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On 8/1/2018 8:45 PM, John H. wrote:
On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 13:44:26 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 1 Aug 2018 03:58:05 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

John H
On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 22:04:39 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:

- show quoted text -
If it won't pass the magnet test, it can't be fired at my local range (indoors).
.........

I still can’t figure out that ruling.

They assume steel is tougher on the backstop


According to the range folks, they worry about sparks.


Same at the range I used to go to, among other issues like backdrop damage.

Must be something to it if more than one range is concerned about sparks.

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On 8/1/2018 9:50 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 20:46:44 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 13:50:39 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 09:59:06 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Wed, 1 Aug 2018 03:58:05 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:

John H
On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 22:04:39 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:

- show quoted text -
If it won't pass the magnet test, it can't be fired at my local range (indoors).
.........

I still can’t figure out that ruling.

Sparks.

Sparks? Really? In a place with massive muzzle blasts.

Yes. Really. No reason to **** you.


What are the sparks going to do that a dragons breath of flame 6 feet
long won't do?


As previously mentioned, a spark (as a source of ignition) can be much
hotter than a flame.

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On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 21:50:21 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 20:46:44 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 13:50:39 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 09:59:06 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Wed, 1 Aug 2018 03:58:05 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:

John H
On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 22:04:39 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:

- show quoted text -
If it won't pass the magnet test, it can't be fired at my local range (indoors).
.........

I still can’t figure out that ruling.

Sparks.

Sparks? Really? In a place with massive muzzle blasts.

Yes. Really. No reason to **** you.

What are the sparks going to do that a dragons breath of flame 6 feet
long won't do?

I don't know. Call them and ask.

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On 8/2/18 4:59 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/1/2018 8:32 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 1 Aug 2018 14:17:59 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 8/1/2018 1:50 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 09:59:06 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Wed, 1 Aug 2018 03:58:05 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

John H
On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 22:04:39 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

- show quoted text -
If it won't pass the magnet test, it can't be fired at my local
range (indoors).
.........

I still can’t figure out that ruling.

Sparks.

Sparks? Really? In a place with massive muzzle blasts.



The indoor range I described in a previous post that had exhaust fans,
etc. was eventually closed due to concern of a spark causing a fire or
worse.

Again, if you have muzzle blasts going off all day, what in the hell
will a spark do? Have you ever shot a gun in the dark? Flame shoots
out of the barrel several inches for a .22 rifle and a handgun will
shoot a blast of flame worthy of a 4th of July celebration. A short
.357 will shoot a dragon's breath of flame 5 feet or more.




What do you think is hotter ... a flame from a muzzle blast (or other
source) or a spark?Â*Â* Answer might surprise you.Â* A spark has very
little mass, so normally little damage from them occur but they can
be much hotter in terms of an ignition source than a flame.



Damn...I could use my .357 revolver to ignite the charcoal in a charcoal
grill...if I had a charcoal grill! Or to light a buddy's cigarette, if I
had any buddies dumb enough to be smoking cigarettes! :)

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On Thursday, August 2, 2018 at 10:14:40 AM UTC-4, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 8/2/18 4:59 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/1/2018 8:32 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 1 Aug 2018 14:17:59 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 8/1/2018 1:50 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 09:59:06 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Wed, 1 Aug 2018 03:58:05 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

John H
On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 22:04:39 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

- show quoted text -
If it won't pass the magnet test, it can't be fired at my local
range (indoors).
.........

I still can’t figure out that ruling.

Sparks.

Sparks? Really? In a place with massive muzzle blasts.



The indoor range I described in a previous post that had exhaust fans,
etc. was eventually closed due to concern of a spark causing a fire or
worse.

Again, if you have muzzle blasts going off all day, what in the hell
will a spark do? Have you ever shot a gun in the dark? Flame shoots
out of the barrel several inches for a .22 rifle and a handgun will
shoot a blast of flame worthy of a 4th of July celebration. A short
.357 will shoot a dragon's breath of flame 5 feet or more.




What do you think is hotter ... a flame from a muzzle blast (or other
source) or a spark?Â*Â* Answer might surprise you.Â* A spark has very
little mass, so normally little damage from them occur but they can
be much hotter in terms of an ignition source than a flame.



Damn...I could use my .357 revolver to ignite the charcoal in a charcoal
grill...if I had a charcoal grill! Or to light a buddy's cigarette, if I
had any buddies dumb enough to be smoking cigarettes! :)

Why don't you use it to burn off the nose hairs hanging out of your nostrils? You could get your ear hairs while you're at it.

:)

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On Thu, 2 Aug 2018 04:59:21 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 8/1/2018 8:32 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 1 Aug 2018 14:17:59 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 8/1/2018 1:50 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 09:59:06 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Wed, 1 Aug 2018 03:58:05 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:

John H
On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 22:04:39 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:

- show quoted text -
If it won't pass the magnet test, it can't be fired at my local range (indoors).
.........

I still can’t figure out that ruling.

Sparks.

Sparks? Really? In a place with massive muzzle blasts.



The indoor range I described in a previous post that had exhaust fans,
etc. was eventually closed due to concern of a spark causing a fire or
worse.

Again, if you have muzzle blasts going off all day, what in the hell
will a spark do? Have you ever shot a gun in the dark? Flame shoots
out of the barrel several inches for a .22 rifle and a handgun will
shoot a blast of flame worthy of a 4th of July celebration. A short
.357 will shoot a dragon's breath of flame 5 feet or more.




What do you think is hotter ... a flame from a muzzle blast (or other
source) or a spark? Answer might surprise you. A spark has very
little mass, so normally little damage from them occur but they can
be much hotter in terms of an ignition source than a flame.


A muzzle blast is not just a normal flame. The fuel is a nitro
glycerine/nitro cellulose mix that burns at 1600f or higher. I am not
sure what they think is going to burn but that will light just about
anything that is airborne.
I think they are far more worried about damage to their backstop. I
also agree, they will assign some value to the scrap brass and when it
is contaminated with steel, it becomes less valuable to them. Most
ranges say, if the brass hits the ground, it is theirs. Skeet places
are the same way about shotgun hulls. They try to say it is "safety"
but most people call bull****, particularly when the skeet places sell
the fired hulls in bags at the register.

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On Thu, 2 Aug 2018 05:04:53 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 8/1/2018 9:50 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 20:46:44 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 13:50:39 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 09:59:06 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Wed, 1 Aug 2018 03:58:05 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:

John H
On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 22:04:39 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:

- show quoted text -
If it won't pass the magnet test, it can't be fired at my local range (indoors).
.........

I still can’t figure out that ruling.

Sparks.

Sparks? Really? In a place with massive muzzle blasts.

Yes. Really. No reason to **** you.


What are the sparks going to do that a dragons breath of flame 6 feet
long won't do?


As previously mentioned, a spark (as a source of ignition) can be much
hotter than a flame.


It is still unclear what is going to catch on fire.

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On Thu, 2 Aug 2018 10:14:37 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 8/2/18 4:59 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/1/2018 8:32 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 1 Aug 2018 14:17:59 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 8/1/2018 1:50 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 09:59:06 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Wed, 1 Aug 2018 03:58:05 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

John H
On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 22:04:39 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

- show quoted text -
If it won't pass the magnet test, it can't be fired at my local
range (indoors).
.........

I still can’t figure out that ruling.

Sparks.

Sparks? Really? In a place with massive muzzle blasts.



The indoor range I described in a previous post that had exhaust fans,
etc. was eventually closed due to concern of a spark causing a fire or
worse.

Again, if you have muzzle blasts going off all day, what in the hell
will a spark do? Have you ever shot a gun in the dark? Flame shoots
out of the barrel several inches for a .22 rifle and a handgun will
shoot a blast of flame worthy of a 4th of July celebration. A short
.357 will shoot a dragon's breath of flame 5 feet or more.




