AR-15 rifles
 

On 2/21/18 9:51 PM, wrote:

Everyone still seems to avoid the fact that this is a kid problem, not
a gun problem. When I was in K-12 lots of kids had easy access to
guns. We were hunting at 14 and this was within a mile of the DC line,
not wyoming. Nobody shot anyone. It was not even in our wildest scope
of thought.


It is a societal problem, exacerbated by the easy availability of most
high-powered firearms. Even in Maryland, there is no state background
check for a long gun, or even a waiting period. You just have to be 21.
And, of course, a long gun sale from one private owner to another in
this state doesn't require any state paperwork.

Tell you a secret. I got rid of my "high-powered" rifles, the Colt and
the Ruger, because they bored me. Basically, my target shooting is
limited to 100 yards unless I want to take a 2-1/2 hour drive out to the
Shenandoah. I don't need superfast, superloud .223 rounds and their
expense and noise to hit easily hit dead .targets at 100 yards or less.
A .22LR, a 9 mm, or a .357 MAG will do that job nicely.

AR-15 rifles
 

On 2/21/18 10:17 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 21 Feb 2018 18:27:49 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

The mental health treatment issues are far more complex than "reporting"
someone who might pose a danger.

But if they don't get "reported" they won't get any treatment, will
they?
I really think the problem is deeper but right now it is not being
addressed at all.



Typically, the reports go to the police. If the cops send someone out to
check up on a person, the odds are unless the person is acting really
wild and irrational, they'll just leave. If they do take someone in,
there is the problem of "where do we take him/her?" If there is a
facility other than the county jail, a judge typically will release that
person in short order.

Dramatic changes in rules and regulations need to be made on the state
level as part of the way to address this problem. It needs to be done,
and it probably will take a long, long time. That's one of the reasons
why I say the issues are "far more complex" than reporting.

AR-15 rifles
 

7:57 AMKeyser Soze
On 2/21/18 9:51 PM, wrote:

Everyone still seems to avoid the fact that this is a kid problem, not
a gun problem. When I was in K-12 lots of kids had easy access to
guns. We were hunting at 14 and this was within a mile of the DC line,
not wyoming. Nobody shot anyone. It was not even in our wildest scope
of thought.


It is a societal problem, exacerbated by the easy availability of most
high-powered firearms. Even in Maryland, there is no state background
check for a long gun, or even a waiting period. You just have to be 21.
And, of course, a long gun sale from one private owner to another in
this state doesn't require any state paperwork.

Tell you a secret. I got rid of my "high-powered" rifles, the Colt and
the Ruger, because they bored me. Basically, my target shooting is
limited to 100 yards unless I want to take a 2-1/2 hour drive out to the
Shenandoah. I don't need superfast, superloud .223 rounds and their
expense and noise to hit easily hit dead .targets at 100 yards or less.
A .22LR, a 9 mm, or a .357 MAG will do that job nicely.

——-

When was a .357 cheap and quiet to shoot?

AR-15 rifles
 

On 2/22/18 9:22 AM, Tim wrote:

7:57 AMKeyser Soze
On 2/21/18 9:51 PM, wrote:

Everyone still seems to avoid the fact that this is a kid problem, not
a gun problem. When I was in K-12 lots of kids had easy access to
guns. We were hunting at 14 and this was within a mile of the DC line,
not wyoming. Nobody shot anyone. It was not even in our wildest scope
of thought.


It is a societal problem, exacerbated by the easy availability of most
high-powered firearms. Even in Maryland, there is no state background
check for a long gun, or even a waiting period. You just have to be 21.
And, of course, a long gun sale from one private owner to another in
this state doesn't require any state paperwork.

Tell you a secret. I got rid of my "high-powered" rifles, the Colt and
the Ruger, because they bored me. Basically, my target shooting is
limited to 100 yards unless I want to take a 2-1/2 hour drive out to the
Shenandoah. I don't need superfast, superloud .223 rounds and their
expense and noise to hit easily hit dead .targets at 100 yards or less.
A .22LR, a 9 mm, or a .357 MAG will do that job nicely.

——-

When was a .357 cheap and quiet to shoot?



A .357 MAG/.38 Special rifle like the one I have can be suppressed:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1LrRIQzMHU&t=143s

I have a quantity of good .357 MAG brass ammo for which I paid 21 cents
a round some years ago when equivalent quality .223 was between 28 and
31 cents a round. Decent .38 Special ammo is about 16 cents a round.

I've got a suppressor on order that should work with my 9mm rifle and
..357 MAG rifle.

