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Turning the economic corner?
On Sat, 6 Jun 2020 10:44:23 -0400 (EDT), Justan Ohlphart
wrote: John Wrote in message: On Fri, 05 Jun 2020 20:59:51 -0400, wrote:On Fri, 5 Jun 2020 16:02:15 -0400, "Mr. wrote:On 6/5/2020 3:14 PM, wrote: On Fri, 5 Jun 2020 09:00:27 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: Labor Department released numbers for May that surprised all economists and their dour predictions. Non-farm job increase of 2.5 million. Unemployment drops to 13.3 percentfrom 14.7 percent in April. (Predictions were for unemployment to rise to 19 to 20 percent.) Data is through the middle (12th) of May that included only the early stages of "opening" the country. Next month's data could be much better if this trend continues. How much of that is just people who gave up trying to get unemployment from a system that failed from the overload? I do hope it is real but until we are really reopened I am skeptical. I do understand a lot of businesses have found a way around these shutdowns tho. Construction and the service trades are going full tilt around here. I know my trade neighbors say they are staying busy. We are also starting to see restaurants open. I was in Rusty's the other day (sports bar, restaurant) and there were 20 customers inside at tables. They removed about half the tables and all the bar stools so people could spread out but other than that it was business as normal. Not a mask in sight. It is pretty hard to eat or drink with a mask on. LOL. This mask stuff really has your underwear in a bunch.Just the useless gesture aspect of itThis picture is the perfect examplehttps://www.gannett-cdn.com/presto/2020/05/21/USAT/305ca4fb-1b49-4b42-90fa-6b15e0b2db54-virus_1.JPG?width=1320&height=880&fit=crop&format= pjpg&auto=webpThe guy on the left is going to extremes but you also have the normalmixed bag of surgical masks, bandannas and neck gaiters. Then there isthe guy who just holds his hand over his mouth.If I were you, I just wouldn't go to any stores that requirethem.It is only Costco right now. I may start using curbside there but Ihave about 5-6 weeks worth of dog food so they may change their policyby them.The maskless folks are social distancing. The guy with the hand over his mouthhas a mask under the hand. --Freedom Isn't Free! Wearing a mask and social distancing should help the economy in the long run. If humanitarian reasons wont encourage folks to do it then monitary reasons just might. How is that? If you are just saying the irrational demand that people wear a mask will make reopening more politically viable, I might agree but there are a whole lot of people who don't like meaningless gestures. This is about as effective as those people wearing yellow ribbons to get the hostages back. |
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Turning the economic corner?
On 6/6/2020 1:32 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 6 Jun 2020 10:44:23 -0400 (EDT), Justan Ohlphart wrote: John Wrote in message: On Fri, 05 Jun 2020 20:59:51 -0400, wrote:On Fri, 5 Jun 2020 16:02:15 -0400, "Mr. wrote:On 6/5/2020 3:14 PM, wrote: On Fri, 5 Jun 2020 09:00:27 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: Labor Department released numbers for May that surprised all economists and their dour predictions. Non-farm job increase of 2.5 million. Unemployment drops to 13.3 percentfrom 14.7 percent in April. (Predictions were for unemployment to rise to 19 to 20 percent.) Data is through the middle (12th) of May that included only the early stages of "opening" the country. Next month's data could be much better if this trend continues. How much of that is just people who gave up trying to get unemployment from a system that failed from the overload? I do hope it is real but until we are really reopened I am skeptical. I do understand a lot of businesses have found a way around these shutdowns tho. Construction and the service trades are going full tilt around here. I know my trade neighbors say they are staying busy. We are also starting to see restaurants open. I was in Rusty's the other day (sports bar, restaurant) and there were 20 customers inside at tables. They removed about half the tables and all the bar stools so people could spread out but other than that it was business as normal. Not a mask in sight. It is pretty hard to eat or drink with a mask on. LOL. This mask stuff really has your underwear in a bunch.Just the useless gesture aspect of itThis picture is the perfect examplehttps://www.gannett-cdn.com/presto/2020/05/21/USAT/305ca4fb-1b49-4b42-90fa-6b15e0b2db54-virus_1.JPG?width=1320&height=880&fit=crop&format= pjpg&auto=webpThe guy on the left is going to extremes but you also have the normalmixed bag of surgical masks, bandannas and neck gaiters. Then there isthe guy who just holds his hand over his mouth.If I were you, I just wouldn't go to any stores that requirethem.It is only Costco right now. I may start using curbside there but Ihave about 5-6 weeks worth of dog food so they may change their policyby them.The maskless folks are social distancing. The guy with the hand over his mouthhas a mask under the hand. --Freedom Isn't Free! Wearing a mask and social distancing should help the economy in the long run. If humanitarian reasons wont encourage folks to do it then monitary reasons just might. How is that? If you are just saying the irrational demand that people wear a mask will make reopening more politically viable, I might agree but there are a whole lot of people who don't like meaningless gestures. This is about as effective as those people wearing yellow ribbons to get the hostages back. Good grief. Yellow ribbons don't get hostages back. Yellow ribbons only represent solidarity and serve as reminders among those who *care*. -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com |
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Turning the economic corner?
