News reports now indicate that it was well known that Cruz was a messed
up kid and has a history of treatment at a mental health facility. He
told police "the Demons made me do it".

Lot of good the shrinks/therapists did for him or the 17 people who died
at the school in Florida Wednesday.

On 2/16/18 7:17 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

News reports now indicate that it was well known that Cruz was a messed
up kid and has a history of treatment at a mental health facility.Â* He
told police "the Demons made me do it".

Lot of good the shrinks/therapists did for him or the 17 people who died
Â*at the school in Florida Wednesday.


You don't know why he was referred for treatment.
You don't know if he was Baker-acted.
You don't know what his evaluation was.
You don't know what sort of treatment he received.
You don't know how many treatment sessions he received.
You don't know the credentials of whoever treated him.
You don't know if there was appropriate follow-up.

You don't know ****.

But you continue to give cover to Trump.

On Fri, 16 Feb 2018 08:01:53 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 2/16/18 7:17 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

News reports now indicate that it was well known that Cruz was a messed
up kid and has a history of treatment at a mental health facility.* He
told police "the Demons made me do it".

Lot of good the shrinks/therapists did for him or the 17 people who died
*at the school in Florida Wednesday.


You don't know why he was referred for treatment.
You don't know if he was Baker-acted.
You don't know what his evaluation was.
You don't know what sort of treatment he received.
You don't know how many treatment sessions he received.
You don't know the credentials of whoever treated him.
You don't know if there was appropriate follow-up.

You don't know ****.

But you continue to give cover to Trump.

Sure seems like you're the one doing the covering...for ineffectual shrinks.

On 2/16/2018 8:14 AM, John H. wrote:
On Fri, 16 Feb 2018 08:01:53 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 2/16/18 7:17 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

News reports now indicate that it was well known that Cruz was a messed
up kid and has a history of treatment at a mental health facility.Â* He
told police "the Demons made me do it".

Lot of good the shrinks/therapists did for him or the 17 people who died
Â*at the school in Florida Wednesday.


You don't know why he was referred for treatment.
You don't know if he was Baker-acted.
You don't know what his evaluation was.
You don't know what sort of treatment he received.
You don't know how many treatment sessions he received.
You don't know the credentials of whoever treated him.
You don't know if there was appropriate follow-up.

You don't know ****.

But you continue to give cover to Trump.



Sure seems like you're the one doing the covering...for ineffectual shrinks.


Obviously the mental health "professionals" either missed the
seriousness of his condition .... or failed to report it. There are
also reports that law enforcement had to visit his residence many times.
All the dots are there. The failure was connecting them.

And for Harry, sitting in my Bozo Bin: What has this got to do with Trump?

On 2/16/18 8:25 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/16/2018 8:14 AM, John H. wrote:
On Fri, 16 Feb 2018 08:01:53 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 2/16/18 7:17 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

News reports now indicate that it was well known that Cruz was a messed
up kid and has a history of treatment at a mental health facility.Â* He
told police "the Demons made me do it".

Lot of good the shrinks/therapists did for him or the 17 people who
died
Â* Â*at the school in Florida Wednesday.


You don't know why he was referred for treatment.
You don't know if he was Baker-acted.
You don't know what his evaluation was.
You don't know what sort of treatment he received.
You don't know how many treatment sessions he received.
You don't know the credentials of whoever treated him.
You don't know if there was appropriate follow-up.

You don't know ****.

But you continue to give cover to Trump.



Sure seems like you're the one doing the covering...for ineffectual
shrinks.


Obviously the mental health "professionals" either missed the
seriousness of his condition .... or failed to report it.Â* There are
also reports that law enforcement had to visit his residence many times.
All the dots are there.Â* The failure was connecting them.

And for Harry, sitting in my Bozo Bin:Â* What has this got to do with Trump?





The questions I raised remain. You don't know **** about Cruz or about
the legal processes that have to be followed for *requiring* an
evaluation or treatment or what an individual has to say for the police
to be called in. And, since you don't know generally or the particulars
in this case, you are just spouting.

Florida's "Baker Act" and similar acts in other states do not allow much
latitude in forcing evaluation and further treatment after evaluation.

I notice you fellas, just like your hero, Trump, aren't mentioning the
easy availability of the sorts of firearms favored by these school,
church, parking lot, Vegas hotel shooters. You don't often read about
these sorts of horrors perpetrated by youngsters happening in Canada,
France, Great Britain, Australia, Germany, et cetera. This sort of
violence...mass murder committed by school kids and deranged adults...is
a peculiarly "American" phenom.

Here's an idea. Set up a fund to ask every American against gun violence
and loose gun laws to donate $5 to defeat Republican legislators who are
in the pocket of the NRA. Fifty million Americans donating $5 each would
put candidates in office who will put proper controls on the NRA and
those who oppose every rational idea to make us safer.

Keyser Soze
- show quoted text -


.....And, since you don't know generally or the particulars
in this case, you are just spouting.


