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On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 21:46:28 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote: On 7/31/18 9:45 PM, wrote: https://tinyurl.com/ydgtok3a Lake city is mil spec stuff. I'm not going to buy more than 20 rounds of any large cal ammo I've not tried before. Whatever makes you happy but I would research Lake City before I blew off this deal. |
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On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 22:04:39 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote: On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 21:45:10 -0400, wrote: https://tinyurl.com/ydgtok3a Lake city is mil spec stuff. === How is it possible that a brass case will attract a magnet? Is it brass plated steel? Somethings fishy. You are right. I didn't see that. |
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- hide quoted text - On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 22:04:39 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 21:45:10 -0400, wrote: https://tinyurl.com/ydgtok3a Lake city is mil spec stuff. === How is it possible that a brass case will attract a magnet? Is it brass plated steel? Somethings fishy. You are right. I didn't see that. ...... They said it’s reloadable and boxer , not berdan primed. So, But the finish is off? |
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On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 20:28:11 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote: - hide quoted text - On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 22:04:39 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 21:45:10 -0400, wrote: https://tinyurl.com/ydgtok3a Lake city is mil spec stuff. === How is it possible that a brass case will attract a magnet? Is it brass plated steel? Somethings fishy. You are right. I didn't see that. ..... They said it’s reloadable and boxer , not berdan primed. So, But the finish is off? I did more looking and the NATO M-80 spec allows a copper jacket or a BiMetal jacket. The cases are brass. |
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On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 22:04:39 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:
On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 21:45:10 -0400, wrote: https://tinyurl.com/ydgtok3a Lake city is mil spec stuff. === How is it possible that a brass case will attract a magnet? Is it brass plated steel? Somethings fishy. If it won't pass the magnet test, it can't be fired at my local range (indoors). |
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On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 22:04:39 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: - show quoted text - If it won't pass the magnet test, it can't be fired at my local range (indoors). .......... I still can’t figure out that ruling. |
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On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 00:24:54 -0400, wrote:
On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 20:28:11 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: - hide quoted text - On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 22:04:39 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 21:45:10 -0400, wrote: https://tinyurl.com/ydgtok3a Lake city is mil spec stuff. === How is it possible that a brass case will attract a magnet? Is it brass plated steel? Somethings fishy. You are right. I didn't see that. ..... They said it’s reloadable and boxer , not berdan primed. So, But the finish is off? I did more looking and the NATO M-80 spec allows a copper jacket or a BiMetal jacket. The cases are brass. === If they will attract a magnet there must be some steel somewhere. |
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On 8/1/18 6:58 AM, Tim wrote:
John H On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 22:04:39 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: - show quoted text - If it won't pass the magnet test, it can't be fired at my local range (indoors). ......... I still can’t figure out that ruling. I've read that steel ammo is banned because: 1. It penetrates backstops and does more damage to them. 2. It tends to ricochet more than brass ammo. 3. It sparks when it strikes objects and those sparks in an gunpowder-laden atmosphere might cause a flash fire. I don't know how true any of these reasons are...they're just the ones I seen in web articles. I don't like steel ammo or casings...they tend to be harder on firearm actions and barrels than brass casings and lead ammo. |
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On Wed, 1 Aug 2018 03:58:05 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:
John H On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 22:04:39 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: - show quoted text - If it won't pass the magnet test, it can't be fired at my local range (indoors). ......... I still can’t figure out that ruling. Sparks. |