On Sat, 6 Jun 2020 14:18:59 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote: On 6/6/2020 1:32 PM, wrote: On Sat, 6 Jun 2020 10:44:23 -0400 (EDT), Justan Ohlphart wrote: John Wrote in message: On Fri, 05 Jun 2020 20:59:51 -0400, wrote:On Fri, 5 Jun 2020 16:02:15 -0400, "Mr. wrote:On 6/5/2020 3:14 PM, wrote: On Fri, 5 Jun 2020 09:00:27 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: Labor Department released numbers for May that surprised all economists and their dour predictions. Non-farm job increase of 2.5 million. Unemployment drops to 13.3 percentfrom 14.7 percent in April. (Predictions were for unemployment to rise to 19 to 20 percent.) Data is through the middle (12th) of May that included only the early stages of "opening" the country. Next month's data could be much better if this trend continues. How much of that is just people who gave up trying to get unemployment from a system that failed from the overload? I do hope it is real but until we are really reopened I am skeptical. I do understand a lot of businesses have found a way around these shutdowns tho. Construction and the service trades are going full tilt around here. I know my trade neighbors say they are staying busy. We are also starting to see restaurants open. I was in Rusty's the other day (sports bar, restaurant) and there were 20 customers inside at tables. They removed about half the tables and all the bar stools so people could spread out but other than that it was business as normal. Not a mask in sight. It is pretty hard to eat or drink with a mask on. LOL. This mask stuff really has your underwear in a bunch.Just the useless gesture aspect of itThis picture is the perfect examplehttps://www.gannett-cdn.com/presto/2020/05/21/USAT/305ca4fb-1b49-4b42-90fa-6b15e0b2db54-virus_1.JPG?width=1320&height=880&fit=crop&format= pjpg&auto=webpThe guy on the left is going to extremes but you also have the normalmixed bag of surgical masks, bandannas and neck gaiters. Then there isthe guy who just holds his hand over his mouth.If I were you, I just wouldn't go to any stores that requirethem.It is only Costco right now. I may start using curbside there but Ihave about 5-6 weeks worth of dog food so they may change their policyby them.The maskless folks are social distancing. The guy with the hand over his mouthhas a mask under the hand. --Freedom Isn't Free! Wearing a mask and social distancing should help the economy in the long run. If humanitarian reasons wont encourage folks to do it then monitary reasons just might. How is that? If you are just saying the irrational demand that people wear a mask will make reopening more politically viable, I might agree but there are a whole lot of people who don't like meaningless gestures. This is about as effective as those people wearing yellow ribbons to get the hostages back. Good grief. Yellow ribbons don't get hostages back. Yellow ribbons only represent solidarity and serve as reminders among those who *care*. Hence my reference to this fad. |
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Turning the economic corner?
