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On 8/1/2018 8:45 PM, John H. wrote:
On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 13:44:26 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 1 Aug 2018 03:58:05 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: John H On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 22:04:39 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: - show quoted text - If it won't pass the magnet test, it can't be fired at my local range (indoors). ......... I still can’t figure out that ruling. They assume steel is tougher on the backstop According to the range folks, they worry about sparks. Same at the range I used to go to, among other issues like backdrop damage. Must be something to it if more than one range is concerned about sparks. |
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On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 21:50:21 -0400, wrote:
On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 20:46:44 -0400, John H. wrote: On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 13:50:39 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 09:59:06 -0400, John H. wrote: On Wed, 1 Aug 2018 03:58:05 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: John H On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 22:04:39 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: - show quoted text - If it won't pass the magnet test, it can't be fired at my local range (indoors). ......... I still can’t figure out that ruling. Sparks. Sparks? Really? In a place with massive muzzle blasts. Yes. Really. No reason to **** you. What are the sparks going to do that a dragons breath of flame 6 feet long won't do? I don't know. Call them and ask. |
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On 8/2/18 4:59 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 8/1/2018 8:32 PM, wrote: On Wed, 1 Aug 2018 14:17:59 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 8/1/2018 1:50 PM, wrote: On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 09:59:06 -0400, John H. wrote: On Wed, 1 Aug 2018 03:58:05 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: John H On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 22:04:39 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: - show quoted text - If it won't pass the magnet test, it can't be fired at my local range (indoors). ......... I still can’t figure out that ruling. Sparks. Sparks? Really? In a place with massive muzzle blasts. The indoor range I described in a previous post that had exhaust fans, etc. was eventually closed due to concern of a spark causing a fire or worse. Again, if you have muzzle blasts going off all day, what in the hell will a spark do? Have you ever shot a gun in the dark? Flame shoots out of the barrel several inches for a .22 rifle and a handgun will shoot a blast of flame worthy of a 4th of July celebration. A short .357 will shoot a dragon's breath of flame 5 feet or more. What do you think is hotter ... a flame from a muzzle blast (or other source) or a spark?Â*Â* Answer might surprise you.Â* A spark has very little mass, so normally little damage from them occur but they can be much hotter in terms of an ignition source than a flame. Damn...I could use my .357 revolver to ignite the charcoal in a charcoal grill...if I had a charcoal grill! Or to light a buddy's cigarette, if I had any buddies dumb enough to be smoking cigarettes! :) |
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On Thursday, August 2, 2018 at 10:14:40 AM UTC-4, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 8/2/18 4:59 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 8/1/2018 8:32 PM, wrote: On Wed, 1 Aug 2018 14:17:59 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 8/1/2018 1:50 PM, wrote: On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 09:59:06 -0400, John H. wrote: On Wed, 1 Aug 2018 03:58:05 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: John H On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 22:04:39 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: - show quoted text - If it won't pass the magnet test, it can't be fired at my local range (indoors). ......... I still can’t figure out that ruling. Sparks. Sparks? Really? In a place with massive muzzle blasts. The indoor range I described in a previous post that had exhaust fans, etc. was eventually closed due to concern of a spark causing a fire or worse. Again, if you have muzzle blasts going off all day, what in the hell will a spark do? Have you ever shot a gun in the dark? Flame shoots out of the barrel several inches for a .22 rifle and a handgun will shoot a blast of flame worthy of a 4th of July celebration. A short .357 will shoot a dragon's breath of flame 5 feet or more. What do you think is hotter ... a flame from a muzzle blast (or other source) or a spark?Â*Â* Answer might surprise you.Â* A spark has very little mass, so normally little damage from them occur but they can be much hotter in terms of an ignition source than a flame. Damn...I could use my .357 revolver to ignite the charcoal in a charcoal grill...if I had a charcoal grill! Or to light a buddy's cigarette, if I had any buddies dumb enough to be smoking cigarettes! :) Why don't you use it to burn off the nose hairs hanging out of your nostrils? You could get your ear hairs while you're at it. :) |
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On Thu, 2 Aug 2018 04:59:21 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote: On 8/1/2018 8:32 PM, wrote: On Wed, 1 Aug 2018 14:17:59 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 8/1/2018 1:50 PM, wrote: On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 09:59:06 -0400, John H. wrote: On Wed, 1 Aug 2018 03:58:05 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: John H On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 22:04:39 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: - show quoted text - If it won't pass the magnet test, it can't be fired at my local range (indoors). ......... I still can’t figure out that ruling. Sparks. Sparks? Really? In a place with massive muzzle blasts. The indoor range I described in a previous post that had exhaust fans, etc. was eventually closed due to concern of a spark causing a fire or worse. Again, if you have muzzle blasts going off all day, what in the hell will a spark do? Have you ever shot a gun in the dark? Flame shoots out of the barrel several inches for a .22 rifle and a handgun will shoot a blast of flame worthy of a 4th of July celebration. A short .357 will shoot a dragon's breath of flame 5 feet or more. What do you think is hotter ... a flame from a muzzle blast (or other source) or a spark? Answer might surprise you. A spark has very little mass, so normally little damage from them occur but they can be much hotter in terms of an ignition source than a flame. A muzzle blast is not just a normal flame. The fuel is a nitro glycerine/nitro cellulose mix that burns at 1600f or higher. I am not sure what they think is going to burn but that will light just about anything that is airborne. I think they are far more worried about damage to their backstop. I also agree, they will assign some value to the scrap brass and when it is contaminated with steel, it becomes less valuable to them. Most ranges say, if the brass hits the ground, it is theirs. Skeet places are the same way about shotgun hulls. They try to say it is "safety" but most people call bull****, particularly when the skeet places sell the fired hulls in bags at the register. |
