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On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 08:28:10 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 2/23/2018 8:01 AM, John H. wrote: On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 22:59:44 -0500, wrote: On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 14:14:26 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 2/22/2018 1:21 PM, wrote: On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 11:33:58 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: On 2/22/18 11:24 AM, wrote: On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 08:57:24 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: On 2/21/18 9:51 PM, wrote: Everyone still seems to avoid the fact that this is a kid problem, not a gun problem. When I was in K-12 lots of kids had easy access to guns. We were hunting at 14 and this was within a mile of the DC line, not wyoming. Nobody shot anyone. It was not even in our wildest scope of thought. It is a societal problem, exacerbated by the easy availability of most high-powered firearms. Even in Maryland, there is no state background check for a long gun, or even a waiting period. You just have to be 21. And, of course, a long gun sale from one private owner to another in this state doesn't require any state paperwork. Tell you a secret. I got rid of my "high-powered" rifles, the Colt and the Ruger, because they bored me. Basically, my target shooting is limited to 100 yards unless I want to take a 2-1/2 hour drive out to the Shenandoah. I don't need superfast, superloud .223 rounds and their expense and noise to hit easily hit dead .targets at 100 yards or less. A .22LR, a 9 mm, or a .357 MAG will do that job nicely. That is simply rationalizing. Plenty of mass shootings have happened with 9mms, usually pistols but your assault rifle would do just fine. The "military style" thing is really a red herring. Your CZ is certainly "military style" and they will sell you a tactical style stock for just about anything. You can certainly make a very "military" looking weapon out of a Mini14 or even a 10-22. What part is "rationalizing"? The AR-15 is the school shoot up weapon of choice. Any idiot can buy a long gun privately in many parts of this country without any background check or waiting period. I didn't mention "military style." You did. Richard is stuck on the military thing, along with most of the left. Yes, I am sure some moron can shoot up a school with a CZ Scorpion, but a $900 9mm rifle is not a weapon of choice for that sort of "fun." If that is what they had, that is what they would use. The Columbine boys used a similar Hi Point carbine. I am not stuck on the "military thing". The military should have the most lethal weapons available. I am stuck on military type AR-15s available for civilian purchase because they have a record of being the weapons of choice for these mass shootings more often than not. I don't know why they hold such a fascination for nut cases who want to go kill a bunch of people but they do. Maybe it's because they are cheap, heavily marketed and available as you have pointed out. === I think the high capacity magazines have a lot to do with it, along with relatively small size, high power and reliability. --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com I'd have no problem with outlawing them also. Again, I don't think it would be effective, but it would be 'perceived' as taking action. More than a ineffective perception, it might be the start of an awareness that not all guns are suitable or designed for civilian recreational use. It could be the beginning of a more rational attitude about firearms without risking 2nd Amendment "rights". I know this offends many here but I can't think of a legitimate use of a AK-15 style rifle by recreational shooters other than they are "COOL" to have and the government, in the interest of the rest of the population, can't do a damn thing about having one ... or two... or three. I could make the same argument about just about any car except a 4 cylinder family sedan. Would you ban sports cars? They have no function except being cool to have and they kill many times more people than AR 15s. Should people have to justify having a truck or SUV with a specific need? I guarantee you there are plenty of environmentalists who would sign on to that legislation. Hard core greenies would ban cars altogether to save the planet. The slope really starts getting slippery when you start banning things, simply because of perceptions,. There you go again, with your nonsensical comparison of car and gun deaths, one a transportation device and the other a device whose primary purpose is to kill. Sheesh. -- Posted with my iPhone 8+. |
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On 2/23/2018 12:35 PM, Keyser Söze wrote:
wrote: On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 08:28:10 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 2/23/2018 8:01 AM, John H. wrote: On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 22:59:44 -0500, wrote: On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 14:14:26 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 2/22/2018 1:21 PM, wrote: On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 11:33:58 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: On 2/22/18 11:24 AM, wrote: On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 08:57:24 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: On 2/21/18 9:51 PM, wrote: Everyone still seems to avoid the fact that this is a kid problem, not a gun problem. When I was in K-12 lots of kids had easy access to guns. We were hunting at 14 and this was within a mile of the DC line, not wyoming. Nobody shot anyone. It was not even in our wildest scope of thought. It is a societal problem, exacerbated by the easy availability