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Force 125
On 8/4/18 7:30 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/3/2018 8:59 PM, wrote: On Fri, 3 Aug 2018 17:41:14 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 8/3/2018 4:19 PM, Wayne.B wrote: On Fri, 03 Aug 2018 13:55:25 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 03 Aug 2018 06:48:47 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 2 Aug 2018 20:17:14 -0700 (PDT), wrote: I have a force 125hp. Im thinking about putting it on a 1989 searay. Is there anything holding me back from doing so === My advice would be to check with the manufacturer. http://www.searay.com/page.aspx/pageid/162289/Owners-Resources.aspx#Resources I suppose he could start by looking at the capacity plate on the boat. Since he didn't say what size it was, a 125 might be too heavy. I would be more concerned about the condition of the motor. Force had lots of problems. I am a little surprised that one is still around and running. === I assumed from his question that either he doesn't know about capacity plates or the boat doesn't have one for some reason.Â* Do you know what year they became required? U.S. Coast Guard Federal Boat Safety Act of 1971. Boats less than 20 feet powered with an inboard, outboard, or stern drive engine manufactured after November 1, 1972, must display a capacity plate defining the safe load limits. The "capacity" is number of people or total pounds including gas and engine. Max HP for engines applies only to boats powered with outboards. Florida also has an interesting spin on that. You can take the capacity plate off as soon as you drive out of the dealership that had the certificate of origin. It is not required for subsequent sales. Whether the USCG could still screw with you is conjecture. On the real boat group this has been discussed many times. It usually gets to "I knew a guy ..." According to the source where I found the Federal Boat Safety Act of 1971,Â* it is not a Federal crime to remove or exceed the ratings of the capacity plate.Â* It's a recommendation, not an enforceable law. How would one's liability insurance company react if you had an accident with a boat that had an engine that exceeded the max HP on the plate? |
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#13
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Force 125
On 8/4/2018 7:40 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 8/4/18 7:30 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 8/3/2018 8:59 PM, wrote: On Fri, 3 Aug 2018 17:41:14 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 8/3/2018 4:19 PM, Wayne.B wrote: On Fri, 03 Aug 2018 13:55:25 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 03 Aug 2018 06:48:47 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 2 Aug 2018 20:17:14 -0700 (PDT), wrote: I have a force 125hp. Im thinking about putting it on a 1989 searay. Is there anything holding me back from doing so === My advice would be to check with the manufacturer. http://www.searay.com/page.aspx/pageid/162289/Owners-Resources.aspx#Resources I suppose he could start by looking at the capacity plate on the boat. Since he didn't say what size it was, a 125 might be too heavy. I would be more concerned about the condition of the motor. Force had lots of problems. I am a little surprised that one is still around and running. === I assumed from his question that either he doesn't know about capacity plates or the boat doesn't have one for some reason.Â* Do you know what year they became required? U.S. Coast Guard Federal Boat Safety Act of 1971. Boats less than 20 feet powered with an inboard, outboard, or stern drive engine manufactured after November 1, 1972, must display a capacity plate defining the safe load limits. The "capacity" is number of people or total pounds including gas and engine. Max HP for engines applies only to boats powered with outboards. Florida also has an interesting spin on that. You can take the capacity plate off as soon as you drive out of the dealership that had the certificate of origin. It is not required for subsequent sales. Whether the USCG could still screw with you is conjecture. On the real boat group this has been discussed many times. It usually gets to "I knew a guy ..." According to the source where I found the Federal Boat Safety Act of 1971,Â* it is not a Federal crime to remove or exceed the ratings of the capacity plate.Â* It's a recommendation, not an enforceable law. How would one's liability insurance company react if you had an accident with a boat that had an engine that exceeded the max HP on the plate? This Boat US website (below) mentions that and suggests that your insurance may reject any claim or coverage or there may be state laws that apply but my point was that it is only a USCG and boat manufacturer's recommendation. It's not a federal crime to exceed the capacity plate either in total weight, people or HP rating (if powered by an outboard) however you *are* required to have the plate on the boat if manufactured after October in 1972. I have a hunch that a Coast Guard boarding party would probably give the boat captain a hard time and deserving so but no federal laws apply. I remembered something about this from when I took the 6-pack captain's license course years ago but couldn't remember the details. I remembered because it caused quite a discussion in the class. |
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#14
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Force 125
