On 5/24/18 2:38 PM, justan wrote:
Wrote in message:
On Thu, 24 May 2018 09:08:55 -0700 (PDT), Its Me
wrote:

On Thursday, May 24, 2018 at 12:01:54 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Thu, 24 May 2018 08:10:54 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

Actually, you don't know **** about advertising or marketing, but you
think you do. I wouldn't know about the taste or ingredient similarities
between Busch and Bud, as the three beers I might drink each summer
aren't these brands. I still have two Coronas left over from last
summer. I use Corona as the liquid base in which to steam hot dogs and
sauerkraut.

Let me get this right, You say I don't know **** then you admit you
don't know anything about the examples I cited.
I understand advertising is a good living for those in it but that
cost gets added to the price of the products they promote.

He may know how to advertise something, but he's demonstrated he doesn't understand how to run a successful business, so he doesn't understand where those advertising dollars come from. (Hint: straight off the bottom line)

One thing is for sure... he doesn't have a clue about beer. Corona? **** water.

Mexicans make fun of Corona as being a hyped up beer they wouldn't
water their garden with.
When you want to buy a Mexican a beer, get him a Modelo.


Mexicans are known for having creative uses for urine. You're
taking your chances drinking Mexican beer.


How many golden showers were you the recipient of while you did nothing
in the naveee?

On 5/24/18 2:39 PM, justan wrote:
Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 5/24/18 12:01 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 24 May 2018 08:10:54 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 5/24/18 2:10 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 23 May 2018 17:42:24 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 5/23/18 5:08 PM, Bill wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
On 5/23/18 1:51 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 23 May 2018 13:31:24 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 5/23/18 1:22 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 23 May 2018 11:37:18 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 5/23/18 10:40 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 23 May 2018 08:38:14 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 5/23/18 6:56 AM, Tim wrote:

May
- show quoted text -
Can you blame them. Free stuff is hard to resist.

....

And when you rob Peter to pay Paul, you?ll always have Paul?s support.


The 1% are robbing this country of everything.

They are usually providing a service that people eagerly flock to.


And you probably believe that ****, too.

You don't think people want to buy things from Amazon (Bezos), run
Windows PCs (Gates) , yack on Facebook (Zuckerberg) and look **** up
on Google (Page/Brin)? Those are 5 of the 6 richest guys in the US.
Buffett (#3) is just smart enough to get his money out in front of
what people want and cash in on it.


Amazon sells a huge variety of stuff, typically at lower prices than can
be easily found elsewhere, and delivers to your door. Microsoft sells
software for which there are many competing products. Zuckerberg gives
his flagship product away and hopefully properly address FB's security
and privacy issues. There are many competitors for google, and the apps
are given away. That advertisers pay to be on most of these products is
the price one pays for them, the same way one pays for commercial TV and
radio.

Free TV ends up costing the consumer more each year
than pay TV, just in the price they pay for everything advertised on
that TV.


No one forces watchers of commercial TV to buy anything.


But those watchers of commercial TV buy products. And those products pass
along the costs of the company to operate. So who pays the $million bucks
for s Super Bowl advert? Who paid for your salary when you worked for an
Ad agency?


Advertising creates and sustains demand for products and services. How
enlightening of you to admit that. The owners of the agencies I worked
for paid my salary.

Actually advertising creates demand for a higher priced product that
is usually no better than the unadvertised product. It is just about
branding and hype.
That is why Budweiser costs more than Busch but there is actually an
imperceptible difference between them and certainly not two or three
bucks a 12 pack difference in production cost.


Actually, you don't know **** about advertising or marketing, but you
think you do. I wouldn't know about the taste or ingredient similarities
between Busch and Bud, as the three beers I might drink each summer
aren't these brands. I still have two Coronas left over from last
summer. I use Corona as the liquid base in which to steam hot dogs and
sauerkraut.

Let me get this right, You say I don't know **** then you admit you
don't know anything about the examples I cited.
I understand advertising is a good living for those in it but that
cost gets added to the price of the products they promote.


I've seen Bud and Busch TV and print ads, but I'm not much of a beer
drinker. I know, however, that beer is a consumer product and the brands
have many competitors. So, it is not unlike many other consumer
products. My comment about your lack of knowledge of marketing and
advertising stands.


Your expertice comes from your gig as a jingle writer?


I never had a "gig" as a jingle writer. I got to write and produce some
jingles when I worked for a AAAA ad agency.

John H
- show quoted text -
It's funny, the Dutch feel the same way about Heineken. They say it's brewed for Americans
........
It is. It’s all watered down. 7% alcohol here, 40% there...

