John H. wrote:
On Fri, 16 Feb 2018 08:01:53 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote:

On 2/16/18 7:17 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
News reports now indicate that it was well known that Cruz was a messed
up kid and has a history of treatment at a mental health facility. He
told police "the Demons made me do it".

Lot of good the shrinks/therapists did for him or the 17 people who died
at the school in Florida Wednesday.

You don't know why he was referred for treatment.
You don't know if he was Baker-acted.
You don't know what his evaluation was.
You don't know what sort of treatment he received.
You don't know how many treatment sessions he received.
You don't know the credentials of whoever treated him.
You don't know if there was appropriate follow-up.

You don't know ****.

But you continue to give cover to Trump.
Sure seems like you're the one doing the covering...for ineffectual shrinks.

And there are plenty of them.

On 2/16/2018 8:01 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/16/18 7:17 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

News reports now indicate that it was well known that Cruz was a
messed up kid and has a history of treatment at a mental health
facility.Â* He told police "the Demons made me do it".

Lot of good the shrinks/therapists did for him or the 17 people who
died Â*Â*at the school in Florida Wednesday.


You don't know why he was referred for treatment.
You don't know if he was Baker-acted.
You don't know what his evaluation was.
You don't know what sort of treatment he received.
You don't know how many treatment sessions he received.
You don't know the credentials of whoever treated him.
You don't know if there was appropriate follow-up.

You don't know ****.

But you continue to give cover to Trump.

Do you know if the shrinkers alerted the authorities about the sicko and
his demons? There seems to be some criminal negligence going on
regarding mental health facilities. Should we put some heads on pikes,
eh, Fat Harry?


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On 2/16/2018 9:01 AM, Justan Ohlphart wrote:
On 2/16/2018 8:01 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/16/18 7:17 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

News reports now indicate that it was well known that Cruz was a
messed up kid and has a history of treatment at a mental health
facility.Â* He told police "the Demons made me do it".

Lot of good the shrinks/therapists did for him or the 17 people who
died Â*Â*at the school in Florida Wednesday.


You don't know why he was referred for treatment.
You don't know if he was Baker-acted.
You don't know what his evaluation was.
You don't know what sort of treatment he received.
You don't know how many treatment sessions he received.
You don't know the credentials of whoever treated him.
You don't know if there was appropriate follow-up.

You don't know ****.

But you continue to give cover to Trump.

Do you know if the shrinkers alerted the authorities about the sicko and
his demons? There seems to be some criminal negligence going on
regarding mental health facilities. Should we put some heads on pikes,
eh, Fat Harry?



May as well let Harry back out of the Bozo Bin so I can directly defend
myself from his accusations.

It doesn't matter if I or anyone else has knowledge of every detail
available to us to form an opinion .... and that's all I've done. I
understand Harry's sensitivity to this subject and I've never been
critical of his wife's profession or of the mental health profession in
general. All I've said is that it's not well understood, something that
even those who practice in the profession acknowledge. We can see it
often right now as the Florida shootings are discussed by shrinks in
interviews. When pressed for reasons Cruz acted as he did, they can
only speculate and admit that the actions of people with mental health
issues are not always clear or understood from a psychiatric point of
view. Lots of theories, that's all.

But to say that I or anyone else "don't know ****" about the subject is
just another one of Harry's "I am better than you, smarter than you"
attitudes that he has demonstrated in this newsgroup for over 20 years.

Geeze ... talk about mental health issues.

On 2/16/18 9:43 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/16/2018 9:01 AM, Justan Ohlphart wrote:
On 2/16/2018 8:01 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/16/18 7:17 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

News reports now indicate that it was well known that Cruz was a
messed up kid and has a history of treatment at a mental health
facility.Â* He told police "the Demons made me do it".

Lot of good the shrinks/therapists did for him or the 17 people who
died Â*Â*at the school in Florida Wednesday.


You don't know why he was referred for treatment.
You don't know if he was Baker-acted.
You don't know what his evaluation was.
You don't know what sort of treatment he received.
You don't know how many treatment sessions he received.
You don't know the credentials of whoever treated him.
You don't know if there was appropriate follow-up.

You don't know ****.

But you continue to give cover to Trump.

Do you know if the shrinkers alerted the authorities about the sicko
and his demons? There seems to be some criminal negligence going on
regarding mental health facilities. Should we put some heads on pikes,
eh, Fat Harry?



May as well let Harry back out of the Bozo Bin so I can directly defend
myself from his accusations.

It doesn't matter if I or anyone else has knowledge of every detail
available to us to form an opinion .... and that's all I've done.Â* I
understand Harry's sensitivity to this subject and I've never been
critical of his wife's profession or of the mental health profession in
general.Â* All I've said is that it's not well understood, something that
even those who practice in the profession acknowledge. We can see it
often right now as the Florida shootings are discussed by shrinks in
interviews.Â* When pressed for reasons Cruz acted as he did, they can
only speculate and admit that the actions of people with mental health
issues are not always clear orÂ* understood from a psychiatric point of
view.Â* Lots of theories, that's all.

