On 12/30/17 1:40 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/30/2017 1:29 PM, True North wrote:
On Saturday, 30 December 2017 13:33:29 UTC-4, Â* wrote:
On Sat, 30 Dec 2017 02:35:31 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 12/29/2017 9:06 PM, True North wrote:
On Friday, 29 December 2017 20:32:03 UTC-4, Mr. LudditeÂ* wrote:
On 12/29/2017 7:21 PM, Alex wrote:
Mr. Luddite wrote:

Rethinking my early morning Dunkin' Donuts run.

4 degrees F. right now with a wind chill of minus 5-10.


Got remote start on that Colorado?



Thankfully, yes.Â* This morning I let it run through two complete, 10
minute warm up cycles before I ventured out.Â* Temp had actually
dropped
another degree to 3.

Below a certain temp the remote starter also automatically turns
on the
seat heater which is nice.Â* Makes a big difference!



Â* From what I've read...warming up while sitting idling isn't good
for the vehicle or the environment.Â* They say it's better to drive
away slowly for the first 5-10 minutes.
I have a dedicated long extension cord that I use to plug in the
block heater. I bought an electric battery blanket also but haven't
installed it yet.
An hour before I go anywhere on mornings below -10C, I throw the
inside switch that controls 2 of my 3 outside plugs.Â* The
Highlander starts easily and warms up much faster.


Car manufacturers used to warn about idling a car for long periods
because it was bad for the catalytic converter.Â* Don't know if that's
true anymore as remote starters in cold climates have become very
popular.Â* I don't have a garage and when you use the remote start it
also turns on the windshield and rear window defroster full blast.
Without that benefit, I'd be sitting in the driveway for a while anyway
waiting to see where I was going.

In any event I only use it on these very cold mornings.Â* My total drive
to and from the local Dunkin's is only 10 minutes and I like doing it
without freezing my ass off.

I can see why the rest of the world is ****ed at Americans. You ran
your car for a half hour to take a 10 minute drive for a cup of coffee
and a doughnut. Maybe Uber should deliver doughnutsÂ* ;-)


Bingo!
Up here money is a little harder to come by...is worth less and we're
taxed higher on it.Â* Items also cost more...from the original vehicle
purchase to gasoline. It's very prudent and thrifty to think twice
about wasting it.
"Waste not...want not!"



I can't argue the merits of not wasting but really Don ... how much gas
do you think my truck burns at idle for 10 minutes for maybe 20 days of
the year?Â* Not much.Â* I could probably burn more in one day during the
summer towing a Bayliner to the launch ramp and back.Â*Â* :-)



No garage?

On Sat, 30 Dec 2017 13:35:22 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 12/30/2017 1:28 PM, John H wrote:
On Sat, 30 Dec 2017 12:33:23 -0500, wrote:

On Sat, 30 Dec 2017 02:35:31 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 12/29/2017 9:06 PM, True North wrote:
On Friday, 29 December 2017 20:32:03 UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/29/2017 7:21 PM, Alex wrote:
Mr. Luddite wrote:

Rethinking my early morning Dunkin' Donuts run.

4 degrees F. right now with a wind chill of minus 5-10.


Got remote start on that Colorado?



Thankfully, yes. This morning I let it run through two complete, 10
minute warm up cycles before I ventured out. Temp had actually dropped
another degree to 3.

Below a certain temp the remote starter also automatically turns on the
seat heater which is nice. Makes a big difference!



From what I've read...warming up while sitting idling isn't good for the vehicle or the environment. They say it's better to drive away slowly for the first 5-10 minutes.
I have a dedicated long extension cord that I use to plug in the block heater. I bought an electric battery blanket also but haven't installed it yet.
An hour before I go anywhere on mornings below -10C, I throw the inside switch that controls 2 of my 3 outside plugs. The Highlander starts easily and warms up much faster.


Car manufacturers used to warn about idling a car for long periods
because it was bad for the catalytic converter. Don't know if that's
true anymore as remote starters in cold climates have become very
popular. I don't have a garage and when you use the remote start it
also turns on the windshield and rear window defroster full blast.
Without that benefit, I'd be sitting in the driveway for a while anyway
waiting to see where I was going.