On 5/24/18 3:46 PM, Tim wrote:
John H
- show quoted text -
It's funny, the Dutch feel the same way about Heineken. They say it's brewed for Americans
.......
It is. It’s all watered down. 7% alcohol here, 40% there...



Unlikely.

On 5/24/2018 3:46 PM, Tim wrote:

John H
- show quoted text -
It's funny, the Dutch feel the same way about Heineken. They say it's brewed for Americans
.......
It is. It’s all watered down. 7% alcohol here, 40% there...


Seriously? Sam Adams "Utopias," had the record for alcohol content
here in the USA, at least a few years ago and it's only 27%. It's not
really a beer though. More like a liqueur.

I've had two bottles of it given as gifts. Drank the first one over
time with friends. Still have the second one ... unopened.

http://luxurylaunches.com/other_stuff/sam_adams_ultra_strong_utopias_is_the_worlds_most_ expensive_beer.php

Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 5/24/18 2:39 PM, justan wrote:
Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 5/24/18 12:01 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 24 May 2018 08:10:54 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 5/24/18 2:10 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 23 May 2018 17:42:24 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 5/23/18 5:08 PM, Bill wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
On 5/23/18 1:51 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 23 May 2018 13:31:24 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 5/23/18 1:22 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 23 May 2018 11:37:18 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 5/23/18 10:40 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 23 May 2018 08:38:14 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 5/23/18 6:56 AM, Tim wrote:

May
- show quoted text -
Can you blame them. Free stuff is hard to resist.

....

And when you rob Peter to pay Paul, you?ll always have Paul?s support.


The 1% are robbing this country of everything.

They are usually providing a service that people eagerly flock to.


And you probably believe that ****, too.

You don't think people want to buy things from Amazon (Bezos), run
Windows PCs (Gates) , yack on Facebook (Zuckerberg) and look **** up
on Google (Page/Brin)? Those are 5 of the 6 richest guys in the US.
Buffett (#3) is just smart enough to get his money out in front of
what people want and cash in on it.


Amazon sells a huge variety of stuff, typically at lower prices than can
be easily found elsewhere, and delivers to your door. Microsoft sells
software for which there are many competing products. Zuckerberg gives
his flagship product away and hopefully properly address FB's security
and privacy issues. There are many competitors for google, and the apps
are given away. That advertisers pay to be on most of these products is
the price one pays for them, the same way one pays for commercial TV and
radio.

Free TV ends up costing the consumer more each year
than pay TV, just in the price they pay for everything advertised on
that TV.


No one forces watchers of commercial TV to buy anything.


But those watchers of commercial TV buy products. And those products pass
along the costs of the company to operate. So who pays the $million bucks
for s Super Bowl advert? Who paid for your salary when you worked for an
Ad agency?


Advertising creates and sustains demand for products and services. How
enlightening of you to admit that. The owners of the agencies I worked
for paid my salary.

Actually advertising creates demand for a higher priced product that
is usually no better than the unadvertised product. It is just about
branding and hype.
That is why Budweiser costs more than Busch but there is actually an
imperceptible difference between them and certainly not two or three
bucks a 12 pack difference in production cost.


Actually, you don't know **** about advertising or marketing, but you
think you do. I wouldn't know about the taste or ingredient similarities
between Busch and Bud, as the three beers I might drink each summer
aren't these brands. I still have two Coronas left over from last
summer. I use Corona as the liquid base in which to steam hot dogs and
sauerkraut.

Let me get this right, You say I don't know **** then you admit you
don't know anything about the examples I cited.
I understand advertising is a good living for those in it but that
cost gets added to the price of the products they promote.


I've seen Bud and Busch TV and print ads, but I'm not much of a beer
drinker. I know, however, that beer is a consumer product and the brands
have many competitors. So, it is not unlike many other consumer
products. My comment about your lack of knowledge of marketing and
advertising stands.


Your expertice comes from your gig as a jingle writer?


I never had a "gig" as a jingle writer. I got to write and produce some
jingles when I worked for a AAAA ad agency.


The ad poeple I know in Chi and NY never heard of you.
--
x

On 5/24/2018 3:57 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 5/24/18 3:46 PM, Tim wrote:
John H
- show quoted text -
It's funny, the Dutch feel the same way about Heineken. They say it's
brewed for Americans
.......
It is. It’s all watered down. 7% alcohol here, 40% there...



Unlikely.


Could be but not likely Heinekens. The record in Europe for
alcohol content in beer is "Snake Vemon", a Scottish brew
with an alcohol content of 67.5 percent.

