News reports now indicate that it was well known that Cruz was a messed
up kid and has a history of treatment at a mental health facility. He
told police "the Demons made me do it".

Lot of good the shrinks/therapists did for him or the 17 people who died
at the school in Florida Wednesday.

On 2/16/18 7:17 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

News reports now indicate that it was well known that Cruz was a messed
up kid and has a history of treatment at a mental health facility.Â* He
told police "the Demons made me do it".

Lot of good the shrinks/therapists did for him or the 17 people who died
Â*at the school in Florida Wednesday.


You don't know why he was referred for treatment.
You don't know if he was Baker-acted.
You don't know what his evaluation was.
You don't know what sort of treatment he received.
You don't know how many treatment sessions he received.
You don't know the credentials of whoever treated him.
You don't know if there was appropriate follow-up.

You don't know ****.

But you continue to give cover to Trump.

On Fri, 16 Feb 2018 08:01:53 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 2/16/18 7:17 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

News reports now indicate that it was well known that Cruz was a messed
up kid and has a history of treatment at a mental health facility.* He
told police "the Demons made me do it".

Lot of good the shrinks/therapists did for him or the 17 people who died
*at the school in Florida Wednesday.


You don't know why he was referred for treatment.
You don't know if he was Baker-acted.
You don't know what his evaluation was.
You don't know what sort of treatment he received.
You don't know how many treatment sessions he received.
You don't know the credentials of whoever treated him.
You don't know if there was appropriate follow-up.

You don't know ****.

But you continue to give cover to Trump.

Sure seems like you're the one doing the covering...for ineffectual shrinks.

On 2/16/2018 7:17 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

News reports now indicate that it was well known that Cruz was a messed
up kid and has a history of treatment at a mental health facility.Â* He
told police "the Demons made me do it".

Lot of good the shrinks/therapists did for him or the 17 people who died
Â*at the school in Florida Wednesday.

Shrinks and therapists can't cure anything but they sure do get rich
pretending they can.

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On 2/16/2018 8:14 AM, John H. wrote:
On Fri, 16 Feb 2018 08:01:53 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 2/16/18 7:17 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

News reports now indicate that it was well known that Cruz was a messed
up kid and has a history of treatment at a mental health facility.Â* He
told police "the Demons made me do it".

Lot of good the shrinks/therapists did for him or the 17 people who died
Â*at the school in Florida Wednesday.


You don't know why he was referred for treatment.
You don't know if he was Baker-acted.
You don't know what his evaluation was.
You don't know what sort of treatment he received.
You don't know how many treatment sessions he received.
You don't know the credentials of whoever treated him.
You don't know if there was appropriate follow-up.

You don't know ****.

But you continue to give cover to Trump.



Sure seems like you're the one doing the covering...for ineffectual shrinks.


Obviously the mental health "professionals" either missed the
seriousness of his condition .... or failed to report it. There are
also reports that law enforcement had to visit his residence many times.
All the dots are there. The failure was connecting them.

And for Harry, sitting in my Bozo Bin: What has this got to do with Trump?

On 2/16/2018 8:18 AM, Justan Ohlphart wrote:
On 2/16/2018 7:17 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

News reports now indicate that it was well known that Cruz was a
messed up kid and has a history of treatment at a mental health
facility.Â* He told police "the Demons made me do it".

Lot of good the shrinks/therapists did for him or the 17 people who
died Â*Â*at the school in Florida Wednesday.

Shrinks and therapists can't cure anything but they sure do get rich
pretending they can.



I think there are many well intentioned and committed mental health
professionals. It's just not a well understood or mature science, even
by those who practice it, IMO.

Agreed, my experience is limited in dealing with them but one thing I
learned is that regardless of how laws are written, in order for a
person to be declared a threat to themselves or to others they pretty
much have to commit a crime before mental health professionals will
report they are in or are a danger.

HIPAA privacy laws need to be relaxed a bit, I think.

On 2/16/18 8:25 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/16/2018 8:14 AM, John H. wrote:
On Fri, 16 Feb 2018 08:01:53 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 2/16/18 7:17 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

News reports now indicate that it was well known that Cruz was a messed
up kid and has a history of treatment at a mental health facility.Â* He
told police "the Demons made me do it".

Lot of good the shrinks/therapists did for him or the 17 people who
died
Â* Â*at the school in Florida Wednesday.


