On Sun, 15 Nov 2020 12:05:41 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 11/15/20 11:46 AM, Justan O. wrote:
On 11/15/20 11:32 AM, Keyser Söze wrote:
On 11/15/20 9:24 AM, Justan O. wrote:
On 11/15/20 12:42 AM, Wayne B wrote:
On Sun, 15 Nov 2020 01:39:05 -0000 (UTC), "Justan O."
wrote:

H On 11/14/20 5:04 PM, Wayne B wrote:
On Sat, 14 Nov 2020 15:46:19 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

I do hope some serious efforts can bet underway to start getting
rid of the Electoral College.

===

Like it or not, the Electoral College is functioning exactly as the
founding fathers intended:* It keeps the large population centers
from
dominating the executive branch.* You may not like the middle of the
country but the people who live ther are entitled to have a say in
things.

Trump would agree with you

===

Trump's problem is that he alienated too many people in the middle of
the country with his boorish and infantile behavior.* It took them a
while to figue him out however.

Its our problem now. Well be on pins and needles waiting for the
democrats
every move to trash the constitution on the way to tyranny* and
socialism.

How would you know if anyone trashed the Constitution? You haven't
read it and you haven't the language skills to understand it.

--
*Lock Trump Up!*

You don't either of those statements to be true. You make **** up about
yourself and others. You are* 99% bull**** and 1% crap.

I can tell by what you post here that your language skills are at the
primary school level, and from someone in one of what used to be called
the "slow" classes. And your poor spelling and grammar skills are only a
part of it.

Betcha he's not abandoned his son, Krause!
--

Freedom Isn't Free!

On Sun, 15 Nov 2020 14:38:31 -0000 (UTC), "Justan O." wrote:

On 11/15/20 7:53 AM, John wrote:
On Sun, 15 Nov 2020 00:42:03 -0500, Wayne B
wrote:

On Sun, 15 Nov 2020 01:39:05 -0000 (UTC), "Justan O."
wrote:

H On 11/14/20 5:04 PM, Wayne B wrote:
On Sat, 14 Nov 2020 15:46:19 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

I do hope some serious efforts can bet underway to start
getting rid of the Electoral College.

===

Like it or not, the Electoral College is functioning exactly as the
founding fathers intended: It keeps the large population centers from
dominating the executive branch. You may not like the middle of the
country but the people who live ther are entitled to have a say in
things.

Trump would agree with you

===

Trump's problem is that he alienated too many people in the middle of
the country with his boorish and infantile behavior. It took them a
while to figue him out however.

His mouth and the liberal media cost him the election. Biden has a nice mouth
and the liberal media. That'll cost the country.
--

Freedom Isn't Free!

Nice mouth? You haven't been watching his infrequent unscripted encounters
with real people.

By 'nice', I meant smoothly liberal!
--

Freedom Isn't Free!

On Sun, 15 Nov 2020 13:47:11 -0500, John wrote:

There was a lot more to the Trump presidency than his mouth. If you are implying
Trump got fair coverage, then I think your opinion is ****.

I don't see much so called "liberal media" in Arizona or Georgia. What
happened there?

Are CNN, MSNBC, NBC, NYT, LAT, WPO, etc., not available in GA and AZ?
--

===

I'm sure they are but not exactly main stream media in that part of
the world. Trump is his own worst enemy on media of any kind. After
listening to a few minutes of his unhinged rants most rational people
would conclude that there's something wrong there. And they did, no
help from the media required.

LlOn 11/15/20 1:47 PM, John wrote:
On Sun, 15 Nov 2020 09:12:58 -0500, Wayne B
wrote:

On Sun, 15 Nov 2020 07:53:18 -0500, John wrote:

On Sun, 15 Nov 2020 00:42:03 -0500, Wayne B
wrote:

On Sun, 15 Nov 2020 01:39:05 -0000 (UTC), "Justan O."
wrote:

H On 11/14/20 5:04 PM, Wayne B wrote:
On Sat, 14 Nov 2020 15:46:19 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

I do hope some serious efforts can bet underway to start
getting rid of the Electoral College.

