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Bernie...
On Thu, 5 Mar 2020 08:46:09 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 3/5/2020 8:35 AM, Tim wrote: Mr. Luddite Keyser Soze Wrote in message: ...he's whining again. As I stated, if he wins the nomination, I'll vote for him but...I'm much happier that Biden seems on the track to win the prize. Something I've noticed: Seems the primary reason Biden supporters, including the former contenders who have endorsed him, give for for their support is that Biden has the "best chance" of beating Trump in the election. They don't speak much about *why* Biden would be a good POTUS, just that he has the best chance of beating Trump. Biden is scary and frankly, he doesn't look very healthy. If he gets the nod, his choice for VP is going to be very important. —— Isn’t he eyeballing Beto for a running mate ? Don't know. I saw Biden thanking Beto for his support and told him he (Beto) would head up Biden's gun control initiative. "I want to make something clear. I’m going to guarantee you this is not the last you’ve seen of him,” Biden said Monday night during a campaign stop in Texas. "You’re going to take care of the gun problem with me. You’re going to be the one who leads this effort.” Beto, as you may recall, was the one calling for government confiscation of all AR-15 type rifles. In one of the early primary debates he said, "Hell, yes, we're going to take your AR-15, your AK-47." Wonder if he'll take the wooden-stocked, Ruger mini-14 also. -- Freedom Isn't Free! |
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Bernie...
On Thu, 05 Mar 2020 09:23:50 -0500, Adorable Deplorable
wrote: On Thu, 5 Mar 2020 08:46:09 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 3/5/2020 8:35 AM, Tim wrote: Mr. Luddite Keyser Soze Wrote in message: ...he's whining again. As I stated, if he wins the nomination, I'll vote for him but...I'm much happier that Biden seems on the track to win the prize. Something I've noticed: Seems the primary reason Biden supporters, including the former contenders who have endorsed him, give for for their support is that Biden has the "best chance" of beating Trump in the election. They don't speak much about *why* Biden would be a good POTUS, just that he has the best chance of beating Trump. Biden is scary and frankly, he doesn't look very healthy. If he gets the nod, his choice for VP is going to be very important. —— Isn’t he eyeballing Beto for a running mate ? Don't know. I saw Biden thanking Beto for his support and told him he (Beto) would head up Biden's gun control initiative. "I want to make something clear. I’m going to guarantee you this is not the last you’ve seen of him,” Biden said Monday night during a campaign stop in Texas. "You’re going to take care of the gun problem with me. You’re going to be the one who leads this effort.” Beto, as you may recall, was the one calling for government confiscation of all AR-15 type rifles. In one of the early primary debates he said, "Hell, yes, we're going to take your AR-15, your AK-47." Wonder if he'll take the wooden-stocked, Ruger mini-14 also. Most of these zealots would take your wooden-stocked 10-22 because it is a semi auto with a detachable magazine. Some even want tube fed pumps and lever actions (The Australia model) "Sensible" gun laws are usually anything but sensible once you read what they really want to do. |
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Bernie...
On Thu, 05 Mar 2020 20:13:31 -0500, wrote:
On Thu, 05 Mar 2020 18:50:14 -0500, Adorable Deplorable wrote: On Thu, 05 Mar 2020 15:36:23 -0500, wrote: On Thu, 05 Mar 2020 09:23:50 -0500, Adorable Deplorable wrote: On Thu, 5 Mar 2020 08:46:09 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 3/5/2020 8:35 AM, Tim wrote: Mr. Luddite Keyser Soze Wrote in message: ...he's whining again. As I stated, if he wins the nomination, I'll vote for him but...I'm much happier that Biden seems on the track to win the prize. Something I've noticed: Seems the primary reason Biden supporters, including the former contenders who have endorsed him, give for for their support is that Biden has the "best chance" of beating Trump in the election. They don't speak much about *why* Biden would be a good POTUS, just that he has the best chance of beating Trump. Biden is scary and frankly, he doesn't look very healthy. If he gets the nod, his choice for VP is going to be very important. —— Isn’t he eyeballing Beto for a running mate ? Don't know. I saw Biden thanking Beto for his support and told him he (Beto) would head up Biden's gun control initiative. "I want to make something clear. I’m going to guarantee you this is not the last you’ve seen of him,” Biden said Monday night during a campaign stop in Texas. "You’re going to take care of the gun problem with me. You’re going to be the one who leads this effort.” Beto, as you may recall, was the one calling for government confiscation of all AR-15 type rifles. In one of the early primary debates he said, "Hell, yes, we're going to take your AR-15, your AK-47." Wonder if he'll take the wooden-stocked, Ruger