What do you think is hotter ... a flame from a muzzle blast (or other
source) or a spark?Â*Â* Answer might surprise you.Â* A spark has very
little mass, so normally little damage from them occur but they can
be much hotter in terms of an ignition source than a flame.



Damn...I could use my .357 revolver to ignite the charcoal in a charcoal
grill...if I had a charcoal grill! Or to light a buddy's cigarette, if I
had any buddies dumb enough to be smoking cigarettes! :)

That is actually a survival tip. You can start a fire with a muzzle
blast but they recommend removing the bullet.

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On Thu, 02 Aug 2018 12:41:06 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 2 Aug 2018 05:04:53 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 8/1/2018 9:50 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 20:46:44 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 13:50:39 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 09:59:06 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Wed, 1 Aug 2018 03:58:05 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:

John H
On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 22:04:39 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:

- show quoted text -
If it won't pass the magnet test, it can't be fired at my local range (indoors).
.........

I still can’t figure out that ruling.

Sparks.

Sparks? Really? In a place with massive muzzle blasts.

Yes. Really. No reason to **** you.


What are the sparks going to do that a dragons breath of flame 6 feet
long won't do?


As previously mentioned, a spark (as a source of ignition) can be much
hotter than a flame.


It is still unclear what is going to catch on fire.

===

Like you said, probably nothing, but some range folks have seized on
that as a secondary reason. The potential for backstop damage and
ricochet risk are no doubt first and foremost. Also, they can
probably get more for their recycled lead as an additional economic
reason.

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On Thu, 02 Aug 2018 13:09:03 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Thu, 02 Aug 2018 12:41:06 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 2 Aug 2018 05:04:53 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 8/1/2018 9:50 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 20:46:44 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 13:50:39 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 09:59:06 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Wed, 1 Aug 2018 03:58:05 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:

John H
On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 22:04:39 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:

- show quoted text -
If it won't pass the magnet test, it can't be fired at my local range (indoors).
.........

I still can’t figure out that ruling.

Sparks.

Sparks? Really? In a place with massive muzzle blasts.

Yes. Really. No reason to **** you.


What are the sparks going to do that a dragons breath of flame 6 feet
long won't do?


As previously mentioned, a spark (as a source of ignition) can be much
hotter than a flame.


It is still unclear what is going to catch on fire.

===

Like you said, probably nothing, but some range folks have seized on
that as a secondary reason. The potential for backstop damage and
ricochet risk are no doubt first and foremost. Also, they can
probably get more for their recycled lead as an additional economic
reason.

I don't even think recycling the lead has anything to do with it
because when they smelt the lead, the steel and copper will float up
to the top to be skimmed off. My bullet making buddy did this all the
time when he was making bullets from scrap lead.
As I said earlier, the design of the trap mitigates ricochets. They
all ricochet into the belly of the trap.
I still say, it is just to protect his investment in the trap.
I know I chipped the 1/2" steel plates in mine when I was shooting
something too "hot" and that was just copper over lead. I am sure the
BiMetal is a bit harder than that.
I do wonder how much sparking you really get tho because that metal is
not really that hard. You can bugger it up quite a bit just grabbing
it with pliers to pull the bullet out. I usually think of sparks with
flint and hardened steel, like as hard as a file.

Russian 9MM BiMetal bullet
http://gfretwell.com/ftp/Tula%209mm%20bullet.jpg

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wrote:
On Thu, 02 Aug 2018 13:09:03 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Thu, 02 Aug 2018 12:41:06 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 2 Aug 2018 05:04:53 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 8/1/2018 9:50 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 20:46:44 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 13:50:39 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 09:59:06 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Wed, 1 Aug 2018 03:58:05 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:

John H
On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 22:04:39 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:

- show quoted text -
If it won't pass the magnet test, it can't be fired at my local range (indoors).
.........

I still can’t figure out that ruling.

Sparks.

Sparks? Really? In a place with massive muzzle blasts.

Yes. Really. No reason to **** you.


What are the sparks going to do that a dragons breath of flame 6 feet
long won't do?


As previously mentioned, a spark (as a source of ignition) can be much
hotter than a flame.


It is still unclear what is going to catch on fire.

===

Like you said, probably nothing, but some range folks have seized on
that as a secondary reason. The potential for backstop damage and
ricochet risk are no doubt first and foremost. Also, they can
probably get more for their recycled lead as an additional economic
reason.

I don't even think recycling the lead has anything to do with it
because when they smelt the lead, the steel and copper will float up
to the top to be skimmed off. My bullet making buddy did this all the
time when he was making bullets from scrap lead.
As I said earlier, the design of the trap mitigates ricochets. They
all ricochet into the belly of the trap.
I still say, it is just to protect his investment in the trap.
I know I chipped the 1/2" steel plates in mine when I was shooting
something too "hot" and that was just copper over lead. I am sure the
BiMetal is a bit harder than that.
I do wonder how much sparking you really get tho because that metal is
not really that hard. You can bugger it up quite a bit just grabbing
it with pliers to pull the bullet out. I usually think of sparks with
flint and hardened steel, like as hard as a file.

Russian 9MM BiMetal bullet
http://gfretwell.com/ftp/Tula%209mm%20bullet.jpg


When I got shot in the service was a ricochet from a 38 off the target
frame. Outdoor police range in Novato near the base. Base had a rifle
range.

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On Thu, 2 Aug 2018 18:39:12 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

wrote:
On Thu, 02 Aug 2018 13:09:03 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Thu, 02 Aug 2018 12:41:06 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 2 Aug 2018 05:04:53 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 8/1/2018 9:50 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 20:46:44 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 13:50:39 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 09:59:06 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Wed, 1 Aug 2018 03:58:05 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:

John H
On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 22:04:39 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:

- show quoted text -
If it won't pass the magnet test, it can't be fired at my local range (indoors).
.........

I still can’t figure out that ruling.

Sparks.

Sparks? Really? In a place with massive muzzle blasts.

Yes. Really. No reason to **** you.


What are the sparks going to do that a dragons breath of flame 6 feet
long won't do?


As previously mentioned, a spark (as a source of ignition) can be much
hotter than a flame.


It is still unclear what is going to catch on fire.

===

Like you said, probably nothing, but some range folks have seized on
that as a secondary reason. The potential for backstop damage and
ricochet risk are no doubt first and foremost. Also, they can
probably get more for their recycled lead as an additional economic
reason.

I don't even think recycling the lead has anything to do with it
because when they smelt the lead, the steel and copper will float up
to the top to be skimmed off. My bullet making buddy did this all the
time when he was making bullets from scrap lead.
As I said earlier, the design of the trap mitigates ricochets. They
all ricochet into the belly of the trap.
I still say, it is just to protect his investment in the trap.
I know I chipped the 1/2" steel plates in mine when I was shooting
something too "hot" and that was just copper over lead. I am sure the
BiMetal is a bit harder than that.
I do wonder how much sparking you really get tho because that metal is
not really that hard. You can bugger it up quite a bit just grabbing
it with pliers to pull the bullet out. I usually think of sparks with
flint and hardened steel, like as hard as a file.

Russian 9MM BiMetal bullet
http://gfretwell.com/ftp/Tula%209mm%20bullet.jpg


When I got shot in the service was a ricochet from a 38 off the target
frame. Outdoor police range in Novato near the base. Base had a rifle
range.

===

Did you get a Purple Heart or is that just for combat? A friend of
mine got a Purple Heart for what he claims was an accidental
discharge.

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Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 2 Aug 2018 18:39:12 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

wrote:
On Thu, 02 Aug 2018 13:09:03 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Thu, 02 Aug 2018 12:41:06 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 2 Aug 2018 05:04:53 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 8/1/2018 9:50 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 20:46:44 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 13:50:39 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 09:59:06 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Wed, 1 Aug 2018 03:58:05 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:

John H
On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 22:04:39 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:

- show quoted text -
If it won't pass the magnet test, it can't be fired at my local range (indoors).
.........