In any event I only use it on these very cold mornings. My total drive
to and from the local Dunkin's is only 10 minutes and I like doing it
without freezing my ass off.

I can see why the rest of the world is ****ed at Americans. You ran
your car for a half hour to take a 10 minute drive for a cup of coffee
and a doughnut. Maybe Uber should deliver doughnuts ;-)

Would that Uber guy be saving a lot of resources?

I can really empathize with this. I used to go to a local 7/11 every morning for coffee, when I was
stationed at Fort Belvoir. The manager and I would shoot the ****, and the coffee was always on the
house. He wouldn't let me pay. Said he really liked having a customer in the place at 5:30 AM. Made
him feel a bit more secure.



5:30 am is just about the time I arrive at Dunkin's every morning. The
girls there know my voice when I pull up to the order speaker and
automatically know what coffees and donuts to get. I gave the morning
crew there a $100 tip on Christmas Eve morning. They have to be there
before 4 am to receive the donuts that are made and then distributed by
truck. They probably have remote starters too. :-)


Good on ya! I've started getting coffee for the Salvation Army folks that say 'Merry Christmas' when
I go by. They also get something in the bucket. This year it seems like almost all of them said
'Merry Christmas' instead of the 'Happy Holidays' in the past.

True North Wrote in message:
On Saturday, 30 December 2017 13:33:29 UTC-4, wrote:
On Sat, 30 Dec 2017 02:35:31 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 12/29/2017 9:06 PM, True North wrote:
On Friday, 29 December 2017 20:32:03 UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/29/2017 7:21 PM, Alex wrote:
Mr. Luddite wrote:

Rethinking my early morning Dunkin' Donuts run.

4 degrees F. right now with a wind chill of minus 5-10.


Got remote start on that Colorado?



Thankfully, yes. This morning I let it run through two complete, 10
minute warm up cycles before I ventured out. Temp had actually dropped
another degree to 3.

Below a certain temp the remote starter also automatically turns on the
seat heater which is nice. Makes a big difference!



From what I've read...warming up while sitting idling isn't good for the vehicle or the environment. They say it's better to drive away slowly for the first 5-10 minutes.
I have a dedicated long extension cord that I use to plug in the block heater. I bought an electric battery blanket also but haven't installed it yet.
An hour before I go anywhere on mornings below -10C, I throw the inside switch that controls 2 of my 3 outside plugs. The Highlander starts easily and warms up much faster.


Car manufacturers used to warn about idling a car for long periods
because it was bad for the catalytic converter. Don't know if that's
true anymore as remote starters in cold climates have become very
popular. I don't have a garage and when you use the remote start it
also turns on the windshield and rear window defroster full blast.
Without that benefit, I'd be sitting in the driveway for a while anyway
waiting to see where I was going.

In any event I only use it on these very cold mornings. My total drive
to and from the local Dunkin's is only 10 minutes and I like doing it
without freezing my ass off.

I can see why the rest of the world is ****ed at Americans. You ran
your car for a half hour to take a 10 minute drive for a cup of coffee
and a doughnut. Maybe Uber should deliver doughnuts ;-)

Bingo!
Up here money is a little harder to come by...is worth less and we're taxed higher on it. Items also cost more...from the original vehicle purchase to gasoline. It's very prudent and thrifty to think twice about wasting it.
"Waste not...want not!"


How much have you wasted making beer runs for your kid and yourself?
--
x


----Android NewsGroup Reader----
http://usenet.sinaapp.com/

On Sat, 30 Dec 2017 10:29:28 -0800 (PST), True North wrote:

On Saturday, 30 December 2017 13:33:29 UTC-4, wrote:
On Sat, 30 Dec 2017 02:35:31 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 12/29/2017 9:06 PM, True North wrote:
On Friday, 29 December 2017 20:32:03 UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/29/2017 7:21 PM, Alex wrote:
Mr. Luddite wrote:

Rethinking my early morning Dunkin' Donuts run.