mini-14 also. Most of these zealots would take your wooden-stocked 10-22 because it is a semi auto with a detachable magazine. Some even want tube fed pumps and lever actions (The Australia model) "Sensible" gun laws are usually anything but sensible once you read what they really want to do. It's not a 10-22, it's a .223, same as the AR-15's. I understand that but a 10-22 is still a semi automatic with a box magazine and squarely in the sights of guys like Beto. That was the point. Some states do exempt .22RF tho. I bet Richard can't have a Mini 14, no matter how pretty the wood is on the stock. "It can accept or be modified to accept a large magazine". Your phrase, "...your wooden-stocked 10-22..." led me to think you thought my mini-14 was a 10-22. Too much thinking on my part. Mini-14's are legal in MA: Are there examples or categories of weapons that are not copies or duplicates of Assault Weapons? Yes. Many rifles, shotguns, and pistols are not copies or duplicates of enumerated Assault Weapons. For example, the following are not copies or duplicates under G.L. c. 140, § 121: Any handgun on the August 2016 version of the state’s Approved Firearms Roster, available here. Handguns are still subject to MA 940 CMR 16.00 et seq Consumer Protection Regulations; Any .17 or .22 caliber rimfire rifle; Any Ruger Mini 14 or substantially similar model weapon; https://www.mass.gov/guides/frequent...ement-notice?- -- Freedom Isn't Free! |
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Bernie...
On 3/6/2020 8:39 AM, Adorable Deplorable wrote:
On Thu, 05 Mar 2020 20:13:31 -0500, wrote: On Thu, 05 Mar 2020 18:50:14 -0500, Adorable Deplorable wrote: On Thu, 05 Mar 2020 15:36:23 -0500, wrote: On Thu, 05 Mar 2020 09:23:50 -0500, Adorable Deplorable wrote: On Thu, 5 Mar 2020 08:46:09 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 3/5/2020 8:35 AM, Tim wrote: Mr. Luddite Keyser Soze Wrote in message: ...he's whining again. As I stated, if he wins the nomination, I'll vote for him but...I'm much happier that Biden seems on the track to win the prize. Something I've noticed: Seems the primary reason Biden supporters, including the former contenders who have endorsed him, give for for their support is that Biden has the "best chance" of beating Trump in the election. They don't speak much about *why* Biden would be a good POTUS, just that he has the best chance of beating Trump. Biden is scary and frankly, he doesn't look very healthy. If he gets the nod, his choice for VP is going to be very important. —— Isn’t he eyeballing Beto for a running mate ? Don't know. I saw Biden thanking Beto for his support and told him he (Beto) would head up Biden's gun control initiative. "I want to make something clear. I’m going to guarantee you this is not the last you’ve seen of him,” Biden said Monday night during a campaign stop in Texas. "You’re going to take care of the gun problem with me. You’re going to be the one who leads this effort.” Beto, as you may recall, was the one calling for government confiscation of all AR-15 type rifles. In one of the early primary debates he said, "Hell, yes, we're going to take your AR-15, your AK-47." Wonder if he'll take the wooden-stocked, Ruger mini-14 also. Most of these zealots would take your wooden-stocked 10-22 because it is a semi auto with a detachable magazine. Some even want tube fed pumps and lever actions (The Australia model) "Sensible" gun laws are usually anything but sensible once you read what they really want to do. It's not a 10-22, it's a .223, same as the AR-15's. I understand that but a 10-22 is still a semi automatic with a box magazine and squarely in the sights of guys like Beto. That was the point. Some states do exempt .22RF tho. I bet Richard can't have a Mini 14, no matter how pretty the wood is on the stock. "It can accept or be modified to accept a large magazine". Your phrase, "...your wooden-stocked 10-22..." led me to think you thought my mini-14 was a 10-22. Too much thinking on my part. Mini-14's are legal in MA: Are there examples or categories of weapons that are not copies or duplicates of Assault Weapons? Yes. Many rifles, shotguns, and pistols are not copies or duplicates of enumerated Assault Weapons. For example, the following are not copies or duplicates under G.L. c. 140, § 121: Any handgun on the August 2016 version of the state’s Approved Firearms Roster, available here. Handguns are still subject to MA 940 CMR 16.00 et seq Consumer Protection Regulations; Any .17 or .22 caliber rimfire rifle; Any Ruger Mini 14 or substantially similar model weapon; https://www.mass.gov/guides/frequent...ement-notice?- -- Freedom Isn't Free! The MA Attorney General recently clarified the legality of the Ruger Mini-14 because they screwed up when it was declared "legal". It's still subject to some confusion but her clarification says that a ".22 cal rimfire" is legal but .223 cal (NATO) is not. I don't think the Mini-14 is available as a .22 cal rimfire but am not sure. -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com |
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Bernie...
