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On 12/15/19 2:26 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 14 Dec 2019 21:59:27 -0500, Alex wrote: wrote: On Fri, 13 Dec 2019 21:43:26 -0500, Alex wrote: wrote: On Fri, 13 Dec 2019 08:43:53 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: I bought my CZ new from the CZ Custom Shop and before it was shipped to my local gun store, I had the Custom Shop convert it to SAO, among other "customizations," so it had no "double action mode." You had to rack the slide to put a round in the pipe and that, of course, would cock the hammer. At that point, if you wished, you could flick on the manual safety, and "carry" cocked and locked. I never did that. I carried in Condition 3 when I carried. Usually, though, the pistol was kept in Condition 4...no mag in the pistol, no round in the chamber, hammer down, aka "idiot proof safe." === I can see an advantage to carrying with a round in the chamber but with the hammer down - as long as the gun has a double action mode for the first round. How do you get a round in the chamber without cocking the hammer? Do you have to lower the hammer manually and hope your thumb doesn't slip? That's how it works if you don't have a decocker. Don't most DAs have a decocker? Not many. I guess I have just been around the good ones ;-) Based on observations at the three public ranges I visit from time to time, I can report that the mostly "polymer" pistols I see have neither a traditional safety lever nor a traditional decocker lever. These pistols are mostly Glocks and clones of Glocks. The one aspect of my Walther I don't like is that it has neither a safety lever nor a decocker lever. |
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On Sun, 15 Dec 2019 09:34:34 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote: On 12/15/19 2:26 AM, wrote: On Sat, 14 Dec 2019 21:59:27 -0500, Alex wrote: wrote: On Fri, 13 Dec 2019 21:43:26 -0500, Alex wrote: wrote: On Fri, 13 Dec 2019 08:43:53 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: I bought my CZ new from the CZ Custom Shop and before it was shipped to my local gun store, I had the Custom Shop convert it to SAO, among other "customizations," so it had no "double action mode." You had to rack the slide to put a round in the pipe and that, of course, would cock the hammer. At that point, if you wished, you could flick on the manual safety, and "carry" cocked and locked. I never did that. I carried in Condition 3 when I carried. Usually, though, the pistol was kept in Condition 4...no mag in the pistol, no round in the chamber, hammer down, aka "idiot proof safe." === I can see an advantage to carrying with a round in the chamber but with the hammer down - as long as the gun has a double action mode for the first round. How do you get a round in the chamber without cocking the hammer? Do you have to lower the hammer manually and hope your thumb doesn't slip? That's how it works if you don't have a decocker. Don't most DAs have a decocker? Not many. I guess I have just been around the good ones ;-) Based on observations at the three public ranges I visit from time to time, I can report that the mostly "polymer" pistols I see have neither a traditional safety lever nor a traditional decocker lever. These pistols are mostly Glocks and clones of Glocks. The one aspect of my Walther I don't like is that it has neither a safety lever nor a decocker lever. Which one is it? The PPs have a decocker. Glocks are DAO so a decocker would have no function. The striker is "uncocked" until you pull the trigger. |
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On 12/15/19 12:55 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 15 Dec 2019 09:34:34 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: On 12/15/19 2:26 AM, wrote: On Sat, 14 Dec 2019 21:59:27 -0500, Alex wrote: wrote: On Fri, 13 Dec 2019 21:43:26 -0500, Alex wrote: wrote: On Fri, 13 Dec 2019 08:43:53 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: I bought my CZ new from the CZ Custom Shop and before it was shipped to my local gun store, I had the Custom Shop convert it to SAO, among other "customizations," so it had no "double action mode." You had to rack the slide to put a round in the pipe and that, of course, would cock the hammer. At that point, if you wished, you could flick on the manual safety, and "carry" cocked and locked. I never did that. I carried in Condition 3 when I carried. Usually, though, the pistol was kept in Condition 4...no mag in the pistol, no round in the chamber, hammer down, aka "idiot proof safe." === I can see an advantage to carrying with a round in the chamber but with the hammer down - as long as the gun has a double action mode for the first round. How do you get a round in the chamber without cocking the hammer? Do you have to lower the hammer manually and hope your thumb doesn't slip? That's how it works if you don't have a decocker. Don't most DAs have a decocker? Not many. I guess I have just been around the good ones ;-) Based on observations at the three public ranges I visit from time to time, I can report that the mostly "polymer" pistols I see have neither a traditional safety lever nor a traditional decocker lever. These pistols are mostly Glocks and clones of Glocks. The one aspect of my Walther I don't like is that it has neither a safety lever nor a decocker lever. Which one is it? The PPs have a decocker. Glocks are DAO so a decocker would have no function. The striker is "uncocked" until you pull the trigger. Mine is a PPQ...this one. https://waltherarms.com/ppq-q4-tac-2/ I've not seen a recent PPQ with a decocker. I've send four or five different models. I was responding to your previous comment, "...around the good ones..." |
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On Sun, 15 Dec 2019 13:11:25 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote: On 12/15/19 12:55 PM, wrote: On Sun, 15 Dec 2019 09:34:34 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: On 12/15/19 2:26 AM, wrote: On Sat, 14 Dec 2019 21:59:27 -0500, Alex wrote: wrote: On Fri, 13 Dec 2019 21:43:26 -0500, Alex wrote: wrote: On Fri, 13 Dec 2019 08:43:53 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: I bought my CZ new from the CZ Custom Shop and before it was shipped to my local gun store, I had the Custom Shop convert it to SAO, among other "customizations," so it had no "double action mode." You had to rack the slide to put a round in the pipe and that, of course, would cock the hammer. At that point, if you wished, you could flick on the manual safety, and "carry" cocked and locked. I never did that. I carried in Condition 3 when I carried. Usually, though, the pistol was kept in Condition 4...no mag in the pistol, no round in the chamber, hammer down, aka "idiot proof safe." === I can see an advantage to carrying with a round in the chamber but with the hammer down - as long as the gun has a double action mode for the first round. How do you get a round in the chamber without cocking the hammer? Do you have to lower the hammer manually and hope your thumb doesn't slip? That's how it works if you don't have a decocker. Don't most DAs have a decocker? Not many. I guess I have just been around the good ones ;-) Based on observations at the three public ranges I visit from time to time, I can report that the mostly "polymer" pistols I see have neither a traditional safety lever nor a traditional decocker lever. These pistols are mostly Glocks and clones of Glocks. The one aspect of my Walther I don't like is that it has neither a safety lever nor a decocker lever. Which one is it? The PPs have a decocker. Glocks are DAO so a decocker would have no function. The striker is "uncocked" until you pull the trigger. Mine is a PPQ...this one. https://waltherarms.com/ppq-q4-tac-2/ I've not seen a recent PPQ with a decocker. I've send four or five different models. I was responding to your previous comment, "...around the good ones..." As I said, a DAO has no need for a decocker. The normal state is striker or hammer down. It cocks as you pull the trigger. |
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