4 degrees F. right now with a wind chill of minus 5-10.


Got remote start on that Colorado?



Thankfully, yes. This morning I let it run through two complete, 10
minute warm up cycles before I ventured out. Temp had actually dropped
another degree to 3.

Below a certain temp the remote starter also automatically turns on the
seat heater which is nice. Makes a big difference!



From what I've read...warming up while sitting idling isn't good for the vehicle or the environment. They say it's better to drive away slowly for the first 5-10 minutes.
I have a dedicated long extension cord that I use to plug in the block heater. I bought an electric battery blanket also but haven't installed it yet.
An hour before I go anywhere on mornings below -10C, I throw the inside switch that controls 2 of my 3 outside plugs. The Highlander starts easily and warms up much faster.


Car manufacturers used to warn about idling a car for long periods
because it was bad for the catalytic converter. Don't know if that's
true anymore as remote starters in cold climates have become very
popular. I don't have a garage and when you use the remote start it
also turns on the windshield and rear window defroster full blast.
Without that benefit, I'd be sitting in the driveway for a while anyway
waiting to see where I was going.

In any event I only use it on these very cold mornings. My total drive
to and from the local Dunkin's is only 10 minutes and I like doing it
without freezing my ass off.

I can see why the rest of the world is ****ed at Americans. You ran
your car for a half hour to take a 10 minute drive for a cup of coffee
and a doughnut. Maybe Uber should deliver doughnuts ;-)

Bingo!
Up here money is a little harder to come by...is worth less and we're taxed higher on it. Items also cost more...from the original vehicle purchase to gasoline. It's very prudent and thrifty to think twice about wasting it.
"Waste not...want not!"

Don, why are you ragging him about getting coffee? I'll bet you burn much more fuel just getting
your Bayliner up on plane! Do you consider that a 'waste'?

On Saturday, 30 December 2017 14:53:57 UTC-4, justan wrote:
True North Wrote in message:
On Saturday, 30 December 2017 13:33:29 UTC-4, wrote:
On Sat, 30 Dec 2017 02:35:31 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 12/29/2017 9:06 PM, True North wrote:
On Friday, 29 December 2017 20:32:03 UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/29/2017 7:21 PM, Alex wrote:
Mr. Luddite wrote:

Rethinking my early morning Dunkin' Donuts run.

4 degrees F. right now with a wind chill of minus 5-10.


Got remote start on that Colorado?



Thankfully, yes. This morning I let it run through two complete, 10
minute warm up cycles before I ventured out. Temp had actually dropped
another degree to 3.

Below a certain temp the remote starter also automatically turns on the
seat heater which is nice. Makes a big difference!



From what I've read...warming up while sitting idling isn't good for the vehicle or the environment. They say it's better to drive away slowly for the first 5-10 minutes.
I have a dedicated long extension cord that I use to plug in the block heater. I bought an electric battery blanket also but haven't installed it yet.
An hour before I go anywhere on mornings below -10C, I throw the inside switch that controls 2 of my 3 outside plugs. The Highlander starts easily and warms up much faster.


Car manufacturers used to warn about idling a car for long periods
because it was bad for the catalytic converter. Don't know if that's
true anymore as remote starters in cold climates have become very
popular. I don't have a garage and when you use the remote start it
also turns on the windshield and rear window defroster full blast.
Without that benefit, I'd be sitting in the driveway for a while anyway
waiting to see where I was going.

In any event I only use it on these very cold mornings. My total drive
to and from the local Dunkin's is only 10 minutes and I like doing it
without freezing my ass off.

I can see why the rest of the world is ****ed at Americans. You ran
your car for a half hour to take a 10 minute drive for a cup of coffee
and a doughnut. Maybe Uber should deliver doughnuts ;-)

Bingo!
Up here money is a little harder to come by...is worth less and we're taxed higher on it. Items also cost more...from the original vehicle purchase to gasoline. It's very prudent and thrifty to think twice about wasting it.
"Waste not...want not!"


