On Sat, 31 Mar 2018 09:50:35 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 3/31/18 9:05 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

Just been reading the various reviews on the 2018 Lincoln Navigator.

Ford pulled out all the stops and has blown the competition including
theÂ* Cadillac Escalade and Infiniti QX80Â* away with this one.

3.5L twin turbo, 450hp, over 500 lb ft of torque, 10 speed transmission,
Â*6 adaptive performance settings, premier seating for all and an
interior fit and finish that is superior to any of it's competition.

Quite a price tag though.Â* Starts at $76K.Â* $96K typical.

Mrs.E. loves Navigators.Â* She has had three of them in the past.
Gotta keep her away from this one.





Heheh...what does that barge weigh, three tons?, and with a 3.5 liter
engine, the same size as in my little truck and a Toyota with V6? With
twin turbos? Not an engine that is going to last long, pushing an
aircraft carrier.

It does 0-60 in a little over 6 seconds. That doesn't seem to be
underpowered. I doubt Mrs E will keep it long enough to wear out the
engine.

On 31 Mar 2018 17:52:42 GMT, Keyser Soze wrote:

wrote:
On Sat, 31 Mar 2018 09:50:35 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 3/31/18 9:05 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

Just been reading the various reviews on the 2018 Lincoln Navigator.

Ford pulled out all the stops and has blown the competition including
the* Cadillac Escalade and Infiniti QX80* away with this one.

3.5L twin turbo, 450hp, over 500 lb ft of torque, 10 speed transmission,
*6 adaptive performance settings, premier seating for all and an
interior fit and finish that is superior to any of it's competition.

Quite a price tag though.* Starts at $76K.* $96K typical.

Mrs.E. loves Navigators.* She has had three of them in the past.
Gotta keep her away from this one.





Heheh...what does that barge weigh, three tons?, and with a 3.5 liter
engine, the same size as in my little truck and a Toyota with V6? With
twin turbos? Not an engine that is going to last long, pushing an
aircraft carrier.

It does 0-60 in a little over 6 seconds. That doesn't seem to be
underpowered. I doubt Mrs E will keep it long enough to wear out the
engine.


I wasn’t questioning the horsepower output, but the wisdom of powering a
three ton car with a small engine.


Guess what, Krause - you're not qualified to question the wisdom.

On 3/31/2018 1:52 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
wrote:
On Sat, 31 Mar 2018 09:50:35 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 3/31/18 9:05 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

Just been reading the various reviews on the 2018 Lincoln Navigator.

Ford pulled out all the stops and has blown the competition including
theÂ* Cadillac Escalade and Infiniti QX80Â* away with this one.

3.5L twin turbo, 450hp, over 500 lb ft of torque, 10 speed transmission,
Â*6 adaptive performance settings, premier seating for all and an
interior fit and finish that is superior to any of it's competition.

Quite a price tag though.Â* Starts at $76K.Â* $96K typical.

Mrs.E. loves Navigators.Â* She has had three of them in the past.
Gotta keep her away from this one.





Heheh...what does that barge weigh, three tons?, and with a 3.5 liter
engine, the same size as in my little truck and a Toyota with V6? With
twin turbos? Not an engine that is going to last long, pushing an
aircraft carrier.

It does 0-60 in a little over 6 seconds. That doesn't seem to be
underpowered. I doubt Mrs E will keep it long enough to wear out the
engine.


I wasn’t questioning the horsepower output, but the wisdom of powering a
three ton car with a small engine.


I don't know enough about cars to comment intelligently however I don't
think today's engines suffer from the "worn out" issues of those of the
past. Geared properly (10 speed transmission) I don't think the
Navigator V6 is working much harder than the V6 in my Canyon that has an
eight speed transmission or the V6 in your Tacoma. The twin turbo makes
it more complex for sure but modern turbos have a decent reputation for
longevity. Lots of cars and trucks have them.

In the old days the main reason an engine "wore out" (except for a
catastrophic failure) was due to worn rings, cylinders and valves.
Their condition was manifested by burning oil, leaving blue clouds of
smoke and running rough with a cylinder or two missing due to lack of
compression. You don't see that much anymore due to advances in
material sciences and hard coatings on the cylinder walls, rings and
valves. Lots of cars and trucks are used daily now-a-days with 150K to
200K miles on them and they don't burn any oil.

