/us/protests-portland-seattle-biden.htmlhttps://www.wsj.com/articles/inauguration-day-protests-in-portland-seattle-turned-violent-11611260877How
do you explain that ****? Note that a Federal courthouse was attacked,
butno one was shot.Wow.===Wow indeed. Were there members of
congress inside the courthousetrying to carry out the constitutional
process of certifying thepresidential electoral college votes? Were
the rioters incited by thePOTUS in an attempt to overturn his
election defeat?None of that excuses mob violence of course, no matter
where and whyit happens. I'm also thinking that Portland needs to
make a concertedeffort to identify and arrest some of these hooligans.
I suspectthey've got a hard core group of repeat offenders that
should be dealtwith. Do we have any numbers yet on the
dwindling population of NYC, NY State, California, and Washington
State. Just curious. My unscientific poll says a significant number
of NYers and Fornians are moving to Florida. ===
Florida has been a popular retirement destination for New Yorkers
for more than 70 years. Over here on the left coast most of our
newcomers are from the mid-west. I call it the I-75 pipeline
effect. There has definitely been a move out of New York City.
Between Covid, high tax rates and crime, there have been a lot of
reasons to leave. My oldest son and his wife have done that,
turning their summer home out east into their year round residence,
and working from home. I gave up trying to convince my
wife that my favorite little Connecticut town, Milford, would be a
great place to retire. She's a Southern belle, and cannot tolerate
the winter cold there or the water temperature of the Sound for
swimming in the summer...too cold for her. Neither of us want to
return to Florida. Number One on our "hit list" are a couple of areas
just west of Savannah. Hilton Head is still nice, but it is pretty
congested these days and we noticed that for months at a time, from
spring through September at least, the auto traffic is very heavy all
around the island and just off of it. If you go off-island, the
traffic wait to get back on it is lengthy and annoying. Also, a lot
of the island is looking worn-out. Plus, Georgia seems a bit more
socially progressive than South Carolina, as evidenced that in the
recent elections there, a black minister and a Jew were elected to
the U.S. Senate, both Democrats. Atlanta might be for you. It is
pretty much like DC and I lived in both places. Those is the people
who are driving Georgia politics now. That's funny. I've no
interest in living in any big metro center, with the possible
exception of San Francisco. I've been to Atlanta maybe a half dozen
times on business and do not find it appealing. It is nothing like
D.C., which is a pretty small city. If we were to live again in
Florida, we think St. Augustine is livable. We like visiting Ft.
Lauderdale and Miami in the winter, though. Your fixation on
homosexuality will stand you in good stead in SF. Terrible place
anymore. Has been ruined in the last 20-30 years. Homelesseverywhere,
even city hall grounds. I grew up across the bay from SanFrancisco,
liked it. Went to City College of SF, and graduated from SFState.
Worked there for 10 years. The political leaders have trashed theplace.
Over taxed, under served.
Those damn republicans. They ruin everything, eh?

Same group emigrated to Portland. Why Oregonians dislike California.
Bring their mindset.

On Fri, 22 Jan 2021 22:35:00 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 1/22/21 9:07 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 22 Jan 2021 10:56:13 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 1/22/21 10:35 AM, Wayne B wrote:
On Fri, 22 Jan 2021 07:18:12 -0500 (EST), justan wrote:

Wayne B Wrote in message:r
On Thu, 21 Jan 2021 20:15:08 -0500, John wrote:Or, Wayne and Harry, are these just 'peaceful protests' instigated by
Trump?https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/21/us/protests-portland-seattle-biden.htmlhttps://www.wsj.com/articles/inauguration-day-protests-in-portland-seattle-turned-violent-11611260877How do you explain that ****? Note that a Federal courthouse was attacked, butno one was shot.Wow.===Wow indeed. Were there members of
congress inside the courthousetrying to carry out the constitutional process of certifying thepresidential electoral college votes? Were the rioters incited by thePOTUS in an attempt to overturn his election defeat?None of that excuses mob violence of course, no matter where and whyit happens. I'm also thinking that Portland
needs to make a concertedeffort to identify and arrest some of these hooligans. I suspectthey've got a hard core group of repeat offenders that should be dealtwith.

Do we have any numbers yet on the dwindling population of NYC, NY
State, California, and Washington State. Just curious. My
unscientific poll says a significant number of NYers and Fornians
are moving to Florida.

===

Florida has been a popular retirement destination for New Yorkers for
more than 70 years. Over here on the left coast most of our newcomers
are from the mid-west. I call it the I-75 pipeline effect. There has
definitely been a move out of New York City. Between Covid, high tax
rates and crime, there have been a lot of reasons to leave. My oldest
son and his wife have done that, turning their summer home out east
into their year round residence, and working from home.



