Keyser Soze wrote:
On 12/17/17 12:44 PM, Its Me wrote:
On Sunday, December 17, 2017 at 12:39:10 PM UTC-5, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 12/17/17 12:09 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 17 Dec 2017 05:15:03 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

It's interesting that of the 35 major denominations of Christianity in
the United States you focus on one of the smallest ...evangelical ...
with your complaints about shoving religion down your throat. Of the
others, I don't know of any that purposely go out and try to convert
anyone. Maybe there are a few but I've never heard of it or experienced
it.

https://undergod.procon.org/view.background-resource.php?resourceID=000087

Harry thinks any thing remotte;y related to religion is "ramming Jesus
down his throat".
I bet he thinks this is a great policy
https://www.campusreform.org/?ID=10278



I may laugh at beliefs based on speculation and superstition and
hypocrisy, but it doesn't bother me until or unless it intrudes into
public policy, is supported by tax dollars, influences laws, et cetera.
I don't give a ****, really, what "religious folk" practice in their
churches, religious schools, homes, et cetera. I just wish they'd keep
it in those venues.

But you have no problem with non-religious folk injecting their beliefs
into public policy, especially when it coincides with your beliefs.
Funny how that works, eh?


Non-religious folks aren't injecting religious beliefs, ****-for-brains.
The Constitution calls for *separation* of religion and state. Go read it.


Where does it state “separation�? I read where there will not be a state
designated religion, and people have freedom of religious expression.

On Sun, 17 Dec 2017 14:08:18 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:


We stopped reciting that pledge in public school after it was modified
but a couple of teachers said we could recite it without the "under god"
nonsense, so we did. I vaguely recall one grammar school teacher getting
a mild reprimand for for having the kids recite "The Lord's Prayer"
aloud at the beginning of the school day, but that was also stopped.

Once we got out of grammar school and into 7th grade junior high, that
nonsense stopped altogether.

That was certainly not true in the DC public school system (PG
either). We did the pledge and the Lord's Prayer from K to 6.
It was never a home room thing in 7.
I am surprised at your school not doing it in the 50s ... Comrade!
;-).

Keyser Soze wrote:
On 12/17/17 1:32 PM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/17/2017 12:39 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 12/17/17 12:09 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 17 Dec 2017 05:15:03 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

It's interesting that of the 35 major denominations of Christianity in
the United States you focus on one of the smallest ...evangelical ...
with your complaints about shoving religion down your throat.Â* Of the
others, I don't know of any that purposely go out and try to convert
anyone.Â* Maybe there are a few but I've never heard of it or
experienced
it.

https://undergod.procon.org/view.background-resource.php?resourceID=000087


Harry thinks any thing remotte;y related to religion is "ramming Jesus
down his throat".
I bet he thinks this is a great policy
https://www.campusreform.org/?ID=10278



I may laugh at beliefs based on speculation and superstition and
hypocrisy, but it doesn't bother me until or unless it intrudes into
public policy, is supported by tax dollars, influences laws, et
cetera. I don't give a ****, really, what "religious folk" practice in
their churches, religious schools, homes, et cetera. I just wish
they'd keep it in those venues.


"One Nation, under God ...."

Probably the worst mistake of the Eisenhower presidency. And sadly
funny. After all, with no proof of the existence of any god, it might
have been termed, one nation under Zeus or one nation under Ra, or some
Egyptian stone god. And if there were a god, how would a mere mortal
know whether his or her nation were under it?

I think the pledge as modified in the Eisenhower presidency violates the
Establishment Clause.


Did not establish a state religion.

Keyser Soze wrote:
On 12/17/17 2:11 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 17 Dec 2017 17:55:55 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:


Very limited definition of “disciplined�. Engineering is considered a
discipline, and probably a more disciplined course of study than 90%of the
Liberal Arts studies.

When you are talking classic math and some aspects of science
"discipline" is an admirable trait but if you are too disciplined in
believing what is true now, will always be true, even science will not
advance. It was not that long ago that "science" believed we could not
break the sound barrier or split the atom. They could prove it to you
on paper. Those "facts" became obsolete in a little over a decade.