Of course, my .357 MAG revolver can't be suppressed, but I don't take it
to the range that often. It's my home defense firearm. As in, home
invader breaks in, comes after us, no way to escape, "Bang, you're dead."

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Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 2/22/18 9:22 AM, Tim wrote:

7:57 AMKeyser Soze
On 2/21/18 9:51 PM, wrote:

Everyone still seems to avoid the fact that this is a kid problem, not
a gun problem. When I was in K-12 lots of kids had easy access to
guns. We were hunting at 14 and this was within a mile of the DC line,
not wyoming. Nobody shot anyone. It was not even in our wildest scope
of thought.


It is a societal problem, exacerbated by the easy availability of most
high-powered firearms. Even in Maryland, there is no state background
check for a long gun, or even a waiting period. You just have to be 21.
And, of course, a long gun sale from one private owner to another in
this state doesn't require any state paperwork.

Tell you a secret. I got rid of my "high-powered" rifles, the Colt and
the Ruger, because they bored me. Basically, my target shooting is
limited to 100 yards unless I want to take a 2-1/2 hour drive out to the
Shenandoah. I don't need superfast, superloud .223 rounds and their
expense and noise to hit easily hit dead .targets at 100 yards or less.
A .22LR, a 9 mm, or a .357 MAG will do that job nicely.

??-

When was a .357 cheap and quiet to shoot?



A .357 MAG/.38 Special rifle like the one I have can be suppressed:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1LrRIQzMHU&t=143s

I have a quantity of good .357 MAG brass ammo for which I paid 21 cents
a round some years ago when equivalent quality .223 was between 28 and
31 cents a round. Decent .38 Special ammo is about 16 cents a round.

I've got a suppressor on order that should work with my 9mm rifle and
.357 MAG rifle.

Of course, my .357 MAG revolver can't be suppressed, but I don't take it
to the range that often. It's my home defense firearm. As in, home
invader breaks in, comes after us, no way to escape, "Bang, you're dead."





The world would be a safer place if you'd stick to Googling poetry
rather than fooling around with guns.
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On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 07:09:45 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/21/2018 9:51 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 21 Feb 2018 17:01:58 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


Before the 2nd Amendment advocates jump all over me for this, please
hear me out and give it consideration.

I think AR-15 and other "military like" rifles that resemble assault
rifles should be allowed but only at licensed shooting ranges. They
cannot be removed from the range. Owners should be required to store
the rifles *at* the range when not using them.

I realize other types of guns, cars, trucks, knives, etc. can also be
used in these mass killings in schools but for some reason the people
that do this seem to have a fascination with military type assault weapons.

It's not a 2nd Amendment thing. It's a mental attitude and perception
thing and it needs to be addressed. As a country, we need to do
something, not just talk about it like a bunch of politicians.


And contrary to Harry's claims, mental health professionals need to pay
closer attention to their patients and not hesitate to report anyone who
even remotely appears to be a potential threat. The mental health
people at the out-patient facility who treated Cruz reported him to be
of "no danger to himself or others." He then went out with an AR-15
and killed 17 people, most of them children.

Are you really saying any box, magazine fed SA auto?
Also you are showing how much you are affected by the Acela corridor
bubble. How about that guy in Wyoming who is nowhere near a range but
he can shoot in the forest behind his house?
This is where an old states rights guy like me can compromise. If you
are living in Manhattan or Boston, it makes perfect sense that you
store your gun where you shoot it, assuming home defense is a throw
away right. If that is what law you want, go for it. Just don't get
the idea this should be a federal law.

Everyone still seems to avoid the fact that this is a kid problem, not
a gun problem. When I was in K-12 lots of kids had easy access to
guns. We were hunting at 14 and this was within a mile of the DC line,
not wyoming. Nobody shot anyone. It was not even in our wildest scope
of thought.



No, I am not talking about any box, magazine fed SA auto rifle used for
hunting or recreational target practice.

I am talking about the models that are basically copies of military
style weapons. For some reason people, including some mentally unstable
people have a fascination with them as evidenced by the number of times
they are used in these mass shootings. Maybe it's because we've see
newscasts and videos of military personnel in Iraq or Afghanistan using
them on a daily basis for the last 17 years or maybe it's because we
see police departments being supplied with surplus military weapons and
gear. It's a cultural thing, not a gun thing.

Think back. When you were a kid how many policemen did you see walking
around in helmets, bullet proof vests and carrying a military style
weapon? You didn't. Cops wore blue uniforms, twirling a night stick
and carrying an inconspicuous sidearm.