How much have you wasted making beer runs for your kid and yourself?
--
x


----Android NewsGroup Reader----
http://usenet.sinaapp.com/

Zero...Justine.
If I pick up a case of beer, I step into the NSLC store attached to the grocery store we're shopping at.

On Saturday, 30 December 2017 14:40:27 UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/30/2017 1:29 PM, True North wrote:
On Saturday, 30 December 2017 13:33:29 UTC-4, wrote:
On Sat, 30 Dec 2017 02:35:31 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 12/29/2017 9:06 PM, True North wrote:
On Friday, 29 December 2017 20:32:03 UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/29/2017 7:21 PM, Alex wrote:
Mr. Luddite wrote:

Rethinking my early morning Dunkin' Donuts run.

4 degrees F. right now with a wind chill of minus 5-10.


Got remote start on that Colorado?



Thankfully, yes. This morning I let it run through two complete, 10
minute warm up cycles before I ventured out. Temp had actually dropped
another degree to 3.

Below a certain temp the remote starter also automatically turns on the
seat heater which is nice. Makes a big difference!



From what I've read...warming up while sitting idling isn't good for the vehicle or the environment. They say it's better to drive away slowly for the first 5-10 minutes.
I have a dedicated long extension cord that I use to plug in the block heater. I bought an electric battery blanket also but haven't installed it yet.
An hour before I go anywhere on mornings below -10C, I throw the inside switch that controls 2 of my 3 outside plugs. The Highlander starts easily and warms up much faster.


Car manufacturers used to warn about idling a car for long periods
because it was bad for the catalytic converter. Don't know if that's
true anymore as remote starters in cold climates have become very
popular. I don't have a garage and when you use the remote start it
also turns on the windshield and rear window defroster full blast.
Without that benefit, I'd be sitting in the driveway for a while anyway
waiting to see where I was going.

In any event I only use it on these very cold mornings. My total drive
to and from the local Dunkin's is only 10 minutes and I like doing it
without freezing my ass off.

I can see why the rest of the world is ****ed at Americans. You ran
your car for a half hour to take a 10 minute drive for a cup of coffee
and a doughnut. Maybe Uber should deliver doughnuts ;-)


Bingo!
Up here money is a little harder to come by...is worth less and we're taxed higher on it. Items also cost more...from the original vehicle purchase to gasoline. It's very prudent and thrifty to think twice about wasting it.
"Waste not...want not!"



I can't argue the merits of not wasting but really Don ... how much gas
do you think my truck burns at idle for 10 minutes for maybe 20 days of
the year? Not much. I could probably burn more in one day during the
summer towing a Bayliner to the launch ramp and back. :-)

I'm sure you remember the good days of the manual and then auto chokes. At cold temperatures those things would restrict the air to fuel ratio to spit way more gas into the carb so the vehicle would start and run while very cold. It's probably a bit better with fuel injectors these days but still....a richer mixture would be used until the vehicle warms up. Result... waste more gas and pollute the air more. Gas is just too darn cheap in the USA.

On 12/30/2017 1:43 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 12/30/17 1:40 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/30/2017 1:29 PM, True North wrote:
On Saturday, 30 December 2017 13:33:29 UTC-4, Â* wrote:
On Sat, 30 Dec 2017 02:35:31 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 12/29/2017 9:06 PM, True North wrote:
On Friday, 29 December 2017 20:32:03 UTC-4, Mr. LudditeÂ* wrote:
On 12/29/2017 7:21 PM, Alex wrote:
Mr. Luddite wrote:

Rethinking my early morning Dunkin' Donuts run.

4 degrees F. right now with a wind chill of minus 5-10.


Got remote start on that Colorado?



Thankfully, yes.Â* This morning I let it run through two complete, 10
minute warm up cycles before I ventured out.Â* Temp had actually
dropped
another degree to 3.

Below a certain temp the remote starter also automatically turns
on the
seat heater which is nice.Â* Makes a big difference!