of most high-powered firearms. Even in Maryland, there is no state background check for a long gun, or even a waiting period. You just have to be 21. And, of course, a long gun sale from one private owner to another in this state doesn't require any state paperwork. Tell you a secret. I got rid of my "high-powered" rifles, the Colt and the Ruger, because they bored me. Basically, my target shooting is limited to 100 yards unless I want to take a 2-1/2 hour drive out to the Shenandoah. I don't need superfast, superloud .223 rounds and their expense and noise to hit easily hit dead .targets at 100 yards or less. A .22LR, a 9 mm, or a .357 MAG will do that job nicely. That is simply rationalizing. Plenty of mass shootings have happened with 9mms, usually pistols but your assault rifle would do just fine. The "military style" thing is really a red herring. Your CZ is certainly "military style" and they will sell you a tactical style stock for just about anything. You can certainly make a very "military" looking weapon out of a Mini14 or even a 10-22. What part is "rationalizing"? The AR-15 is the school shoot up weapon of choice. Any idiot can buy a long gun privately in many parts of this country without any background check or waiting period. I didn't mention "military style." You did. Richard is stuck on the military thing, along with most of the left. Yes, I am sure some moron can shoot up a school with a CZ Scorpion, but a $900 9mm rifle is not a weapon of choice for that sort of "fun." If that is what they had, that is what they would use. The Columbine boys used a similar Hi Point carbine. I am not stuck on the "military thing". The military should have the most lethal weapons available. I am stuck on military type AR-15s available for civilian purchase because they have a record of being the weapons of choice for these mass shootings more often than not. I don't know why they hold such a fascination for nut cases who want to go kill a bunch of people but they do. Maybe it's because they are cheap, heavily marketed and available as you have pointed out. === I think the high capacity magazines have a lot to do with it, along with relatively small size, high power and reliability. --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com I'd have no problem with outlawing them also. Again, I don't think it would be effective, but it would be 'perceived' as taking action. More than a ineffective perception, it might be the start of an awareness that not all guns are suitable or designed for civilian recreational use. It could be the beginning of a more rational attitude about firearms without risking 2nd Amendment "rights". I know this offends many here but I can't think of a legitimate use of a AK-15 style rifle by recreational shooters other than they are "COOL" to have and the government, in the interest of the rest of the population, can't do a damn thing about having one ... or two... or three. I could make the same argument about just about any car except a 4 cylinder family sedan. Would you ban sports cars? They have no function except being cool to have and they kill many times more people than AR 15s. Should people have to justify having a truck or SUV with a specific need? I guarantee you there are plenty of environmentalists who would sign on to that legislation. Hard core greenies would ban cars altogether to save the planet. The slope really starts getting slippery when you start banning things, simply because of perceptions,. There you go again, with your nonsensical comparison of car and gun deaths, one a transportation device and the other a device whose primary purpose is to kill. Sheesh. HEY! I said it first! :-) |
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AR-15 rifles
On 2/23/18 12:58 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/23/2018 12:35 PM, Keyser Söze wrote: wrote: On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 08:28:10 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 2/23/2018 8:01 AM, John H. wrote: On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 22:59:44 -0500, wrote: On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 14:14:26 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 2/22/2018 1:21 PM, wrote: On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 11:33:58 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: On 2/22/18 11:24 AM, wrote: On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 08:57:24 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: On 2/21/18 9:51 PM, wrote: Everyone still seems to avoid the fact that this is a kid problem, not a gun problem. When I was in K-12 lots of kids had easy access to guns. We were hunting at 14 and this was within a mile of the DC line, not wyoming. Nobody shot anyone. It was not even in our wildest scope of thought. It is a societal problem, exacerbated by the easy availability of most high-powered firearms. Even in Maryland, there is no state background check for a long gun, or even a waiting period. You just have to be 21. And, of course, a long gun sale from one private owner to another in this state doesn't require any state paperwork. Tell you a secret. I got rid of my "high-powered" rifles, the Colt and the Ruger, because they bored me. Basically, my target shooting is limited to 100 yards unless I want to take a 2-1/2 hour drive out to the Shenandoah. I don't need superfast, superloud .223 rounds and their expense and noise to hit easily hit dead .targets at 100 yards or less. A .22LR, a 9 mm, or a .357 MAG will do that job nicely. That is simply rationalizing. Plenty of mass shootings have happened with 9mms, usually pistols but your assault rifle would do just fine. The "military style" thing is really a red herring. Your CZ is certainly "military style" and they will sell you a tactical style stock for just about anything. You can certainly make a very "military" looking weapon out of a Mini14 or even a 10-22. What part is "rationalizing"? The AR-15 is the school shoot up weapon of choice. Any idiot can buy a long gun privately in many parts of this country without any background check or waiting period. I didn't mention "military style." You did. Richard is stuck on the military thing, along with most of the left. Yes, I am sure some moron can shoot up a school with a CZ Scorpion, but a $900 9mm rifle is not a weapon of choice for that sort of "fun." If that is what they had, that is what they would use. The Columbine boys used a similar Hi Point carbine. I am not stuck on the "military thing".