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On Wed, 1 Aug 2018 08:48:42 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 8/1/18 6:58 AM, Tim wrote: John H On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 22:04:39 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: - show quoted text - If it won't pass the magnet test, it can't be fired at my local range (indoors). ......... I still can’t figure out that ruling. I've read that steel ammo is banned because: 1. It penetrates backstops and does more damage to them. 2. It tends to ricochet more than brass ammo. 3. It sparks when it strikes objects and those sparks in an gunpowder-laden atmosphere might cause a flash fire. I don't know how true any of these reasons are...they're just the ones I seen in web articles. I don't like steel ammo or casings...they tend to be harder on firearm actions and barrels than brass casings and lead ammo. #3 is the reason given at Sharpshooters. I was shooting some Tula 9mm when the guy came out and told me I couldn't shoot it. I asked how he knew it had steel in it. His response, "I could see the sparks when the bullet hit the floor." Good enough for me. |
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- show quoted text - #3 is the reason given at Sharpshooters. I was shooting some Tula 9mm when the guy came out and told me I couldn't shoot it. I asked how he knew it had steel in it. His response, "I could see the sparks when the bullet hit the floor." Good enough for me. ......... I can do nderstand a steel bullet, I thought they were talking about maybe something in the brass castings. Some alloy or something like that... |
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On Wed, 1 Aug 2018 08:53:40 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:
John H - show quoted text - #3 is the reason given at Sharpshooters. I was shooting some Tula 9mm when the guy came out and told me I couldn't shoot it. I asked how he knew it had steel in it. His response, "I could see the sparks when the bullet hit the floor." Good enough for me. ........ I can do nderstand a steel bullet, I thought they were talking about maybe something in the brass castings. Some alloy or something like that... The thing is, the folks at the range don't know if the steel is in the case or the bullet. They're not going to take apart the rounds to see where the steel is, so they just disallow the ammo. |
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On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 06:11:11 -0400, John H.
wrote: On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 22:04:39 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 21:45:10 -0400, wrote: https://tinyurl.com/ydgtok3a Lake city is mil spec stuff. === How is it possible that a brass case will attract a magnet? Is it brass plated steel? Somethings fishy. If it won't pass the magnet test, it can't be fired at my local range (indoors). I doubt you are shooting a .308 indoors anyway. |
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On Wed, 1 Aug 2018 03:58:05 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote: John H On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 22:04:39 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: - show quoted text - If it won't pass the magnet test, it can't be fired at my local range (indoors). ......... I still can’t figure out that ruling. They assume steel is tougher on the backstop |
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On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 07:40:19 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote: On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 00:24:54 -0400, wrote: On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 20:28:11 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: - hide quoted text - On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 22:04:39 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 21:45:10 -0400, wrote: https://tinyurl.com/ydgtok3a Lake city is mil spec stuff. === How is it possible that a brass case will attract a magnet? Is it brass plated steel? Somethings fishy. You are right. I didn't see that. ..... They said it’s reloadable and boxer , not berdan primed. So, But the finish is off? I did more looking and the NATO M-80 spec allows a copper jacket or a BiMetal jacket. The cases are brass. === If they will attract a magnet there must be some steel somewhere. BiMetal (bullet jackets) are a soft steel alloy. I have some pictures around here where I pulled one and scratched it up. They are pretty soft for "steel" but it is still supposed to be tougher on the bore. Barrel life is degraded after 4,000-5,000 rounds, roughly equal to 10,000 rounds or more as tested in an AR-15. Slower bullets have less effect. For folks like Harry who sells his guns every year or so, it is insignificant. |
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On Wed, 1 Aug 2018 08:48:42 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 8/1/18 6:58 AM, Tim wrote: John H On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 22:04:39 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: - show quoted text - If it won't pass the magnet test, it can't be fired at my local range (indoors). ......... I still can’t figure out that ruling. I've read that steel ammo is banned because: 1. It penetrates backstops and does more damage to them. 2. It tends to ricochet more than brass ammo. 3. It sparks when it strikes objects and those sparks in an gunpowder-laden atmosphere might cause a flash fire. I don't know how true any of these reasons are...they're just the ones I seen in web articles. I don't like steel ammo or casings...they tend to be harder on firearm actions and barrels than brass casings and lead ammo. The only one that really makes sense is the damage to the backstop. |
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On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 09:59:06 -0400, John H.
