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The "not guilty" verdicts of Jose Ines Garcia Zarate for 1st or 2nd
degree murder and involuntary manslaughter by the jury in San Fransisco
certainly has frustrated many. The judge charged the jury that they
could *not* consider his illegal immigrant status, the fact that he was
deported 6 times but returned and that he had multiple felony
convictions in their deliberations.

I think the family of Kathryn Steinle (who he shot and killed) should
file a civil lawsuit for "unlawful death", but not against Zarate. He
has nothing to recover.

The suit should be brought against the city of San Fransisco and the
state of California for at least a billion dollars. I think they should
charge the city and state for causing the unlawful death by maintaining
a "Sanctuary" status and releasing a convicted felon and illegal
immigrant back into the population in direct defiance of federal ICE
demands that he be held for pickup and deportation.

In a civil action the bar is "preponderance of evidence", not "beyond
any reasonable doubt".




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On Fri, 1 Dec 2017 08:33:03 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
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The "not guilty" verdicts of Jose Ines Garcia Zarate for 1st or 2nd
degree murder and involuntary manslaughter by the jury in San Fransisco
certainly has frustrated many. The judge charged the jury that they
could *not* consider his illegal immigrant status, the fact that he was
deported 6 times but returned and that he had multiple felony
convictions in their deliberations.

I think the family of Kathryn Steinle (who he shot and killed) should
file a civil lawsuit for "unlawful death", but not against Zarate. He
has nothing to recover.

The suit should be brought against the city of San Fransisco and the
state of California for at least a billion dollars. I think they should
charge the city and state for causing the unlawful death by maintaining
a "Sanctuary" status and releasing a convicted felon and illegal
immigrant back into the population in direct defiance of federal ICE
demands that he be held for pickup and deportation.

In a civil action the bar is "preponderance of evidence", not "beyond
any reasonable doubt".



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"Mr. Luddite" Wrote in message:
The "not guilty" verdicts of Jose Ines Garcia Zarate for 1st or 2nd
degree murder and involuntary manslaughter by the jury in San Fransisco
certainly has frustrated many. The judge charged the jury that they
could *not* consider his illegal immigrant status, the fact that he was
deported 6 times but returned and that he had multiple felony
convictions in their deliberations.

I think the family of Kathryn Steinle (who he shot and killed) should
file a civil lawsuit for "unlawful death", but not against Zarate. He
has nothing to recover.

The suit should be brought against the city of San Fransisco and the
state of California for at least a billion dollars. I think they should
charge the city and state for causing the unlawful death by maintaining
a "Sanctuary" status and releasing a convicted felon and illegal
immigrant back into the population in direct defiance of federal ICE
demands that he be held for pickup and deportation.

In a civil action the bar is "preponderance of evidence", not "beyond
any reasonable doubt".






Perhaps now traction will be gained to remove federal funding of
any kind from sanctuary cities. Musta been Fat Harriets
relatives and think alikes on the jury.
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On Fri, 1 Dec 2017 09:21:25 -0500 (EST), justan wrote:

"Mr. Luddite" Wrote in message:
The "not guilty" verdicts of Jose Ines Garcia Zarate for 1st or 2nd
degree murder and involuntary manslaughter by the jury in San Fransisco
certainly has frustrated many. The judge charged the jury that they
could *not* consider his illegal immigrant status, the fact that he was
deported 6 times but returned and that he had multiple felony
convictions in their deliberations.

I think the family of Kathryn Steinle (who he shot and killed) should
file a civil lawsuit for "unlawful death", but not against Zarate. He
has nothing to recover.

The suit should be brought against the city of San Fransisco and the
state of California for at least a billion dollars. I think they should
charge the city and state for causing the unlawful death by maintaining
a "Sanctuary" status and releasing a convicted felon and illegal
immigrant back into the population in direct defiance of federal ICE
demands that he be held for pickup and deportation.

In a civil action the bar is "preponderance of evidence", not "beyond
any reasonable doubt".






Perhaps now traction will be gained to remove federal funding of
any kind from sanctuary cities. Musta been Fat Harriets
relatives and think alikes on the jury.