On 5/24/18 4:17 PM, justan wrote:
Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 5/24/18 2:39 PM, justan wrote:
Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 5/24/18 12:01 PM, wrote:
On Thu, 24 May 2018 08:10:54 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 5/24/18 2:10 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 23 May 2018 17:42:24 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 5/23/18 5:08 PM, Bill wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote:
On 5/23/18 1:51 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 23 May 2018 13:31:24 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 5/23/18 1:22 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 23 May 2018 11:37:18 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 5/23/18 10:40 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 23 May 2018 08:38:14 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 5/23/18 6:56 AM, Tim wrote:

May
- show quoted text -
Can you blame them. Free stuff is hard to resist.

....

And when you rob Peter to pay Paul, you?ll always have Paul?s support.


The 1% are robbing this country of everything.

They are usually providing a service that people eagerly flock to.


And you probably believe that ****, too.

You don't think people want to buy things from Amazon (Bezos), run
Windows PCs (Gates) , yack on Facebook (Zuckerberg) and look **** up
on Google (Page/Brin)? Those are 5 of the 6 richest guys in the US.
Buffett (#3) is just smart enough to get his money out in front of
what people want and cash in on it.


Amazon sells a huge variety of stuff, typically at lower prices than can
be easily found elsewhere, and delivers to your door. Microsoft sells
software for which there are many competing products. Zuckerberg gives
his flagship product away and hopefully properly address FB's security
and privacy issues. There are many competitors for google, and the apps
are given away. That advertisers pay to be on most of these products is
the price one pays for them, the same way one pays for commercial TV and
radio.

Free TV ends up costing the consumer more each year
than pay TV, just in the price they pay for everything advertised on
that TV.


No one forces watchers of commercial TV to buy anything.


But those watchers of commercial TV buy products. And those products pass
along the costs of the company to operate. So who pays the $million bucks
for s Super Bowl advert? Who paid for your salary when you worked for an
Ad agency?


Advertising creates and sustains demand for products and services. How
enlightening of you to admit that. The owners of the agencies I worked
for paid my salary.

Actually advertising creates demand for a higher priced product that
is usually no better than the unadvertised product. It is just about
branding and hype.
That is why Budweiser costs more than Busch but there is actually an
imperceptible difference between them and certainly not two or three
bucks a 12 pack difference in production cost.


Actually, you don't know **** about advertising or marketing, but you
think you do. I wouldn't know about the taste or ingredient similarities
between Busch and Bud, as the three beers I might drink each summer
aren't these brands. I still have two Coronas left over from last
summer. I use Corona as the liquid base in which to steam hot dogs and
sauerkraut.

Let me get this right, You say I don't know **** then you admit you
don't know anything about the examples I cited.
I understand advertising is a good living for those in it but that
cost gets added to the price of the products they promote.


I've seen Bud and Busch TV and print ads, but I'm not much of a beer
drinker. I know, however, that beer is a consumer product and the brands
have many competitors. So, it is not unlike many other consumer
products. My comment about your lack of knowledge of marketing and
advertising stands.


Your expertice comes from your gig as a jingle writer?


I never had a "gig" as a jingle writer. I got to write and produce some
jingles when I worked for a AAAA ad agency.


The ad poeple I know in Chi and NY never heard of you.


The ad people you know in Chicago and NYC? Who would those be, the gals
who walk around wearing sandwich boards? If you only had reading skills,
you could have turned down this babe while you were sleeping through
your Naveeee tour of duty:

https://flic.kr/p/27qk4RA

By the way, I never worked in Chicago or New York City as an ad person.

Keyser Soze
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On 5/24/18 3:46 PM, Tim wrote:
John H
- show quoted text -
It's funny, the Dutch feel the same way about Heineken. They say it's brewed for Americans
.......
It is. It’s all watered down. 7% alcohol here, 40% there...



Unlikely.

.......


Unlikely, what? In Missouri it’s watered down even more to a level if 3.2%

On Thu, 24 May 2018 12:46:10 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

John H
- show quoted text -
It's funny, the Dutch feel the same way about Heineken. They say it's brewed for Americans
.......
It is. It’s all watered down. 7% alcohol here, 40% there...

40%? Not really, That is "80 proof whiskey"
The ABV on dutch beer seems to go from the US standard of 4-6% up to
as much as 15% but 10-12% seems to be the norm.
https://www.beeradvocate.com/lists/nl/
Yeast pretty much stops working at 10-12 % so they must be spiking the
beer or using some genetically modified yeast to get to 15%.

Here is a pretty good list of US beers
http://www.efficientdrinker.com/beer/

If you want more alcohol you need to buy malt liquor, really just the
legal term for a malt beverage that is higher than some state limits
for beer but some of these are really mixed drinks. (Grain alcohol,
water and flavoring). Malt beverage is a catch all for something that
is not wine and not distilled liquor.