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#12
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Not guilty
On Fri, 1 Dec 2017 11:40:56 -0500 (EST), justan wrote:
Wrote in message: On Fri, 01 Dec 2017 10:50:45 -0500, wrote: nobody actually enforces the laws we have on guns. === I was pleasantly surprised to read about a couple of recent convictions in Florida. I believe one was for lying on the purchase questionaire. https://www.winknews.com/2017/11/15/fort-myers-woman-found-guilty-lying-firearms-dealers/ Another was for possession by a felon. https://www.winknews.com/2017/11/13/convicted-fort-myers-felon-receives-15-years-gun-possession/ --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com A little more investigsting would probably show she was making a straw purchace. May the hardest of times fall upon her. === The Feds have their hooks well set it appears. 10 years with no possible parole is not a walk in the park. |
#13
posted to rec.boats
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10:23 - show quoted text - CNN says up to 3 years on the California charge (and conviction). If the feds charged him it would be 10. .... That’s ok. Might be interesting to see how long he survives prison... |
#14
posted to rec.boats
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Not guilty
On 12/1/17 11:10 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 01 Dec 2017 10:50:45 -0500, wrote: nobody actually enforces the laws we have on guns. === I was pleasantly surprised to read about a couple of recent convictions in Florida. I believe one was for lying on the purchase questionaire. https://www.winknews.com/2017/11/15/fort-myers-woman-found-guilty-lying-firearms-dealers/ Another was for possession by a felon. https://www.winknews.com/2017/11/13/convicted-fort-myers-felon-receives-15-years-gun-possession/ --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com Not that this is the case with your cites, but I wonder sometimes about purchases of firearms as gifts for other people. I assume if the ultimate recipient is named on the paperwork, that person is checked out on the instant check, at least, though I would think the actual purchaser is also checked out. |
#15
posted to rec.boats
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Not guilty
Keyser Soze wrote:
On 12/1/17 11:10 AM, wrote: On Fri, 01 Dec 2017 10:50:45 -0500, wrote: nobody actually enforces the laws we have on guns. === I was pleasantly surprised to read about a couple of recent convictions in Florida. I believe one was for lying on the purchase questionaire. https://www.winknews.com/2017/11/15/fort-myers-woman-found-guilty-lying-firearms-dealers/ Another was for possession by a felon. https://www.winknews.com/2017/11/13/convicted-fort-myers-felon-receives-15-years-gun-possession/ --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com Not that this is the case with your cites, but I wonder sometimes about purchases of firearms as gifts for other people. I assume if the ultimate recipient is named on the paperwork, that person is checked out on the instant check, at least, though I would think the actual purchaser is also checked out. Gifts could have a couple scenarios. I am going to gift a 22 rifle that was my dad’s to my son in law. He already legally owns a pistol or two. One he bought and one was his dad’s service revolver. His late dad was an Los Angeles cop. |
#16
posted to rec.boats
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Not guilty
On 12/1/17 8:46 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 1 Dec 2017 08:33:03 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: The "not guilty" verdicts of Jose Ines Garcia Zarate for 1st or 2nd degree murder and involuntary manslaughter by the jury in San Fransisco certainly has frustrated many. The judge charged the jury that they could *not* consider his illegal immigrant status, the fact that he was deported 6 times but returned and that he had multiple felony convictions in their deliberations. I think the family of Kathryn Steinle (who he shot and killed) should file a civil lawsuit for "unlawful death", but not against Zarate. He has nothing to recover. The suit should be brought against the city of San Fransisco and the state of California for at least a billion dollars. I think they should charge the city and state for causing the unlawful death by maintaining a "Sanctuary" status and releasing a convicted felon and illegal immigrant back into the population in direct defiance of federal ICE demands that he be held for pickup and deportation. In a civil action the bar is "preponderance of evidence", not "beyond any reasonable doubt". === Good plan. --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com Lousy interpretation of what the law may do. Also, presenting evidence of a prior criminal history typically is not something the prosecution can bring up in a criminal case. |
#17
posted to rec.boats
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Not guilty