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I don't know anything about the evidence but I suspect it must have
been mostly circumstantial. The real provable crime is that the
alleged perpatrator was releasied back into the population even though
a convicted felon and illegal immigrant. It must be very demoralizing
for the police to have that sort of thing going on.

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On Fri, 1 Dec 2017 09:21:25 -0500 (EST), justan wrote:

"Mr. Luddite" Wrote in message:
The "not guilty" verdicts of Jose Ines Garcia Zarate for 1st or 2nd
degree murder and involuntary manslaughter by the jury in San Fransisco
certainly has frustrated many. The judge charged the jury that they
could *not* consider his illegal immigrant status, the fact that he was
deported 6 times but returned and that he had multiple felony
convictions in their deliberations.

I think the family of Kathryn Steinle (who he shot and killed) should
file a civil lawsuit for "unlawful death", but not against Zarate. He
has nothing to recover.

The suit should be brought against the city of San Fransisco and the
state of California for at least a billion dollars. I think they should
charge the city and state for causing the unlawful death by maintaining
a "Sanctuary" status and releasing a convicted felon and illegal
immigrant back into the population in direct defiance of federal ICE
demands that he be held for pickup and deportation.

In a civil action the bar is "preponderance of evidence", not "beyond
any reasonable doubt".






Perhaps now traction will be gained to remove federal funding of
any kind from sanctuary cities. Musta been Fat Harriets
relatives and think alikes on the jury.


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I don't know anything about the evidence but I suspect it must have
been mostly circumstantial. The real provable crime is that the
alleged perpatrator was releasied back into the population even though
a convicted felon and illegal immigrant. It must be very demoralizing
for the police to have that sort of thing going on.

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Also a felon with a gun. Gotta be jail time for that in a normal
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7:33 AMMr. Luddite
The "not guilty" verdicts of Jose Ines Garcia Zarate for 1st or 2nd
degree murder and involuntary manslaughter by the jury in San Fransisco
certainly has frustrated many. The judge charged the jury that they
could *not* consider his illegal immigrant status, the fact that he was
deported 6 times but returned and that he had multiple felony
convictions in their deliberations.

I think the family of Kathryn Steinle (who he shot and killed) should
file a civil lawsuit for "unlawful death", but not against Zarate. He
has nothing to recover.

The suit should be brought against the city of San Fransisco and the
state of California for at least a billion dollars. I think they should
charge the city and state for causing the unlawful death by maintaining
a "Sanctuary" status and releasing a convicted felon and illegal
immigrant back into the population in direct defiance of federal ICE
demands that he be held for pickup and deportation.

In a civil action the bar is "preponderance of evidence", not "beyond
any reasonable doubt".


.....

Sounds good to me. Don’t think it’d fly but may start class action suits that might change some foolishness...
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On Fri, 1 Dec 2017 08:33:03 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

The "not guilty" verdicts of Jose Ines Garcia Zarate for 1st or 2nd
degree murder and involuntary manslaughter by the jury in San Fransisco
certainly has frustrated many. The judge charged the jury that they
could *not* consider his illegal immigrant status, the fact that he was
deported 6 times but returned and that he had multiple felony
convictions in their deliberations.

I think the family of Kathryn Steinle (who he shot and killed) should
file a civil lawsuit for "unlawful death", but not against Zarate. He
has nothing to recover.

The suit should be brought against the city of San Fransisco and the
state of California for at least a billion dollars. I think they should
charge the city and state for causing the unlawful death by maintaining
a "Sanctuary" status and releasing a convicted felon and illegal
immigrant back into the population in direct defiance of federal ICE
demands that he be held for pickup and deportation.

In a civil action the bar is "preponderance of evidence", not "beyond
any reasonable doubt".


