On 10/3/2018 7:02 AM, John H. wrote:

https://www.rideapart.com/articles/2...termot-reveal/

Finally a Moto Guzzi with lines and ergonomics I like - except for that short windscreen. But, maybe
it's got another six inches of adjustment.



I am surprised that air-cooled motorcycles can still meet emission
standards that continue to become tighter year by year.

The emission standards are becoming more stringent for motorcycles sold
in Europe as well as the USA.

Liquid cooled engines are easier to "tune" for emission control
due to their more uniform operating temperature.

6:40 AMMr. Luddite
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I am surprised that air-cooled motorcycles can still meet emission
standards that continue to become tighter year by year.

The emission standards are becoming more stringent for motorcycles sold
in Europe as well as the USA.

Liquid cooled engines are easier to "tune" for emission control
due to their more uniform operating temperature.

............

Not sure how they keep up with the standards Richard. My Guzzi is a 2000 and has distributorless ignition and throttle body injection but no O2 sensor or catalytic mufflers. The new ones have sensors all over...

On 10/3/2018 7:52 AM, Tim wrote:

6:40 AMMr. Luddite
- show quoted text -
I am surprised that air-cooled motorcycles can still meet emission
standards that continue to become tighter year by year.

The emission standards are becoming more stringent for motorcycles sold
in Europe as well as the USA.

Liquid cooled engines are easier to "tune" for emission control
due to their more uniform operating temperature.

...........

Not sure how they keep up with the standards Richard. My Guzzi is a 2000 and has distributorless ignition and throttle body injection but no O2 sensor or catalytic mufflers. The new ones have sensors all over...


I know that Harley has had a more difficult time meeting emission
standards with their air-cooled engines but are still managing to
do so on many of their models. Some have liquid cooled (oil) heads
and air-cooled cylinders. All new Harleys (since 2008 I think)
have catalytic converters in the exhaust systems.

The Suzuki I have is a 2008. It's liquid cooled, has a catalytic
converter and is fuel injected.

7:30 AMMr. Luddite
- show quoted text -
I know that Harley has had a more difficult time meeting emission
standards with their air-cooled engines but are still managing to
do so on many of their models. Some have liquid cooled (oil) heads
and air-cooled cylinders. All new Harleys (since 2008 I think)
have catalytic converters in the exhaust systems.

The Suzuki I have is a 2008. It's liquid cooled, has a catalytic
converter and is fuel injected.

..........

Maybe be the restrictions are a bit less than automotive because there’s a lot less bikes than cars and mainly seasonal. Beats me. I thought 2strokes were going to be snuffed but that’s the normal power choice for chainsaws and weed eaters

On Wed, 3 Oct 2018 07:40:41 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 10/3/2018 7:02 AM, John H. wrote:

https://www.rideapart.com/articles/2...termot-reveal/

Finally a Moto Guzzi with lines and ergonomics I like - except for that short windscreen. But, maybe
it's got another six inches of adjustment.



I am surprised that air-cooled motorcycles can still meet emission
standards that continue to become tighter year by year.

The emission standards are becoming more stringent for motorcycles sold
in Europe as well as the USA.

Liquid cooled engines are easier to "tune" for emission control
due to their more uniform operating temperature.

I expect the Guzzi's are 'de-tuned' to meet American emission standards. My 1989 Mille is
carbureted, but came with the 'US jetting', which didn't help performance at all. Right after buying
it I replaced the jets with the European jets, put different air filters and exhaust on it, and the
thing is much, much improved.

On the Moto Guzzi groups, folks are already talking about putting new chips in their computers for
better performance. Motorcycles aren't emissions tested, at least in Virginia, like cars are. So
improvements made after the fact don't get caught.

On Wed, 03 Oct 2018 16:27:49 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Wed, 3 Oct 2018 07:40:41 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 10/3/2018 7:02 AM, John H. wrote:

https://www.rideapart.com/articles/2...termot-reveal/

Finally a Moto Guzzi with lines and ergonomics I like - except for that short windscreen. But, maybe
it's got another six inches of adjustment.



I am surprised that air-cooled motorcycles can still meet emission
standards that continue to become tighter year by year.

The emission standards are becoming more stringent for motorcycles sold
in Europe as well as the USA.

Liquid cooled engines are easier to "tune" for emission control
due to their more uniform operating temperature.