I still canÂ’t figure out that ruling.

Sparks.

Sparks? Really? In a place with massive muzzle blasts.

Yes. Really. No reason to **** you.


What are the sparks going to do that a dragons breath of flame 6 feet
long won't do?


As previously mentioned, a spark (as a source of ignition) can be much
hotter than a flame.


It is still unclear what is going to catch on fire.

===

Like you said, probably nothing, but some range folks have seized on
that as a secondary reason. The potential for backstop damage and
ricochet risk are no doubt first and foremost. Also, they can
probably get more for their recycled lead as an additional economic
reason.

I don't even think recycling the lead has anything to do with it
because when they smelt the lead, the steel and copper will float up
to the top to be skimmed off. My bullet making buddy did this all the
time when he was making bullets from scrap lead.
As I said earlier, the design of the trap mitigates ricochets. They
all ricochet into the belly of the trap.
I still say, it is just to protect his investment in the trap.
I know I chipped the 1/2" steel plates in mine when I was shooting
something too "hot" and that was just copper over lead. I am sure the
BiMetal is a bit harder than that.
I do wonder how much sparking you really get tho because that metal is
not really that hard. You can bugger it up quite a bit just grabbing
it with pliers to pull the bullet out. I usually think of sparks with
flint and hardened steel, like as hard as a file.

Russian 9MM BiMetal bullet
http://gfretwell.com/ftp/Tula%209mm%20bullet.jpg


When I got shot in the service was a ricochet from a 38 off the target
frame. Outdoor police range in Novato near the base. Base had a rifle
range.

===

Did you get a Purple Heart or is that just for combat? A friend of
mine got a Purple Heart for what he claims was an accidental
discharge.


You can get a Purple Heart for non-combat injuries?

--
Posted with my iPhone 8+.

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On Thu, 2 Aug 2018 16:29:40 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 2 Aug 2018 18:39:12 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

wrote:
On Thu, 02 Aug 2018 13:09:03 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Thu, 02 Aug 2018 12:41:06 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 2 Aug 2018 05:04:53 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 8/1/2018 9:50 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 20:46:44 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 13:50:39 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 09:59:06 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Wed, 1 Aug 2018 03:58:05 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:

John H
On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 22:04:39 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:

- show quoted text -
If it won't pass the magnet test, it can't be fired at my local range (indoors).
.........

I still can?t figure out that ruling.

Sparks.

Sparks? Really? In a place with massive muzzle blasts.

Yes. Really. No reason to **** you.


What are the sparks going to do that a dragons breath of flame 6 feet
long won't do?


As previously mentioned, a spark (as a source of ignition) can be much
hotter than a flame.


It is still unclear what is going to catch on fire.

===

Like you said, probably nothing, but some range folks have seized on
that as a secondary reason. The potential for backstop damage and
ricochet risk are no doubt first and foremost. Also, they can
probably get more for their recycled lead as an additional economic
reason.

I don't even think recycling the lead has anything to do with it
because when they smelt the lead, the steel and copper will float up
to the top to be skimmed off. My bullet making buddy did this all the
time when he was making bullets from scrap lead.
As I said earlier, the design of the trap mitigates ricochets. They
all ricochet into the belly of the trap.
I still say, it is just to protect his investment in the trap.
I know I chipped the 1/2" steel plates in mine when I was shooting
something too "hot" and that was just copper over lead. I am sure the
BiMetal is a bit harder than that.
I do wonder how much sparking you really get tho because that metal is
not really that hard. You can bugger it up quite a bit just grabbing
it with pliers to pull the bullet out. I usually think of sparks with
flint and hardened steel, like as hard as a file.

Russian 9MM BiMetal bullet
http://gfretwell.com/ftp/Tula%209mm%20bullet.jpg


When I got shot in the service was a ricochet from a 38 off the target
frame. Outdoor police range in Novato near the base. Base had a rifle
range.

===

Did you get a Purple Heart or is that just for combat? A friend of
mine got a Purple Heart for what he claims was an accidental
discharge.


You can get a Purple Heart for non-combat injuries?

Yes, if you were in a combat zone at the time but it is frowned on.

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On 8/2/2018 5:24 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 2 Aug 2018 16:29:40 -0400, Keyser Söze wrote:

Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 2 Aug 2018 18:39:12 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

wrote:
On Thu, 02 Aug 2018 13:09:03 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Thu, 02 Aug 2018 12:41:06 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 2 Aug 2018 05:04:53 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 8/1/2018 9:50 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 20:46:44 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 13:50:39 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 09:59:06 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Wed, 1 Aug 2018 03:58:05 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:

John H
On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 22:04:39 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:

- show quoted text -
If it won't pass the magnet test, it can't be fired at my local range (indoors).
.........

I still can?t figure out that ruling.

Sparks.

Sparks? Really? In a place with massive muzzle blasts.

Yes. Really. No reason to **** you.


What are the sparks going to do that a dragons breath of flame 6 feet
long won't do?


As previously mentioned, a spark (as a source of ignition) can be much
hotter than a flame.


It is still unclear what is going to catch on fire.

===

Like you said, probably nothing, but some range folks have seized on
that as a secondary reason. The potential for backstop damage and
ricochet risk are no doubt first and foremost. Also, they can
probably get more for their recycled lead as an additional economic
reason.

I don't even think recycling the lead has anything to do with it
because when they smelt the lead, the steel and copper will float up
to the top to be skimmed off. My bullet making buddy did this all the
time when he was making bullets from scrap lead.
As I said earlier, the design of the trap mitigates ricochets. They
all ricochet into the belly of the trap.
I still say, it is just to protect his investment in the trap.
I know I chipped the 1/2" steel plates in mine when I was shooting
something too "hot" and that was just copper over lead. I am sure the
BiMetal is a bit harder than that.
I do wonder how much sparking you really get tho because that metal is
not really that hard. You can bugger it up quite a bit just grabbing
it with pliers to pull the bullet out. I usually think of sparks with
flint and hardened steel, like as hard as a file.

Russian 9MM BiMetal bullet
http://gfretwell.com/ftp/Tula%209mm%20bullet.jpg


When I got shot in the service was a ricochet from a 38 off the target
frame. Outdoor police range in Novato near the base. Base had a rifle
range.

===

Did you get a Purple Heart or is that just for combat? A friend of
mine got a Purple Heart for what he claims was an accidental
discharge.


You can get a Purple Heart for non-combat injuries?



Yes, if you were in a combat zone at the time but it is frowned on.



Just ask John Kerry. :-)

Actually, according to Wiki:

"The criteria for the Purple Heart call for its award for any injury
received during combat requiring treatment by a medical officer; the
military makes no distinction regarding the severity of the injury.
Under military regulations, the Purple Heart can also be awarded for
"friendly fire" wounds in the "heat of battle," so long as the fire is
targeted "under full intent of inflicting damage or destroying enemy
troops or equipment."

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John H. wrote:
On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 13:43:51 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 06:11:11 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 22:04:39 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:

On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 21:45:10 -0400, wrote:

https://tinyurl.com/ydgtok3a

Lake city is mil spec stuff.
===

How is it possible that a brass case will attract a magnet? Is it
brass plated steel? Somethings fishy.
If it won't pass the magnet test, it can't be fired at my local range (indoors).
I doubt you are shooting a .308 indoors anyway.
It's the largest allowed at the range.

They allow .30-06 according to their website.

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Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/1/2018 8:32 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 1 Aug 2018 14:17:59 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 8/1/2018 1:50 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 09:59:06 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Wed, 1 Aug 2018 03:58:05 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

John H
On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 22:04:39 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

- show quoted text -
If it won't pass the magnet test, it can't be fired at my local
range (indoors).
.........

I still can’t figure out that ruling.

Sparks.

Sparks? Really? In a place with massive muzzle blasts.



The indoor range I described in a previous post that had exhaust fans,
etc. was eventually closed due to concern of a spark causing a fire or
worse.