You don't know why he was referred for treatment.
You don't know if he was Baker-acted.
You don't know what his evaluation was.
You don't know what sort of treatment he received.
You don't know how many treatment sessions he received.
You don't know the credentials of whoever treated him.
You don't know if there was appropriate follow-up.

You don't know ****.

But you continue to give cover to Trump.



Sure seems like you're the one doing the covering...for ineffectual
shrinks.


Obviously the mental health "professionals" either missed the
seriousness of his condition .... or failed to report it.Â* There are
also reports that law enforcement had to visit his residence many times.
All the dots are there.Â* The failure was connecting them.

And for Harry, sitting in my Bozo Bin:Â* What has this got to do with Trump?





The questions I raised remain. You don't know **** about Cruz or about
the legal processes that have to be followed for *requiring* an
evaluation or treatment or what an individual has to say for the police
to be called in. And, since you don't know generally or the particulars
in this case, you are just spouting.

Florida's "Baker Act" and similar acts in other states do not allow much
latitude in forcing evaluation and further treatment after evaluation.

I notice you fellas, just like your hero, Trump, aren't mentioning the
easy availability of the sorts of firearms favored by these school,
church, parking lot, Vegas hotel shooters. You don't often read about
these sorts of horrors perpetrated by youngsters happening in Canada,
France, Great Britain, Australia, Germany, et cetera. This sort of
violence...mass murder committed by school kids and deranged adults...is
a peculiarly "American" phenom.

Here's an idea. Set up a fund to ask every American against gun violence
and loose gun laws to donate $5 to defeat Republican legislators who are
in the pocket of the NRA. Fifty million Americans donating $5 each would
put candidates in office who will put proper controls on the NRA and
those who oppose every rational idea to make us safer.

On 2/16/2018 8:01 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/16/18 7:17 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

News reports now indicate that it was well known that Cruz was a
messed up kid and has a history of treatment at a mental health
facility.Â* He told police "the Demons made me do it".

Lot of good the shrinks/therapists did for him or the 17 people who
died Â*Â*at the school in Florida Wednesday.


You don't know why he was referred for treatment.
You don't know if he was Baker-acted.
You don't know what his evaluation was.
You don't know what sort of treatment he received.
You don't know how many treatment sessions he received.
You don't know the credentials of whoever treated him.
You don't know if there was appropriate follow-up.

You don't know ****.

But you continue to give cover to Trump.

Do you know if the shrinkers alerted the authorities about the sicko and
his demons? There seems to be some criminal negligence going on
regarding mental health facilities. Should we put some heads on pikes,
eh, Fat Harry?


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.....And, since you don't know generally or the particulars
in this case, you are just spouting.


____

Harry you should know. You’re an expert on “spouting�

On 2/16/2018 9:01 AM, Justan Ohlphart wrote:
On 2/16/2018 8:01 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/16/18 7:17 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

News reports now indicate that it was well known that Cruz was a
messed up kid and has a history of treatment at a mental health
facility.Â* He told police "the Demons made me do it".

Lot of good the shrinks/therapists did for him or the 17 people who
died Â*Â*at the school in Florida Wednesday.


You don't know why he was referred for treatment.
You don't know if he was Baker-acted.
You don't know what his evaluation was.
You don't know what sort of treatment he received.
You don't know how many treatment sessions he received.
You don't know the credentials of whoever treated him.
You don't know if there was appropriate follow-up.

You don't know ****.

But you continue to give cover to Trump.

Do you know if the shrinkers alerted the authorities about the sicko and
his demons? There seems to be some criminal negligence going on
regarding mental health facilities. Should we put some heads on pikes,
eh, Fat Harry?



May as well let Harry back out of the Bozo Bin so I can directly defend
myself from his accusations.

It doesn't matter if I or anyone else has knowledge of every detail
available to us to form an opinion .... and that's all I've done. I
understand Harry's sensitivity to this subject and I've never been
critical of his wife's profession or of the mental health profession in
general. All I've said is that it's not well understood, something that
even those who practice in the profession acknowledge. We can see it
often right now as the Florida shootings are discussed by shrinks in
interviews. When pressed for reasons Cruz acted as he did, they can
only speculate and admit that the actions of people with mental health
issues are not always clear or understood from a psychiatric point of
view. Lots of theories, that's all.

But to say that I or anyone else "don't know ****" about the subject is
just another one of Harry's "I am better than you, smarter than you"
attitudes that he has demonstrated in this newsgroup for over 20 years.

Geeze ... talk about mental health issues.