On 3/31/18 5:46 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 3/31/2018 1:52 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
wrote:
On Sat, 31 Mar 2018 09:50:35 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 3/31/18 9:05 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

Just been reading the various reviews on the 2018 Lincoln Navigator.

Ford pulled out all the stops and has blown the competition including
theÂ* Cadillac Escalade and Infiniti QX80Â* away with this one.

3.5L twin turbo, 450hp, over 500 lb ft of torque, 10 speed
transmission,
Â*Â*6 adaptive performance settings, premier seating for all and an
interior fit and finish that is superior to any of it's competition.

Quite a price tag though.Â* Starts at $76K.Â* $96K typical.

Mrs.E. loves Navigators.Â* She has had three of them in the past.
Gotta keep her away from this one.





Heheh...what does that barge weigh, three tons?, and with a 3.5 liter
engine, the same size as in my little truck and a Toyota with V6? With
twin turbos? Not an engine that is going to last long, pushing an
aircraft carrier.

It does 0-60 in a little over 6 seconds. That doesn't seem to be
underpowered. I doubt Mrs E will keep it long enough to wear out the
engine.


I wasn’t questioning the horsepower output, but the wisdom of powering a
three ton car with a small engine.


I don't know enough about cars to comment intelligently however I don't
think today's engines suffer from the "worn out" issues of those of the
past.Â* Geared properly (10 speed transmission)Â* I don't think the
Navigator V6 is working much harder than the V6 in my Canyon that has an
eight speed transmission or the V6 in your Tacoma.Â* The twin turbo makes
it more complex for sure but modern turbos have a decent reputation for
longevity. Lots of cars and trucks have them.

In the old days the main reason an engine "wore out" (except for a
catastrophic failure) was due to worn rings, cylinders and valves.
Their condition was manifested by burning oil, leaving blue clouds of
smoke and running rough with a cylinder or two missing due to lack of
compression.Â* You don't see that much anymore due to advances in
material sciences and hard coatings on the cylinder walls, rings and
valves.Â* Lots of cars and trucks are used daily now-a-days with 150K to
200K miles on them and they don't burn any oil.





You probably are right. Pretty soon we'll be seeing one liter engines
zipping "funny cars" down the dragstrip!

Keyser Soze wrote:
On 3/31/18 5:46 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 3/31/2018 1:52 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
wrote:
On Sat, 31 Mar 2018 09:50:35 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 3/31/18 9:05 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

Just been reading the various reviews on the 2018 Lincoln Navigator.

Ford pulled out all the stops and has blown the competition
including
the Cadillac Escalade and Infiniti QX80 away with this one.

3.5L twin turbo, 450hp, over 500 lb ft of torque, 10 speed
transmission,
6 adaptive performance settings, premier seating for all and an
interior fit and finish that is superior to any of it's competition.

Quite a price tag though. Starts at $76K. $96K typical.

Mrs.E. loves Navigators. She has had three of them in the past.
Gotta keep her away from this one.





Heheh...what does that barge weigh, three tons?, and with a 3.5 liter
engine, the same size as in my little truck and a Toyota with V6?
With
twin turbos? Not an engine that is going to last long, pushing an
aircraft carrier.

It does 0-60 in a little over 6 seconds. That doesn't seem to be
underpowered. I doubt Mrs E will keep it long enough to wear out the
engine.


I wasn’t questioning the horsepower output, but the wisdom of
powering a
three ton car with a small engine.


I don't know enough about cars to comment intelligently however I
don't think today's engines suffer from the "worn out" issues of
those of the past. Geared properly (10 speed transmission) I don't
think the Navigator V6 is working much harder than the V6 in my
Canyon that has an
eight speed transmission or the V6 in your Tacoma. The twin turbo
makes it more complex for sure but modern turbos have a decent
reputation for longevity. Lots of cars and trucks have them.

In the old days the main reason an engine "wore out" (except for a
catastrophic failure) was due to worn rings, cylinders and valves.
Their condition was manifested by burning oil, leaving blue clouds of
smoke and running rough with a cylinder or two missing due to lack of
compression. You don't see that much anymore due to advances in
material sciences and hard coatings on the cylinder walls, rings and
valves. Lots of cars and trucks are used daily now-a-days with 150K
to 200K miles on them and they don't burn any oil.





You probably are right. Pretty soon we'll be seeing one liter engines
zipping "funny cars" down the dragstrip!