But to say that I or anyone else "don't know ****" about the subject is
just another one of Harry's "I am better than you, smarter than you"
attitudes that he has demonstrated in this newsgroup for over 20 years.

Geeze ... talk about mental health issues.




I don't know anyone in the biz who has ever claimed mental health issues
are completely understood. It is also true that very little about the
particulars of the mental health issues or treatment of Mr. Cruz have
been released. Most mental health issues, however, do not manifest
themselves in the ways those of Mr. Cruz has, assuming he does have
mental health issues. Many, maybe most people with serious mental health
issues that result in long-term hospitalization are shy and
introspective, and would not be the ones who act out with firearms.

We have serious firearm problems in this country.

Keyser Soze
- show quoted text -


We have serious firearm problems in this country.

——
Confiscation is the only answer. Harry be a leader by example and turn yours in. I’m sure you’ll feel better with a clear conscious

On 2/16/2018 10:00 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/16/18 9:43 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/16/2018 9:01 AM, Justan Ohlphart wrote:
On 2/16/2018 8:01 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/16/18 7:17 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

News reports now indicate that it was well known that Cruz was a
messed up kid and has a history of treatment at a mental health
facility.Â* He told police "the Demons made me do it".

Lot of good the shrinks/therapists did for him or the 17 people who
died Â*Â*at the school in Florida Wednesday.


You don't know why he was referred for treatment.
You don't know if he was Baker-acted.
You don't know what his evaluation was.
You don't know what sort of treatment he received.
You don't know how many treatment sessions he received.
You don't know the credentials of whoever treated him.
You don't know if there was appropriate follow-up.

You don't know ****.

But you continue to give cover to Trump.

Do you know if the shrinkers alerted the authorities about the sicko
and his demons? There seems to be some criminal negligence going on
regarding mental health facilities. Should we put some heads on
pikes, eh, Fat Harry?



May as well let Harry back out of the Bozo Bin so I can directly
defend myself from his accusations.

It doesn't matter if I or anyone else has knowledge of every detail
available to us to form an opinion .... and that's all I've done.Â* I
understand Harry's sensitivity to this subject and I've never been
critical of his wife's profession or of the mental health profession
in general.Â* All I've said is that it's not well understood, something
that even those who practice in the profession acknowledge. We can see
it often right now as the Florida shootings are discussed by shrinks
in interviews.Â* When pressed for reasons Cruz acted as he did, they
can only speculate and admit that the actions of people with mental
health issues are not always clear orÂ* understood from a psychiatric
point of view.Â* Lots of theories, that's all.

But to say that I or anyone else "don't know ****" about the subject
is just another one of Harry's "I am better than you, smarter than
you" attitudes that he has demonstrated in this newsgroup for over 20
years.

Geeze ... talk about mental health issues.




I don't know anyone in the biz who has ever claimed mental health issues
are completely understood. It is also true that very little about the
particulars of the mental health issues or treatment of Mr. Cruz have
been released. Most mental health issues, however, do not manifest
themselves in the ways those of Mr. Cruz has, assuming he does have
mental health issues. Many, maybe most people with serious mental health
issues that result in long-term hospitalization are shy and
introspective, and would not be the ones who act out with firearms.

We have serious firearm problems in this country.

Only when they are in the wrong hands.
The issue is not about guns. It is about known nut cases slipping
through the cracks.

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Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/16/18 9:43 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/16/2018 9:01 AM, Justan Ohlphart wrote:
On 2/16/2018 8:01 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/16/18 7:17 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

News reports now indicate that it was well known that Cruz was a
messed up kid and has a history of treatment at a mental health
facility.Â* He told police "the Demons made me do it".

Lot of good the shrinks/therapists did for him or the 17 people who
died Â*Â*at the school in Florida Wednesday.


You don't know why he was referred for treatment.
You don't know if he was Baker-acted.
You don't know what his evaluation was.
You don't know what sort of treatment he received.
You don't know how many treatment sessions he received.
You don't know the credentials of whoever treated him.
You don't know if there was appropriate follow-up.

You don't know ****.

But you continue to give cover to Trump.

Do you know if the shrinkers alerted the authorities about the sicko
and his demons? There seems to be some criminal negligence going on
regarding mental health facilities. Should we put some heads on pikes,
eh, Fat Harry?



May as well let Harry back out of the Bozo Bin so I can directly defend
myself from his accusations.