I wasn't talking about discipline as Bill "defined" it. I was describing
a carefully thought out plan of study.


Bull****. I described a very disciplined course of study. What really
disciplined courses are most liberal arts degree programs.

On Sun, 17 Dec 2017 14:48:33 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

Fortunately, we have the ACLU to fight religious nonsense.


Funny that when "under God" was added to the pledge in 1954 the ACLU
had no objections. They thought it was just fine.

Yup Harry's people always say these are recent things and it is true
"Under God" in the pledge and "in God We Trust" on paper money came in
the mid 50s (although it has been on coins since the Civil War).
The thing they ignore is the stretching of the establishment clause to
include the states did not come until the 60s by the Warren court, 100
years after the 14th amendment was ratified. It took a century to
think that one up. It is the new kid on the street so to speak.
The open question might be how would the Roberts court rule,
particularly if Trump gets to replace Ginsberg.

On Sun, 17 Dec 2017 15:21:28 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 12/17/17 2:11 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 17 Dec 2017 17:55:55 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:


Very limited definition of “disciplined�. Engineering is considered a
discipline, and probably a more disciplined course of study than 90%of the
Liberal Arts studies.

When you are talking classic math and some aspects of science
"discipline" is an admirable trait but if you are too disciplined in
believing what is true now, will always be true, even science will not
advance. It was not that long ago that "science" believed we could not
break the sound barrier or split the atom. They could prove it to you
on paper. Those "facts" became obsolete in a little over a decade.


I wasn't talking about discipline as Bill "defined" it. I was describing
a carefully thought out plan of study.

It seems to be what you mean tho. You want education to be by rote,
not using any critical thinking at all and you certainly would not
want to question a professor.

On Sun, 17 Dec 2017 15:23:15 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 12/17/17 2:24 PM, wrote:


Maybe someone should tell the leaders of Israel. They say it is a
Jewish state and their flag demonstrates that.
Only 21% of Israeli Arabs get to vote.
I agree they will not remain a Jewish state if they actually let all
of the Arabs there vote because they will lose all of the elections.
It is the price you pay when you conquer your neighbors and assimilate
their population.



If the Arabs living in Israel are Israeli citizens, they get to vote.
21% of them anyway

On Sun, 17 Dec 2017 15:24:05 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

On 12/17/17 2:30 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 17 Dec 2017 12:53:46 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote:

Non-religious folks aren't injecting religious beliefs, ****-for-brains.
The Constitution calls for *separation* of religion and state. Go read it.

The words "separation of religion and state" do not exist in the 1st
amendment. You should "go read it"
It says "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of
religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; ..."
It is just revisionist thinkers like you who bend that around to suit
your beliefs. You really need more "discipline" in your reading
comprehension.



I didn't say it was written as you posted. I said it was called for.

As Scalia said, the constitution says what it says. Nowhere does it
say there is a separation between church and state. That is just one
opinion of what it may imply.

On Sun, 17 Dec 2017 23:41:57 -0000 (UTC), Bill
wrote:

I read where there will not be a state
designated religion, and people have freedom of religious expression.

I read "Congress shall make no law", it says nothing about states.
That comes from stretching the 14th amendment. It will have the
lefties changing their mind about the 14th amendment if national CCW
passes. They are already questioning it over medical pot (along with
what the 9th and 10th amendments mean)

On Saturday, December 16, 2017 at 6:57:48 PM UTC-6, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 12/16/17 6:47 PM, Tim wrote:
On Saturday, December 16, 2017 at 5:05:47 PM UTC-6, Keyser Soze wrote:
The
world will be a better place when religion dies out and no longer is the
chief driver of hate.

Marx taught the exact same thing. Harry, are you a Marxist?


Are you a moron?

Only if you are.,

At least Marxism had the decency to die out, or just about die out.
Hopefully, religion will follow the same path.

Not gonna happen. 'religion' has been since the beginning of the conscious man. you think it's gonna stop, well keep thinking.