===

Like it or not, the Electoral College is functioning exactly as the
founding fathers intended: It keeps the large population centers from
dominating the executive branch. You may not like the middle of the
country but the people who live ther are entitled to have a say in
things.

Trump would agree with you

===

Trump's problem is that he alienated too many people in the middle of
the country with his boorish and infantile behavior. It took them a
while to figue him out however.

His mouth and the liberal media cost him the election. Biden has a nice mouthge
and the liberal media. That'll cost the country.h

===

That seems like an odd thing to say. Trump's "mouth" and his behavior
are one and the same. Media reported the behavior for all to see, all
the media.

There was a lot more to the Trump presidency than his mouth. If you are implying
Trump got fair coverage, then I think your opinion is ****.

I don't see much so called "liberal media" in Arizona or Georgia. What
happened there?

Are CNN, MSNBC, NBC, NYT, LAT, WPO, etc., not available in GA and AZ?
--

Freedom Isn't Free!

There have been reports that throngs of folks are fleeing California and
moving to Arizona with all their baggage. That is what happened there.

On 11/15/20 2:47 PM, Wayne B wrote:
On Sun, 15 Nov 2020 13:47:11 -0500, John wrote:

There was a lot more to the Trump presidency than his mouth. If you are implying
Trump got fair coverage, then I think your opinion is ****.

I don't see much so called "liberal media" in Arizona or Georgia. What
happened there?

Are CNN, MSNBC, NBC, NYT, LAT, WPO, etc., not available in GA and AZ?
--

===

I'm sure they are but not exactly main stream media in that part of
the world. Trump is his own worst enemy on media of any kind. After
listening to a few minutes of his unhinged rants most rational people
would conclude that there's something wrong there. And they did, no
help from the media required.

Say you had a gardener who kept your property looking like a showplace but
lacked communication skills. Would you kick him to the curb and hire a guy
who talked a good game but fell asleep on the job and never accomplished
anything?

On Sat, 14 Nov 2020 18:15:00 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 11/14/20 5:04 PM, Wayne B wrote:
On Sat, 14 Nov 2020 15:46:19 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

I do hope some serious efforts can bet underway to start
getting rid of the Electoral College.

===

Like it or not, the Electoral College is functioning exactly as the
founding fathers intended: It keeps the large population centers from
dominating the executive branch. You may not like the middle of the
country but the people who live ther are entitled to have a say in
things.


The EC functions as it did when this was a small, compact country with
an equally small population. I can't think of another "modern" country
where the head of government is selected by other than who gets the most
votes. I also don't think sparsely populated states should have the same
number of U.S. Senators as California, Texas, Florida, New York, et
cetera. There's no reason why the vote of an individual in North Dakota
should have the same number of U.S. Senators to access as an individual
in Texas.
Truly spoken like the east coasters that the states were worried about
when they had those provisions put in the constitution. We did not
want a feudal society where the people in the castle ruled the rest of
the country. We left Europe and had a bloody revolution to get away
from that.

On Sun, 15 Nov 2020 20:16:33 -0000 (UTC), "Justan O."
wrote:

LlOn 11/15/20 1:47 PM, John wrote:
On Sun, 15 Nov 2020 09:12:58 -0500, Wayne B
wrote:

On Sun, 15 Nov 2020 07:53:18 -0500, John wrote:

On Sun, 15 Nov 2020 00:42:03 -0500, Wayne B
wrote:

On Sun, 15 Nov 2020 01:39:05 -0000 (UTC), "Justan O."
wrote:

H On 11/14/20 5:04 PM, Wayne B wrote:
On Sat, 14 Nov 2020 15:46:19 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

I do hope some serious efforts can bet underway to start
getting rid of the Electoral College.

===

Like it or not, the Electoral College is functioning exactly as the
founding fathers intended: It keeps the large population centers from
dominating the executive branch. You may not like the middle of the
country but the people who live ther are entitled to have a say in
things.

Trump would agree with you

===

Trump's problem is that he alienated too many people in the middle of
the country with his boorish and infantile behavior. It took them a
while to figue him out however.

