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On Fri, 13 Dec 2019 08:43:53 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: I bought my CZ new from the CZ Custom Shop and before it was shipped to my local gun store, I had the Custom Shop convert it to SAO, among other "customizations," so it had no "double action mode." You had to rack the slide to put a round in the pipe and that, of course, would cock the hammer. At that point, if you wished, you could flick on the manual safety, and "carry" cocked and locked. I never did that. I carried in Condition 3 when I carried. Usually, though, the pistol was kept in Condition 4...no mag in the pistol, no round in the chamber, hammer down, aka "idiot proof safe." === I can see an advantage to carrying with a round in the chamber but with the hammer down - as long as the gun has a double action mode for the first round. How do you get a round in the chamber without cocking the hammer? Do you have to lower the hammer manually and hope your thumb doesn't slip? Seems odd, he would buy a semiautomatic and convert it to basically a poor excuse for a single action revolver. |
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On 12/13/19 6:30 PM, Bill wrote:
wrote: On Fri, 13 Dec 2019 08:43:53 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: I bought my CZ new from the CZ Custom Shop and before it was shipped to my local gun store, I had the Custom Shop convert it to SAO, among other "customizations," so it had no "double action mode." You had to rack the slide to put a round in the pipe and that, of course, would cock the hammer. At that point, if you wished, you could flick on the manual safety, and "carry" cocked and locked. I never did that. I carried in Condition 3 when I carried. Usually, though, the pistol was kept in Condition 4...no mag in the pistol, no round in the chamber, hammer down, aka "idiot proof safe." === I can see an advantage to carrying with a round in the chamber but with the hammer down - as long as the gun has a double action mode for the first round. How do you get a round in the chamber without cocking the hammer? Do you have to lower the hammer manually and hope your thumb doesn't slip? Seems odd, he would buy a semiautomatic and convert it to basically a poor excuse for a single action revolver. I used the two SAO 9 mm pistols I owned for target shooting and for competition. SAO triggers typically offer shorter take up, lighter pull and crisper breaks than DA or DA/SA triggers. I also had the firing pin block removed on my CZ. Great pistol and much more accurate for me than the Sig P226 X-5 I had previously. The Walther I use now has a very crisp, short take up trigger apparatus, much smoother than the Glocks and other striker pistols I've fired. No external safety or decocker, but I don't carry it and the only time it is loaded, cocked, and ready to fire is when it is in my nightstand with the can attached. I hope I never have to use it. The Ruger Mark IV I have is also SAO, with an external safety that keeps the firearm from firing even if a round is in the pipe and the internal trigger is cocked. The stock trigger has a fairly long pull, but it reasonably smooth. |
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On Fri, 13 Dec 2019 21:43:26 -0500, Alex wrote:
wrote: On Fri, 13 Dec 2019 08:43:53 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: I bought my CZ new from the CZ Custom Shop and before it was shipped to my local gun store, I had the Custom Shop convert it to SAO, among other "customizations," so it had no "double action mode." You had to rack the slide to put a round in the pipe and that, of course, would cock the hammer. At that point, if you wished, you could flick on the manual safety, and "carry" cocked and locked. I never did that. I carried in Condition 3 when I carried. Usually, though, the pistol was kept in Condition 4...no mag in the pistol, no round in the chamber, hammer down, aka "idiot proof safe." === I can see an advantage to carrying with a round in the chamber but with the hammer down - as long as the gun has a double action mode for the first round. How do you get a round in the chamber without cocking the hammer? Do you have to lower the hammer manually and hope your thumb doesn't slip? That's how it works if you don't have a decocker. Don't most DAs have a decocker? |
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On Fri, 13 Dec 2019 19:51:37 -0500, wrote:
On Fri, 13 Dec 2019 17:17:59 -0500, wrote: On Fri, 13 Dec 2019 08:43:53 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: I bought my CZ new from the CZ Custom Shop and before it was shipped to my local gun store, I had the Custom Shop convert it to SAO, among other "customizations," so it had no "double action mode." You had to rack the slide to put a round in the pipe and that, of course, would cock the hammer. At that point, if you wished, you could flick on the manual safety, and "carry" cocked and locked. I never did that. I carried in Condition 3 when I carried. Usually, though, the pistol was kept in Condition 4...no mag in the pistol, no round in the chamber, hammer down, aka "idiot proof safe." === I can see an advantage to carrying with a round in the chamber but with the hammer down - as long as the gun has a double action mode for the first round. How do you get a round in the chamber without cocking the hammer? Do you have to lower the hammer manually and hope your thumb doesn't slip? Use the decocker? That's what I'd do. |
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On Sat, 14 Dec 2019 10:29:37 -0500, John H.
wrote: On Fri, 13 Dec 2019 19:51:37 -0500, wrote: On Fri, 13 Dec 2019 17:17:59 -0500, wrote: On Fri, 13 Dec 2019 08:43:53 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: I bought my CZ new from the CZ Custom Shop and before it was shipped to my local gun store, I had the Custom Shop convert it to SAO, among other "customizations," so it had no "double action mode." You had to rack the slide to put a round in the pipe and that, of course, would cock the hammer. At that point, if you wished, you could flick on the manual safety, and "carry" cocked and locked. I never did that. I carried in Condition 3 when I carried. Usually, though, the pistol was kept in Condition 4...no mag in the pistol, no round in the chamber, hammer down, aka "idiot proof safe." === I can see an advantage to carrying with a round in the chamber but with the hammer down - as long as the gun has a double action mode for the first round. How do you get a round in the chamber without cocking the hammer? Do you have to lower the hammer manually and hope your thumb doesn't slip? Use the decocker? That's what I'd do. === Does the CZ have a decocker? |
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On 14 Dec 2019 17:07:03 GMT, Keyser Soze wrote:
wrote: On Sat, 14 Dec 2019 10:29:37 -0500, John H. wrote: On Fri, 13 Dec 2019 19:51:37 -0500, wrote: On Fri, 13 Dec 2019 17:17:59 -0500, wrote: On Fri, 13 Dec 2019 08:43:53 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: I bought my CZ new from the CZ Custom Shop and before it was shipped to my local gun store, I had the Custom Shop convert it to SAO, among other "customizations," so it had no "double action mode." You had to rack the slide to put a round in the pipe and that, of course, would cock the hammer. At that point, if you wished, you could flick on the manual safety, and "carry" cocked and locked. I never did that. I carried in Condition 3 when I carried. Usually, though, the pistol was kept in Condition 4...no mag in the pistol, no round in the chamber, hammer down, aka "idiot proof safe." === I can see an advantage to carrying with a round in the chamber but with the hammer down - as long as the gun has a double action mode for the first round. How do you get a round in the chamber without cocking the hammer? Do you have to lower the hammer manually and hope your thumb doesn't slip? Use the decocker? That's what I'd do. === Does the CZ have a decocker? cz makes many lines of pistols and models within various lines. Some have decockers. The one I had did but when I bought it customized, the decocker was swapped for a traditional SAO safety. If you're afraid of totally missing a target with the DA, then spending extra money to remove the decocker so you can search for the SA safety makes great sense. |
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