Again, if you have muzzle blasts going off all day, what in the hell
will a spark do? Have you ever shot a gun in the dark? Flame shoots
out of the barrel several inches for a .22 rifle and a handgun will
shoot a blast of flame worthy of a 4th of July celebration. A short
.357 will shoot a dragon's breath of flame 5 feet or more.




What do you think is hotter ... a flame from a muzzle blast (or other
source) or a spark? Answer might surprise you. A spark has very
little mass, so normally little damage from them occur but they can
be much hotter in terms of an ignition source than a flame.



The sparks are occurring downrange. The muzzle blast is may yards
back. I can't imagine what would be flammable in the back stop.

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Keyser Soze wrote:
On 8/2/18 4:59 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/1/2018 8:32 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 1 Aug 2018 14:17:59 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 8/1/2018 1:50 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 09:59:06 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Wed, 1 Aug 2018 03:58:05 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

John H
On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 22:04:39 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

- show quoted text -
If it won't pass the magnet test, it can't be fired at my local
range (indoors).
.........

I still can’t figure out that ruling.

Sparks.

Sparks? Really? In a place with massive muzzle blasts.



The indoor range I described in a previous post that had exhaust fans,
etc. was eventually closed due to concern of a spark causing a fire or
worse.

Again, if you have muzzle blasts going off all day, what in the hell
will a spark do? Have you ever shot a gun in the dark? Flame shoots
out of the barrel several inches for a .22 rifle and a handgun will
shoot a blast of flame worthy of a 4th of July celebration. A short
.357 will shoot a dragon's breath of flame 5 feet or more.




What do you think is hotter ... a flame from a muzzle blast (or other
source) or a spark? Answer might surprise you. A spark has very
little mass, so normally little damage from them occur but they can
be much hotter in terms of an ignition source than a flame.



Damn...I could use my .357 revolver to ignite the charcoal in a
charcoal grill...if I had a charcoal grill! Or to light a buddy's
cigarette, if I had any buddies! :)


That's a shame.

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Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 2 Aug 2018 18:39:12 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

wrote:
On Thu, 02 Aug 2018 13:09:03 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Thu, 02 Aug 2018 12:41:06 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 2 Aug 2018 05:04:53 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 8/1/2018 9:50 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 20:46:44 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 13:50:39 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 09:59:06 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Wed, 1 Aug 2018 03:58:05 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:

John H
On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 22:04:39 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:

- show quoted text -
If it won't pass the magnet test, it can't be fired at my local range (indoors).
.........

I still canÂ’t figure out that ruling.

Sparks.

Sparks? Really? In a place with massive muzzle blasts.

Yes. Really. No reason to **** you.


What are the sparks going to do that a dragons breath of flame 6 feet
long won't do?


As previously mentioned, a spark (as a source of ignition) can be much
hotter than a flame.


It is still unclear what is going to catch on fire.

===

Like you said, probably nothing, but some range folks have seized on
that as a secondary reason. The potential for backstop damage and
ricochet risk are no doubt first and foremost. Also, they can
probably get more for their recycled lead as an additional economic
reason.

I don't even think recycling the lead has anything to do with it
because when they smelt the lead, the steel and copper will float up
to the top to be skimmed off. My bullet making buddy did this all the
time when he was making bullets from scrap lead.
As I said earlier, the design of the trap mitigates ricochets. They
all ricochet into the belly of the trap.
I still say, it is just to protect his investment in the trap.
I know I chipped the 1/2" steel plates in mine when I was shooting
something too "hot" and that was just copper over lead. I am sure the
BiMetal is a bit harder than that.
I do wonder how much sparking you really get tho because that metal is
not really that hard. You can bugger it up quite a bit just grabbing
it with pliers to pull the bullet out. I usually think of sparks with
flint and hardened steel, like as hard as a file.

Russian 9MM BiMetal bullet
http://gfretwell.com/ftp/Tula%209mm%20bullet.jpg


When I got shot in the service was a ricochet from a 38 off the target
frame. Outdoor police range in Novato near the base. Base had a rifle
range.

===

Did you get a Purple Heart or is that just for combat? A friend of
mine got a Purple Heart for what he claims was an accidental
discharge.


I think is only a combat injury. Or combat owie according to Mr. Heinz.

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On Thu, 2 Aug 2018 19:42:38 -0400, Alex wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 13:43:51 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 06:11:11 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 22:04:39 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:

On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 21:45:10 -0400, wrote:

https://tinyurl.com/ydgtok3a

Lake city is mil spec stuff.
===

How is it possible that a brass case will attract a magnet? Is it
brass plated steel? Somethings fishy.
If it won't pass the magnet test, it can't be fired at my local range (indoors).
I doubt you are shooting a .308 indoors anyway.
It's the largest allowed at the range.

They allow .30-06 according to their website.

Same basic round.

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On Thu, 2 Aug 2018 19:53:50 -0400, Alex wrote:

Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/1/2018 8:32 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 1 Aug 2018 14:17:59 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 8/1/2018 1:50 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 09:59:06 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Wed, 1 Aug 2018 03:58:05 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

John H
On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 22:04:39 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

- show quoted text -
If it won't pass the magnet test, it can't be fired at my local
range (indoors).
.........

I still can’t figure out that ruling.

Sparks.

Sparks? Really? In a place with massive muzzle blasts.



The indoor range I described in a previous post that had exhaust fans,
etc. was eventually closed due to concern of a spark causing a fire or
worse.

Again, if you have muzzle blasts going off all day, what in the hell
will a spark do? Have you ever shot a gun in the dark? Flame shoots
out of the barrel several inches for a .22 rifle and a handgun will
shoot a blast of flame worthy of a 4th of July celebration. A short
.357 will shoot a dragon's breath of flame 5 feet or more.




What do you think is hotter ... a flame from a muzzle blast (or other
source) or a spark? Answer might surprise you. A spark has very
little mass, so normally little damage from them occur but they can
be much hotter in terms of an ignition source than a flame.



The sparks are occurring downrange. The muzzle blast is may yards
back. I can't imagine what would be flammable in the back stop.

My point exactly.
I have one of those bullets. If I think about it I will hit it with a
grinder and see what kind of sparks I can bring up.

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On Thu, 2 Aug 2018 19:56:06 -0400, Alex wrote:

wrote:
On Thu, 2 Aug 2018 02:25:14 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

wrote:
On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 20:46:44 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 13:50:39 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 09:59:06 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Wed, 1 Aug 2018 03:58:05 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:

John H
On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 22:04:39 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:

- show quoted text -
If it won't pass the magnet test, it can't be fired at my local range (indoors).
.........

I still can’t figure out that ruling.
Sparks.
Sparks? Really? In a place with massive muzzle blasts.
Yes. Really. No reason to **** you.
What are the sparks going to do that a dragons breath of flame 6 feet
long won't do?

Probably ricochet more. And not recyclable much.
If the backstop is properly angled, it is always going to be a
ricochet. but it will bounce into the trap.;-)
I ended up learning a lot about what bullets do when they hit steel.
The first thing to understand is all FMJs explode on impact with
steel. Pistol bullets with gas checks are the worst. That gas check
may go back toward the shooter 10-15 feet. That is the other reason
why I always shot through cardboard. The lead tends to hit and slide.
Most of what I shot in the basement was cast lead. (.22 or .38
wadcutter).Just about the only time I shot anything jacketed was when
I was chronographing a load I was working up.

Not always. I was once hit with a .44 magnum bullet that must have
ricocheted off of the edge of the angled plates. It stung but didn't
leave a mark

If you are not hitting the trap, all sorts of bad **** happens. Every
commercial range I have seen has the top and bottom plates above the
ceiling and at or below the floor. Mine only had a 2x2 sweet spot but
if you can't hit a 4 sq/ft target from 40 feet away, go outside and
shoot.

