On Wed, 1 Aug 2018 14:16:38 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 8/1/2018 1:49 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 1 Aug 2018 08:48:42 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 8/1/18 6:58 AM, Tim wrote:
John H
On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 22:04:39 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:

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If it won't pass the magnet test, it can't be fired at my local range (indoors).
.........

I still can’t figure out that ruling.



I've read that steel ammo is banned because:

1. It penetrates backstops and does more damage to them.

2. It tends to ricochet more than brass ammo.

3. It sparks when it strikes objects and those sparks in an
gunpowder-laden atmosphere might cause a flash fire.

I don't know how true any of these reasons are...they're just the ones I
seen in web articles.

I don't like steel ammo or casings...they tend to be harder on firearm
actions and barrels than brass casings and lead ammo.

The only one that really makes sense is the damage to the backstop.



I don't know. The range I used to belong to banned them in the indoor
range as well. They had an elaborate, noisy, heavy duty exhaust system
in the room that had to be on whenever anyone
was shooting to get rid of the gun smoke and vapors. The indoor range
was electronically monitored with sensors as well that would sound an
alarm if residual levels rose above a certain amount. I was told that
the potential of sparks from steel jacketed ammo was the major concern.

Roger that.

On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 13:50:39 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 09:59:06 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Wed, 1 Aug 2018 03:58:05 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:

John H
On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 22:04:39 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:

- show quoted text -
If it won't pass the magnet test, it can't be fired at my local range (indoors).
.........

I still can’t figure out that ruling.

Sparks.

Sparks? Really? In a place with massive muzzle blasts.

Yes. Really. No reason to **** you.

On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 20:32:59 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 1 Aug 2018 14:17:59 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 8/1/2018 1:50 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 09:59:06 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Wed, 1 Aug 2018 03:58:05 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:

John H
On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 22:04:39 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:

- show quoted text -
If it won't pass the magnet test, it can't be fired at my local range (indoors).
.........

I still can’t figure out that ruling.

Sparks.

Sparks? Really? In a place with massive muzzle blasts.



The indoor range I described in a previous post that had exhaust fans,
etc. was eventually closed due to concern of a spark causing a fire or
worse.

Again, if you have muzzle blasts going off all day, what in the hell
will a spark do? Have you ever shot a gun in the dark? Flame shoots
out of the barrel several inches for a .22 rifle and a handgun will
shoot a blast of flame worthy of a 4th of July celebration. A short
.357 will shoot a dragon's breath of flame 5 feet or more.



Call 'em. Maybe they were bull****ting me.

http://sharpshootersva.com/

On Wednesday, August 1, 2018 at 8:33:04 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Wed, 1 Aug 2018 14:17:59 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 8/1/2018 1:50 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 09:59:06 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Wed, 1 Aug 2018 03:58:05 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:

John H
On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 22:04:39 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:

- show quoted text -
If it won't pass the magnet test, it can't be fired at my local range (indoors).
.........

I still can’t figure out that ruling.

Sparks.

Sparks? Really? In a place with massive muzzle blasts.



The indoor range I described in a previous post that had exhaust fans,
etc. was eventually closed due to concern of a spark causing a fire or
worse.

Again, if you have muzzle blasts going off all day, what in the hell
will a spark do? Have you ever shot a gun in the dark? Flame shoots
out of the barrel several inches for a .22 rifle and a handgun will
shoot a blast of flame worthy of a 4th of July celebration. A short
.357 will shoot a dragon's breath of flame 5 feet or more.

I have a Ruger Blackhawk in .30 carbine. Fireball is an apt descriptor.

On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 20:46:44 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 13:50:39 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 09:59:06 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Wed, 1 Aug 2018 03:58:05 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:

John H
On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 22:04:39 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:

- show quoted text -
If it won't pass the magnet test, it can't be fired at my local range (indoors).
.........

I still can’t figure out that ruling.

Sparks.

Sparks? Really? In a place with massive muzzle blasts.

Yes. Really. No reason to **** you.

What are the sparks going to do that a dragons breath of flame 6 feet
long won't do?

On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 20:49:13 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 20:32:59 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 1 Aug 2018 14:17:59 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 8/1/2018 1:50 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 09:59:06 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Wed, 1 Aug 2018 03:58:05 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:

John H
On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 22:04:39 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:

- show quoted text -
If it won't pass the magnet test, it can't be fired at my local range (indoors).
.........

I still can’t figure out that ruling.

Sparks.

Sparks? Really? In a place with massive muzzle blasts.



The indoor range I described in a previous post that had exhaust fans,
etc. was eventually closed due to concern of a spark causing a fire or
worse.

