AR-15 rifles
 

Before the 2nd Amendment advocates jump all over me for this, please
hear me out and give it consideration.

I think AR-15 and other "military like" rifles that resemble assault
rifles should be allowed but only at licensed shooting ranges. They
cannot be removed from the range. Owners should be required to store
the rifles *at* the range when not using them.

I realize other types of guns, cars, trucks, knives, etc. can also be
used in these mass killings in schools but for some reason the people
that do this seem to have a fascination with military type assault weapons.

It's not a 2nd Amendment thing. It's a mental attitude and perception
thing and it needs to be addressed. As a country, we need to do
something, not just talk about it like a bunch of politicians.


And contrary to Harry's claims, mental health professionals need to pay
closer attention to their patients and not hesitate to report anyone who
even remotely appears to be a potential threat. The mental health
people at the out-patient facility who treated Cruz reported him to be
of "no danger to himself or others." He then went out with an AR-15
and killed 17 people, most of them children.

AR-15 rifles
 

On Wed, 21 Feb 2018 17:01:58 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:


Before the 2nd Amendment advocates jump all over me for this, please
hear me out and give it consideration.

I think AR-15 and other "military like" rifles that resemble assault
rifles should be allowed but only at licensed shooting ranges. They
cannot be removed from the range. Owners should be required to store
the rifles *at* the range when not using them.

I realize other types of guns, cars, trucks, knives, etc. can also be
used in these mass killings in schools but for some reason the people
that do this seem to have a fascination with military type assault weapons.

It's not a 2nd Amendment thing. It's a mental attitude and perception
thing and it needs to be addressed. As a country, we need to do
something, not just talk about it like a bunch of politicians.


And contrary to Harry's claims, mental health professionals need to pay
closer attention to their patients and not hesitate to report anyone who
even remotely appears to be a potential threat. The mental health
people at the out-patient facility who treated Cruz reported him to be
of "no danger to himself or others." He then went out with an AR-15
and killed 17 people, most of them children.


If that much infringement is to occur, then I'd say just outlaw the sale of the damn things. If
folks want to shoot them, rent them from the range and shoot the hell out of them. The range I use
will rent any rifle or pistol in their rental selection, and it's a good selection, for $10. And,
the weapons can be exchanged for other weapons at no extra charge.

I don't think that will stop the shootings as about 8 million of them have already been sold. But,
it would make the anti-gun crowd happy. I would even go along with raising the buying age of the
'assault style' firearms to 30 years old.

AR-15 rifles
 

On 2/21/2018 5:26 PM, John H. wrote:
On Wed, 21 Feb 2018 17:01:58 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:


Before the 2nd Amendment advocates jump all over me for this, please
hear me out and give it consideration.

I think AR-15 and other "military like" rifles that resemble assault
rifles should be allowed but only at licensed shooting ranges. They
cannot be removed from the range. Owners should be required to store
the rifles *at* the range when not using them.

I realize other types of guns, cars, trucks, knives, etc. can also be
used in these mass killings in schools but for some reason the people
that do this seem to have a fascination with military type assault weapons.

It's not a 2nd Amendment thing. It's a mental attitude and perception
thing and it needs to be addressed. As a country, we need to do
something, not just talk about it like a bunch of politicians.


And contrary to Harry's claims, mental health professionals need to pay
closer attention to their patients and not hesitate to report anyone who
even remotely appears to be a potential threat. The mental health
people at the out-patient facility who treated Cruz reported him to be
of "no danger to himself or others." He then went out with an AR-15
and killed 17 people, most of them children.


If that much infringement is to occur, then I'd say just outlaw the sale of the damn things. If
folks want to shoot them, rent them from the range and shoot the hell out of them. The range I use
will rent any rifle or pistol in their rental selection, and it's a good selection, for $10. And,
the weapons can be exchanged for other weapons at no extra charge.