____

Harry you should know. You’re an expert on “spouting�

On 2/16/2018 8:47 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/16/18 8:25 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/16/2018 8:14 AM, John H. wrote:
On Fri, 16 Feb 2018 08:01:53 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 2/16/18 7:17 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

News reports now indicate that it was well known that Cruz was a
messed
up kid and has a history of treatment at a mental health facility.Â* He
told police "the Demons made me do it".

Lot of good the shrinks/therapists did for him or the 17 people who
died
Â* Â*at the school in Florida Wednesday.


You don't know why he was referred for treatment.
You don't know if he was Baker-acted.
You don't know what his evaluation was.
You don't know what sort of treatment he received.
You don't know how many treatment sessions he received.
You don't know the credentials of whoever treated him.
You don't know if there was appropriate follow-up.

You don't know ****.

But you continue to give cover to Trump.



Sure seems like you're the one doing the covering...for ineffectual
shrinks.


Obviously the mental health "professionals" either missed the
seriousness of his condition .... or failed to report it.Â* There are
also reports that law enforcement had to visit his residence many times.
All the dots are there.Â* The failure was connecting them.

And for Harry, sitting in my Bozo Bin:Â* What has this got to do with
Trump?





The questions I raised remain. You don't know **** about Cruz or about
the legal processes that have to be followed for *requiring* an
evaluation or treatment or what an individual has to say for the police
to be called in. And, since you don't know generally or the particulars
in this case, you are just spouting.

Florida's "Baker Act" and similar acts in other states do not allow much
latitude in forcing evaluation and further treatment after evaluation.

I notice you fellas, just like your hero, Trump, aren't mentioning the
easy availability of the sorts of firearms favored by these school,
church, parking lot, Vegas hotel shooters. You don't often read about
these sorts of horrors perpetrated by youngsters happening in Canada,
France, Great Britain, Australia, Germany, et cetera. This sort of
violence...mass murder committed by school kids and deranged adults...is
a peculiarly "American" phenom.

Here's an idea. Set up a fund to ask every American against gun violence
and loose gun laws to donate $5 to defeat Republican legislators who are
in the pocket of the NRA. Fifty million Americans donating $5 each would
put candidates in office who will put proper controls on the NRA and
those who oppose every rational idea to make us safer.


What makes you think you are sane enough or responsible enough to be a
gun owner?

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Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/16/18 8:25 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/16/2018 8:14 AM, John H. wrote:
On Fri, 16 Feb 2018 08:01:53 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 2/16/18 7:17 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

News reports now indicate that it was well known that Cruz was a messed
up kid and has a history of treatment at a mental health facility.Â* He
told police "the Demons made me do it".

Lot of good the shrinks/therapists did for him or the 17 people who
died
Â* Â*at the school in Florida Wednesday.


You don't know why he was referred for treatment.
You don't know if he was Baker-acted.
You don't know what his evaluation was.
You don't know what sort of treatment he received.
You don't know how many treatment sessions he received.
You don't know the credentials of whoever treated him.
You don't know if there was appropriate follow-up.

You don't know ****.

But you continue to give cover to Trump.



Sure seems like you're the one doing the covering...for ineffectual
shrinks.


Obviously the mental health "professionals" either missed the
seriousness of his condition .... or failed to report it.Â* There are
also reports that law enforcement had to visit his residence many times.
All the dots are there.Â* The failure was connecting them.

And for Harry, sitting in my Bozo Bin:Â* What has this got to do with Trump?





The questions I raised remain. You don't know **** about Cruz or about
the legal processes that have to be followed for *requiring* an
evaluation or treatment or what an individual has to say for the police
to be called in. And, since you don't know generally or the particulars
in this case, you are just spouting.

Florida's "Baker Act" and similar acts in other states do not allow much
latitude in forcing evaluation and further treatment after evaluation.

I notice you fellas, just like your hero, Trump, aren't mentioning the
easy availability of the sorts of firearms favored by these school,
church, parking lot, Vegas hotel shooters. You don't often read about
these sorts of horrors perpetrated by youngsters happening in Canada,
France, Great Britain, Australia, Germany, et cetera. This sort of
violence...mass murder committed by school kids and deranged adults...is
a peculiarly "American" phenom.

Here's an idea. Set up a fund to ask every American against gun violence
and loose gun laws to donate $5 to defeat Republican legislators who are
in the pocket of the NRA. Fifty million Americans donating $5 each would
put candidates in office who will put proper controls on the NRA and
those who oppose every rational idea to make us safer.




Did those mental health professionals put his name in the do not buy
firearms database? Seems as if they could be liable for damages as he
legally bought the AR a year ago.

On Fri, 16 Feb 2018 08:47:15 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 2/16/18 8:25 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/16/2018 8:14 AM, John H. wrote:
On Fri, 16 Feb 2018 08:01:53 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 2/16/18 7:17 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

News reports now indicate that it was well known that Cruz was a messed
up kid and has a history of treatment at a mental health facility.Â* He
told police "the Demons made me do it".

Lot of good the shrinks/therapists did for him or the 17 people who
died
Â* Â*at the school in Florida Wednesday.