Â* The military should have the most lethal weapons available. I am stuck on military type AR-15s available for civilian purchase because they have a record of being the weapons of choice for these mass shootings more often than not.Â*Â* I don't know why they hold such a fascination for nut cases who want to go kill a bunch of people but they do.Â* Maybe it's because they are cheap, heavily marketed and available as you have pointed out. === I think the high capacity magazines have a lot to do with it, along with relatively small size, high power and reliability. --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com I'd have no problem with outlawing them also. Again, I don't think it would be effective, but it would be 'perceived' as taking action. More than a ineffective perception, it might be the start of an awareness that not all guns are suitable or designed for civilian recreational use.Â* It could be the beginning of a more rational attitude about firearms without risking 2nd Amendment "rights".Â* I know this offends many here but I can't think of a legitimate use of a AK-15 style rifle by recreational shooters other than they are "COOL" to have and the government, in the interest of the rest of the population, can't do a damn thing about having one ... or two... or three. I could make the same argument about just about any car except a 4 cylinder family sedan. Would you ban sports cars? They have no function except being cool to have and they kill many times more people than AR 15s. Should people have to justify having a truck or SUV with a specific need? I guarantee you there are plenty of environmentalists who would sign on to that legislation. Hard core greenies would ban cars altogether to save the planet. The slope really starts getting slippery when you start banning things, simply because of perceptions,. There you go again, with your nonsensical comparison of car and gun deaths, one a transportation device and the other a device whose primary purpose is to kill. Sheesh. HEY!Â* I said it first!Â*Â* :-) My apologies for having the same thought. :) |
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On 2/23/18 12:59 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/23/2018 12:13 PM, wrote: On Fri, 23 Feb 2018 06:04:07 -0800 (PST), Its Me wrote: On Friday, February 23, 2018 at 12:42:43 AM UTC-5, wrote: On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 20:44:53 -0800 (PST), Its Me wrote: A basic "starter kit" AR is $400-500.Â* You have to assemble it (the lower).Â* A good assembled AR is about $1000. Building one is easy.Â* Once you've done it, you can build a lower in ~20 minutes.Â* The upper, if you have the couple of tools required, shouldn't take more than that. Rural King will sell you a S&W M&P for $500 ready to go, no assembly necessary. I even see them less on sale occasionally. The M&P Sport model is their least expensive and it retails for $739, with a street price of $600+.Â* Rural King seems to be selling them for less than anyone else I've seen. I think Walmart matches their price or is very close. I really have no interest in ARs so I don't pay that much attention. In that regard I almost agree with Richard but I also realize it is none of my business what others want to do. I understand a homicidal maniac can buy a prettier gun, like a ranch rifle and do exactly the same damage. (same ammo, same rate of fire, same size magazines) We keep forgetting, the first "school shooter" most people remember killed 14 people and wounded 31 with a bolt action Remington 700. (Charles Whitman) For some reason the ability to run down to WalMart to buy an AR-15 type rifleÂ* blows my mind. It's perfect. You can get your Duck Dynasty tee-shirt there, I am sure, plus a raffle ticket with a chance to marry Bristol Palin. |
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On Friday, 23 February 2018 12:36:05 UTC-4, Bill wrote:
True North wrote: On Thursday, 22 February 2018 21:58:50 UTC-4, Its Me wrote: snip... If you want to lessen the ability of sick people to do these types of mass shootings, you'll have to strip all firearms from the US. Every long gun, pistol, shotgun... everything. It'll take decades. snip... Bingo! Now you're finally talking sense...didn't know y'all had it in you. Simple fact...too many Americans just can't be trusted with firearms so the rest of y'all have to suffer for the common good. How about you and your firearm? Been a few school shootings and even a major knife attack in your lands. Get rid of firearms and knives. Oh yeah, ban rental trucks, they have been used to mow down pedestrians not in the street. It is a breakdown of society. I'll have to parrot Mr Luddite and Harry here. The main purpose of a rental truck is to move things...the main purpose of all your guns is to kill things. Get it? |