On 6/6/2020 9:10 PM, wrote:
On Sat, 6 Jun 2020 14:18:59 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 6/6/2020 1:32 PM, wrote: On Sat, 6 Jun 2020 10:44:23 -0400 (EDT), Justan Ohlphart wrote: John Wrote in message: On Fri, 05 Jun 2020 20:59:51 -0400, wrote:On Fri, 5 Jun 2020 16:02:15 -0400, "Mr. wrote:On 6/5/2020 3:14 PM, wrote: On Fri, 5 Jun 2020 09:00:27 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: Labor Department released numbers for May that surprised all economists and their dour predictions. Non-farm job increase of 2.5 million. Unemployment drops to 13.3 percentfrom 14.7 percent in April. (Predictions were for unemployment to rise to 19 to 20 percent.) Data is through the middle (12th) of May that included only the early stages of "opening" the country. Next month's data could be much better if this trend continues. How much of that is just people who gave up trying to get unemployment from a system that failed from the overload? I do hope it is real but until we are really reopened I am skeptical. I do understand a lot of businesses have found a way around these shutdowns tho. Construction and the service trades are going full tilt around here. I know my trade neighbors say they are staying busy. We are also starting to see restaurants open. I was in Rusty's the other day (sports bar, restaurant) and there were 20 customers inside at tables. They removed about half the tables and all the bar stools so people could spread out but other than that it was business as normal. Not a mask in sight. It is pretty hard to eat or drink with a mask on. LOL. This mask stuff really has your underwear in a bunch.Just the useless gesture aspect of itThis picture is the perfect examplehttps://www.gannett-cdn.com/presto/2020/05/21/USAT/305ca4fb-1b49-4b42-90fa-6b15e0b2db54-virus_1.JPG?width=1320&height=880&fit=crop&format= pjpg&auto=webpThe guy on the left is going to extremes but you also have the normalmixed bag of surgical masks, bandannas and neck gaiters. Then there isthe guy who just holds his hand over his mouth.If I were you, I just wouldn't go to any stores that requirethem.It is only Costco right now. I may start using curbside there but Ihave about 5-6 weeks worth of dog food so they may change their policyby them.The maskless folks are social distancing. The guy with the hand over his mouthhas a mask under the hand. --Freedom Isn't Free! Wearing a mask and social distancing should help the economy in the long run. If humanitarian reasons wont encourage folks to do it then monitary reasons just might. How is that? If you are just saying the irrational demand that people wear a mask will make reopening more politically viable, I might agree but there are a whole lot of people who don't like meaningless gestures. This is about as effective as those people wearing yellow ribbons to get the hostages back. Good grief. Yellow ribbons don't get hostages back. Yellow ribbons only represent solidarity and serve as reminders among those who *care*. Hence my reference to this fad. Therefore, logic would follow that you don't care. Sad. -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com |
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Turning the economic corner?
On Sun, 7 Jun 2020 01:59:57 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote: On 6/6/2020 9:10 PM, wrote: On Sat, 6 Jun 2020 14:18:59 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 6/6/2020 1:32 PM, wrote: On Sat, 6 Jun 2020 10:44:23 -0400 (EDT), Justan Ohlphart wrote: John Wrote in message: On Fri, 05 Jun 2020 20:59:51 -0400, wrote:On Fri, 5 Jun 2020 16:02:15 -0400, "Mr. wrote:On 6/5/2020 3:14 PM, wrote: On Fri, 5 Jun 2020 09:00:27 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: Labor Department released numbers for May that surprised all economists and their dour predictions. Non-farm job increase of 2.5 million. Unemployment drops to 13.3 percentfrom 14.7 percent in April. (Predictions were for unemployment to rise to 19 to 20 percent.) Data is through the middle (12th) of May that included only the early stages of "opening" the country. Next month's data could be much better if this trend continues. How much of that is just people who gave up trying to get unemployment from a system that failed from the overload? I do hope it is real but until we are really reopened I am skeptical. I do understand a lot of businesses have found a way around these shutdowns tho. Construction and the service trades are going full tilt around here. I know my trade neighbors say they are staying busy. We are also starting to see restaurants open. I was in Rusty's the other day (sports bar, restaurant) and there were 20 customers inside at tables. They removed about half the tables and all the bar stools so people could spread out but other than that it was business as normal. Not a mask in sight. It is pretty hard to eat or drink with a mask on. LOL. This mask stuff really has your underwear in a bunch.Just the useless gesture aspect of itThis picture is the perfect examplehttps://www.gannett-cdn.com/presto/2020/05/21/USAT/305ca4fb-1b49-4b42-90fa-6b15e0b2db54-virus_1.JPG?width=1320&height=880&fit=crop&format= pjpg&auto=webpThe guy on the left is going to extremes but you also have the normalmixed bag of surgical masks, bandannas and neck gaiters. Then there isthe guy who just holds his hand over his mouth.If I were you, I just wouldn't go to any stores that requirethem.It is only Costco right now. I may start using curbside there but Ihave about 5-6 weeks worth of dog food so they may change their policyby them.The maskless folks are social distancing. The guy with the hand over his mouthhas a mask under the hand. --Freedom Isn't Free! Wearing a mask and social distancing should help the economy in the long run. If humanitarian reasons wont encourage folks to do it then monitary reasons just might. How is that? If you are just saying the irrational demand that people wear a mask will make reopening more politically viable, I might agree but there are a whole lot of people who don't like meaningless gestures. This is about as effective as those people wearing yellow ribbons to get the hostages back. Good grief. Yellow ribbons don't get hostages back. Yellow ribbons only represent solidarity and serve as reminders among those who *care*. Hence my reference to this fad. Therefore, logic would follow that you don't care. Sad. Perhaps simply "not believing in the myth" would be more accurate and until you find me a study that actually has conclusions that are not buffered by "might", "maybe" and "could be" I am not falling for it. To start with, handling a mask all day long is spreading the virus, that is according to every article you have posted. If this thing is really doing anything it is potentially contaminated and if it isn't potentially contaminated, it ain't doing ****. |
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Turning the economic corner?