On Fri, 1 Dec 2017 12:11:10 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 12/1/17 11:10 AM, wrote: On Fri, 01 Dec 2017 10:50:45 -0500, wrote: nobody actually enforces the laws we have on guns. === I was pleasantly surprised to read about a couple of recent convictions in Florida. I believe one was for lying on the purchase questionaire. https://www.winknews.com/2017/11/15/fort-myers-woman-found-guilty-lying-firearms-dealers/ Another was for possession by a felon. https://www.winknews.com/2017/11/13/convicted-fort-myers-felon-receives-15-years-gun-possession/ --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com Not that this is the case with your cites, but I wonder sometimes about purchases of firearms as gifts for other people. I assume if the ultimate recipient is named on the paperwork, that person is checked out on the instant check, at least, though I would think the actual purchaser is also checked out. The ATF Form 4473 allows the purchase of a gun as a gift without naming the recipient. How do you think all those Chicago boys get their guns? Boy gives momma the money, momma goes out of town (Chuck's Gun Shop maybe), buys the gun with all the correct answers on the 4473, and gives boy the gun. Amen. Hey, it was a 'gift'. |
#18
posted to rec.boats
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Not guilty
On 12/1/17 12:17 PM, Bill wrote:
Keyser Soze wrote: On 12/1/17 11:10 AM, wrote: On Fri, 01 Dec 2017 10:50:45 -0500, wrote: nobody actually enforces the laws we have on guns. === I was pleasantly surprised to read about a couple of recent convictions in Florida. I believe one was for lying on the purchase questionaire. https://www.winknews.com/2017/11/15/fort-myers-woman-found-guilty-lying-firearms-dealers/ Another was for possession by a felon. https://www.winknews.com/2017/11/13/convicted-fort-myers-felon-receives-15-years-gun-possession/ --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com Not that this is the case with your cites, but I wonder sometimes about purchases of firearms as gifts for other people. I assume if the ultimate recipient is named on the paperwork, that person is checked out on the instant check, at least, though I would think the actual purchaser is also checked out. Gifts could have a couple scenarios. I am going to gift a 22 rifle that was my dad’s to my son in law. He already legally owns a pistol or two. One he bought and one was his dad’s service revolver. His late dad was an Los Angeles cop. Gun laws seem incredibly inconsistent. If you buy a new rifle from a dealer in Maryland, there's only the federal instant check. When I sold a used rifle to a friend of a friend here in Maryland, I called the state police to see if there were paperwork or background requirements, and there were no federal requirements, either. |
#19
posted to rec.boats
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Not guilty
On 12/1/2017 11:23 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 1 Dec 2017 10:46:42 -0500 (EST), justan wrote: Wrote in message: On Fri, 1 Dec 2017 09:21:25 -0500 (EST), justan wrote: "Mr. Luddite" Wrote in message: The "not guilty" verdicts of Jose Ines Garcia Zarate for 1st or 2nd degree murder and involuntary manslaughter by the jury in San Fransisco certainly has frustrated many. The judge charged the jury that they could *not* consider his illegal immigrant status, the fact that he was deported 6 times but returned and that he had multiple felony convictions in their deliberations. I think the family of Kathryn Steinle (who he shot and killed) should file a civil lawsuit for "unlawful death", but not against Zarate. He has nothing to recover. The suit should be brought against the city of San Fransisco and the state of California for at least a billion dollars. I think they should charge the city and state for causing the unlawful death by maintaining a "Sanctuary" status and releasing a convicted felon and illegal immigrant back into the population in direct defiance of federal ICE demands that he be held for pickup and deportation. In a civil action the bar is "preponderance of evidence", not "beyond any reasonable doubt". Perhaps now traction will be gained to remove federal funding of any kind from sanctuary cities. Musta been Fat Harriets relatives and think alikes on the jury. === I don't know anything about the evidence but I suspect it must have been mostly circumstantial. The real provable crime is that the alleged perpatrator was releasied back into the population even though a convicted felon and illegal immigrant. It must be very demoralizing for the police to have that sort of thing going on. --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com Also a felon with a gun. Gotta be jail time for that in a normal jurisdiction. CNN says up to 3 years on the California charge (and conviction). If the feds charged him it would be 10. As it stands now he may be sentenced but more likely will be deported .... again. Heard prosecutors are considering federal charges though. Usually I don't like when people sue for anything they can get but in this case I'd love to see the city and state sued for enough that it rocks the financial foundations of both. Maybe then these crazy views on sanctuary places will change. |
#20
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