They also only need a majority of jurors and the rules of evidence are
a lot looser. The problem is San Francisco may be as broke as this
murdering mo fo.
BTW NBC was reporting that this was a mistrial not an acquittal but it
does not shock me when they get it wrong.
I really find it surprising that the federal prosecutors can't find a
single thing to charge this guy with. Where did he get the gun? Isn't
it a federal violation for a felon to get a gun? Add up as many
federal charges as they can get, lock his ass up for a while then
deport him from Kansas or wherever he was "residing" at the time.
The cities may be able to provide sanctuary from ICE (although I am
not sure why) but they surely can't provide sanctuary from a federal
prosecutor with criminal charges.
If they had a sharp pencil they might be able to rack up a bunch of 10
year violations in gun charges alone ... but nobody actually enforces
the laws we have on guns.

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On Fri, 1 Dec 2017 09:21:25 -0500 (EST), justan wrote:

"Mr. Luddite" Wrote in message:
The "not guilty" verdicts of Jose Ines Garcia Zarate for 1st or 2nd
degree murder and involuntary manslaughter by the jury in San Fransisco
certainly has frustrated many. The judge charged the jury that they
could *not* consider his illegal immigrant status, the fact that he was
deported 6 times but returned and that he had multiple felony
convictions in their deliberations.

I think the family of Kathryn Steinle (who he shot and killed) should
file a civil lawsuit for "unlawful death", but not against Zarate. He
has nothing to recover.

The suit should be brought against the city of San Fransisco and the
state of California for at least a billion dollars. I think they should
charge the city and state for causing the unlawful death by maintaining
a "Sanctuary" status and releasing a convicted felon and illegal
immigrant back into the population in direct defiance of federal ICE
demands that he be held for pickup and deportation.

In a civil action the bar is "preponderance of evidence", not "beyond
any reasonable doubt".






Perhaps now traction will be gained to remove federal funding of
any kind from sanctuary cities. Musta been Fat Harriets
relatives and think alikes on the jury.


===

I don't know anything about the evidence but I suspect it must have
been mostly circumstantial. The real provable crime is that the
alleged perpatrator was releasied back into the population even though
a convicted felon and illegal immigrant. It must be very demoralizing
for the police to have that sort of thing going on.


The way NBC-2 had it the judge declared a mistrial because a witness
said something against his legal status here.
CNN has it as an acquittal.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/30/us/kat...ict/index.html
It appears that they also got a conviction on the California charge of
a felon with a gun. Maybe they can also bring federal gun charges that
have far more severe consequences.
At least it gets him out of California so ICE gets a shot at him.

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On Fri, 1 Dec 2017 10:46:42 -0500 (EST), justan wrote:

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On Fri, 1 Dec 2017 09:21:25 -0500 (EST), justan wrote:

"Mr. Luddite" Wrote in message:
The "not guilty" verdicts of Jose Ines Garcia Zarate for 1st or 2nd
degree murder and involuntary manslaughter by the jury in San Fransisco
certainly has frustrated many. The judge charged the jury that they
could *not* consider his illegal immigrant status, the fact that he was
deported 6 times but returned and that he had multiple felony
convictions in their deliberations.

I think the family of Kathryn Steinle (who he shot and killed) should
file a civil lawsuit for "unlawful death", but not against Zarate. He
has nothing to recover.

The suit should be brought against the city of San Fransisco and the
state of California for at least a billion dollars. I think they should
charge the city and state for causing the unlawful death by maintaining
a "Sanctuary" status and releasing a convicted felon and illegal
immigrant back into the population in direct defiance of federal ICE
demands that he be held for pickup and deportation.

In a civil action the bar is "preponderance of evidence", not "beyond
any reasonable doubt".






Perhaps now traction will be gained to remove federal funding of
any kind from sanctuary cities. Musta been Fat Harriets
relatives and think alikes on the jury.


===

I don't know anything about the evidence but I suspect it must have
been mostly circumstantial. The real provable crime is that the
alleged perpatrator was releasied back into the population even though
a convicted felon and illegal immigrant. It must be very demoralizing
for the police to have that sort of thing going on.

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Also a felon with a gun. Gotta be jail time for that in a normal
jurisdiction.


CNN says up to 3 years on the California charge (and conviction). If
the feds charged him it would be 10.
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