His mouth and the liberal media cost him the election. Biden has a nice mouthge
and the liberal media. That'll cost the country.h

===

That seems like an odd thing to say. Trump's "mouth" and his behavior
are one and the same. Media reported the behavior for all to see, all
the media.

There was a lot more to the Trump presidency than his mouth. If you are implying
Trump got fair coverage, then I think your opinion is ****.

I don't see much so called "liberal media" in Arizona or Georgia. What
happened there?

Are CNN, MSNBC, NBC, NYT, LAT, WPO, etc., not available in GA and AZ?
--

Freedom Isn't Free!

There have been reports that throngs of folks are fleeing California and
moving to Arizona with all their baggage. That is what happened there.

===

Damn those Californicators! Next thing you know they'll try to take
over Florida. :-)

Are they coming through Winslow, Arizona on Route 66? We could write
a song about it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4v8KEbQA8kw

On 11/15/20 1:49 PM, John wrote:
On Sun, 15 Nov 2020 14:38:31 -0000 (UTC), "Justan O." wrote:

On 11/15/20 7:53 AM, John wrote:
On Sun, 15 Nov 2020 00:42:03 -0500, Wayne B
wrote:

On Sun, 15 Nov 2020 01:39:05 -0000 (UTC), "Justan O."
wrote:

H On 11/14/20 5:04 PM, Wayne B wrote:
On Sat, 14 Nov 2020 15:46:19 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

I do hope some serious efforts can bet underway to start
getting rid of the Electoral College.

===

Like it or not, the Electoral College is functioning exactly as the
founding fathers intended: It keeps the large population centers from
dominating the executive branch. You may not like the middle of the
country but the people who live ther are entitled to have a say in
things.
eingly
Trump would agree with you

===

Trump's problem is that he alienated too many people in the middle of
the country with his boorish and infantile behavior. It took them a
while to figue him out however.

His mouth and the liberal media cost him the election. Biden has a nice mouth
and the liberal media. That'll cost the country.
--

Freedom Isn't Free!

Nice mouth? You haven't been watching his infrequent unscripted encounters
with real people.

By 'nice', I meant smoothly liberal!
--

Freedom Isn't Free!

Yabut he does sound kinda like a rookie politician who hasn't learned how to
lie convincingly.

On Sat, 14 Nov 2020 20:40:52 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 11/14/20 6:51 PM, Wayne B wrote:
On Sat, 14 Nov 2020 18:15:00 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

On 11/14/20 5:04 PM, Wayne B wrote:
On Sat, 14 Nov 2020 15:46:19 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

I do hope some serious efforts can bet underway to start
getting rid of the Electoral College.

===

Like it or not, the Electoral College is functioning exactly as the
founding fathers intended: It keeps the large population centers from
dominating the executive branch. You may not like the middle of the
country but the people who live ther are entitled to have a say in
things.


The EC functions as it did when this was a small, compact country with
an equally small population. I can't think of another "modern" country
where the head of government is selected by other than who gets the most
votes. I also don't think sparsely populated states should have the same
number of U.S. Senators as California, Texas, Florida, New York, et
cetera. There's no reason why the vote of an individual in North Dakota
should have the same number of U.S. Senators to access as an individual
in Texas.

===

Actually there is a reason - it ensures that all regions of the
country are represented equally - exactly as intended.


Actually, all the EC does is represent real estate, not people.

Since the people who choose to occupy that real estate and feed you
deserve representation too, it is exactly what I said. A departure
from the feudal system.
Without the Senate and the EC, nobody would pay any attention to the
middle of the country and the government would be controlled by about
a third of the states.

On Sun, 15 Nov 2020 07:54:19 -0500, Keyser Söze
wrote:

I presume Trump
can resign a couple of days early and have Pence pardon him of any or
all federal crimes, as Gerry Ford did for Nixon, but that's no defense
against state charges.

14th amendment section 1
"... No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the
privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States..."

There is a case to be made that the 14th amendment would extend the
federal "immunity" of a presidential pardon to the state laws.

As far as I know it has never been litigated and this is just the guy
to do it ... with a "constitutionalist" friendly SCOTUS.