You don't know why he was referred for treatment.
You don't know if he was Baker-acted.
You don't know what his evaluation was.
You don't know what sort of treatment he received.
You don't know how many treatment sessions he received.
You don't know the credentials of whoever treated him.
You don't know if there was appropriate follow-up.

You don't know ****.

But you continue to give cover to Trump.



Sure seems like you're the one doing the covering...for ineffectual
shrinks.


Obviously the mental health "professionals" either missed the
seriousness of his condition .... or failed to report it.Â* There are
also reports that law enforcement had to visit his residence many times.
All the dots are there.Â* The failure was connecting them.

And for Harry, sitting in my Bozo Bin:Â* What has this got to do with Trump?





The questions I raised remain. You don't know **** about Cruz or about
the legal processes that have to be followed for *requiring* an
evaluation or treatment or what an individual has to say for the police
to be called in. And, since you don't know generally or the particulars
in this case, you are just spouting.

So after defending an ineffective FBI you are now defending a failing
mental health industry.

Florida's "Baker Act" and similar acts in other states do not allow much
latitude in forcing evaluation and further treatment after evaluation.

Bull****. It is just a revolving door where people *might* be held for
up to 72 hours but it seems to generally be over night. If they can
wake up feeling "all better" and survive a 20 minute "evaluation"
without ranting. biting foaming at the mouth or chewing on the
furniture, they get tossed back to the family or turned out on the
street. I am sure some medical professionals would disagree but this
is what the families and the cops who haul them in time after time
say.
If they can't maintain for a few hours, they stay for 3 days but they
still get kicked loose, particularly if they don't qualify for
Medicaid or have very good private insurance. A bronze plan is not
going to cut it.

I notice you fellas, just like your hero, Trump, aren't mentioning the
easy availability of the sorts of firearms favored by these school,
church, parking lot, Vegas hotel shooters. You don't often read about
these sorts of horrors perpetrated by youngsters happening in Canada,
France, Great Britain, Australia, Germany, et cetera. This sort of
violence...mass murder committed by school kids and deranged adults...is
a peculiarly "American" phenom.

"Murder" as a whole is an american problem. Life is cheap here. More
people are killed with bare hands here than get killed with these
"assault rifles" and twice as many people get killed with edged
weapons.
Most murders happen with handguns, not legally purchased and most are
involved with a violent drug trade or other gang activity. That is the
real thing that separates us from Europe. They can manage to sell
drugs without killing each other.

Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/16/18 8:25 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/16/2018 8:14 AM, John H. wrote:
On Fri, 16 Feb 2018 08:01:53 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 2/16/18 7:17 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

News reports now indicate that it was well known that Cruz was a
messed
up kid and has a history of treatment at a mental health
facility. He
told police "the Demons made me do it".

Lot of good the shrinks/therapists did for him or the 17 people
who died
at the school in Florida Wednesday.


You don't know why he was referred for treatment.
You don't know if he was Baker-acted.
You don't know what his evaluation was.
You don't know what sort of treatment he received.
You don't know how many treatment sessions he received.
You don't know the credentials of whoever treated him.
You don't know if there was appropriate follow-up.

You don't know ****.

But you continue to give cover to Trump.



Sure seems like you're the one doing the covering...for ineffectual
shrinks.


Obviously the mental health "professionals" either missed the
seriousness of his condition .... or failed to report it. There are
also reports that law enforcement had to visit his residence many times.
All the dots are there. The failure was connecting them.

And for Harry, sitting in my Bozo Bin: What has this got to do with
Trump?





The questions I raised remain. You don't know **** about Cruz or about
the legal processes that have to be followed for *requiring* an
evaluation or treatment or what an individual has to say for the
police to be called in. And, since you don't know generally or the
particulars in this case, you are just spouting.

Florida's "Baker Act" and similar acts in other states do not allow
much latitude in forcing evaluation and further treatment after
evaluation.

I notice you fellas, just like your hero, Trump, aren't mentioning the
easy availability of the sorts of firearms favored by these school,
church, parking lot, Vegas hotel shooters. You don't often read about
these sorts of horrors perpetrated by youngsters happening in Canada,
France, Great Britain, Australia, Germany, et cetera. This sort of
violence...mass murder committed by school kids and deranged
adults...is a peculiarly "American" phenom.

Here's an idea. Set up a fund to ask every American against gun
violence and loose gun laws to donate $5 to defeat Republican
legislators who are in the pocket of the NRA. Fifty million Americans
donating $5 each would put candidates in office who will put proper
controls on the NRA and those who oppose every rational idea to make
us safer.




If scary AR15's are taken off the shelves tomorrow that won't solve the
problem. The scary AR15 has a very small bullet but a high muzzle
velocity. The latter doesn't matter in a close quarters situation. A
Ruger 10/22 - millions sold and many kid's first rifle - is as deadly as
the scary AR15. Some say the the .22LR is deadlier due to the lower
velocity and resulting organ damage. They are available with 25+ round
magazines and the standard 10 round magazines are a quick change, too.
Then there are MAC10's, Kel-tec PMR30's, etc. It's not about the guns,
it's the people firing them.