Again you are describing a mental problem. Maybe we should disarm
Hollywood. If you think it is a gun problem, any box fed SA is pretty
much like any other. They pretty much all take hi cap magazines.
OTOH people have caused plenty of damage with less capable fire arms.
The guy who shot up the Navy Yard used a pump shotgun. Ft Hood was a
handgun.

AR-15 rifles
 

On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 07:10:23 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/21/2018 9:55 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 21 Feb 2018 17:58:42 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/21/2018 5:26 PM, John H. wrote:
On Wed, 21 Feb 2018 17:01:58 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:


Before the 2nd Amendment advocates jump all over me for this, please
hear me out and give it consideration.

I think AR-15 and other "military like" rifles that resemble assault
rifles should be allowed but only at licensed shooting ranges. They
cannot be removed from the range. Owners should be required to store
the rifles *at* the range when not using them.

I realize other types of guns, cars, trucks, knives, etc. can also be
used in these mass killings in schools but for some reason the people
that do this seem to have a fascination with military type assault weapons.

It's not a 2nd Amendment thing. It's a mental attitude and perception
thing and it needs to be addressed. As a country, we need to do
something, not just talk about it like a bunch of politicians.


And contrary to Harry's claims, mental health professionals need to pay
closer attention to their patients and not hesitate to report anyone who
even remotely appears to be a potential threat. The mental health
people at the out-patient facility who treated Cruz reported him to be
of "no danger to himself or others." He then went out with an AR-15
and killed 17 people, most of them children.


If that much infringement is to occur, then I'd say just outlaw the sale of the damn things. If
folks want to shoot them, rent them from the range and shoot the hell out of them. The range I use
will rent any rifle or pistol in their rental selection, and it's a good selection, for $10. And,
the weapons can be exchanged for other weapons at no extra charge.

I don't think that will stop the shootings as about 8 million of them have already been sold. But,
it would make the anti-gun crowd happy. I would even go along with raising the buying age of the
'assault style' firearms to 30 years old.



I was really impressed watching the meeting Trump had with kids who were
in the school when the shooting occurred and some parents of those
killed. Nobody was crying out to ban guns. Many ideas were presented
and discussed. The only person I disagreed with was the mental health
professional who ignored the reality of the situations and promoted
more "help" (funding) for those with issues.

Other ideas ranged from training and arming volunteer teachers and
administrators who could respond quickly while waiting the typical 5 to
7 minutes for the police to arrive. (all the killing in Florida took
place in 7 minutes). Others, like me, think a ban or semi-ban on
military type rifles should be considered. But the most impressive
thing was it was a civil discussion with respect for those with
different views.

Oh ... and Trump himself did an outstanding job. I don't recall any
previous president taking the time as he did to listen, ask questions
and solicit their ideas and views. He was visibly moved by some of the
comments.

The jerks we have in Congress could learn something by seeing how these
young people handled themselves.


Did you see the story about the high school in Indiana that is
actually taking real defensive precautions. They have marked out the
safe zones on the floor where you are safe from someone shooting from
the hall, the doors can be locked remotely, there is a **** load of
surveillance, linked to the cops, the teachers carry panic fobs and
they have smoke cannons in the hall that the cops can control for a
dynamic entry.



Sad.

It is a tad over the top but they actually "did something".

AR-15 rifles
 

On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 08:57:24 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 2/21/18 9:51 PM, wrote:

Everyone still seems to avoid the fact that this is a kid problem, not
a gun problem. When I was in K-12 lots of kids had easy access to
guns. We were hunting at 14 and this was within a mile of the DC line,
not wyoming. Nobody shot anyone. It was not even in our wildest scope
of thought.


It is a societal problem, exacerbated by the easy availability of most
high-powered firearms. Even in Maryland, there is no state background
check for a long gun, or even a waiting period. You just have to be 21.
And, of course, a long gun sale from one private owner to another in
this state doesn't require any state paperwork.

Tell you a secret. I got rid of my "high-powered" rifles, the Colt and
the Ruger, because they bored me. Basically, my target shooting is
limited to 100 yards unless I want to take a 2-1/2 hour drive out to the
Shenandoah. I don't need superfast, superloud .223 rounds and their
expense and noise to hit easily hit dead .targets at 100 yards or less.
A .22LR, a 9 mm, or a .357 MAG will do that job nicely.

That is simply rationalizing. Plenty of mass shootings have happened
with 9mms, usually pistols but your assault rifle would do just fine.
The "military style" thing is really a red herring. Your CZ is
certainly "military style" and they will sell you a tactical style
stock for just about anything. You can certainly make a very
"military" looking weapon out of a Mini14 or even a 10-22.