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On Fri, 3 Aug 2018 01:18:40 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 2 Aug 2018 18:39:12 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

wrote:
On Thu, 02 Aug 2018 13:09:03 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Thu, 02 Aug 2018 12:41:06 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 2 Aug 2018 05:04:53 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 8/1/2018 9:50 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 20:46:44 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 13:50:39 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 09:59:06 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Wed, 1 Aug 2018 03:58:05 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:

John H
On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 22:04:39 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:

- show quoted text -
If it won't pass the magnet test, it can't be fired at my local range (indoors).
.........

I still can?t figure out that ruling.

Sparks.

Sparks? Really? In a place with massive muzzle blasts.

Yes. Really. No reason to **** you.


What are the sparks going to do that a dragons breath of flame 6 feet
long won't do?


As previously mentioned, a spark (as a source of ignition) can be much
hotter than a flame.


It is still unclear what is going to catch on fire.

===

Like you said, probably nothing, but some range folks have seized on
that as a secondary reason. The potential for backstop damage and
ricochet risk are no doubt first and foremost. Also, they can
probably get more for their recycled lead as an additional economic
reason.

I don't even think recycling the lead has anything to do with it
because when they smelt the lead, the steel and copper will float up
to the top to be skimmed off. My bullet making buddy did this all the
time when he was making bullets from scrap lead.
As I said earlier, the design of the trap mitigates ricochets. They
all ricochet into the belly of the trap.
I still say, it is just to protect his investment in the trap.
I know I chipped the 1/2" steel plates in mine when I was shooting
something too "hot" and that was just copper over lead. I am sure the
BiMetal is a bit harder than that.
I do wonder how much sparking you really get tho because that metal is
not really that hard. You can bugger it up quite a bit just grabbing
it with pliers to pull the bullet out. I usually think of sparks with
flint and hardened steel, like as hard as a file.

Russian 9MM BiMetal bullet
http://gfretwell.com/ftp/Tula%209mm%20bullet.jpg


When I got shot in the service was a ricochet from a 38 off the target
frame. Outdoor police range in Novato near the base. Base had a rifle
range.

===

Did you get a Purple Heart or is that just for combat? A friend of
mine got a Purple Heart for what he claims was an accidental
discharge.


I think is only a combat injury. Or combat owie according to Mr. Heinz.

There were stories about guys in Vietnam getting a purple heart for a
C ration can cut.

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On Thu, 02 Aug 2018 23:08:32 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 3 Aug 2018 01:18:40 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 2 Aug 2018 18:39:12 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

wrote:
On Thu, 02 Aug 2018 13:09:03 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Thu, 02 Aug 2018 12:41:06 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 2 Aug 2018 05:04:53 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 8/1/2018 9:50 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 20:46:44 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 13:50:39 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 09:59:06 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Wed, 1 Aug 2018 03:58:05 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:

John H
On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 22:04:39 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:

- show quoted text -
If it won't pass the magnet test, it can't be fired at my local range (indoors).
.........

I still can?t figure out that ruling.

Sparks.

Sparks? Really? In a place with massive muzzle blasts.

Yes. Really. No reason to **** you.


What are the sparks going to do that a dragons breath of flame 6 feet
long won't do?


As previously mentioned, a spark (as a source of ignition) can be much
hotter than a flame.


It is still unclear what is going to catch on fire.

===

Like you said, probably nothing, but some range folks have seized on
that as a secondary reason. The potential for backstop damage and
ricochet risk are no doubt first and foremost. Also, they can
probably get more for their recycled lead as an additional economic
reason.

I don't even think recycling the lead has anything to do with it
because when they smelt the lead, the steel and copper will float up
to the top to be skimmed off. My bullet making buddy did this all the
time when he was making bullets from scrap lead.
As I said earlier, the design of the trap mitigates ricochets. They
all ricochet into the belly of the trap.
I still say, it is just to protect his investment in the trap.
I know I chipped the 1/2" steel plates in mine when I was shooting
something too "hot" and that was just copper over lead. I am sure the
BiMetal is a bit harder than that.
I do wonder how much sparking you really get tho because that metal is
not really that hard. You can bugger it up quite a bit just grabbing
it with pliers to pull the bullet out. I usually think of sparks with
flint and hardened steel, like as hard as a file.

Russian 9MM BiMetal bullet
http://gfretwell.com/ftp/Tula%209mm%20bullet.jpg


When I got shot in the service was a ricochet from a 38 off the target
frame. Outdoor police range in Novato near the base. Base had a rifle
range.

===

Did you get a Purple Heart or is that just for combat? A friend of
mine got a Purple Heart for what he claims was an accidental
discharge.


I think is only a combat injury. Or combat owie according to Mr. Heinz.

There were stories about guys in Vietnam getting a purple heart for a
C ration can cut.

Then someone bull****ted the doc.

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On Thu, 02 Aug 2018 23:01:14 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 2 Aug 2018 19:42:38 -0400, Alex wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 13:43:51 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 06:11:11 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 22:04:39 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:

On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 21:45:10 -0400, wrote:

https://tinyurl.com/ydgtok3a

Lake city is mil spec stuff.
===

How is it possible that a brass case will attract a magnet? Is it
brass plated steel? Somethings fishy.
If it won't pass the magnet test, it can't be fired at my local range (indoors).
I doubt you are shooting a .308 indoors anyway.
It's the largest allowed at the range.

They allow .30-06 according to their website.

Same basic round.

That's the point. They allow me to blast away with the 7.62X54R from the Mosin Nagant. When it's
there, it's the loudest thing in there!

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wrote:
On Fri, 3 Aug 2018 01:18:40 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 2 Aug 2018 18:39:12 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

wrote:
On Thu, 02 Aug 2018 13:09:03 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Thu, 02 Aug 2018 12:41:06 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 2 Aug 2018 05:04:53 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 8/1/2018 9:50 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 20:46:44 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 13:50:39 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 09:59:06 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Wed, 1 Aug 2018 03:58:05 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:

John H
On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 22:04:39 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:

- show quoted text -
If it won't pass the magnet test, it can't be fired at my local range
(indoors).
.........

I still can?t figure out that ruling.

Sparks.

Sparks? Really? In a place with massive muzzle blasts.

Yes. Really. No reason to **** you.


What are the sparks going to do that a dragons breath of flame 6 feet
long won't do?


As previously mentioned, a spark (as a source of ignition) can be much
hotter than a flame.


It is still unclear what is going to catch on fire.

===

Like you said, probably nothing, but some range folks have seized on
that as a secondary reason. The potential for backstop damage and
ricochet risk are no doubt first and foremost. Also, they can
probably get more for their recycled lead as an additional economic
reason.

I don't even think recycling the lead has anything to do with it
because when they smelt the lead, the steel and copper will float up
to the top to be skimmed off. My bullet making buddy did this all the
time when he was making bullets from scrap lead.
As I said earlier, the design of the trap mitigates ricochets. They
all ricochet into the belly of the trap.
I still say, it is just to protect his investment in the trap.
I know I chipped the 1/2" steel plates in mine when I was shooting
something too "hot" and that was just copper over lead. I am sure the
BiMetal is a bit harder than that.
I do wonder how much sparking you really get tho because that metal is
not really that hard. You can bugger it up quite a bit just grabbing
it with pliers to pull the bullet out. I usually think of sparks with
flint and hardened steel, like as hard as a file.

Russian 9MM BiMetal bullet
http://gfretwell.com/ftp/Tula%209mm%20bullet.jpg


When I got shot in the service was a ricochet from a 38 off the target
frame. Outdoor police range in Novato near the base. Base had a rifle
range.

===

Did you get a Purple Heart or is that just for combat? A friend of
mine got a Purple Heart for what he claims was an accidental
discharge.


I think is only a combat injury. Or combat owie according to Mr. Heinz.

There were stories about guys in Vietnam getting a purple heart for a
C ration can cut.


Mr. Kerry?