On Sat, 4 Aug 2018 09:55:41 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote: On 8/4/2018 7:40 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 8/4/18 7:30 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 8/3/2018 8:59 PM, wrote: On Fri, 3 Aug 2018 17:41:14 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 8/3/2018 4:19 PM, Wayne.B wrote: On Fri, 03 Aug 2018 13:55:25 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 03 Aug 2018 06:48:47 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 2 Aug 2018 20:17:14 -0700 (PDT), wrote: I have a force 125hp. Im thinking about putting it on a 1989 searay. Is there anything holding me back from doing so === My advice would be to check with the manufacturer. http://www.searay.com/page.aspx/pageid/162289/Owners-Resources.aspx#Resources I suppose he could start by looking at the capacity plate on the boat. Since he didn't say what size it was, a 125 might be too heavy. I would be more concerned about the condition of the motor. Force had lots of problems. I am a little surprised that one is still around and running. === I assumed from his question that either he doesn't know about capacity plates or the boat doesn't have one for some reason.* Do you know what year they became required? U.S. Coast Guard Federal Boat Safety Act of 1971. Boats less than 20 feet powered with an inboard, outboard, or stern drive engine manufactured after November 1, 1972, must display a capacity plate defining the safe load limits. The "capacity" is number of people or total pounds including gas and engine. Max HP for engines applies only to boats powered with outboards. Florida also has an interesting spin on that. You can take the capacity plate off as soon as you drive out of the dealership that had the certificate of origin. It is not required for subsequent sales. Whether the USCG could still screw with you is conjecture. On the real boat group this has been discussed many times. It usually gets to "I knew a guy ..." According to the source where I found the Federal Boat Safety Act of 1971,* it is not a Federal crime to remove or exceed the ratings of the capacity plate.* It's a recommendation, not an enforceable law. How would one's liability insurance company react if you had an accident with a boat that had an engine that exceeded the max HP on the plate? This Boat US website (below) mentions that and suggests that your insurance may reject any claim or coverage or there may be state laws that apply but my point was that it is only a USCG and boat manufacturer's recommendation. It's not a federal crime to exceed the capacity plate either in total weight, people or HP rating (if powered by an outboard) however you *are* required to have the plate on the boat if manufactured after October in 1972. I have a hunch that a Coast Guard boarding party would probably give the boat captain a hard time and deserving so but no federal laws apply. I remembered something about this from when I took the 6-pack captain's license course years ago but couldn't remember the details. I remembered because it caused quite a discussion in the class. === "you *are* required to have the plate on the boat if manufactured after October in 1972." That's my understanding also but did not remember the date. So we know the boat in question should have a capacity plate which will declare the maximum rated horsepower. Although it is apparently not illegal to exceed that rating, it would certainly put your insurance coverage at risk and probably expose you to legal liabilities in the event of a mishap. |
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Force 125
On Sat, 4 Aug 2018 07:30:55 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote: On 8/3/2018 8:59 PM, wrote: On Fri, 3 Aug 2018 17:41:14 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 8/3/2018 4:19 PM, Wayne.B wrote: On Fri, 03 Aug 2018 13:55:25 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 03 Aug 2018 06:48:47 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 2 Aug 2018 20:17:14 -0700 (PDT), wrote: I have a force 125hp. Im thinking about putting it on a 1989 searay. Is there anything holding me back from doing so === My advice would be to check with the manufacturer. http://www.searay.com/page.aspx/pageid/162289/Owners-Resources.aspx#Resources I suppose he could start by looking at the capacity plate on the boat. Since he didn't say what size it was, a 125 might be too heavy. I would be more concerned about the condition of the motor. Force had lots of problems. I am a little surprised that one is still around and running. === I assumed from his question that either he doesn't know about capacity plates or the boat doesn't have one for some reason. Do you know what year they became required? U.S. Coast Guard Federal Boat Safety Act of 1971. Boats less than 20 feet powered with an inboard, outboard, or stern drive engine manufactured after November 1, 1972, must display a capacity plate defining the safe load limits. The "capacity" is number of people or total pounds including gas and engine. Max HP for engines applies only to boats powered with outboards. Florida also has an interesting spin on that. You can take the capacity plate off as soon as you drive out of the dealership that had the certificate of origin. It is not required for subsequent sales. Whether the USCG could still screw with you is conjecture. On the real boat group this has been discussed many times. It usually gets to "I knew a guy ..." According to the source where I found the Federal Boat Safety Act of 1971, it is not a Federal crime to remove or exceed the ratings of the capacity plate. It's a recommendation, not an enforceable law. The same seems to be true in Florida since you can scrape the sticker off as soon as you leave the dealer. The law really only applies to a monohull boat 20' or shorter too. A 19' catamaran or pontoon boat does not require a sticker, although I think ABYC mandates it. I know I had one on my late 60s 16' boat but I don't think it was as informative as the ones the law requires now. It just had max engine size and number of passengers as I recall. I remember my father looking for it because he thought a 75 was overpowering a 16' boat. That was the max. |
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#16
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Force 125