On 3/6/20 8:53 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 3/6/2020 8:39 AM, Adorable Deplorable wrote: On Thu, 05 Mar 2020 20:13:31 -0500, wrote: On Thu, 05 Mar 2020 18:50:14 -0500, Adorable Deplorable wrote: On Thu, 05 Mar 2020 15:36:23 -0500, wrote: On Thu, 05 Mar 2020 09:23:50 -0500, Adorable Deplorable wrote: On Thu, 5 Mar 2020 08:46:09 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 3/5/2020 8:35 AM, Tim wrote: Mr. Luddite Keyser Soze Wrote in message: ...he's whining again. As I stated, if he wins the nomination, I'll vote for him but...I'm much happier that Biden seems on the track to win the prize. Something I've noticed: Seems the primary reason Biden supporters, including the former contenders who have endorsed him, give for for their support is that Biden has the "best chance" of beating Trump in the election. They don't speak much about *why* Biden would be a good POTUS, just that he has the best chance of beating Trump. Biden is scary and frankly, he doesn't look very healthy. If he gets the nod, his choice for VP is going to be very important. —— Isn’t he eyeballing Beto for a running mate ? Don't know.Â* I saw Biden thanking Beto for his support and told him he (Beto) would head up Biden's gun control initiative. "I want to make something clear. I’m going to guarantee you this is not the last you’ve seen of him,” Biden said Monday night during a campaign stop in Texas. "You’re going to take care of the gun problem with me. You’re going to be the one who leads this effort.” Beto, as you may recall, was the one calling for government confiscation of all AR-15 type rifles. In one of the early primary debates he said, "Hell, yes, we're going to take your AR-15, your AK-47." Wonder if he'll take the wooden-stocked, Ruger mini-14 also. Most of these zealots would take your wooden-stocked 10-22 because it is a semi auto with a detachable magazine. Some even want tube fed pumps and lever actions (The Australia model) "Sensible" gun laws are usually anything but sensible once you read what they really want to do. It's not a 10-22, it's a .223, same as the AR-15's. I understand that but a 10-22 is still a semi automatic with a box magazine and squarely in the sights of guys like Beto. That was the point. Some states do exempt .22RF tho. I bet Richard can't have a Mini 14, no matter how pretty the wood is on the stock. "It can accept or be modified to accept a large magazine". Your phrase, "...your wooden-stocked 10-22..." led me to think you thought my mini-14 was a 10-22. Too much thinking on my part. Mini-14's are legal in MA: Are there examples or categories of weapons that are not copies or duplicates of Assault Weapons? Yes. Many rifles, shotguns, and pistols are not copies or duplicates of enumerated Assault Weapons. For example, the following are not copies or duplicates under G.L. c. 140, § 121: Any handgun on the August 2016 version of the state’s Approved Firearms Roster, available here. Â* Handguns are still subject to MA 940 CMR 16.00 et seq Consumer Protection Regulations; Any .17 or .22 caliber rimfire rifle; Any Ruger Mini 14 or substantially similar model weapon; https://www.mass.gov/guides/frequent...ement-notice?- -- Freedom Isn't Free! The MA Attorney General recently clarified the legality of the Ruger Mini-14 because they screwed up when it was declared "legal". It's still subject to some confusion but her clarification says that a ".22 cal rimfire" is legal but .223 cal (NATO) is not. I don't think the Mini-14 is available as a .22 cal rimfire but am not sure. I'm not going to pretend to be one of your snarky asshole buddies here and insult you, so I will merely point out that either you or your attorney general is wrong about calling a .223 caliber round a NATO round. It isn't. The 5.56 NATO round is a higher pressure round than the .223 REM, and the chamber on the rifle is a tad longer to accommodate the fact that a little more powder is loaded into the NATO round. Many modern rifles can safely fire either round, but some cannot. There is one model of the Mini-14 that cannot safely fire the 5.56 round. Here's a better explanation from Hornady: Differences between the two are small but can have a large impact on performance, safety and weapon function. The first difference is the higher pressure level of the 5.56 NATO cartridge which runs at approximately 58,000 psi. A 223 Remington is loaded to approximately 55,000 psi. The second and most important difference between the two is the fact that a 5.56 NATO chamber has a .125” longer throat. This allows approximately one more grain of powder to be loaded into a 5.56 NATO cartridge; this is what gives it higher performance than its 223 Remington cousin. The biggest problem with these differences is when firing a 5.56 NATO cartridge in a rifle chambered for 223 Rem. Due to the longer throat that the NATO chamber employs this combination will cause a 223 chambered weapon to run at approximately 