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On Fri, 03 Aug 2018 05:49:39 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Thu, 02 Aug 2018 23:08:32 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 3 Aug 2018 01:18:40 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 2 Aug 2018 18:39:12 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

wrote:
On Thu, 02 Aug 2018 13:09:03 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Thu, 02 Aug 2018 12:41:06 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 2 Aug 2018 05:04:53 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 8/1/2018 9:50 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 20:46:44 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 13:50:39 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 09:59:06 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Wed, 1 Aug 2018 03:58:05 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:

John H
On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 22:04:39 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:

- show quoted text -
If it won't pass the magnet test, it can't be fired at my local range (indoors).
.........

I still can?t figure out that ruling.

Sparks.

Sparks? Really? In a place with massive muzzle blasts.

Yes. Really. No reason to **** you.


What are the sparks going to do that a dragons breath of flame 6 feet
long won't do?


As previously mentioned, a spark (as a source of ignition) can be much
hotter than a flame.


It is still unclear what is going to catch on fire.

===

Like you said, probably nothing, but some range folks have seized on
that as a secondary reason. The potential for backstop damage and
ricochet risk are no doubt first and foremost. Also, they can
probably get more for their recycled lead as an additional economic
reason.

I don't even think recycling the lead has anything to do with it
because when they smelt the lead, the steel and copper will float up
to the top to be skimmed off. My bullet making buddy did this all the
time when he was making bullets from scrap lead.
As I said earlier, the design of the trap mitigates ricochets. They
all ricochet into the belly of the trap.
I still say, it is just to protect his investment in the trap.
I know I chipped the 1/2" steel plates in mine when I was shooting
something too "hot" and that was just copper over lead. I am sure the
BiMetal is a bit harder than that.
I do wonder how much sparking you really get tho because that metal is
not really that hard. You can bugger it up quite a bit just grabbing
it with pliers to pull the bullet out. I usually think of sparks with
flint and hardened steel, like as hard as a file.

Russian 9MM BiMetal bullet
http://gfretwell.com/ftp/Tula%209mm%20bullet.jpg


When I got shot in the service was a ricochet from a 38 off the target
frame. Outdoor police range in Novato near the base. Base had a rifle
range.

===

Did you get a Purple Heart or is that just for combat? A friend of
mine got a Purple Heart for what he claims was an accidental
discharge.


I think is only a combat injury. Or combat owie according to Mr. Heinz.

There were stories about guys in Vietnam getting a purple heart for a
C ration can cut.

Then someone bull****ted the doc.

I'm shocked, shocked I tell you. There was bull****ting going on in
Vietnam?
The whole damned debacle was bull****. It is a criminal shame that the
ones who were bull****ted the most were the ones on the ground dying
so LBJ could save face in a war he knew he had lost by 1966.
This was what made me stop trusting the government. I was still on
board up into the 70s, until I found out how much they bull****ted me.
Now I don't trust a thing they say. (D or R)

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On Fri, 03 Aug 2018 05:52:15 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Thu, 02 Aug 2018 23:01:14 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 2 Aug 2018 19:42:38 -0400, Alex wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 13:43:51 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 06:11:11 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 22:04:39 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:

On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 21:45:10 -0400, wrote:

https://tinyurl.com/ydgtok3a

Lake city is mil spec stuff.
===

How is it possible that a brass case will attract a magnet? Is it
brass plated steel? Somethings fishy.
If it won't pass the magnet test, it can't be fired at my local range (indoors).
I doubt you are shooting a .308 indoors anyway.
It's the largest allowed at the range.

They allow .30-06 according to their website.

Same basic round.

That's the point. They allow me to blast away with the 7.62X54R from the Mosin Nagant. When it's
there, it's the loudest thing in there!

Most of the "full sized" military 30cal/7.62s or even the German 8mm
are pretty similar in performance. I am just wondering how hard it is
to find russian ammo that is not steel.
My neighbor showed me a 50 cal can, stuffed with rusty ammo and wasn't
sure what it was for. I recognized it right away and thought of you.
Once I told him, he remembered he had an old Nagant around somewhere
but he wasn't sure where. (At the house here, maybe in his other house
in Frostproof or at the hunting cabin). I never heard if he found it.

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On 8/3/18 1:53 PM, Bill wrote:
wrote:
On Fri, 3 Aug 2018 01:18:40 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 2 Aug 2018 18:39:12 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

wrote:
On Thu, 02 Aug 2018 13:09:03 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Thu, 02 Aug 2018 12:41:06 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 2 Aug 2018 05:04:53 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 8/1/2018 9:50 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 20:46:44 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 13:50:39 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 09:59:06 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Wed, 1 Aug 2018 03:58:05 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:

John H
On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 22:04:39 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:

- show quoted text -
If it won't pass the magnet test, it can't be fired at my local range
(indoors).
.........

I still can?t figure out that ruling.

Sparks.

Sparks? Really? In a place with massive muzzle blasts.

Yes. Really. No reason to **** you.


What are the sparks going to do that a dragons breath of flame 6 feet
long won't do?


As previously mentioned, a spark (as a source of ignition) can be much
hotter than a flame.


It is still unclear what is going to catch on fire.

===

Like you said, probably nothing, but some range folks have seized on
that as a secondary reason. The potential for backstop damage and
ricochet risk are no doubt first and foremost. Also, they can
probably get more for their recycled lead as an additional economic
reason.

I don't even think recycling the lead has anything to do with it
because when they smelt the lead, the steel and copper will float up
to the top to be skimmed off. My bullet making buddy did this all the
time when he was making bullets from scrap lead.
As I said earlier, the design of the trap mitigates ricochets. They
all ricochet into the belly of the trap.
I still say, it is just to protect his investment in the trap.
I know I chipped the 1/2" steel plates in mine when I was shooting
something too "hot" and that was just copper over lead. I am sure the
BiMetal is a bit harder than that.
I do wonder how much sparking you really get tho because that metal is
not really that hard. You can bugger it up quite a bit just grabbing
it with pliers to pull the bullet out. I usually think of sparks with
flint and hardened steel, like as hard as a file.

Russian 9MM BiMetal bullet
http://gfretwell.com/ftp/Tula%209mm%20bullet.jpg


When I got shot in the service was a ricochet from a 38 off the target
frame. Outdoor police range in Novato near the base. Base had a rifle
range.

===

Did you get a Purple Heart or is that just for combat? A friend of
mine got a Purple Heart for what he claims was an accidental
discharge.


I think is only a combat injury. Or combat owie according to Mr. Heinz.

There were stories about guys in Vietnam getting a purple heart for a
C ration can cut.


Mr. Kerry?


I forgot...what did you do in Vietnam during that war?

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On 8/3/18 2:13 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 03 Aug 2018 05:52:15 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Thu, 02 Aug 2018 23:01:14 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 2 Aug 2018 19:42:38 -0400, Alex wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 13:43:51 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 06:11:11 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 22:04:39 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:

On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 21:45:10 -0400, wrote:

https://tinyurl.com/ydgtok3a

Lake city is mil spec stuff.
===

How is it possible that a brass case will attract a magnet? Is it
brass plated steel? Somethings fishy.
If it won't pass the magnet test, it can't be fired at my local range (indoors).
I doubt you are shooting a .308 indoors anyway.
It's the largest allowed at the range.

They allow .30-06 according to their website.

Same basic round.

That's the point. They allow me to blast away with the 7.62X54R from the Mosin Nagant. When it's
there, it's the loudest thing in there!

Most of the "full sized" military 30cal/7.62s or even the German 8mm
are pretty similar in performance. I am just wondering how hard it is
to find russian ammo that is not steel.
My neighbor showed me a 50 cal can, stuffed with rusty ammo and wasn't
sure what it was for. I recognized it right away and thought of you.
Once I told him, he remembered he had an old Nagant around somewhere
but he wasn't sure where. (At the house here, maybe in his other house
in Frostproof or at the hunting cabin). I never heard if he found it.