Indy cars have 2.2L engines pushing 600+ HP.

On Sat, 31 Mar 2018 17:54:49 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

You probably are right. Pretty soon we'll be seeing one liter engines
zipping "funny cars" down the dragstrip!

They are getting a 3 ton truck up to 60 in 6 seconds with a 213 Cu/In
engine. In the 80s that would have taken a high performance 350 or
400. It would have been a 427 in the 60s.
Engines have come a long way.

On Sat, 31 Mar 2018 17:46:37 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 3/31/2018 1:52 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
wrote:
On Sat, 31 Mar 2018 09:50:35 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 3/31/18 9:05 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

Just been reading the various reviews on the 2018 Lincoln Navigator.

Ford pulled out all the stops and has blown the competition including
theÂ* Cadillac Escalade and Infiniti QX80Â* away with this one.

3.5L twin turbo, 450hp, over 500 lb ft of torque, 10 speed transmission,
Â*6 adaptive performance settings, premier seating for all and an
interior fit and finish that is superior to any of it's competition.

Quite a price tag though.Â* Starts at $76K.Â* $96K typical.

Mrs.E. loves Navigators.Â* She has had three of them in the past.
Gotta keep her away from this one.





Heheh...what does that barge weigh, three tons?, and with a 3.5 liter
engine, the same size as in my little truck and a Toyota with V6? With
twin turbos? Not an engine that is going to last long, pushing an
aircraft carrier.

It does 0-60 in a little over 6 seconds. That doesn't seem to be
underpowered. I doubt Mrs E will keep it long enough to wear out the
engine.


I wasn’t questioning the horsepower output, but the wisdom of powering a
three ton car with a small engine.


I don't know enough about cars to comment intelligently however I don't
think today's engines suffer from the "worn out" issues of those of the
past. Geared properly (10 speed transmission) I don't think the
Navigator V6 is working much harder than the V6 in my Canyon that has an
eight speed transmission or the V6 in your Tacoma. The twin turbo makes
it more complex for sure but modern turbos have a decent reputation for
longevity. Lots of cars and trucks have them.

In the old days the main reason an engine "wore out" (except for a
catastrophic failure) was due to worn rings, cylinders and valves.
Their condition was manifested by burning oil, leaving blue clouds of
smoke and running rough with a cylinder or two missing due to lack of
compression. You don't see that much anymore due to advances in
material sciences and hard coatings on the cylinder walls, rings and
valves. Lots of cars and trucks are used daily now-a-days with 150K to
200K miles on them and they don't burn any oil.


My 97 Honda Prelude says it has 101k or so on it but I know the speedo
was tricked up so I am betting 160-170. I missed one 10,000 bump
because the ice pick job screwed up the pawl that flips it over. Then
it started working. (I may have missed two)
This thing has been run hard the whole time, It cruises at close to
4000 PM on the interstate and I wind it up pretty tight going through
the gears (6k+) if I am getting out into moving traffic.
It still does not burn any oil. I am horrible about oil changes (one
every year or 2) and I still never have to add any.
This thing may actually be old enough to drink if it was an early
model year car.

On Sat, 31 Mar 2018 15:57:52 -0400, wrote:

On 31 Mar 2018 17:52:42 GMT, Keyser Soze wrote:

wrote:
On Sat, 31 Mar 2018 09:50:35 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 3/31/18 9:05 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

Just been reading the various reviews on the 2018 Lincoln Navigator.

Ford pulled out all the stops and has blown the competition including
the* Cadillac Escalade and Infiniti QX80* away with this one.

3.5L twin turbo, 450hp, over 500 lb ft of torque, 10 speed transmission,
*6 adaptive performance settings, premier seating for all and an
interior fit and finish that is superior to any of it's competition.

Quite a price tag though.* Starts at $76K.* $96K typical.

Mrs.E. loves Navigators.* She has had three of them in the past.
Gotta keep her away from this one.





Heheh...what does that barge weigh, three tons?, and with a 3.5 liter
engine, the same size as in my little truck and a Toyota with V6? With
twin turbos? Not an engine that is going to last long, pushing an
aircraft carrier.

It does 0-60 in a little over 6 seconds. That doesn't seem to be
underpowered. I doubt Mrs E will keep it long enough to wear out the
engine.


I wasn’t questioning the horsepower output, but the wisdom of powering a
three ton car with a small engine.