Â* From what I've read...warming up while sitting idling isn't good
for the vehicle or the environment.Â* They say it's better to drive
away slowly for the first 5-10 minutes.
I have a dedicated long extension cord that I use to plug in the
block heater. I bought an electric battery blanket also but
haven't installed it yet.
An hour before I go anywhere on mornings below -10C, I throw the
inside switch that controls 2 of my 3 outside plugs.Â* The
Highlander starts easily and warms up much faster.


Car manufacturers used to warn about idling a car for long periods
because it was bad for the catalytic converter.Â* Don't know if that's
true anymore as remote starters in cold climates have become very
popular.Â* I don't have a garage and when you use the remote start it
also turns on the windshield and rear window defroster full blast.
Without that benefit, I'd be sitting in the driveway for a while
anyway
waiting to see where I was going.

In any event I only use it on these very cold mornings.Â* My total
drive
to and from the local Dunkin's is only 10 minutes and I like doing it
without freezing my ass off.

I can see why the rest of the world is ****ed at Americans. You ran
your car for a half hour to take a 10 minute drive for a cup of coffee
and a doughnut. Maybe Uber should deliver doughnutsÂ* ;-)


Bingo!
Up here money is a little harder to come by...is worth less and we're
taxed higher on it.Â* Items also cost more...from the original vehicle
purchase to gasoline. It's very prudent and thrifty to think twice
about wasting it.
"Waste not...want not!"



I can't argue the merits of not wasting but really Don ... how much
gas do you think my truck burns at idle for 10 minutes for maybe 20
days of the year?Â* Not much.Â* I could probably burn more in one day
during the summer towing a Bayliner to the launch ramp and back.Â*Â* :-)



No garage?

Nope. Last house had a 2 car attached garage and another two car garage
attached to the horse barn. Only time we had cars in either of them was
when I was on my classic car collection kick. Otherwise, the garages
were used for other things but not for putting cars in.

On 12/30/2017 1:42 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 12/30/17 1:35 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/30/2017 1:28 PM, John H wrote:
On Sat, 30 Dec 2017 12:33:23 -0500, wrote:

On Sat, 30 Dec 2017 02:35:31 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 12/29/2017 9:06 PM, True North wrote:
On Friday, 29 December 2017 20:32:03 UTC-4, Mr. LudditeÂ* wrote:
On 12/29/2017 7:21 PM, Alex wrote:
Mr. Luddite wrote:

Rethinking my early morning Dunkin' Donuts run.

4 degrees F. right now with a wind chill of minus 5-10.


Got remote start on that Colorado?



Thankfully, yes.Â* This morning I let it run through two complete, 10
minute warm up cycles before I ventured out.Â* Temp had actually
dropped
another degree to 3.

Below a certain temp the remote starter also automatically turns
on the
seat heater which is nice.Â* Makes a big difference!



Â* From what I've read...warming up while sitting idling isn't good
for the vehicle or the environment.Â* They say it's better to drive
away slowly for the first 5-10 minutes.
I have a dedicated long extension cord that I use to plug in the
block heater. I bought an electric battery blanket also but
haven't installed it yet.
An hour before I go anywhere on mornings below -10C, I throw the
inside switch that controls 2 of my 3 outside plugs.Â* The
Highlander starts easily and warms up much faster.


Car manufacturers used to warn about idling a car for long periods
because it was bad for the catalytic converter.Â* Don't know if that's
true anymore as remote starters in cold climates have become very
popular.Â* I don't have a garage and when you use the remote start it
also turns on the windshield and rear window defroster full blast.
Without that benefit, I'd be sitting in the driveway for a while
anyway
waiting to see where I was going.

In any event I only use it on these very cold mornings.Â* My total
drive
to and from the local Dunkin's is only 10 minutes and I like doing it
without freezing my ass off.

I can see why the rest of the world is ****ed at Americans. You ran
your car for a half hour to take a 10 minute drive for a cup of coffee
and a doughnut. Maybe Uber should deliver doughnutsÂ* ;-)

Would that Uber guy be saving a lot of resources?

