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On Thu, 2 Aug 2018 19:42:38 -0400, Alex wrote:
John H. wrote: On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 13:43:51 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 06:11:11 -0400, John H. wrote: On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 22:04:39 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 21:45:10 -0400, wrote: https://tinyurl.com/ydgtok3a Lake city is mil spec stuff. === How is it possible that a brass case will attract a magnet? Is it brass plated steel? Somethings fishy. If it won't pass the magnet test, it can't be fired at my local range (indoors). I doubt you are shooting a .308 indoors anyway. It's the largest allowed at the range. They allow .30-06 according to their website. Same basic round. |
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On Thu, 2 Aug 2018 19:56:06 -0400, Alex wrote:
wrote: On Thu, 2 Aug 2018 02:25:14 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: wrote: On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 20:46:44 -0400, John H. wrote: On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 13:50:39 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 09:59:06 -0400, John H. wrote: On Wed, 1 Aug 2018 03:58:05 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: John H On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 22:04:39 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: - show quoted text - If it won't pass the magnet test, it can't be fired at my local range (indoors). ......... I still can’t figure out that ruling. Sparks. Sparks? Really? In a place with massive muzzle blasts. Yes. Really. No reason to **** you. What are the sparks going to do that a dragons breath of flame 6 feet long won't do? Probably ricochet more. And not recyclable much. If the backstop is properly angled, it is always going to be a ricochet. but it will bounce into the trap.;-) I ended up learning a lot about what bullets do when they hit steel. The first thing to understand is all FMJs explode on impact with steel. Pistol bullets with gas checks are the worst. That gas check may go back toward the shooter 10-15 feet. That is the other reason why I always shot through cardboard. The lead tends to hit and slide. Most of what I shot in the basement was cast lead. (.22 or .38 wadcutter).Just about the only time I shot anything jacketed was when I was chronographing a load I was working up. Not always. I was once hit with a .44 magnum bullet that must have ricocheted off of the edge of the angled plates. It stung but didn't leave a mark If you are not hitting the trap, all sorts of bad **** happens. Every commercial range I have seen has the top and bottom plates above the ceiling and at or below the floor. Mine only had a 2x2 sweet spot but if you can't hit a 4 sq/ft target from 40 feet away, go outside and shoot. |
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On Fri, 3 Aug 2018 01:18:40 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote: Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 2 Aug 2018 18:39:12 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: wrote: On Thu, 02 Aug 2018 13:09:03 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 02 Aug 2018 12:41:06 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 2 Aug 2018 05:04:53 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 8/1/2018 9:50 PM, wrote: On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 20:46:44 -0400, John H. wrote: On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 13:50:39 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 09:59:06 -0400, John H. wrote: On Wed, 1 Aug 2018 03:58:05 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: John H On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 22:04:39 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: - show quoted text - If it won't pass the magnet test, it can't be fired at my local range (indoors). ......... I still can?t figure out that ruling. Sparks. Sparks? Really? In a place with massive muzzle blasts. Yes. Really. No reason to **** you. What are the sparks going to do that a dragons breath of flame 6 feet long won't do? As previously mentioned, a spark (as a source of ignition) can be much hotter than a flame. It is still unclear what is going to catch on fire. === Like you said, probably nothing, but some range folks have seized on that as a secondary reason. The potential for backstop damage and ricochet risk are no doubt first and foremost. Also, they can probably get more for their recycled lead as an additional economic reason. I don't even think recycling the lead has anything to do with it because when they smelt the lead, the steel and copper will float up to the top to be skimmed off. My bullet making buddy did this all the time when he was making bullets from scrap lead. As I said earlier, the design of the trap mitigates ricochets. They all ricochet into the belly of the trap. I still say, it is just to protect his investment in the trap. I know I chipped the 1/2" steel plates in mine when I was shooting something too "hot" and that was just copper over lead. I am sure the BiMetal is a bit harder than that. I do wonder how much sparking you really get tho because that metal is not really that hard. You can bugger it up quite a bit just grabbing it with pliers to pull the bullet out. I usually think of sparks with flint and hardened steel, like as hard as a file. Russian 9MM BiMetal bullet http://gfretwell.com/ftp/Tula%209mm%20bullet.jpg When I got shot in the service was a ricochet from a 38 off the target frame. Outdoor police range in Novato near the base. Base had a rifle range. === Did you get a Purple Heart or is that just for combat? A friend of mine got a Purple Heart for what he claims was an accidental discharge. I think is only a combat injury. Or combat owie according to Mr. Heinz. There were stories about guys in Vietnam getting a purple heart for a C ration can cut. |