Now you sound like those 60s-70s guys who said big block V-8s were the
only way to go.
If this thing performs well and lasts as long as he plans on keeping
it, why not.
My FIL went from a Northstar V-8 to a 2 liter turbo in his "always
red" CTsumpin Cadillac and he says he barely noticed the difference

Have you ever witnessed Harry *not* put down something someone else was buying?

John H. wrote:
On Sat, 31 Mar 2018 15:57:52 -0400, wrote:

On 31 Mar 2018 17:52:42 GMT, Keyser Soze wrote:

wrote:
On Sat, 31 Mar 2018 09:50:35 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 3/31/18 9:05 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
Just been reading the various reviews on the 2018 Lincoln Navigator.

Ford pulled out all the stops and has blown the competition including
the Cadillac Escalade and Infiniti QX80 away with this one.

3.5L twin turbo, 450hp, over 500 lb ft of torque, 10 speed transmission,
6 adaptive performance settings, premier seating for all and an
interior fit and finish that is superior to any of it's competition.

Quite a price tag though. Starts at $76K. $96K typical.

Mrs.E. loves Navigators. She has had three of them in the past.
Gotta keep her away from this one.




Heheh...what does that barge weigh, three tons?, and with a 3.5 liter
engine, the same size as in my little truck and a Toyota with V6? With
twin turbos? Not an engine that is going to last long, pushing an
aircraft carrier.
It does 0-60 in a little over 6 seconds. That doesn't seem to be
underpowered. I doubt Mrs E will keep it long enough to wear out the
engine.

I wasn’t questioning the horsepower output, but the wisdom of powering a
three ton car with a small engine.
Now you sound like those 60s-70s guys who said big block V-8s were the
only way to go.
If this thing performs well and lasts as long as he plans on keeping
it, why not.
My FIL went from a Northstar V-8 to a 2 liter turbo in his "always
red" CTsumpin Cadillac and he says he barely noticed the difference
Have you ever witnessed Harry *not* put down something someone else was buying?

Rarely, unless it's his dumb friend Donnie. He got a pass for buying a
Bayliner from Krause.

On 3/31/18 3:57 PM, wrote:
On 31 Mar 2018 17:52:42 GMT, Keyser Soze wrote:

wrote:
On Sat, 31 Mar 2018 09:50:35 -0400, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 3/31/18 9:05 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

Just been reading the various reviews on the 2018 Lincoln Navigator.

Ford pulled out all the stops and has blown the competition including
theÂ* Cadillac Escalade and Infiniti QX80Â* away with this one.

3.5L twin turbo, 450hp, over 500 lb ft of torque, 10 speed transmission,
Â*6 adaptive performance settings, premier seating for all and an
interior fit and finish that is superior to any of it's competition.

Quite a price tag though.Â* Starts at $76K.Â* $96K typical.

Mrs.E. loves Navigators.Â* She has had three of them in the past.
Gotta keep her away from this one.





Heheh...what does that barge weigh, three tons?, and with a 3.5 liter
engine, the same size as in my little truck and a Toyota with V6? With
twin turbos? Not an engine that is going to last long, pushing an
aircraft carrier.

It does 0-60 in a little over 6 seconds. That doesn't seem to be
underpowered. I doubt Mrs E will keep it long enough to wear out the
engine.


I wasn’t questioning the horsepower output, but the wisdom of powering a
three ton car with a small engine.

Now you sound like those 60s-70s guys who said big block V-8s were the
only way to go.
If this thing performs well and lasts as long as he plans on keeping
it, why not.
My FIL went from a Northstar V-8 to a 2 liter turbo in his "always
red" CTsumpin Cadillac and he says he barely noticed the difference


Yeah, I still believe if you have a big, heavy, car or truck, you want a
substantially sized engine in it. I was at first reluctant to buy a new
Toyota Tacoma because it only had a 3.5 liter engine, but it is a
relatively lightweight truck and I didn't plan on towing anything
heavier than a lawn/garden trailer, and that only occasionally. The six
speed manual tranny truck is certainly peppy enough, but I drive with a
light foot and to the best of my recollection, I've had the engine up
past 3000 rpms only once. Typically, I'm driving at around 2000 rpms for
60 - 65 mph. The state road limit around here is 50-55...and the county
mounties ain't reluctant to ticket you if you are more than 5 mph over
the posted limit.