65,000 psi or more. This is 10,000 psi higher than the 223’s normal functioning pressure of 55,000 psi. This is NOT safe and will cause primers to back out, or worse, cause harm to the operator, the rifle, or both. The reverse of this is firing a 223 Rem cartridge in a 5.56 NATO chambered rifle. Due to the throat difference between the two chambers a 223 Rem cartridge may not work optimally in a 5.56 NATO chambered weapon. The cause of this is the lack of pressure built by a 223 Rem cartridge fired from a 5.56 NATO chamber. The 223’s 55,000 psi will not be attained and therefore velocity and performance are hurt. Problems start occurring when this combination is fired out of a 5.56 NATO chambered rifle with a 14.5” (or shorter) barrel. The lower powder charge of the 223 round coupled with the pressure drop that occurs when it is fired in a the 5.56 NATO chamber will cause the rifle to cycle improperly. NATO chambered rifles with barrels longer than 14.5” should function properly when firing 223 Rem ammunition. https://is.gd/13tegV |
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Bernie...
On Fri, 6 Mar 2020 08:53:35 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:
On 3/6/2020 8:39 AM, Adorable Deplorable wrote: On Thu, 05 Mar 2020 20:13:31 -0500, wrote: On Thu, 05 Mar 2020 18:50:14 -0500, Adorable Deplorable wrote: On Thu, 05 Mar 2020 15:36:23 -0500, wrote: On Thu, 05 Mar 2020 09:23:50 -0500, Adorable Deplorable wrote: On Thu, 5 Mar 2020 08:46:09 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 3/5/2020 8:35 AM, Tim wrote: Mr. Luddite Keyser Soze Wrote in message: ...he's whining again. As I stated, if he wins the nomination, I'll vote for him but...I'm much happier that Biden seems on the track to win the prize. Something I've noticed: Seems the primary reason Biden supporters, including the former contenders who have endorsed him, give for for their support is that Biden has the "best chance" of beating Trump in the election. They don't speak much about *why* Biden would be a good POTUS, just that he has the best chance of beating Trump. Biden is scary and frankly, he doesn't look very healthy. If he gets the nod, his choice for VP is going to be very important. —— Isn’t he eyeballing Beto for a running mate ? Don't know. I saw Biden thanking Beto for his support and told him he (Beto) would head up Biden's gun control initiative. "I want to make something clear. I’m going to guarantee you this is not the last you’ve seen of him,” Biden said Monday night during a campaign stop in Texas. "You’re going to take care of the gun problem with me. You’re going to be the one who leads this effort.” Beto, as you may recall, was the one calling for government confiscation of all AR-15 type rifles. In one of the early primary debates he said, "Hell, yes, we're going to take your AR-15, your AK-47." Wonder if he'll take the wooden-stocked, Ruger mini-14 also. Most of these zealots would take your wooden-stocked 10-22 because it is a semi auto with a detachable magazine. Some even want tube fed pumps and lever actions (The Australia model) "Sensible" gun laws are usually anything but sensible once you read what they really want to do. It's not a 10-22, it's a .223, same as the AR-15's. I understand that but a 10-22 is still a semi automatic with a box magazine and squarely in the sights of guys like Beto. That was the point. Some states do exempt .22RF tho. I bet Richard can't have a Mini 14, no matter how pretty the wood is on the stock. "It can accept or be modified to accept a large magazine". Your phrase, "...your wooden-stocked 10-22..." led me to think you thought my mini-14 was a 10-22. Too much thinking on my part. Mini-14's are legal in MA: Are there examples or categories of weapons that are not copies or duplicates of Assault Weapons? Yes. Many rifles, shotguns, and pistols are not copies or duplicates of enumerated Assault Weapons. For example, the following are not copies or duplicates under G.L. c. 140, § 121: Any handgun on the August 2016 version of the state’s Approved Firearms Roster, available here. Handguns are still subject to MA 940 CMR 16.00 et seq Consumer Protection Regulations; Any .17 or .22 caliber rimfire rifle; Any Ruger Mini 14 or substantially similar model weapon; https://www.mass.gov/guides/frequent...ement-notice?- -- Freedom Isn't Free! The MA Attorney General recently clarified the legality of the Ruger Mini-14 because they screwed up when it was declared "legal". It's still subject to some confusion but her clarification says that a ".22 cal rimfire" is legal but .223 cal (NATO) is not. I don't think the Mini-14 is available as a .22 cal rimfire but am not sure. Apparently that hasn't yet made the link I put above. As of December, last year, Bud's Gun Shop still thinks they're legal. Note page 2: https://www.budsgunshop.com/feeds/st...strictions.pdf -- Freedom Isn't Free! |
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Bernie...