I don't think that will stop the shootings as about 8 million of them have already been sold. But,
it would make the anti-gun crowd happy. I would even go along with raising the buying age of the
'assault style' firearms to 30 years old.



I was really impressed watching the meeting Trump had with kids who were
in the school when the shooting occurred and some parents of those
killed. Nobody was crying out to ban guns. Many ideas were presented
and discussed. The only person I disagreed with was the mental health
professional who ignored the reality of the situations and promoted
more "help" (funding) for those with issues.

Other ideas ranged from training and arming volunteer teachers and
administrators who could respond quickly while waiting the typical 5 to
7 minutes for the police to arrive. (all the killing in Florida took
place in 7 minutes). Others, like me, think a ban or semi-ban on
military type rifles should be considered. But the most impressive
thing was it was a civil discussion with respect for those with
different views.

Oh ... and Trump himself did an outstanding job. I don't recall any
previous president taking the time as he did to listen, ask questions
and solicit their ideas and views. He was visibly moved by some of the
comments.

The jerks we have in Congress could learn something by seeing how these
young people handled themselves.

AR-15 rifles
 

On Wed, 21 Feb 2018 17:58:42 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 2/21/2018 5:26 PM, John H. wrote:
On Wed, 21 Feb 2018 17:01:58 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:


Before the 2nd Amendment advocates jump all over me for this, please
hear me out and give it consideration.

I think AR-15 and other "military like" rifles that resemble assault
rifles should be allowed but only at licensed shooting ranges. They
cannot be removed from the range. Owners should be required to store
the rifles *at* the range when not using them.

I realize other types of guns, cars, trucks, knives, etc. can also be
used in these mass killings in schools but for some reason the people
that do this seem to have a fascination with military type assault weapons.

It's not a 2nd Amendment thing. It's a mental attitude and perception
thing and it needs to be addressed. As a country, we need to do
something, not just talk about it like a bunch of politicians.


And contrary to Harry's claims, mental health professionals need to pay
closer attention to their patients and not hesitate to report anyone who
even remotely appears to be a potential threat. The mental health
people at the out-patient facility who treated Cruz reported him to be
of "no danger to himself or others." He then went out with an AR-15
and killed 17 people, most of them children.


If that much infringement is to occur, then I'd say just outlaw the sale of the damn things. If
folks want to shoot them, rent them from the range and shoot the hell out of them. The range I use
will rent any rifle or pistol in their rental selection, and it's a good selection, for $10. And,
the weapons can be exchanged for other weapons at no extra charge.

I don't think that will stop the shootings as about 8 million of them have already been sold. But,
it would make the anti-gun crowd happy. I would even go along with raising the buying age of the
'assault style' firearms to 30 years old.



I was really impressed watching the meeting Trump had with kids who were
in the school when the shooting occurred and some parents of those
killed. Nobody was crying out to ban guns. Many ideas were presented
and discussed. The only person I disagreed with was the mental health
professional who ignored the reality of the situations and promoted
more "help" (funding) for those with issues.

Other ideas ranged from training and arming volunteer teachers and
administrators who could respond quickly while waiting the typical 5 to
7 minutes for the police to arrive. (all the killing in Florida took
place in 7 minutes). Others, like me, think a ban or semi-ban on
military type rifles should be considered. But the most impressive
thing was it was a civil discussion with respect for those with
different views.

Oh ... and Trump himself did an outstanding job. I don't recall any
previous president taking the time as he did to listen, ask questions
and solicit their ideas and views. He was visibly moved by some of the
comments.

The jerks we have in Congress could learn something by seeing how these
young people handled themselves.


I didn't see it, but I have it on tape (from my daughter). Am looking forward to it. I'm serious
about my comments above. I'd have no problem with stopping the sale of them, especially to
youngsters - anyone under about 30.

AR-15 rifles
 

On 2/21/18 5:01 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

Before the 2nd Amendment advocates jump all over me for this, please
hear me out and give it consideration.