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On Thu, 2 Aug 2018 05:04:53 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote: On 8/1/2018 9:50 PM, wrote: On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 20:46:44 -0400, John H. wrote: On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 13:50:39 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 09:59:06 -0400, John H. wrote: On Wed, 1 Aug 2018 03:58:05 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: John H On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 22:04:39 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: - show quoted text - If it won't pass the magnet test, it can't be fired at my local range (indoors). ......... I still can’t figure out that ruling. Sparks. Sparks? Really? In a place with massive muzzle blasts. Yes. Really. No reason to **** you. What are the sparks going to do that a dragons breath of flame 6 feet long won't do? As previously mentioned, a spark (as a source of ignition) can be much hotter than a flame. It is still unclear what is going to catch on fire. |
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On Thu, 2 Aug 2018 10:14:37 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 8/2/18 4:59 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote: On 8/1/2018 8:32 PM, wrote: On Wed, 1 Aug 2018 14:17:59 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 8/1/2018 1:50 PM, wrote: On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 09:59:06 -0400, John H. wrote: On Wed, 1 Aug 2018 03:58:05 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: John H On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 22:04:39 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: - show quoted text - If it won't pass the magnet test, it can't be fired at my local range (indoors). ......... I still can’t figure out that ruling. Sparks. Sparks? Really? In a place with massive muzzle blasts. The indoor range I described in a previous post that had exhaust fans, etc. was eventually closed due to concern of a spark causing a fire or worse. Again, if you have muzzle blasts going off all day, what in the hell will a spark do? Have you ever shot a gun in the dark? Flame shoots out of the barrel several inches for a .22 rifle and a handgun will shoot a blast of flame worthy of a 4th of July celebration. A short .357 will shoot a dragon's breath of flame 5 feet or more. What do you think is hotter ... a flame from a muzzle blast (or other source) or a spark?Â*Â* Answer might surprise you.Â* A spark has very little mass, so normally little damage from them occur but they can be much hotter in terms of an ignition source than a flame. Damn...I could use my .357 revolver to ignite the charcoal in a charcoal grill...if I had a charcoal grill! Or to light a buddy's cigarette, if I had any buddies dumb enough to be smoking cigarettes! :) That is actually a survival tip. You can start a fire with a muzzle blast but they recommend removing the bullet. |
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On Thu, 02 Aug 2018 12:41:06 -0400, wrote:
On Thu, 2 Aug 2018 05:04:53 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 8/1/2018 9:50 PM, wrote: On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 20:46:44 -0400, John H. wrote: On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 13:50:39 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 09:59:06 -0400, John H. wrote: On Wed, 1 Aug 2018 03:58:05 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: John H On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 22:04:39 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: - show quoted text - If it won't pass the magnet test, it can't be fired at my local range (indoors). ......... I still can’t figure out that ruling. Sparks. Sparks? Really? In a place with massive muzzle blasts. Yes. Really. No reason to **** you. What are the sparks going to do that a dragons breath of flame 6 feet long won't do? As previously mentioned, a spark (as a source of ignition) can be much hotter than a flame. It is still unclear what is going to catch on fire. === Like you said, probably nothing, but some range folks have seized on that as a secondary reason. The potential for backstop damage and ricochet risk are no doubt first and foremost. Also, they can probably get more for their recycled lead as an additional economic reason. |
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On Thu, 02 Aug 2018 13:09:03 -0400, Wayne.B
wrote: On Thu, 02 Aug 2018 12:41:06 -0400, wrote: On Thu, 2 Aug 2018 05:04:53 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 8/1/2018 9:50 PM, wrote: On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 20:46:44 -0400, John H. wrote: On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 13:50:39 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 09:59:06 -0400, John H. wrote: On Wed, 1 Aug 2018 03:58:05 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote: John H On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 22:04:39 -0400, Wayne.B wrote: - show quoted text - If it won't pass the magnet test, it can't be fired at my local range (indoors). ......... I still can’t figure out that ruling. Sparks. Sparks? Really? In a place with massive muzzle blasts. Yes. Really. No reason to **** you. What are the sparks going to do that a dragons breath of flame 6 feet long won't do? As previously mentioned, a spark (as a source of ignition) can be much hotter than a flame. It is still unclear what is going to catch on fire. === Like you said, probably nothing, but some range folks have seized on that as a secondary reason. The potential for backstop damage and ricochet risk are no doubt first and foremost. Also, they can probably get more for their recycled lead as an additional economic reason. I don't even think recycling the lead has anything to do with it because when they smelt the lead, the steel and copper will float up to the top to be skimmed off. My bullet making buddy did this all the time when he was making bullets from scrap lead. As I said earlier, the design of the trap mitigates ricochets. They all ricochet into the belly of the trap. I still say, it is just to protect his investment in the trap. I know I chipped the 1/2" steel plates in mine when I was shooting something too "hot" and that was just copper over lead. I am sure the BiMetal is a bit harder than that. I do wonder how much sparking you really get tho because that metal is not really that hard. You can bugger it up quite a bit just grabbing it with pliers to pull the bullet out. I usually think of sparks with flint and hardened steel, like as hard as a file. Russian 9MM BiMetal bullet http://gfretwell.com/ftp/Tula%209mm%20bullet.jpg |
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