On 6/7/2020 4:44 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 7 Jun 2020 01:59:57 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 6/6/2020 9:10 PM, wrote: On Sat, 6 Jun 2020 14:18:59 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 6/6/2020 1:32 PM, wrote: On Sat, 6 Jun 2020 10:44:23 -0400 (EDT), Justan Ohlphart wrote: John Wrote in message: On Fri, 05 Jun 2020 20:59:51 -0400, wrote:On Fri, 5 Jun 2020 16:02:15 -0400, "Mr. wrote:On 6/5/2020 3:14 PM, wrote: On Fri, 5 Jun 2020 09:00:27 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: Labor Department released numbers for May that surprised all economists and their dour predictions. Non-farm job increase of 2.5 million. Unemployment drops to 13.3 percentfrom 14.7 percent in April. (Predictions were for unemployment to rise to 19 to 20 percent.) Data is through the middle (12th) of May that included only the early stages of "opening" the country. Next month's data could be much better if this trend continues. How much of that is just people who gave up trying to get unemployment from a system that failed from the overload? I do hope it is real but until we are really reopened I am skeptical. I do understand a lot of businesses have found a way around these shutdowns tho. Construction and the service trades are going full tilt around here. I know my trade neighbors say they are staying busy. We are also starting to see restaurants open. I was in Rusty's the other day (sports bar, restaurant) and there were 20 customers inside at tables. They removed about half the tables and all the bar stools so people could spread out but other than that it was business as normal. Not a mask in sight. It is pretty hard to eat or drink with a mask on. LOL. This mask stuff really has your underwear in a bunch.Just the useless gesture aspect of itThis picture is the perfect examplehttps://www.gannett-cdn.com/presto/2020/05/21/USAT/305ca4fb-1b49-4b42-90fa-6b15e0b2db54-virus_1.JPG?width=1320&height=880&fit=crop&format= pjpg&auto=webpThe guy on the left is going to extremes but you also have the normalmixed bag of surgical masks, bandannas and neck gaiters. Then there isthe guy who just holds his hand over his mouth.If I were you, I just wouldn't go to any stores that requirethem.It is only Costco right now. I may start using curbside there but Ihave about 5-6 weeks worth of dog food so they may change their policyby them.The maskless folks are social distancing. The guy with the hand over his mouthhas a mask under the hand. --Freedom Isn't Free! Wearing a mask and social distancing should help the economy in the long run. If humanitarian reasons wont encourage folks to do it then monitary reasons just might. How is that? If you are just saying the irrational demand that people wear a mask will make reopening more politically viable, I might agree but there are a whole lot of people who don't like meaningless gestures. This is about as effective as those people wearing yellow ribbons to get the hostages back. Good grief. Yellow ribbons don't get hostages back. Yellow ribbons only represent solidarity and serve as reminders among those who *care*. Hence my reference to this fad. Therefore, logic would follow that you don't care. Sad. Perhaps simply "not believing in the myth" would be more accurate and until you find me a study that actually has conclusions that are not buffered by "might", "maybe" and "could be" I am not falling for it. To start with, handling a mask all day long is spreading the virus, that is according to every article you have posted. If this thing is really doing anything it is potentially contaminated and if it isn't potentially contaminated, it ain't doing ****. I don't "handle" a mask all day long. Do you? I wear one (as required in this state) when getting out of my truck to enter a store. I take it off when I get back in my truck, using a spray bottle of hand sanitizer I keep in the truck before removing mask. I'll usually use the same mask that day *if* I have to go out again which is very rarely. I throw it away and use a fresh one the next day if I have to go out to a store. Otherwise, I don't wear one because I am not in close proximity to other people. Total amount of time I wear a mask a day on average? About 15 minutes. Oh ... I haven't caught the virus yet either that I know of. But if I have .... at least I feel I am doing the responsible thing to minimize the potential that I might spread it to someone else. -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com |
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Turning the economic corner?