Wolf is a Russian brand name, but it makes ammo in other countries. The
Wolf Gold I liked, a "brass" bullet and casing, was made in Taiwan...it
was .223 ammo. Shot true, was pretty clean.

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Keyser Soze wrote:
On 8/3/18 1:53 PM, Bill wrote:
wrote:
On Fri, 3 Aug 2018 01:18:40 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 2 Aug 2018 18:39:12 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

wrote:
On Thu, 02 Aug 2018 13:09:03 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Thu, 02 Aug 2018 12:41:06 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 2 Aug 2018 05:04:53 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 8/1/2018 9:50 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 20:46:44 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 13:50:39 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 09:59:06 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Wed, 1 Aug 2018 03:58:05 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:

John H
On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 22:04:39 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:

- show quoted text -
If it won't pass the magnet test, it can't be fired at my local range
(indoors).
.........

I still can?t figure out that ruling.

Sparks.

Sparks? Really? In a place with massive muzzle blasts.

Yes. Really. No reason to **** you.


What are the sparks going to do that a dragons breath of flame 6 feet
long won't do?


As previously mentioned, a spark (as a source of ignition) can be much
hotter than a flame.


It is still unclear what is going to catch on fire.

===

Like you said, probably nothing, but some range folks have seized on
that as a secondary reason. The potential for backstop damage and
ricochet risk are no doubt first and foremost. Also, they can
probably get more for their recycled lead as an additional economic
reason.

I don't even think recycling the lead has anything to do with it
because when they smelt the lead, the steel and copper will float up
to the top to be skimmed off. My bullet making buddy did this all the
time when he was making bullets from scrap lead.
As I said earlier, the design of the trap mitigates ricochets. They
all ricochet into the belly of the trap.
I still say, it is just to protect his investment in the trap.
I know I chipped the 1/2" steel plates in mine when I was shooting
something too "hot" and that was just copper over lead. I am sure the
BiMetal is a bit harder than that.
I do wonder how much sparking you really get tho because that metal is
not really that hard. You can bugger it up quite a bit just grabbing
it with pliers to pull the bullet out. I usually think of sparks with
flint and hardened steel, like as hard as a file.

Russian 9MM BiMetal bullet
http://gfretwell.com/ftp/Tula%209mm%20bullet.jpg


When I got shot in the service was a ricochet from a 38 off the target
frame. Outdoor police range in Novato near the base. Base had a rifle
range.

===

Did you get a Purple Heart or is that just for combat? A friend of
mine got a Purple Heart for what he claims was an accidental
discharge.


I think is only a combat injury. Or combat owie according to Mr. Heinz.

There were stories about guys in Vietnam getting a purple heart for a
C ration can cut.


Mr. Kerry?


I forgot...what did you do in Vietnam during that war?


I stayed in the states assigned to a military airlift wing. MAW. And
fixed airborne radar units from the transports most of the time. Also was
the ILS trained guy, but never had to work on the ground based Instrument
Landing System. Unlike you, going to Vietnam as a high paid contractor.

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On Fri, 3 Aug 2018 19:31:27 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

Keyser Soze wrote:

I forgot...what did you do in Vietnam during that war?


I stayed in the states assigned to a military airlift wing. MAW. And
fixed airborne radar units from the transports most of the time. Also was
the ILS trained guy, but never had to work on the ground based Instrument
Landing System. Unlike you, going to Vietnam as a high paid contractor.

High paid contractor? I never heard that story. I did try to get IBM
to send me there for a while and the pay was good but they wouldn't do
it. That was probably a good thing because I would have been there for
Tet. I did room with a guy in Chicago who did go through Tet in an IBM
unit in Danang and he said it was ugly.

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On Fri, 03 Aug 2018 14:03:00 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 03 Aug 2018 05:49:39 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Thu, 02 Aug 2018 23:08:32 -0400, wrote:

On Fri, 3 Aug 2018 01:18:40 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 2 Aug 2018 18:39:12 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

wrote:
On Thu, 02 Aug 2018 13:09:03 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Thu, 02 Aug 2018 12:41:06 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 2 Aug 2018 05:04:53 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 8/1/2018 9:50 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 20:46:44 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 13:50:39 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 09:59:06 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Wed, 1 Aug 2018 03:58:05 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:

John H
On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 22:04:39 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:

- show quoted text -
If it won't pass the magnet test, it can't be fired at my local range (indoors).
.........

I still can?t figure out that ruling.

Sparks.

Sparks? Really? In a place with massive muzzle blasts.

Yes. Really. No reason to **** you.


What are the sparks going to do that a dragons breath of flame 6 feet
long won't do?


As previously mentioned, a spark (as a source of ignition) can be much
hotter than a flame.


It is still unclear what is going to catch on fire.

===

Like you said, probably nothing, but some range folks have seized on
that as a secondary reason. The potential for backstop damage and
ricochet risk are no doubt first and foremost. Also, they can
probably get more for their recycled lead as an additional economic
reason.

I don't even think recycling the lead has anything to do with it
because when they smelt the lead, the steel and copper will float up
to the top to be skimmed off. My bullet making buddy did this all the
time when he was making bullets from scrap lead.
As I said earlier, the design of the trap mitigates ricochets. They
all ricochet into the belly of the trap.
I still say, it is just to protect his investment in the trap.
I know I chipped the 1/2" steel plates in mine when I was shooting
something too "hot" and that was just copper over lead. I am sure the
BiMetal is a bit harder than that.
I do wonder how much sparking you really get tho because that metal is
not really that hard. You can bugger it up quite a bit just grabbing
it with pliers to pull the bullet out. I usually think of sparks with
flint and hardened steel, like as hard as a file.

Russian 9MM BiMetal bullet
http://gfretwell.com/ftp/Tula%209mm%20bullet.jpg


When I got shot in the service was a ricochet from a 38 off the target
frame. Outdoor police range in Novato near the base. Base had a rifle
range.

===

Did you get a Purple Heart or is that just for combat? A friend of
mine got a Purple Heart for what he claims was an accidental
discharge.


I think is only a combat injury. Or combat owie according to Mr. Heinz.

There were stories about guys in Vietnam getting a purple heart for a
C ration can cut.

Then someone bull****ted the doc.

I'm shocked, shocked I tell you. There was bull****ting going on in
Vietnam?
The whole damned debacle was bull****. It is a criminal shame that the
ones who were bull****ted the most were the ones on the ground dying
so LBJ could save face in a war he knew he had lost by 1966.
This was what made me stop trusting the government. I was still on
board up into the 70s, until I found out how much they bull****ted me.
Now I don't trust a thing they say. (D or R)

===

Virtually all politics is based on deception of one sort or another.
You just get to pick the brand of deception that most appeals to you.

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wrote:
On Thu, 2 Aug 2018 19:42:38 -0400, Alex wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 13:43:51 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 06:11:11 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 22:04:39 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:

On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 21:45:10 -0400, wrote:

https://tinyurl.com/ydgtok3a

Lake city is mil spec stuff.
===

How is it possible that a brass case will attract a magnet? Is it
brass plated steel? Somethings fishy.
If it won't pass the magnet test, it can't be fired at my local range (indoors).
I doubt you are shooting a .308 indoors anyway.
It's the largest allowed at the range.
They allow .30-06 according to their website.
Same basic round.

Yes, but .30-06 has a higher velocity.

More of that lake city .308
 

More of that lake city .308
 

Keyser Soze wrote:
On 8/3/18 1:53 PM, Bill wrote:
wrote:
On Fri, 3 Aug 2018 01:18:40 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 2 Aug 2018 18:39:12 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

wrote:
On Thu, 02 Aug 2018 13:09:03 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Thu, 02 Aug 2018 12:41:06 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 2 Aug 2018 05:04:53 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 8/1/2018 9:50 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 20:46:44 -0400, John H.

wrote:

On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 13:50:39 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 09:59:06 -0400, John H.

wrote:

On Wed, 1 Aug 2018 03:58:05 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

John H
On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 22:04:39 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

- show quoted text -
If it won't pass the magnet test, it can't be fired at
my local range
(indoors).
.........