I gave up trying to convince my wife that my favorite little Connecticut
town, Milford, would be a great place to retire. She's a Southern belle,
and cannot tolerate the winter cold there or the water temperature of
the Sound for swimming in the summer...too cold for her.

Neither of us want to return to Florida. Number One on our "hit list"
are a couple of areas just west of Savannah. Hilton Head is still nice,
but it is pretty congested these days and we noticed that for months at
a time, from spring through September at least, the auto traffic is very
heavy all around the island and just off of it. If you go off-island,
the traffic wait to get back on it is lengthy and annoying. Also, a lot
of the island is looking worn-out. Plus, Georgia seems a bit more
socially progressive than South Carolina, as evidenced that in the
recent elections there, a black minister and a Jew were elected to the
U.S. Senate, both Democrats.

Atlanta might be for you. It is pretty much like DC and I lived in
both places. Those is the people who are driving Georgia politics now.


That's funny. I've no interest in living in any big metro center, with
the possible exception of San Francisco. I've been to Atlanta maybe a
half dozen times on business and do not find it appealing. It is
nothing like D.C., which is a pretty small city. If we were to live
again in Florida, we think St. Augustine is livable. We like visiting
Ft. Lauderdale and Miami in the winter, though.

I think you and Donnie would do remarkably well in San Francisco.
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On Friday, January 22, 2021 at 9:12:01 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Fri, 22 Jan 2021 13:18:33 -0500, Wayne B
wrote:

On Fri, 22 Jan 2021 10:56:13 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 1/22/21 10:35 AM, Wayne B wrote:
On Fri, 22 Jan 2021 07:18:12 -0500 (EST), justan wrote:

Wayne B Wrote in message:r
On Thu, 21 Jan 2021 20:15:08 -0500, John wrote:Or, Wayne and Harry, are these just 'peaceful protests' instigated by
Trump?https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/21/us/protests-portland-seattle-biden.htmlhttps://www.wsj.com/articles/inauguration-day-protests-in-portland-seattle-turned-violent-11611260877How do you explain that ****? Note that a Federal courthouse was attacked, butno one was shot.Wow.===Wow indeed. Were there members of
congress inside the courthousetrying to carry out the constitutional process of certifying thepresidential electoral college votes? Were the rioters incited by thePOTUS in an attempt to overturn his election defeat?None of that excuses mob violence of course, no matter where and whyit happens. I'm also thinking that Portland
needs to make a concertedeffort to identify and arrest some of these hooligans. I suspectthey've got a hard core group of repeat offenders that should be dealtwith.

Do we have any numbers yet on the dwindling population of NYC, NY
State, California, and Washington State. Just curious. My
unscientific poll says a significant number of NYers and Fornians
are moving to Florida.

===

Florida has been a popular retirement destination for New Yorkers for
more than 70 years. Over here on the left coast most of our newcomers
are from the mid-west. I call it the I-75 pipeline effect. There has
definitely been a move out of New York City. Between Covid, high tax
rates and crime, there have been a lot of reasons to leave. My oldest
son and his wife have done that, turning their summer home out east
into their year round residence, and working from home.



I gave up trying to convince my wife that my favorite little Connecticut
town, Milford, would be a great place to retire. She's a Southern belle,
and cannot tolerate the winter cold there or the water temperature of
the Sound for swimming in the summer...too cold for her.

Neither of us want to return to Florida. Number One on our "hit list"
are a couple of areas just west of Savannah. Hilton Head is still nice,
but it is pretty congested these days and we noticed that for months at
a time, from spring through September at least, the auto traffic is very
heavy all around the island and just off of it. If you go off-island,
the traffic wait to get back on it is lengthy and annoying. Also, a lot
of the island is looking worn-out. Plus, Georgia seems a bit more
socially progressive than South Carolina, as evidenced that in the
recent elections there, a black minister and a Jew were elected to the
U.S. Senate, both Democrats.

===

We know a number of people who have left Florida for various reasons.
Popular destinations seem to be Tennessee, Georgia and the mountain
areas of North Carolina near Asheville. We also know a few who have
gone full time RVing.
Those folks up there call their new residents "half backs".
They moved south, then moved half way back. I know a few myself. One
was originally from Georgia tho. The other 3 were from Illinois,
Michigan and Ohio. They are in Tennessee.

Retirees love Tennessee. There is no income tax on SS or withdrawals from retirement accounts.