wrote: On Wed, 1 Aug 2018 03:58:05 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: John H On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 22:04:39 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: - show quoted text - If it won't pass the magnet test, it can't be fired at my local range (indoors). ......... I still can’t figure out that ruling. Sparks. Sparks? Really? In a place with massive muzzle blasts. |
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On 8/1/18 1:43 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 06:11:11 -0400, John H. wrote: On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 22:04:39 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 21:45:10 -0400, wrote: https://tinyurl.com/ydgtok3a Lake city is mil spec stuff. === How is it possible that a brass case will attract a magnet? Is it brass plated steel? Somethings fishy. If it won't pass the magnet test, it can't be fired at my local range (indoors). I doubt you are shooting a .308 indoors anyway. One of the local indoor ranges has some 50-yard lanes and allows 308s. I'd be wearing earplugs and muffs if I were there during that, though. |
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Tim wrote:
John H On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 22:04:39 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: - show quoted text - If it won't pass the magnet test, it can't be fired at my local range (indoors). ......... I still can’t figure out that ruling. They want reloadable brass to sell or scrap for $$. |
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On Wed, 1 Aug 2018 14:16:38 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote: On 8/1/2018 1:49 PM, wrote: On Wed, 1 Aug 2018 08:48:42 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote: On 8/1/18 6:58 AM, Tim wrote: John H On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 22:04:39 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: - show quoted text - If it won't pass the magnet test, it can't be fired at my local range (indoors). ......... I still can’t figure out that ruling. I've read that steel ammo is banned because: 1. It penetrates backstops and does more damage to them. 2. It tends to ricochet more than brass ammo. 3. It sparks when it strikes objects and those sparks in an gunpowder-laden atmosphere might cause a flash fire. I don't know how true any of these reasons are...they're just the ones I seen in web articles. I don't like steel ammo or casings...they tend to be harder on firearm actions and barrels than brass casings and lead ammo. The only one that really makes sense is the damage to the backstop. I don't know. The range I used to belong to banned them in the indoor range as well. They had an elaborate, noisy, heavy duty exhaust system in the room that had to be on whenever anyone was shooting to get rid of the gun smoke and vapors. The indoor range was electronically monitored with sensors as well that would sound an alarm if residual levels rose above a certain amount. I was told that the potential of sparks from steel jacketed ammo was the major concern. As a guy who had my own range in the basement, I can say, the ventilation was to get rid of the lead. I had 2 big "gate blowers" from a 4341 in the trap and when I changed the filters they were full of powdered lead. I always kept cardboard in front of the throat to hold the lead dust and jacket material in. It also gave you an easy place to hang your targets. A 3800 paper box, opened up was perfect so I had an unending supply. I changed them every day I shot. |
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On Wed, 1 Aug 2018 14:17:59 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote: On 8/1/2018 1:50 PM, wrote: On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 09:59:06 -0400, John H. wrote: On Wed, 1 Aug 2018 03:58:05 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: John H On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 22:04:39 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: - show quoted text - If it won't pass the magnet test, it can't be fired at my local range (indoors). ......... I still can’t figure out that ruling. Sparks. Sparks? Really? In a place with massive muzzle blasts. The indoor range I described in a previous post that had exhaust fans, etc. was eventually closed due to concern of a spark causing a fire or worse. Again, if you have muzzle blasts going off all day, what in the hell will a spark do? Have you ever shot a gun in the dark? Flame shoots out of the barrel several inches for a .22 rifle and a handgun will shoot a blast of flame worthy of a 4th of July celebration. A short ..357 will shoot a dragon's breath of flame 5 feet or more. |
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On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 13:43:51 -0400, wrote:
On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 06:11:11 -0400, John H. wrote: On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 22:04:39 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 21:45:10 -0400, wrote: https://tinyurl.com/ydgtok3a Lake city is mil spec stuff. === How is it possible that a brass case will attract a magnet? Is it brass plated steel? Somethings fishy. If it won't pass the magnet test, it can't be fired at my local range (indoors). I doubt you are shooting a .308 indoors anyway. It's the largest allowed at the range. |