I still can?t figure out that ruling.

Sparks.

Sparks? Really? In a place with massive muzzle blasts.

Yes. Really. No reason to **** you.


What are the sparks going to do that a dragons breath of
flame 6 feet
long won't do?


As previously mentioned, a spark (as a source of ignition)
can be much
hotter than a flame.


It is still unclear what is going to catch on fire.

===

Like you said, probably nothing, but some range folks have
seized on
that as a secondary reason. The potential for backstop damage and
ricochet risk are no doubt first and foremost. Also, they can
probably get more for their recycled lead as an additional
economic
reason.

I don't even think recycling the lead has anything to do with it
because when they smelt the lead, the steel and copper will
float up
to the top to be skimmed off. My bullet making buddy did this
all the
time when he was making bullets from scrap lead.
As I said earlier, the design of the trap mitigates ricochets. They
all ricochet into the belly of the trap.
I still say, it is just to protect his investment in the trap.
I know I chipped the 1/2" steel plates in mine when I was shooting
something too "hot" and that was just copper over lead. I am
sure the
BiMetal is a bit harder than that.
I do wonder how much sparking you really get tho because that
metal is
not really that hard. You can bugger it up quite a bit just
grabbing
it with pliers to pull the bullet out. I usually think of sparks
with
flint and hardened steel, like as hard as a file.

Russian 9MM BiMetal bullet
http://gfretwell.com/ftp/Tula%209mm%20bullet.jpg


When I got shot in the service was a ricochet from a 38 off the
target
frame. Outdoor police range in Novato near the base. Base had a
rifle
range.

===

Did you get a Purple Heart or is that just for combat? A friend of
mine got a Purple Heart for what he claims was an accidental
discharge.


I think is only a combat injury. Or combat owie according to Mr.
Heinz.

There were stories about guys in Vietnam getting a purple heart for a
C ration can cut.


Mr. Kerry?


I forgot...what did you do in Vietnam during that war?

He was on a covert team searching for bodies, of course.

More of that lake city .308
 

Keyser Soze wrote:
On 8/3/18 2:13 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 03 Aug 2018 05:52:15 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Thu, 02 Aug 2018 23:01:14 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 2 Aug 2018 19:42:38 -0400, Alex wrote:

John H. wrote:
On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 13:43:51 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 06:11:11 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 22:04:39 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 21:45:10 -0400, wrote:

https://tinyurl.com/ydgtok3a

Lake city is mil spec stuff.
===

How is it possible that a brass case will attract a magnet?
Is it
brass plated steel? Somethings fishy.
If it won't pass the magnet test, it can't be fired at my local
range (indoors).
I doubt you are shooting a .308 indoors anyway.
It's the largest allowed at the range.

They allow .30-06 according to their website.

Same basic round.

That's the point. They allow me to blast away with the 7.62X54R from
the Mosin Nagant. When it's
there, it's the loudest thing in there!

Most of the "full sized" military 30cal/7.62s or even the German 8mm
are pretty similar in performance. I am just wondering how hard it is
to find russian ammo that is not steel.
My neighbor showed me a 50 cal can, stuffed with rusty ammo and wasn't
sure what it was for. I recognized it right away and thought of you.
Once I told him, he remembered he had an old Nagant around somewhere
but he wasn't sure where. (At the house here, maybe in his other house
in Frostproof or at the hunting cabin). I never heard if he found it.



Wolf is a Russian brand name, but it makes ammo in other countries.
The Wolf Gold I liked, a "brass" bullet and casing, was made in
Taiwan...it was .223 ammo. Shot true, was pretty clean.

Fantastic!

More of that lake city .308
 

Bill wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
On 8/3/18 1:53 PM, Bill wrote:
wrote:
On Fri, 3 Aug 2018 01:18:40 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

Wayne.B wrote:
On Thu, 2 Aug 2018 18:39:12 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

wrote:
On Thu, 02 Aug 2018 13:09:03 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote:

On Thu, 02 Aug 2018 12:41:06 -0400, wrote:

On Thu, 2 Aug 2018 05:04:53 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 8/1/2018 9:50 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 20:46:44 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 13:50:39 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 09:59:06 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Wed, 1 Aug 2018 03:58:05 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:

John H
On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 22:04:39 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:

- show quoted text -
If it won't pass the magnet test, it can't be fired at my local range
(indoors).
.........

I still can?t figure out that ruling.
Sparks.
Sparks? Really? In a place with massive muzzle blasts.
Yes. Really. No reason to **** you.
What are the sparks going to do that a dragons breath of flame 6 feet
long won't do?

As previously mentioned, a spark (as a source of ignition) can be much
hotter than a flame.

It is still unclear what is going to catch on fire.
===

Like you said, probably nothing, but some range folks have seized on
that as a secondary reason. The potential for backstop damage and
ricochet risk are no doubt first and foremost. Also, they can
probably get more for their recycled lead as an additional economic
reason.
I don't even think recycling the lead has anything to do with it
because when they smelt the lead, the steel and copper will float up
to the top to be skimmed off. My bullet making buddy did this all the
time when he was making bullets from scrap lead.
As I said earlier, the design of the trap mitigates ricochets. They
all ricochet into the belly of the trap.
I still say, it is just to protect his investment in the trap.
I know I chipped the 1/2" steel plates in mine when I was shooting
something too "hot" and that was just copper over lead. I am sure the
BiMetal is a bit harder than that.
I do wonder how much sparking you really get tho because that metal is
not really that hard. You can bugger it up quite a bit just grabbing
it with pliers to pull the bullet out. I usually think of sparks with
flint and hardened steel, like as hard as a file.

Russian 9MM BiMetal bullet
http://gfretwell.com/ftp/Tula%209mm%20bullet.jpg

When I got shot in the service was a ricochet from a 38 off the target
frame. Outdoor police range in Novato near the base. Base had a rifle
range.
===

Did you get a Purple Heart or is that just for combat? A friend of
mine got a Purple Heart for what he claims was an accidental
discharge.

I think is only a combat injury. Or combat owie according to Mr. Heinz.
There were stories about guys in Vietnam getting a purple heart for a
C ration can cut.

Mr. Kerry?

I forgot...what did you do in Vietnam during that war?

I stayed in the states assigned to a military airlift wing. MAW. And
fixed airborne radar units from the transports most of the time. Also was
the ILS trained guy, but never had to work on the ground based Instrument
Landing System. Unlike you, going to Vietnam as a high paid contractor.


Thats more Fat Harry BS.

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wrote:
On Fri, 3 Aug 2018 19:31:27 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

Keyser Soze wrote:

I forgot...what did you do in Vietnam during that war?


I stayed in the states assigned to a military airlift wing. MAW. And
fixed airborne radar units from the transports most of the time. Also was
the ILS trained guy, but never had to work on the ground based Instrument
Landing System. Unlike you, going to Vietnam as a high paid contractor.

High paid contractor? I never heard that story. I did try to get IBM
to send me there for a while and the pay was good but they wouldn't do
it. That was probably a good thing because I would have been there for
Tet. I did room with a guy in Chicago who did go through Tet in an IBM
unit in Danang and he said it was ugly.


NCR was looking for an in country rep. My co-worker took the position.
They had NCR 500 computers at each fire base for inventory control. They
did not offer enough money, offered a 50% pay increase and $300 a month
expense money. Don said they had to raise the expense money as the rent
was higher. He probably knew the IBM rep, as it seemed all the reps
rented half a retired VN generals villa. He was there for TET, and the
Saigon attack was on the villa side. The generals wife was happy as they
never lost power at the villa as they installed one of the spare generator
for the NCR systems as backup.