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On Sun, 15 Dec 2019 12:56:02 -0500 (EST), Justan Ohlphart
wrote: Alex Wrote in message: wrote: On Fri, 13 Dec 2019 21:43:26 -0500, Alex wrote: wrote: On Fri, 13 Dec 2019 08:43:53 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: I bought my CZ new from the CZ Custom Shop and before it was shipped to my local gun store, I had the Custom Shop convert it to SAO, among other "customizations," so it had no "double action mode." You had to rack the slide to put a round in the pipe and that, of course, would cock the hammer. At that point, if you wished, you could flick on the manual safety, and "carry" cocked and locked. I never did that. I carried in Condition 3 when I carried. Usually, though, the pistol was kept in Condition 4...no mag in the pistol, no round in the chamber, hammer down, aka "idiot proof safe." === I can see an advantage to carrying with a round in the chamber but with the hammer down - as long as the gun has a double action mode for the first round. How do you get a round in the chamber without cocking the hammer? Do you have to lower the hammer manually and hope your thumb doesn't slip? That's how it works if you don't have a decocker. Don't most DAs have a decocker?Not many. He probably was thinking of da/sa DAO has no use for a decocker and SA only should not be carried hammer down on a loaded chamber in the first place. We have to be talking about DA/SA. |
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On Sun, 15 Dec 2019 12:56:02 -0500 (EST), Justan Ohlphart wrote: Alex Wrote in message: wrote: On Fri, 13 Dec 2019 21:43:26 -0500, Alex wrote: wrote: On Fri, 13 Dec 2019 08:43:53 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: I bought my CZ new from the CZ Custom Shop and before it was shipped to my local gun store, I had the Custom Shop convert it to SAO, among other "customizations," so it had no "double action mode." You had to rack the slide to put a round in the pipe and that, of course, would cock the hammer. At that point, if you wished, you could flick on the manual safety, and "carry" cocked and locked. I never did that. I carried in Condition 3 when I carried. Usually, though, the pistol was kept in Condition 4...no mag in the pistol, no round in the chamber, hammer down, aka "idiot proof safe." === I can see an advantage to carrying with a round in the chamber but with the hammer down - as long as the gun has a double action mode the first round. How do you get a round in the chamber without cocking the hammer? Do you have to lower the hammer manually and hope your thumb doesn't slip? That's how it works if you don't have a decocker. Don't most DAs have a decocker?Not many. He probably was thinking of da/sa DAO has no use for a decocker and SA only should not be carried hammer down on a loaded chamber in the first place. We have to be talking about DA/SA. With modern single action, should be able to carry hammer down on a loaded chamber. The trigger lifts a striker in to position between the hammer and firing pin has been required for at least 20 years. So a dropped firearm would not discharge. |
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On Sunday, December 15, 2019 at 3:52:06 PM UTC-5, Bill wrote:
wrote: On Sun, 15 Dec 2019 12:56:02 -0500 (EST), Justan Ohlphart wrote: Alex Wrote in message: wrote: On Fri, 13 Dec 2019 21:43:26 -0500, Alex wrote: wrote: On Fri, 13 Dec 2019 08:43:53 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: I bought my CZ new from the CZ Custom Shop and before it was shipped to my local gun store, I had the Custom Shop convert it to SAO, among other "customizations," so it had no "double action mode." You had to rack the slide to put a round in the pipe and that, of course, would cock the hammer. At that point, if you wished, you could flick on the manual safety, and "carry" cocked and locked. I never did that. I carried in Condition 3 when I carried. Usually, though, the pistol was kept in Condition 4...no mag in the pistol, no round in the chamber, hammer down, aka "idiot proof safe." === I can see an advantage to carrying with a round in the chamber but with the hammer down - as long as the gun has a double action mode the first round. How do you get a round in the chamber without cocking the hammer? Do you have to lower the hammer manually and hope your thumb doesn't slip? That's how it works if you don't have a decocker. Don't most DAs have a decocker?Not many. He probably was thinking of da/sa DAO has no use for a decocker and SA only should not be carried hammer down on a loaded chamber in the first place. We have to be talking about DA/SA. With modern single action, should be able to carry hammer down on a loaded chamber. The trigger lifts a striker in to position between the hammer and firing pin has been required for at least 20 years. So a dropped firearm would not discharge. Even the old 3 screw Ruger Blackhawks can be refitted by the factory for free to have the striker (transfer bar) to make it safe to carry fully loaded.. However, reportedly it devalues the pistol and ruins its otherwise outstanding trigger. None of my 3 screws have the "upgrade". They are range queens and see no carry duty. |
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On Sun, 15 Dec 2019 20:52:04 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote: wrote: On Sun, 15 Dec 2019 12:56:02 -0500 (EST), Justan Ohlphart wrote: Alex Wrote in message: wrote: On Fri, 13 Dec 2019 21:43:26 -0500, Alex wrote: wrote: On Fri, 13 Dec 2019 08:43:53 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: I bought my CZ new from the CZ Custom Shop and before it was shipped to my local gun store, I had the Custom Shop convert it to SAO, among other "customizations," so it had no "double action mode." You had to rack the slide to put a round in the pipe and that, of course, would cock the hammer. At that point, if you wished, you could flick on the manual safety, and "carry" cocked and locked. I never did that. I carried in Condition 3 when I carried. Usually, though, the pistol was kept in Condition 4...no mag in the pistol, no round in the chamber, hammer down, aka "idiot proof safe." === I can see an advantage to carrying with a round in the chamber but with the hammer down - as long as the gun has a double action mode the first round. How do you get a round in the chamber without cocking the hammer? Do you have to lower the hammer manually and hope your thumb doesn't slip? That's how it works if you don't have a decocker. Don't most DAs have a decocker?Not many. He probably was thinking of da/sa DAO has no use for a decocker and SA only should not be carried hammer down on a loaded chamber in the first place. We have to be talking about DA/SA. With modern single action, should be able to carry hammer down on a loaded chamber. The trigger lifts a striker in to position between the hammer and firing pin has been required for at least 20 years. So a dropped firearm would not discharge. There is just little advantage since cocking most of them is somewhat cumbersome on the draw stroke. On a 1911, that is not even a recognized "condition". |
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