I think AR-15 and other "military like" rifles that resemble assault
rifles should be allowed but only at licensed shooting ranges.Â* They
cannot be removed from the range.Â* Owners should be required to store
the rifles *at* the range when not using them.

I realize other types of guns, cars, trucks, knives, etc. can also be
used in these mass killings in schools but for some reason the people
that do this seem to have a fascination with military type assault weapons.

It's not a 2nd Amendment thing.Â* It's a mental attitude and perception
thing and it needs to be addressed.Â* As a country, we need to do
something, not just talk about it like a bunch of politicians.


And contrary to Harry's claims,Â* mental health professionals need to pay
closer attention to their patients and not hesitate to report anyone who
even remotely appears to be a potential threat.Â* The mental health
people at the out-patient facility who treated Cruz reported him to be
of "no danger to himself or others."Â*Â* He then went out with an AR-15
and killed 17 people, most of them children.




The mental health treatment issues are far more complex than "reporting"
someone who might pose a danger.

AR-15 rifles
 

Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 2/21/18 5:01 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

Before the 2nd Amendment advocates jump all over me for this, please
hear me out and give it consideration.

I think AR-15 and other "military like" rifles that resemble assault
rifles should be allowed but only at licensed shooting ranges. They
cannot be removed from the range. Owners should be required to store
the rifles *at* the range when not using them.

I realize other types of guns, cars, trucks, knives, etc. can also be
used in these mass killings in schools but for some reason the people
that do this seem to have a fascination with military type assault weapons.

It's not a 2nd Amendment thing. It's a mental attitude and perception
thing and it needs to be addressed. As a country, we need to do
something, not just talk about it like a bunch of politicians.


And contrary to Harry's claims, mental health professionals need to pay
closer attention to their patients and not hesitate to report anyone who
even remotely appears to be a potential threat. The mental health
people at the out-patient facility who treated Cruz reported him to be
of "no danger to himself or others." He then went out with an AR-15
and killed 17 people, most of them children.




The mental health treatment issues are far more complex than "reporting"
someone who might pose a danger.


Tell us about it, if you can, old wise one.
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AR-15 rifles
 

Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/21/18 5:01 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

Before the 2nd Amendment advocates jump all over me for this, please
hear me out and give it consideration.

I think AR-15 and other "military like" rifles that resemble assault
rifles should be allowed but only at licensed shooting ranges. They
cannot be removed from the range. Owners should be required to store
the rifles *at* the range when not using them.

I realize other types of guns, cars, trucks, knives, etc. can also be
used in these mass killings in schools but for some reason the people
that do this seem to have a fascination with military type assault
weapons.

It's not a 2nd Amendment thing. It's a mental attitude and
perception thing and it needs to be addressed. As a country, we need
to do something, not just talk about it like a bunch of politicians.


And contrary to Harry's claims, mental health professionals need to
pay closer attention to their patients and not hesitate to report
anyone who
even remotely appears to be a potential threat. The mental health
people at the out-patient facility who treated Cruz reported him to
be of "no danger to himself or others." He then went out with an
AR-15 and killed 17 people, most of them children.




The mental health treatment issues are far more complex than
"reporting" someone who might pose a danger.

That's because there's little science behind it and it would be a
judgement call. Ten doctors will have ten different opinions.

AR-15 rifles
 

On Wed, 21 Feb 2018 18:27:49 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 2/21/18 5:01 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

Before the 2nd Amendment advocates jump all over me for this, please
hear me out and give it consideration.

I think AR-15 and other "military like" rifles that resemble assault
rifles should be allowed but only at licensed shooting ranges.* They
cannot be removed from the range.* Owners should be required to store
the rifles *at* the range when not using them.

I realize other types of guns, cars, trucks, knives, etc. can also be
used in these mass killings in schools but for some reason the people
that do this seem to have a fascination with military type assault weapons.

It's not a 2nd Amendment thing.* It's a mental attitude and perception
thing and it needs to be addressed.* As a country, we need to do
something, not just talk about it like a bunch of politicians.