I expect the Guzzi's are 'de-tuned' to meet American emission standards. My 1989 Mille is
carbureted, but came with the 'US jetting', which didn't help performance at all. Right after buying
it I replaced the jets with the European jets, put different air filters and exhaust on it, and the
thing is much, much improved.

On the Moto Guzzi groups, folks are already talking about putting new chips in their computers for
better performance. Motorcycles aren't emissions tested, at least in Virginia, like cars are. So
improvements made after the fact don't get caught.

Al Gore is going to get you.

We actually do not get inspected at all but all of my stuff is
unaltered and is not throwing codes so I would pass the test.
I doubt any of my old 70's HD "shovels" would pass much of an emission
test tho.

On Wed, 03 Oct 2018 20:45:34 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 03 Oct 2018 16:27:49 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Wed, 3 Oct 2018 07:40:41 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 10/3/2018 7:02 AM, John H. wrote:

https://www.rideapart.com/articles/2...termot-reveal/

Finally a Moto Guzzi with lines and ergonomics I like - except for that short windscreen. But, maybe
it's got another six inches of adjustment.



I am surprised that air-cooled motorcycles can still meet emission
standards that continue to become tighter year by year.

The emission standards are becoming more stringent for motorcycles sold
in Europe as well as the USA.

Liquid cooled engines are easier to "tune" for emission control
due to their more uniform operating temperature.

I expect the Guzzi's are 'de-tuned' to meet American emission standards. My 1989 Mille is
carbureted, but came with the 'US jetting', which didn't help performance at all. Right after buying
it I replaced the jets with the European jets, put different air filters and exhaust on it, and the
thing is much, much improved.

On the Moto Guzzi groups, folks are already talking about putting new chips in their computers for
better performance. Motorcycles aren't emissions tested, at least in Virginia, like cars are. So
improvements made after the fact don't get caught.

Al Gore is going to get you.

We actually do not get inspected at all but all of my stuff is
unaltered and is not throwing codes so I would pass the test.
I doubt any of my old 70's HD "shovels" would pass much of an emission
test tho.

We have an annual safety inspection for motorcycles just as we do for autos.

On 10/4/2018 1:15 PM, John H. wrote:
On Wed, 03 Oct 2018 20:45:34 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 03 Oct 2018 16:27:49 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Wed, 3 Oct 2018 07:40:41 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 10/3/2018 7:02 AM, John H. wrote:

https://www.rideapart.com/articles/2...termot-reveal/

Finally a Moto Guzzi with lines and ergonomics I like - except for that short windscreen. But, maybe
it's got another six inches of adjustment.



I am surprised that air-cooled motorcycles can still meet emission
standards that continue to become tighter year by year.

The emission standards are becoming more stringent for motorcycles sold
in Europe as well as the USA.

Liquid cooled engines are easier to "tune" for emission control
due to their more uniform operating temperature.

I expect the Guzzi's are 'de-tuned' to meet American emission standards. My 1989 Mille is
carbureted, but came with the 'US jetting', which didn't help performance at all. Right after buying
it I replaced the jets with the European jets, put different air filters and exhaust on it, and the
thing is much, much improved.

On the Moto Guzzi groups, folks are already talking about putting new chips in their computers for
better performance. Motorcycles aren't emissions tested, at least in Virginia, like cars are. So
improvements made after the fact don't get caught.

Al Gore is going to get you.

We actually do not get inspected at all but all of my stuff is
unaltered and is not throwing codes so I would pass the test.
I doubt any of my old 70's HD "shovels" would pass much of an emission
test tho.


We have an annual safety inspection for motorcycles just as we do for autos.


Same here. A scan of the OBD is required for autos and trucks. Safety
inspection for motorcycles only. (so far).

I was very surprised when I bought and registered a little truck in
Florida that no safety or emissions tests were required.

Massachusetts put a new law on the books that took effect last year.
All inspection stations must have video cameras in the inspection
bay that can be monitored by the RMV whenever an inspection
is taking place. They are checking for any violations of the inspection
process and that all checks are done as required like jacking up the
front end and checking ball joints, etc. You even have to remove any
kind of license plate frame you may have installed to ensure the plate
number is legible when viewed by the camera.

Lots of complaints about this. Nobody can cheat anymore.

Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/4/2018 1:15 PM, John H. wrote:
On Wed, 03 Oct 2018 20:45:34 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 03 Oct 2018 16:27:49 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Wed, 3 Oct 2018 07:40:41 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 10/3/2018 7:02 AM, John H. wrote:

https://www.rideapart.com/articles/2...termot-reveal/

Finally a Moto Guzzi with lines and ergonomics I like - except for
that short windscreen. But, maybe
it's got another six inches of adjustment.



I am surprised that air-cooled motorcycles can still meet emission
standards that continue to become tighter year by year.

The emission standards are becoming more stringent for motorcycles sold
in Europe as well as the USA.

Liquid cooled engines are easier to "tune" for emission control
due to their more uniform operating temperature.

I expect the Guzzi's are 'de-tuned' to meet American emission
standards. My 1989 Mille is
carbureted, but came with the 'US
jetting', which didn't help performance at all. Right after buying
it I replaced the jets with the European jets, put different air
filters and exhaust on it, and the
thing is much, much improved.

On the Moto Guzzi groups, folks are already talking about putting new
chips in their computers for
better performance. Motorcycles aren't emissions tested, at least in
Virginia, like cars are. So
improvements made after the fact don't get caught.

Al Gore is going to get you.

We actually do not get inspected at all but all of my stuff is
unaltered and is not throwing codes so I would pass the test.
I doubt any of my old 70's HD "shovels" would pass much of an emission
test tho.


We have an annual safety inspection for motorcycles just as we do for autos.


Same here. A scan of the OBD is required for autos and trucks. Safety
inspection for motorcycles only. (so far).

I was very surprised when I bought and registered a little truck in
Florida that no safety or emissions tests were required.

Massachusetts put a new law on the books that took effect last year.
All inspection stations must have video cameras in the inspection
bay that can be monitored by the RMV whenever an inspection
is taking place. They are checking for any violations of the inspection
process and that all checks are done as required like jacking up the
front end and checking ball joints, etc. You even have to remove any
kind of license plate frame you may have installed to ensure the plate
number is legible when viewed by the camera.

Lots of complaints about this. Nobody can cheat anymore.





We have smog checks here in most counties, no safety inspections. CHP does
do random safety checks .

On 10/4/18 3:11 PM, Bill wrote:
Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/4/2018 1:15 PM, John H. wrote:
On Wed, 03 Oct 2018 20:45:34 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 03 Oct 2018 16:27:49 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Wed, 3 Oct 2018 07:40:41 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 10/3/2018 7:02 AM, John H. wrote:

https://www.rideapart.com/articles/2...termot-reveal/

Finally a Moto Guzzi with lines and ergonomics I like - except for
that short windscreen. But, maybe
it's got another six inches of adjustment.



I am surprised that air-cooled motorcycles can still meet emission
standards that continue to become tighter year by year.

The emission standards are becoming more stringent for motorcycles sold
in Europe as well as the USA.

Liquid cooled engines are easier to "tune" for emission control
due to their more uniform operating temperature.

I expect the Guzzi's are 'de-tuned' to meet American emission
standards. My 1989 Mille is
carbureted, but came with the 'US
jetting', which didn't help performance at all. Right after buying
it I replaced the jets with the European jets, put different air
filters and exhaust on it, and the
thing is much, much improved.

On the Moto Guzzi groups, folks are already talking about putting new
chips in their computers for
better performance. Motorcycles aren't emissions tested, at least in
Virginia, like cars are. So
improvements made after the fact don't get caught.

Al Gore is going to get you.

We actually do not get inspected at all but all of my stuff is
unaltered and is not throwing codes so I would pass the test.
I doubt any of my old 70's HD "shovels" would pass much of an emission
test tho.


We have an annual safety inspection for motorcycles just as we do for autos.


Same here. A scan of the OBD is required for autos and trucks. Safety
inspection for motorcycles only. (so far).

I was very surprised when I bought and registered a little truck in
Florida that no safety or emissions tests were required.

Massachusetts put a new law on the books that took effect last year.
All inspection stations must have video cameras in the inspection
bay that can be monitored by the RMV whenever an inspection
is taking place. They are checking for any violations of the inspection
process and that all checks are done as required like jacking up the
front end and checking ball joints, etc. You even have to remove any
kind of license plate frame you may have installed to ensure the plate
number is legible when viewed by the camera.

Lots of complaints about this. Nobody can cheat anymore.





We have smog checks here in most counties, no safety inspections. CHP does
do random safety checks .


Maryland does emission checks, nothing else. Stupid.