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Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/23/2018 8:01 AM, John H. wrote: On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 22:59:44 -0500, wrote: On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 14:14:26 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 2/22/2018 1:21 PM, wrote: On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 11:33:58 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: On 2/22/18 11:24 AM, wrote: On Thu, 22 Feb 2018 08:57:24 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: On 2/21/18 9:51 PM, wrote: Everyone still seems to avoid the fact that this is a kid problem, not a gun problem. When I was in K-12 lots of kids had easy access to guns. We were hunting at 14 and this was within a mile of the DC line, not wyoming. Nobody shot anyone. It was not even in our wildest scope of thought. It is a societal problem, exacerbated by the easy availability of most high-powered firearms. Even in Maryland, there is no state background check for a long gun, or even a waiting period. You just have to be 21. And, of course, a long gun sale from one private owner to another in this state doesn't require any state paperwork. Tell you a secret. I got rid of my "high-powered" rifles, the Colt and the Ruger, because they bored me. Basically, my target shooting is limited to 100 yards unless I want to take a 2-1/2 hour drive out to the Shenandoah. I don't need superfast, superloud .223 rounds and their expense and noise to hit easily hit dead .targets at 100 yards or less. A .22LR, a 9 mm, or a .357 MAG will do that job nicely. That is simply rationalizing. Plenty of mass shootings have happened with 9mms, usually pistols but your assault rifle would do just fine. The "military style" thing is really a red herring. Your CZ is certainly "military style" and they will sell you a tactical style stock for just about anything. You can certainly make a very "military" looking weapon out of a Mini14 or even a 10-22. What part is "rationalizing"? The AR-15 is the school shoot up weapon of choice. Any idiot can buy a long gun privately in many parts of this country without any background check or waiting period. I didn't mention "military style." You did. Richard is stuck on the military thing, along with most of the left. Yes, I am sure some moron can shoot up a school with a CZ Scorpion, but a $900 9mm rifle is not a weapon of choice for that sort of "fun." If that is what they had, that is what they would use. The Columbine boys used a similar Hi Point carbine. I am not stuck on the "military thing". The military should have the most lethal weapons available. I am stuck on military type AR-15s available for civilian purchase because they have a record of being the weapons of choice for these mass shootings more often than not. I don't know why they hold such a fascination for nut cases who want to go kill a bunch of people but they do. Maybe it's because they are cheap, heavily marketed and available as you have pointed out. === I think the high capacity magazines have a lot to do with it, along with relatively small size, high power and reliability. --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com I'd have no problem with outlawing them also. Again, I don't think it would be effective, but it would be 'perceived' as taking action. More than a ineffective perception, it might be the start of an awareness that not all guns are suitable or designed for civilian recreational use. It could be the beginning of a more rational attitude about firearms without risking 2nd Amendment "rights". I know this offends many here but I can't think of a legitimate use of a AK-15 style rifle by recreational shooters other than they are "COOL" to have and the government, in the interest of the rest of the population, can't do a damn thing about having one ... or two... or three. The 2nd amendment was not for hunting. |
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True North wrote:
On Friday, 23 February 2018 12:36:05 UTC-4, Bill wrote: True North wrote: On Thursday, 22 February 2018 21:58:50 UTC-4, Its Me wrote: snip... If you want to lessen the ability of sick people to do these types of mass shootings, you'll have to strip all firearms from the US. Every long gun, pistol, shotgun... everything. It'll take decades. snip... Bingo! Now you're finally talking sense...didn't know y'all had it in you. Simple fact...too many Americans just can't be trusted with firearms so the rest of y'all have to suffer for the common good. How about you and your firearm? Been a few school shootings and even a major knife attack in your lands. Get rid of firearms and knives. Oh yeah, ban rental trucks, they have been used to mow down pedestrians not in the street. It is a breakdown of society. I'll have to parrot Mr Luddite and Harry here. The main purpose of a rental truck is to move things...the main purpose of all your guns is to kill things. Get it? The main purpose of the 2nd amendment is to keep government in check. |
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Bill wrote:
True North wrote: On Friday, 23 February 2018 12:36:05 UTC-4, Bill wrote: True North wrote: On Thursday, 22 February 2018 21:58:50 UTC-4, Its Me wrote: snip... If you want to lessen the ability of sick people to do these types of mass shootings, you'll have to strip all firearms from the US. Every long gun, pistol, shotgun... everything. It'll take decades. snip... Bingo! Now you're finally talking sense...didn't know y'all had it in you. Simple fact...too many Americans just can't be trusted with firearms so the rest of y'all have to suffer for the common good. How about you and your firearm? Been a few school shootings and even a major knife attack in your lands. Get rid of firearms and knives. Oh yeah, ban rental trucks, they have been used to mow down pedestrians not in the street. It is a breakdown of society. I'll have to parrot Mr Luddite and Harry here. The main purpose of a rental truck is to move things...the main purpose of all your guns is to kill things. Get it? The main purpose of the 2nd amendment is to keep government in check. That’s a laugh. -- Posted with my iPhone 8+. |
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