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On Thu, 02 Aug 2018 23:08:32 -0400, wrote:
On Fri, 3 Aug 2018 01:18:40 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 2 Aug 2018 18:39:12 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: wrote: On Thu, 02 Aug 2018 13:09:03 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 02 Aug 2018 12:41:06 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 2 Aug 2018 05:04:53 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 8/1/2018 9:50 PM, wrote: On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 20:46:44 -0400, John H. wrote: On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 13:50:39 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 09:59:06 -0400, John H. wrote: On Wed, 1 Aug 2018 03:58:05 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: John H On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 22:04:39 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: - show quoted text - If it won't pass the magnet test, it can't be fired at my local range (indoors). ......... I still can?t figure out that ruling. Sparks. Sparks? Really? In a place with massive muzzle blasts. Yes. Really. No reason to **** you. What are the sparks going to do that a dragons breath of flame 6 feet long won't do? As previously mentioned, a spark (as a source of ignition) can be much hotter than a flame. It is still unclear what is going to catch on fire. === Like you said, probably nothing, but some range folks have seized on that as a secondary reason. The potential for backstop damage and ricochet risk are no doubt first and foremost. Also, they can probably get more for their recycled lead as an additional economic reason. I don't even think recycling the lead has anything to do with it because when they smelt the lead, the steel and copper will float up to the top to be skimmed off. My bullet making buddy did this all the time when he was making bullets from scrap lead. As I said earlier, the design of the trap mitigates ricochets. They all ricochet into the belly of the trap. I still say, it is just to protect his investment in the trap. I know I chipped the 1/2" steel plates in mine when I was shooting something too "hot" and that was just copper over lead. I am sure the BiMetal is a bit harder than that. I do wonder how much sparking you really get tho because that metal is not really that hard. You can bugger it up quite a bit just grabbing it with pliers to pull the bullet out. I usually think of sparks with flint and hardened steel, like as hard as a file. Russian 9MM BiMetal bullet http://gfretwell.com/ftp/Tula%209mm%20bullet.jpg When I got shot in the service was a ricochet from a 38 off the target frame. Outdoor police range in Novato near the base. Base had a rifle range. === Did you get a Purple Heart or is that just for combat? A friend of mine got a Purple Heart for what he claims was an accidental discharge. I think is only a combat injury. Or combat owie according to Mr. Heinz. There were stories about guys in Vietnam getting a purple heart for a C ration can cut. Then someone bull****ted the doc. |
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On Thu, 02 Aug 2018 23:01:14 -0400, wrote:
On Thu, 2 Aug 2018 19:42:38 -0400, Alex wrote: John H. wrote: On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 13:43:51 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 06:11:11 -0400, John H. wrote: On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 22:04:39 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 21:45:10 -0400, wrote: https://tinyurl.com/ydgtok3a Lake city is mil spec stuff. === How is it possible that a brass case will attract a magnet? Is it brass plated steel? Somethings fishy. If it won't pass the magnet test, it can't be fired at my local range (indoors). I doubt you are shooting a .308 indoors anyway. It's the largest allowed at the range. They allow .30-06 according to their website. Same basic round. That's the point. They allow me to blast away with the 7.62X54R from the Mosin Nagant. When it's there, it's the loudest thing in there! |
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On Fri, 3 Aug 2018 01:18:40 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 2 Aug 2018 18:39:12 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: wrote: On Thu, 02 Aug 2018 13:09:03 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 02 Aug 2018 12:41:06 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 2 Aug 2018 05:04:53 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 8/1/2018 9:50 PM, wrote: On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 20:46:44 -0400, John H. wrote: On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 13:50:39 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 09:59:06 -0400, John H. wrote: On Wed, 1 Aug 2018 03:58:05 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: John H On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 22:04:39 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: - show quoted text - If it won't pass the magnet test, it can't be fired at my local range (indoors). ......... I still can?t figure out that ruling. Sparks. Sparks? Really? In a place with massive muzzle blasts. Yes. Really. No reason to **** you. What are the sparks going to do that a dragons breath of flame 6 feet long won't do? As previously mentioned, a spark (as a source of ignition) can be much hotter than a flame. It is still unclear what is going to catch on fire. === Like you said, probably nothing, but some range folks have seized on that as a secondary reason. The potential for backstop damage and ricochet risk are no doubt first and foremost. Also, they can probably get more for their recycled lead as an additional economic reason. I don't even think recycling the lead has anything to do with it because when they smelt the lead, the steel and copper will float up to the top to be skimmed off. My bullet making buddy did this all the time when he was making bullets from scrap lead. As I said earlier, the design of the trap mitigates ricochets. They all ricochet into the belly of the trap. I still say, it is just to protect his investment in the trap. I know I chipped the 1/2" steel plates in mine when I was shooting something too "hot" and that was just copper over lead. I am sure the BiMetal is a bit harder than that. I do wonder how much sparking you really get tho because that metal is not really that hard. You can bugger it up quite a bit just grabbing it with pliers to pull the bullet out. I usually think of sparks with flint and hardened steel, like as hard as a file. Russian 9MM BiMetal bullet http://gfretwell.com/ftp/Tula%209mm%20bullet.jpg When I got shot in the service was a ricochet from a 38 off the target frame. Outdoor police range in Novato near the base. Base had a rifle range. === Did you get a Purple Heart or is that just for combat? A friend of mine got a Purple Heart for what he claims was an accidental discharge. I think is only a combat injury. Or combat owie according to Mr. Heinz. There were stories about guys in Vietnam getting a purple heart for a C ration can cut. Mr. Kerry? |
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On Fri, 03 Aug 2018 05:49:39 -0400, John H.
wrote: On Thu, 02 Aug 2018 23:08:32 -0400, wrote: On Fri, 3 Aug 2018 01:18:40 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 2 Aug 2018 18:39:12 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: wrote: On Thu, 02 Aug 2018 13:09:03 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 02 Aug 2018 12:41:06 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 2 Aug 2018 05:04:53 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 8/1/2018 9:50 PM, wrote: On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 20:46:44 -0400, John H. wrote: On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 13:50:39 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 09:59:06 -0400, John H. wrote: On Wed, 1 Aug 2018 03:58:05 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: John H On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 22:04:39 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: - show quoted text - If it won't pass the magnet test, it can't be fired at my local range (indoors). ......... I still can?t figure out that ruling. Sparks. Sparks? Really? In a place with massive muzzle blasts. Yes. Really. No reason to **** you. What are the sparks going to do that a dragons breath of flame 6 feet long won't do? As previously mentioned, a spark (as a source of ignition) can be much hotter than a flame. It is still unclear what is going to catch on fire. === Like you said, probably nothing, but some range folks have seized on that as a secondary reason. The potential for backstop damage and ricochet risk are no doubt first and foremost. Also, they can probably get more for their recycled lead as an additional economic reason. I don't even think recycling the lead has anything to do with it because when they smelt the lead, the steel and copper will float up to the top to be skimmed off. My bullet making buddy did this all the time when he was making bullets from scrap lead. As I said earlier, the design of the trap mitigates ricochets. They all ricochet into the belly of the trap. I still say, it is just to protect his investment in the trap. I know I chipped the 1/2" steel plates in mine when I was shooting something too "hot" and that was just copper over lead. I am sure the BiMetal is a bit harder than that. I do wonder how much sparking you really get tho because that metal is not really that hard. You can bugger it up quite a bit just grabbing it with pliers to pull the bullet out. I usually think of sparks with flint and hardened steel, like as hard as a file. Russian 9MM BiMetal bullet http://gfretwell.com/ftp/Tula%209mm%20bullet.jpg When I got shot in the service was a ricochet from a 38 off the target frame. Outdoor police range in Novato near the base. Base had a rifle range. === Did you get a Purple Heart or is that just for combat? A friend of mine got a Purple Heart for what he claims was an accidental discharge. I think is only a combat injury. Or combat owie according to Mr. Heinz. There were stories about guys in Vietnam getting a purple heart for a C ration can cut. Then someone bull****ted the doc. I'm shocked, shocked I tell you. There was bull****ting going on in Vietnam? The whole damned debacle was bull****. It is a criminal shame that the ones who were bull****ted the most were the ones on the ground dying so LBJ could save face in a war he knew he had lost by 1966. This was what made me stop trusting the government. I was still on board up into the 70s, until I found out how much they bull****ted me. Now I don't trust a thing they say. (D or R) |
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On Fri, 03 Aug 2018 05:52:15 -0400, John H.