On Fri, 6 Mar 2020 08:53:35 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote: On 3/6/2020 8:39 AM, Adorable Deplorable wrote: On Thu, 05 Mar 2020 20:13:31 -0500, wrote: On Thu, 05 Mar 2020 18:50:14 -0500, Adorable Deplorable wrote: On Thu, 05 Mar 2020 15:36:23 -0500, wrote: On Thu, 05 Mar 2020 09:23:50 -0500, Adorable Deplorable wrote: On Thu, 5 Mar 2020 08:46:09 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 3/5/2020 8:35 AM, Tim wrote: Mr. Luddite Keyser Soze Wrote in message: ...he's whining again. As I stated, if he wins the nomination, I'll vote for him but...I'm much happier that Biden seems on the track to win the prize. Something I've noticed: Seems the primary reason Biden supporters, including the former contenders who have endorsed him, give for for their support is that Biden has the "best chance" of beating Trump in the election. They don't speak much about *why* Biden would be a good POTUS, just that he has the best chance of beating Trump. Biden is scary and frankly, he doesn't look very healthy. If he gets the nod, his choice for VP is going to be very important. —— Isn’t he eyeballing Beto for a running mate ? Don't know. I saw Biden thanking Beto for his support and told him he (Beto) would head up Biden's gun control initiative. "I want to make something clear. I’m going to guarantee you this is not the last you’ve seen of him,” Biden said Monday night during a campaign stop in Texas. "You’re going to take care of the gun problem with me. You’re going to be the one who leads this effort.” Beto, as you may recall, was the one calling for government confiscation of all AR-15 type rifles. In one of the early primary debates he said, "Hell, yes, we're going to take your AR-15, your AK-47." Wonder if he'll take the wooden-stocked, Ruger mini-14 also. Most of these zealots would take your wooden-stocked 10-22 because it is a semi auto with a detachable magazine. Some even want tube fed pumps and lever actions (The Australia model) "Sensible" gun laws are usually anything but sensible once you read what they really want to do. It's not a 10-22, it's a .223, same as the AR-15's. I understand that but a 10-22 is still a semi automatic with a box magazine and squarely in the sights of guys like Beto. That was the point. Some states do exempt .22RF tho. I bet Richard can't have a Mini 14, no matter how pretty the wood is on the stock. "It can accept or be modified to accept a large magazine". Your phrase, "...your wooden-stocked 10-22..." led me to think you thought my mini-14 was a 10-22. Too much thinking on my part. Mini-14's are legal in MA: Are there examples or categories of weapons that are not copies or duplicates of Assault Weapons? Yes. Many rifles, shotguns, and pistols are not copies or duplicates of enumerated Assault Weapons. For example, the following are not copies or duplicates under G.L. c. 140, § 121: Any handgun on the August 2016 version of the state’s Approved Firearms Roster, available here. Handguns are still subject to MA 940 CMR 16.00 et seq Consumer Protection Regulations; Any .17 or .22 caliber rimfire rifle; Any Ruger Mini 14 or substantially similar model weapon; https://www.mass.gov/guides/frequent...ement-notice?- -- Freedom Isn't Free! The MA Attorney General recently clarified the legality of the Ruger Mini-14 because they screwed up when it was declared "legal". It's still subject to some confusion but her clarification says that a ".22 cal rimfire" is legal but .223 cal (NATO) is not. I don't think the Mini-14 is available as a .22 cal rimfire but am not sure. Yeah, they call it the 10-22 ;-) It is not really the same gun tho except in the most superficial outward appearance. (An M1 Carbine sort of look) My Ruger .44 is very similar looking too, actually just a slightly bigger version of the 10-22. They are both straight blow back operation. The Mini-14 is a rotating bolt thing. |
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