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On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 20:32:59 -0400, wrote:
On Wed, 1 Aug 2018 14:17:59 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 8/1/2018 1:50 PM, wrote: On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 09:59:06 -0400, John H. wrote: On Wed, 1 Aug 2018 03:58:05 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: John H On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 22:04:39 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: - show quoted text - If it won't pass the magnet test, it can't be fired at my local range (indoors). ......... I still can’t figure out that ruling. Sparks. Sparks? Really? In a place with massive muzzle blasts. The indoor range I described in a previous post that had exhaust fans, etc. was eventually closed due to concern of a spark causing a fire or worse. Again, if you have muzzle blasts going off all day, what in the hell will a spark do? Have you ever shot a gun in the dark? Flame shoots out of the barrel several inches for a .22 rifle and a handgun will shoot a blast of flame worthy of a 4th of July celebration. A short .357 will shoot a dragon's breath of flame 5 feet or more. Call 'em. Maybe they were bull****ting me. http://sharpshootersva.com/ |
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On Wednesday, August 1, 2018 at 8:33:04 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Wed, 1 Aug 2018 14:17:59 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 8/1/2018 1:50 PM, wrote: On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 09:59:06 -0400, John H. wrote: On Wed, 1 Aug 2018 03:58:05 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: John H On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 22:04:39 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: - show quoted text - If it won't pass the magnet test, it can't be fired at my local range (indoors). ......... I still can’t figure out that ruling. Sparks. Sparks? Really? In a place with massive muzzle blasts. The indoor range I described in a previous post that had exhaust fans, etc. was eventually closed due to concern of a spark causing a fire or worse. Again, if you have muzzle blasts going off all day, what in the hell will a spark do? Have you ever shot a gun in the dark? Flame shoots out of the barrel several inches for a .22 rifle and a handgun will shoot a blast of flame worthy of a 4th of July celebration. A short .357 will shoot a dragon's breath of flame 5 feet or more. I have a Ruger Blackhawk in .30 carbine. Fireball is an apt descriptor. :) |
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On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 20:46:44 -0400, John H.
wrote: On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 13:50:39 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 09:59:06 -0400, John H. wrote: On Wed, 1 Aug 2018 03:58:05 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: John H On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 22:04:39 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: - show quoted text - If it won't pass the magnet test, it can't be fired at my local range (indoors). ......... I still can’t figure out that ruling. Sparks. Sparks? Really? In a place with massive muzzle blasts. Yes. Really. No reason to **** you. What are the sparks going to do that a dragons breath of flame 6 feet long won't do? |
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On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 20:49:13 -0400, John H.
wrote: On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 20:32:59 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 1 Aug 2018 14:17:59 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 8/1/2018 1:50 PM, wrote: On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 09:59:06 -0400, John H. wrote: On Wed, 1 Aug 2018 03:58:05 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: John H On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 22:04:39 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: - show quoted text - If it won't pass the magnet test, it can't be fired at my local range (indoors). ......... I still can’t figure out that ruling. Sparks. Sparks? Really? In a place with massive muzzle blasts. The indoor range I described in a previous post that had exhaust fans, etc. was eventually closed due to concern of a spark causing a fire or worse. Again, if you have muzzle blasts going off all day, what in the hell will a spark do? Have you ever shot a gun in the dark? Flame shoots out of the barrel several inches for a .22 rifle and a handgun will shoot a blast of flame worthy of a 4th of July celebration. A short .357 will shoot a dragon's breath of flame 5 feet or more. Call 'em. Maybe they were bull****ting me. http://sharpshootersva.com/ Maybe. Don't let logic get in the way of prejudice. There are still people who think a cell phone will burn down a gas station. |