Again, if you have muzzle blasts going off all day, what in the hell
will a spark do? Have you ever shot a gun in the dark? Flame shoots
out of the barrel several inches for a .22 rifle and a handgun will
shoot a blast of flame worthy of a 4th of July celebration. A short
.357 will shoot a dragon's breath of flame 5 feet or more.



Call 'em. Maybe they were bull****ting me.

http://sharpshootersva.com/

Maybe. Don't let logic get in the way of prejudice.
There are still people who think a cell phone will burn down a gas
station.

Its Me wrote:
On Wednesday, August 1, 2018 at 8:33:04 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Wed, 1 Aug 2018 14:17:59 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 8/1/2018 1:50 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 09:59:06 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Wed, 1 Aug 2018 03:58:05 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:

John H
On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 22:04:39 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:

- show quoted text -
If it won't pass the magnet test, it can't be fired at my local range (indoors).
.........

I still can’t figure out that ruling.

Sparks.

Sparks? Really? In a place with massive muzzle blasts.



The indoor range I described in a previous post that had exhaust fans,
etc. was eventually closed due to concern of a spark causing a fire or
worse.

Again, if you have muzzle blasts going off all day, what in the hell
will a spark do? Have you ever shot a gun in the dark? Flame shoots
out of the barrel several inches for a .22 rifle and a handgun will
shoot a blast of flame worthy of a 4th of July celebration. A short
.357 will shoot a dragon's breath of flame 5 feet or more.

I have a Ruger Blackhawk in .30 carbine. Fireball is an apt descriptor.


Only pistol I ever traded. My dad said, if you missed, the animal would
still be cooked. Friend wanted it, so I traded for a Colt Lawman 357.

wrote:
On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 20:46:44 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 13:50:39 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 09:59:06 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Wed, 1 Aug 2018 03:58:05 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:

John H
On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 22:04:39 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:

- show quoted text -
If it won't pass the magnet test, it can't be fired at my local range (indoors).
.........

I still can’t figure out that ruling.

Sparks.

Sparks? Really? In a place with massive muzzle blasts.

Yes. Really. No reason to **** you.

What are the sparks going to do that a dragons breath of flame 6 feet
long won't do?


Probably ricochet more. And not recyclable much.

On Thu, 2 Aug 2018 02:25:14 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

wrote:
On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 20:46:44 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 13:50:39 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 09:59:06 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Wed, 1 Aug 2018 03:58:05 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:

John H
On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 22:04:39 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:

- show quoted text -
If it won't pass the magnet test, it can't be fired at my local range (indoors).
.........

I still can’t figure out that ruling.

Sparks.

Sparks? Really? In a place with massive muzzle blasts.

Yes. Really. No reason to **** you.

What are the sparks going to do that a dragons breath of flame 6 feet
long won't do?


Probably ricochet more. And not recyclable much.

If the backstop is properly angled, it is always going to be a
ricochet. but it will bounce into the trap.;-)
I ended up learning a lot about what bullets do when they hit steel.
The first thing to understand is all FMJs explode on impact with
steel. Pistol bullets with gas checks are the worst. That gas check
may go back toward the shooter 10-15 feet. That is the other reason
why I always shot through cardboard. The lead tends to hit and slide.
Most of what I shot in the basement was cast lead. (.22 or .38
wadcutter).Just about the only time I shot anything jacketed was when
I was chronographing a load I was working up.

On 8/1/2018 8:32 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 1 Aug 2018 14:17:59 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 8/1/2018 1:50 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 01 Aug 2018 09:59:06 -0400, John H.
wrote:

On Wed, 1 Aug 2018 03:58:05 -0700 (PDT), Tim wrote:

John H
On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 22:04:39 -0400, Wayne.B wrote:

- show quoted text -
If it won't pass the magnet test, it can't be fired at my local range (indoors).
.........

I still can’t figure out that ruling.

Sparks.

Sparks? Really? In a place with massive muzzle blasts.



The indoor range I described in a previous post that had exhaust fans,
etc. was eventually closed due to concern of a spark causing a fire or
worse.

Again, if you have muzzle blasts going off all day, what in the hell
will a spark do? Have you ever shot a gun in the dark? Flame shoots
out of the barrel several inches for a .22 rifle and a handgun will
shoot a blast of flame worthy of a 4th of July celebration. A short
.357 will shoot a dragon's breath of flame 5 feet or more.




What do you think is hotter ... a flame from a muzzle blast (or other
source) or a spark? Answer might surprise you. A spark has very
little mass, so normally little damage from them occur but they can
be much hotter in terms of an ignition source than a flame.