And contrary to Harry's claims,* mental health professionals need to pay
closer attention to their patients and not hesitate to report anyone who
even remotely appears to be a potential threat.* The mental health
people at the out-patient facility who treated Cruz reported him to be
of "no danger to himself or others."** He then went out with an AR-15
and killed 17 people, most of them children.




The mental health treatment issues are far more complex than "reporting"
someone who might pose a danger.

'Treatment' was not the question. 'Reporting' was the issue. Reporting a potential threat is not a
'complex' issue.

AR-15 rifles
 

On 2/21/2018 6:27 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/21/18 5:01 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

Before the 2nd Amendment advocates jump all over me for this, please
hear me out and give it consideration.

I think AR-15 and other "military like" rifles that resemble assault
rifles should be allowed but only at licensed shooting ranges.Â* They
cannot be removed from the range.Â* Owners should be required to store
the rifles *at* the range when not using them.

I realize other types of guns, cars, trucks, knives, etc. can also be
used in these mass killings in schools but for some reason the people
that do this seem to have a fascination with military type assault
weapons.

It's not a 2nd Amendment thing.Â* It's a mental attitude and perception
thing and it needs to be addressed.Â* As a country, we need to do
something, not just talk about it like a bunch of politicians.


And contrary to Harry's claims,Â* mental health professionals need to
pay closer attention to their patients and not hesitate to report
anyone who
even remotely appears to be a potential threat.Â* The mental health
people at the out-patient facility who treated Cruz reported him to be
of "no danger to himself or others."Â*Â* He then went out with an AR-15
and killed 17 people, most of them children.






The mental health treatment issues are far more complex than "reporting"
someone who might pose a danger.


Yes Harry. You've said that before. Meanwhile, 17 people were killed a
week ago in a high school after mental health professionals determined
Cruz was not a "danger".

You are sounding like those you complain about. "Nothing can be done".

You've cited the laws in most states (including mine) as to when and how
a "professional" can take action to prevent a potential tragedy. I am
very aware of those laws. I engaged in a heated debate with a mental
health professional a few years ago regarding a person who demonstrated
that he was both a danger to himself and to others, not just in my
opinion but in the opinion of the police who strongly recommended that
he be mentally evaluated. I was trying to get him some help because he
had refused to get any voluntarily for a number of years. Without going
through all the details, the psychotherapist who interviewed him ended
up agreeing with me that the person *was* a potential danger both to
himself and to others but "nothing could be done" as far as getting
state help for him until he actually harmed himself or others.

Stupid.

AR-15 rifles
 

On 2/21/2018 7:29 PM, John H. wrote:
On Wed, 21 Feb 2018 18:27:49 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 2/21/18 5:01 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

Before the 2nd Amendment advocates jump all over me for this, please
hear me out and give it consideration.

I think AR-15 and other "military like" rifles that resemble assault
rifles should be allowed but only at licensed shooting ranges.Â* They
cannot be removed from the range.Â* Owners should be required to store
the rifles *at* the range when not using them.

I realize other types of guns, cars, trucks, knives, etc. can also be
used in these mass killings in schools but for some reason the people
that do this seem to have a fascination with military type assault weapons.

It's not a 2nd Amendment thing.Â* It's a mental attitude and perception
thing and it needs to be addressed.Â* As a country, we need to do
something, not just talk about it like a bunch of politicians.


And contrary to Harry's claims,Â* mental health professionals need to pay
closer attention to their patients and not hesitate to report anyone who
even remotely appears to be a potential threat.Â* The mental health
people at the out-patient facility who treated Cruz reported him to be
of "no danger to himself or others."Â*Â* He then went out with an AR-15
and killed 17 people, most of them children.




The mental health treatment issues are far more complex than "reporting"
someone who might pose a danger.

'Treatment' was not the question. 'Reporting' was the issue. Reporting a potential threat is not a
'complex' issue.



Excellent point.