It doesn't matter if I or anyone else has knowledge of every detail
available to us to form an opinion .... and that's all I've done.Â* I
understand Harry's sensitivity to this subject and I've never been
critical of his wife's profession or of the mental health profession in
general.Â* All I've said is that it's not well understood, something that
even those who practice in the profession acknowledge. We can see it
often right now as the Florida shootings are discussed by shrinks in
interviews.Â* When pressed for reasons Cruz acted as he did, they can
only speculate and admit that the actions of people with mental health
issues are not always clear orÂ* understood from a psychiatric point of
view.Â* Lots of theories, that's all.

But to say that I or anyone else "don't know ****" about the subject is
just another one of Harry's "I am better than you, smarter than you"
attitudes that he has demonstrated in this newsgroup for over 20 years.

Geeze ... talk about mental health issues.




I don't know anyone in the biz who has ever claimed mental health issues
are completely understood. It is also true that very little about the
particulars of the mental health issues or treatment of Mr. Cruz have
been released. Most mental health issues, however, do not manifest
themselves in the ways those of Mr. Cruz has, assuming he does have
mental health issues. Many, maybe most people with serious mental health
issues that result in long-term hospitalization are shy and
introspective, and would not be the ones who act out with firearms.

We have serious firearm problems in this country.


We have serious mental health issues in this country. My late Mother in
law was BiPolar. From at least her teen years until she passed at 82.
Lots of treatment. Even electroshock in the 50’s. Lithium only real
help, and even under a doctors care got lithium poisoning. Look at the
amount of street people who,are allegedly there because of mental health
issues. Not one of those “mental health professionals “ seems to have a
real clue about what to do!

On Fri, 16 Feb 2018 10:00:25 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

We have serious firearm problems in this country.

We have a "crazy people" problem and a drug war problem. There are 300
million guns here and maybe 100 million gun owners that never killed
anyone.

On Friday, February 16, 2018 at 10:00:28 AM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:

Most mental health issues, however, do not manifest
themselves in the ways those of Mr. Cruz has, assuming he does have
mental health issues. Many, maybe most people with serious mental health
issues that result in long-term hospitalization are shy and
introspective, and would not be the ones who act out with firearms.

Complete and utter BS. Anyone that walks into a school and kills 17 people has a very serious mental health issue. It doesn't take a PhD to figure that out.

Many, maybe most people with serious mental health
issues that result in long-term hospitalization are shy and
introspective, and would not be the ones who act out with firearms.

Which has absolutely nothing to do with the people that *are* mentally ill and *do* act out with weapons and kill people.

Your wife may tell you that those poor people are really good and just need some treatment and understanding, but the fact is that many mentally ill people cannot be cured and do have a tendency to kill innocents.

Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/16/18 9:43 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 2/16/2018 9:01 AM, Justan Ohlphart wrote:
On 2/16/2018 8:01 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 2/16/18 7:17 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:

News reports now indicate that it was well known that Cruz was a
messed up kid and has a history of treatment at a mental health
facility. He told police "the Demons made me do it".

Lot of good the shrinks/therapists did for him or the 17 people
who died at the school in Florida Wednesday.


You don't know why he was referred for treatment.
You don't know if he was Baker-acted.
You don't know what his evaluation was.
You don't know what sort of treatment he received.
You don't know how many treatment sessions he received.
You don't know the credentials of whoever treated him.
You don't know if there was appropriate follow-up.

You don't know ****.

But you continue to give cover to Trump.

Do you know if the shrinkers alerted the authorities about the sicko
and his demons? There seems to be some criminal negligence going on
regarding mental health facilities. Should we put some heads on
pikes, eh, Fat Harry?



May as well let Harry back out of the Bozo Bin so I can directly
defend myself from his accusations.

It doesn't matter if I or anyone else has knowledge of every detail
available to us to form an opinion .... and that's all I've done. I
understand Harry's sensitivity to this subject and I've never been
critical of his wife's profession or of the mental health profession
in general. All I've said is that it's not well understood,
something that even those who practice in the profession acknowledge.
We can see it often right now as the Florida shootings are discussed
by shrinks in interviews. When pressed for reasons Cruz acted as he
did, they can only speculate and admit that the actions of people
with mental health issues are not always clear or understood from a
psychiatric point of view. Lots of theories, that's all.

But to say that I or anyone else "don't know ****" about the subject
is just another one of Harry's "I am better than you, smarter than
you" attitudes that he has demonstrated in this newsgroup for over 20
years.

Geeze ... talk about mental health issues.




I don't know anyone in the biz who has ever claimed mental health
issues are completely understood. It is also true that very little
about the particulars of the mental health issues or treatment of Mr.
Cruz have been released. Most mental health issues, however, do not
manifest themselves in the ways those of Mr. Cruz has, assuming he
does have mental health issues. Many, maybe most people with serious
mental health issues that result in long-term hospitalization are shy
and introspective, and would not be the ones who act out with firearms.

We have serious firearm problems in this country.


The only firearms problem in Parkland was the lack of armed security.