I can really empathize with this. I used to go to a local 7/11 every
morning for coffee, when I was
stationed at Fort Belvoir. The manager and I would shoot the ****,
and the coffee was always on the
house. He wouldn't let me pay. Said he really liked having a customer
in the place at 5:30 AM. Made
him feel a bit more secure.



5:30 am is just about the time I arrive at Dunkin's every morning.
The girls there know my voice when I pull up to the order speaker and
automatically know what coffees and donuts to get.Â* I gave the morning
crew there a $100 tip on Christmas Eve morning.Â* They have to be there
before 4 am to receive the donuts that are made and then distributed
by truck.Â* They probably have remote starters too.Â* :-)




I remember the days when the donuts were made fresh in the store. I
don't eat them anymore, but I did read a couple of years ago that the
donut dough was frozen and delivered that way to the stores. I use to
like the thin, cruller-like, round donuts. Haven't had one in at least a
decade.


Actually, I don't normally get a doughnut. I get a large iced coffee,
cream, two sugars and that's it. Mrs.E. likes having a donut with her
large, black, hot coffee and she can afford it. She has trouble keeping
her weight up. Me .. I have the opposite problem, so I have to be careful.

On Saturday, 30 December 2017 14:59:21 UTC-4, John H wrote:
On Sat, 30 Dec 2017 10:29:28 -0800 (PST), True North wrote:

On Saturday, 30 December 2017 13:33:29 UTC-4, wrote:
On Sat, 30 Dec 2017 02:35:31 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 12/29/2017 9:06 PM, True North wrote:
On Friday, 29 December 2017 20:32:03 UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/29/2017 7:21 PM, Alex wrote:
Mr. Luddite wrote:

Rethinking my early morning Dunkin' Donuts run.

4 degrees F. right now with a wind chill of minus 5-10.


Got remote start on that Colorado?



Thankfully, yes. This morning I let it run through two complete, 10
minute warm up cycles before I ventured out. Temp had actually dropped
another degree to 3.

Below a certain temp the remote starter also automatically turns on the
seat heater which is nice. Makes a big difference!



From what I've read...warming up while sitting idling isn't good for the vehicle or the environment. They say it's better to drive away slowly for the first 5-10 minutes.
I have a dedicated long extension cord that I use to plug in the block heater. I bought an electric battery blanket also but haven't installed it yet.
An hour before I go anywhere on mornings below -10C, I throw the inside switch that controls 2 of my 3 outside plugs. The Highlander starts easily and warms up much faster.


Car manufacturers used to warn about idling a car for long periods
because it was bad for the catalytic converter. Don't know if that's
true anymore as remote starters in cold climates have become very
popular. I don't have a garage and when you use the remote start it
also turns on the windshield and rear window defroster full blast.
Without that benefit, I'd be sitting in the driveway for a while anyway
waiting to see where I was going.

In any event I only use it on these very cold mornings. My total drive
to and from the local Dunkin's is only 10 minutes and I like doing it
without freezing my ass off.

I can see why the rest of the world is ****ed at Americans. You ran
your car for a half hour to take a 10 minute drive for a cup of coffee
and a doughnut. Maybe Uber should deliver doughnuts ;-)

Bingo!
Up here money is a little harder to come by...is worth less and we're taxed higher on it. Items also cost more...from the original vehicle purchase to gasoline. It's very prudent and thrifty to think twice about wasting it.

On Sat, 30 Dec 2017 10:20:34 -0500 (EST), justan wrote:

Every half decent auto parts or hardware store carries block heaters.
When I bought the RAV4 in 2009, I insisted that they throw in a block heater along with other accessories. My 2013 Highlander already came equipped with one.


Fraid not. In fact, it's difficult to find a snow shovel south of
the Mason/Dixon line.
--

That would really be south of the Ga/Fl state line on the snow shovel
but true about block heaters.
I had to get an Indiana inlaw send me one of those Lexan ice scrapers
for cleaning barnacles off my boat (before I put in the lift).