On Sun, 07 Jun 2020 16:44:47 -0400, wrote:
On Sun, 7 Jun 2020 01:59:57 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 6/6/2020 9:10 PM, wrote: On Sat, 6 Jun 2020 14:18:59 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 6/6/2020 1:32 PM, wrote: On Sat, 6 Jun 2020 10:44:23 -0400 (EDT), Justan Ohlphart wrote: John Wrote in message: On Fri, 05 Jun 2020 20:59:51 -0400, wrote:On Fri, 5 Jun 2020 16:02:15 -0400, "Mr. wrote:On 6/5/2020 3:14 PM, wrote: On Fri, 5 Jun 2020 09:00:27 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: Labor Department released numbers for May that surprised all economists and their dour predictions. Non-farm job increase of 2.5 million. Unemployment drops to 13.3 percentfrom 14.7 percent in April. (Predictions were for unemployment to rise to 19 to 20 percent.) Data is through the middle (12th) of May that included only the early stages of "opening" the country. Next month's data could be much better if this trend continues. How much of that is just people who gave up trying to get unemployment from a system that failed from the overload? I do hope it is real but until we are really reopened I am skeptical. I do understand a lot of businesses have found a way around these shutdowns tho. Construction and the service trades are going full tilt around here. I know my trade neighbors say they are staying busy. We are also starting to see restaurants open. I was in Rusty's the other day (sports bar, restaurant) and there were 20 customers inside at tables. They removed about half the tables and all the bar stools so people could spread out but other than that it was business as normal. Not a mask in sight. It is pretty hard to eat or drink with a mask on. LOL. This mask stuff really has your underwear in a bunch.Just the useless gesture aspect of itThis picture is the perfect examplehttps://www.gannett-cdn.com/presto/2020/05/21/USAT/305ca4fb-1b49-4b42-90fa-6b15e0b2db54-virus_1.JPG?width=1320&height=880&fit=crop&format= pjpg&auto=webpThe guy on the left is going to extremes but you also have the normalmixed bag of surgical masks, bandannas and neck gaiters. Then there isthe guy who just holds his hand over his mouth.If I were you, I just wouldn't go to any stores that requirethem.It is only Costco right now. I may start using curbside there but Ihave about 5-6 weeks worth of dog food so they may change their policyby them.The maskless folks are social distancing. The guy with the hand over his mouthhas a mask under the hand. --Freedom Isn't Free! Wearing a mask and social distancing should help the economy in the long run. If humanitarian reasons wont encourage folks to do it then monitary reasons just might. How is that? If you are just saying the irrational demand that people wear a mask will make reopening more politically viable, I might agree but there are a whole lot of people who don't like meaningless gestures. This is about as effective as those people wearing yellow ribbons to get the hostages back. Good grief. Yellow ribbons don't get hostages back. Yellow ribbons only represent solidarity and serve as reminders among those who *care*. Hence my reference to this fad. Therefore, logic would follow that you don't care. Sad. Perhaps simply "not believing in the myth" would be more accurate and until you find me a study that actually has conclusions that are not buffered by "might", "maybe" and "could be" I am not falling for it. To start with, handling a mask all day long is spreading the virus, that is according to every article you have posted. If this thing is really doing anything it is potentially contaminated and if it isn't potentially contaminated, it ain't doing ****. If it's contaminated, then it's done it's job. You needn't give a ****. You're already a victim of the virus. Get it? Yet? -- Freedom Isn't Free! |
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Turning the economic corner?
On Sat, 06 Jun 2020 13:32:10 -0400, wrote:
Wearing a mask and social distancing should help the economy in the long run. If humanitarian reasons wont encourage folks to do it then monitary reasons just might. How is that? If you are just saying the irrational demand that people wear a mask will make reopening more politically viable, I might agree but there are a whole lot of people who don't like meaningless gestures. This is about as effective as those people wearing yellow ribbons to get the hostages back. === With all due respect I think you are being too literal about the mask issue. I agree that the lack of standards and procedures would fall short of what is needed in an operating room or "clean room." On the other hand we are dealing with a situation that is not well understood on many different levels. I'd argue that even if masks or other face coverings are not 100% effective. they are a step in the right direction, probably help to some unknown extent, and help to remind everyone to be careful. We do know for sure that something is working as reflected in the lower rates of infection and death. That's a good thing regardless of cause, especially for those of us who qualify as senior citizens. It's also a good thing for the economy and a return to some semblence of normalacy. -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com |
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