wrote: On Thu, 02 Aug 2018 23:01:14 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 2 Aug 2018 19:42:38 -0400, Alex wrote: John H. wrote: On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 13:43:51 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 06:11:11 -0400, John H. wrote: On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 22:04:39 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 21:45:10 -0400, wrote: https://tinyurl.com/ydgtok3a Lake city is mil spec stuff. === How is it possible that a brass case will attract a magnet? Is it brass plated steel? Somethings fishy. If it won't pass the magnet test, it can't be fired at my local range (indoors). I doubt you are shooting a .308 indoors anyway. It's the largest allowed at the range. They allow .30-06 according to their website. Same basic round. That's the point. They allow me to blast away with the 7.62X54R from the Mosin Nagant. When it's there, it's the loudest thing in there! Most of the "full sized" military 30cal/7.62s or even the German 8mm are pretty similar in performance. I am just wondering how hard it is to find russian ammo that is not steel. My neighbor showed me a 50 cal can, stuffed with rusty ammo and wasn't sure what it was for. I recognized it right away and thought of you. Once I told him, he remembered he had an old Nagant around somewhere but he wasn't sure where. (At the house here, maybe in his other house in Frostproof or at the hunting cabin). I never heard if he found it. |
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On 8/3/18 1:53 PM, Bill wrote:
wrote: On Fri, 3 Aug 2018 01:18:40 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 2 Aug 2018 18:39:12 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote: wrote: On Thu, 02 Aug 2018 13:09:03 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Thu, 02 Aug 2018 12:41:06 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 2 Aug 2018 05:04:53 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 8/1/2018 9:50 PM, wrote: On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 20:46:44 -0400, John H. wrote: On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 13:50:39 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 09:59:06 -0400, John H. wrote: On Wed, 1 Aug 2018 03:58:05 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: John H On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 22:04:39 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: - show quoted text - If it won't pass the magnet test, it can't be fired at my local range (indoors). ......... I still can?t figure out that ruling. Sparks. Sparks? Really? In a place with massive muzzle blasts. Yes. Really. No reason to **** you. What are the sparks going to do that a dragons breath of flame 6 feet long won't do? As previously mentioned, a spark (as a source of ignition) can be much hotter than a flame. It is still unclear what is going to catch on fire. === Like you said, probably nothing, but some range folks have seized on that as a secondary reason. The potential for backstop damage and ricochet risk are no doubt first and foremost. Also, they can probably get more for their recycled lead as an additional economic reason. I don't even think recycling the lead has anything to do with it because when they smelt the lead, the steel and copper will float up to the top to be skimmed off. My bullet making buddy did this all the time when he was making bullets from scrap lead. As I said earlier, the design of the trap mitigates ricochets. They all ricochet into the belly of the trap. I still say, it is just to protect his investment in the trap. I know I chipped the 1/2" steel plates in mine when I was shooting something too "hot" and that was just copper over lead. I am sure the BiMetal is a bit harder than that. I do wonder how much sparking you really get tho because that metal is not really that hard. You can bugger it up quite a bit just grabbing it with pliers to pull the bullet out. I usually think of sparks with flint and hardened steel, like as hard as a file. Russian 9MM BiMetal bullet http://gfretwell.com/ftp/Tula%209mm%20bullet.jpg When I got shot in the service was a ricochet from a 38 off the target frame. Outdoor police range in Novato near the base. Base had a rifle range. === Did you get a Purple Heart or is that just for combat? A friend of mine got a Purple Heart for what he claims was an accidental discharge. I think is only a combat injury. Or combat owie according to Mr. Heinz. There were stories about guys in Vietnam getting a purple heart for a C ration can cut. Mr. Kerry? I forgot...what did you do in Vietnam during that war? |
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