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On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 20:46:44 -0400, John H. wrote: On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 13:50:39 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 09:59:06 -0400, John H. wrote: On Wed, 1 Aug 2018 03:58:05 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: John H On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 22:04:39 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: - show quoted text - If it won't pass the magnet test, it can't be fired at my local range (indoors). ......... I still can’t figure out that ruling. Sparks. Sparks? Really? In a place with massive muzzle blasts. Yes. Really. No reason to **** you. What are the sparks going to do that a dragons breath of flame 6 feet long won't do? Probably ricochet more. And not recyclable much. |
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On Wednesday, August 1, 2018 at 8:33:04 PM UTC-4, wrote: On Wed, 1 Aug 2018 14:17:59 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 8/1/2018 1:50 PM, wrote: On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 09:59:06 -0400, John H. wrote: On Wed, 1 Aug 2018 03:58:05 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: John H On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 22:04:39 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: - show quoted text - If it won't pass the magnet test, it can't be fired at my local range (indoors). ......... I still can’t figure out that ruling. Sparks. Sparks? Really? In a place with massive muzzle blasts. The indoor range I described in a previous post that had exhaust fans, etc. was eventually closed due to concern of a spark causing a fire or worse. Again, if you have muzzle blasts going off all day, what in the hell will a spark do? Have you ever shot a gun in the dark? Flame shoots out of the barrel several inches for a .22 rifle and a handgun will shoot a blast of flame worthy of a 4th of July celebration. A short .357 will shoot a dragon's breath of flame 5 feet or more. I have a Ruger Blackhawk in .30 carbine. Fireball is an apt descriptor. :) Only pistol I ever traded. My dad said, if you missed, the animal would still be cooked. Friend wanted it, so I traded for a Colt Lawman 357. |
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On Thu, 2 Aug 2018 02:25:14 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote: wrote: On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 20:46:44 -0400, John H. wrote: On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 13:50:39 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 09:59:06 -0400, John H. wrote: On Wed, 1 Aug 2018 03:58:05 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: John H On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 22:04:39 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: - show quoted text - If it won't pass the magnet test, it can't be fired at my local range (indoors). ......... I still can’t figure out that ruling. Sparks. Sparks? Really? In a place with massive muzzle blasts. Yes. Really. No reason to **** you. What are the sparks going to do that a dragons breath of flame 6 feet long won't do? Probably ricochet more. And not recyclable much. If the backstop is properly angled, it is always going to be a ricochet. but it will bounce into the trap.;-) I ended up learning a lot about what bullets do when they hit steel. The first thing to understand is all FMJs explode on impact with steel. Pistol bullets with gas checks are the worst. That gas check may go back toward the shooter 10-15 feet. That is the other reason why I always shot through cardboard. The lead tends to hit and slide. Most of what I shot in the basement was cast lead. (.22 or .38 wadcutter).Just about the only time I shot anything jacketed was when I was chronographing a load I was working up. |
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On 8/1/2018 8:32 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 1 Aug 2018 14:17:59 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 8/1/2018 1:50 PM, wrote: On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 09:59:06 -0400, John H. wrote: On Wed, 1 Aug 2018 03:58:05 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: John H On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 22:04:39 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: - show quoted text - If it won't pass the magnet test, it can't be fired at my local range (indoors). ......... I still can’t figure out that ruling. Sparks. Sparks? Really? In a place with massive muzzle blasts. The indoor range I described in a previous post that had exhaust fans, etc. was eventually closed due to concern of a spark causing a fire or worse. Again, if you have muzzle blasts going off all day, what in the hell will a spark do? Have you ever shot a gun in the dark? Flame shoots out of the barrel several inches for a .22 rifle and a handgun will shoot a blast of flame worthy of a 4th of July celebration. A short .357 will shoot a dragon's breath of flame 5 feet or more. What do you think is hotter ... a flame from a muzzle blast (or other source) or a spark? Answer might surprise you. A spark has very little mass, so normally little damage from them occur but they can be much hotter in terms of an ignition source than a flame. |
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