On Sat, 4 Aug 2018 07:40:44 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 8/4/18 7:30 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 8/3/2018 8:59 PM, wrote: On Fri, 3 Aug 2018 17:41:14 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 8/3/2018 4:19 PM, Wayne.B wrote: On Fri, 03 Aug 2018 13:55:25 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 03 Aug 2018 06:48:47 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 2 Aug 2018 20:17:14 -0700 (PDT), wrote: I have a force 125hp. Im thinking about putting it on a 1989 searay. Is there anything holding me back from doing so === My advice would be to check with the manufacturer. http://www.searay.com/page.aspx/pageid/162289/Owners-Resources.aspx#Resources I suppose he could start by looking at the capacity plate on the boat. Since he didn't say what size it was, a 125 might be too heavy. I would be more concerned about the condition of the motor. Force had lots of problems. I am a little surprised that one is still around and running. === I assumed from his question that either he doesn't know about capacity plates or the boat doesn't have one for some reason.Â* Do you know what year they became required? U.S. Coast Guard Federal Boat Safety Act of 1971. Boats less than 20 feet powered with an inboard, outboard, or stern drive engine manufactured after November 1, 1972, must display a capacity plate defining the safe load limits. The "capacity" is number of people or total pounds including gas and engine. Max HP for engines applies only to boats powered with outboards. Florida also has an interesting spin on that. You can take the capacity plate off as soon as you drive out of the dealership that had the certificate of origin. It is not required for subsequent sales. Whether the USCG could still screw with you is conjecture. On the real boat group this has been discussed many times. It usually gets to "I knew a guy ..." According to the source where I found the Federal Boat Safety Act of 1971,Â* it is not a Federal crime to remove or exceed the ratings of the capacity plate.Â* It's a recommendation, not an enforceable law. How would one's liability insurance company react if you had an accident with a boat that had an engine that exceeded the max HP on the plate? That is always the claim but I am not sure it can happen if you did not lie about the engine size when you bought the insurance. They knew what they were insuring. It is almost as silly as the claim that your homeowner insurance is invalid if you had un permitted electrical work done. |
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#17
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Force 125
On Sat, 4 Aug 2018 09:55:41 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote: On 8/4/2018 7:40 AM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 8/4/18 7:30 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 8/3/2018 8:59 PM, wrote: On Fri, 3 Aug 2018 17:41:14 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 8/3/2018 4:19 PM, Wayne.B wrote: On Fri, 03 Aug 2018 13:55:25 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 03 Aug 2018 06:48:47 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 2 Aug 2018 20:17:14 -0700 (PDT), wrote: I have a force 125hp. Im thinking about putting it on a 1989 searay. Is there anything holding me back from doing so === My advice would be to check with the manufacturer. http://www.searay.com/page.aspx/pageid/162289/Owners-Resources.aspx#Resources I suppose he could start by looking at the capacity plate on the boat. Since he didn't say what size it was, a 125 might be too heavy. I would be more concerned about the condition of the motor. Force had lots of problems. I am a little surprised that one is still around and running. === I assumed from his question that either he doesn't know about capacity plates or the boat doesn't have one for some reason.Â* Do you know what year they became required? U.S. Coast Guard Federal Boat Safety Act of 1971. Boats less than 20 feet powered with an inboard, outboard, or stern drive engine manufactured after November 1, 1972, must display a capacity plate defining the safe load limits. The "capacity" is number of people or total pounds including gas and engine. Max HP for engines applies only to boats powered with outboards. Florida also has an interesting spin on that. You can take the capacity plate off as soon as you drive out of the dealership that had the certificate of origin. It is not required for subsequent sales. Whether the USCG could still screw with you is conjecture. On the real boat group this has been discussed many times. It usually gets to "I knew a guy ..." According to the source where I found the Federal Boat Safety Act of 1971,Â* it is not a Federal crime to remove or exceed the ratings of the capacity plate.Â* It's a recommendation, not an enforceable law. How would one's liability insurance company react if you had an accident with a boat that had an engine that exceeded the max HP on the plate? This Boat US website (below) mentions that and suggests that your insurance may reject any claim or coverage or there may be state laws that apply but my point was that it is only a USCG and boat manufacturer's recommendation. It's not a federal crime to exceed the capacity plate either in total weight, people or HP rating (if powered by an outboard) however you *are* required to have the plate on the boat if manufactured after October in 1972. I have a hunch that a Coast Guard boarding party would probably give the boat captain a hard time and deserving so but no federal laws apply. I remembered something about this from when I took the 6-pack captain's license course years ago but couldn't remember the details. I remembered because it caused quite a discussion in the class. I will ask my Ex. She is a USCG Aux muckety muck and has been in plenty of boarding parties. She was the commandant of the gang in DC for a while. |
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