AR-15 rifles
 

On 2/22/2018 11:18 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 07:09:45 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 2/21/2018 9:51 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 21 Feb 2018 17:01:58 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


Before the 2nd Amendment advocates jump all over me for this, please
hear me out and give it consideration.

I think AR-15 and other "military like" rifles that resemble assault
rifles should be allowed but only at licensed shooting ranges. They
cannot be removed from the range. Owners should be required to store
the rifles *at* the range when not using them.

I realize other types of guns, cars, trucks, knives, etc. can also be
used in these mass killings in schools but for some reason the people
that do this seem to have a fascination with military type assault weapons.

It's not a 2nd Amendment thing. It's a mental attitude and perception
thing and it needs to be addressed. As a country, we need to do
something, not just talk about it like a bunch of politicians.


And contrary to Harry's claims, mental health professionals need to pay
closer attention to their patients and not hesitate to report anyone who
even remotely appears to be a potential threat. The mental health
people at the out-patient facility who treated Cruz reported him to be
of "no danger to himself or others." He then went out with an AR-15
and killed 17 people, most of them children.

Are you really saying any box, magazine fed SA auto?
Also you are showing how much you are affected by the Acela corridor
bubble. How about that guy in Wyoming who is nowhere near a range but
he can shoot in the forest behind his house?
This is where an old states rights guy like me can compromise. If you
are living in Manhattan or Boston, it makes perfect sense that you
store your gun where you shoot it, assuming home defense is a throw
away right. If that is what law you want, go for it. Just don't get
the idea this should be a federal law.

Everyone still seems to avoid the fact that this is a kid problem, not
a gun problem. When I was in K-12 lots of kids had easy access to
guns. We were hunting at 14 and this was within a mile of the DC line,
not wyoming. Nobody shot anyone. It was not even in our wildest scope
of thought.



No, I am not talking about any box, magazine fed SA auto rifle used for
hunting or recreational target practice.

I am talking about the models that are basically copies of military
style weapons. For some reason people, including some mentally unstable
people have a fascination with them as evidenced by the number of times
they are used in these mass shootings. Maybe it's because we've see
newscasts and videos of military personnel in Iraq or Afghanistan using
them on a daily basis for the last 17 years or maybe it's because we
see police departments being supplied with surplus military weapons and
gear. It's a cultural thing, not a gun thing.

Think back. When you were a kid how many policemen did you see walking
around in helmets, bullet proof vests and carrying a military style
weapon? You didn't. Cops wore blue uniforms, twirling a night stick
and carrying an inconspicuous sidearm.

Again you are describing a mental problem. Maybe we should disarm
Hollywood. If you think it is a gun problem, any box fed SA is pretty
much like any other. They pretty much all take hi cap magazines.
OTOH people have caused plenty of damage with less capable fire arms.
The guy who shot up the Navy Yard used a pump shotgun. Ft Hood was a
handgun.



Why are the AR-15 style rifles the most popular weapon being sold in the
USA today?

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On 2/22/18 11:24 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 08:57:24 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 2/21/18 9:51 PM, wrote:

Everyone still seems to avoid the fact that this is a kid problem, not
a gun problem. When I was in K-12 lots of kids had easy access to
guns. We were hunting at 14 and this was within a mile of the DC line,
not wyoming. Nobody shot anyone. It was not even in our wildest scope
of thought.


It is a societal problem, exacerbated by the easy availability of most
high-powered firearms. Even in Maryland, there is no state background
check for a long gun, or even a waiting period. You just have to be 21.
And, of course, a long gun sale from one private owner to another in
this state doesn't require any state paperwork.

Tell you a secret. I got rid of my "high-powered" rifles, the Colt and
the Ruger, because they bored me. Basically, my target shooting is
limited to 100 yards unless I want to take a 2-1/2 hour drive out to the
Shenandoah. I don't need superfast, superloud .223 rounds and their
expense and noise to hit easily hit dead .targets at 100 yards or less.
A .22LR, a 9 mm, or a .357 MAG will do that job nicely.

That is simply rationalizing. Plenty of mass shootings have happened
with 9mms, usually pistols but your assault rifle would do just fine.
The "military style" thing is really a red herring. Your CZ is
certainly "military style" and they will sell you a tactical style
stock for just about anything. You can certainly make a very
"military" looking weapon out of a Mini14 or even a 10-22.


What part is "rationalizing"? The AR-15 is the school shoot up weapon of
choice. Any idiot can buy a long gun privately in many parts of this
country without any background check or waiting period. I didn't mention
"military style." You did.

Yes, I am sure some moron can shoot up a school with a CZ Scorpion, but
a $900 9mm rifle is not a weapon of choice for that sort of "fun."