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Not guilty
The "not guilty" verdicts of Jose Ines Garcia Zarate for 1st or 2nd
degree murder and involuntary manslaughter by the jury in San Fransisco certainly has frustrated many. The judge charged the jury that they could *not* consider his illegal immigrant status, the fact that he was deported 6 times but returned and that he had multiple felony convictions in their deliberations. I think the family of Kathryn Steinle (who he shot and killed) should file a civil lawsuit for "unlawful death", but not against Zarate. He has nothing to recover. The suit should be brought against the city of San Fransisco and the state of California for at least a billion dollars. I think they should charge the city and state for causing the unlawful death by maintaining a "Sanctuary" status and releasing a convicted felon and illegal immigrant back into the population in direct defiance of federal ICE demands that he be held for pickup and deportation. In a civil action the bar is "preponderance of evidence", not "beyond any reasonable doubt". |
Not guilty
On Fri, 1 Dec 2017 08:33:03 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote: The "not guilty" verdicts of Jose Ines Garcia Zarate for 1st or 2nd degree murder and involuntary manslaughter by the jury in San Fransisco certainly has frustrated many. The judge charged the jury that they could *not* consider his illegal immigrant status, the fact that he was deported 6 times but returned and that he had multiple felony convictions in their deliberations. I think the family of Kathryn Steinle (who he shot and killed) should file a civil lawsuit for "unlawful death", but not against Zarate. He has nothing to recover. The suit should be brought against the city of San Fransisco and the state of California for at least a billion dollars. I think they should charge the city and state for causing the unlawful death by maintaining a "Sanctuary" status and releasing a convicted felon and illegal immigrant back into the population in direct defiance of federal ICE demands that he be held for pickup and deportation. In a civil action the bar is "preponderance of evidence", not "beyond any reasonable doubt". === Good plan. --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com |
Not guilty
"Mr. Luddite" Wrote in message:
The "not guilty" verdicts of Jose Ines Garcia Zarate for 1st or 2nd degree murder and involuntary manslaughter by the jury in San Fransisco certainly has frustrated many. The judge charged the jury that they could *not* consider his illegal immigrant status, the fact that he was deported 6 times but returned and that he had multiple felony convictions in their deliberations. I think the family of Kathryn Steinle (who he shot and killed) should file a civil lawsuit for "unlawful death", but not against Zarate. He has nothing to recover. The suit should be brought against the city of San Fransisco and the state of California for at least a billion dollars. I think they should charge the city and state for causing the unlawful death by maintaining a "Sanctuary" status and releasing a convicted felon and illegal immigrant back into the population in direct defiance of federal ICE demands that he be held for pickup and deportation. In a civil action the bar is "preponderance of evidence", not "beyond any reasonable doubt". Perhaps now traction will be gained to remove federal funding of any kind from sanctuary cities. Musta been Fat Harriets relatives and think alikes on the jury. -- x ----Android NewsGroup Reader---- http://usenet.sinaapp.com/ |
Not guilty
On Fri, 1 Dec 2017 09:21:25 -0500 (EST), justan wrote:
"Mr. Luddite" Wrote in message: The "not guilty" verdicts of Jose Ines Garcia Zarate for 1st or 2nd degree murder and involuntary manslaughter by the jury in San Fransisco certainly has frustrated many. The judge charged the jury that they could *not* consider his illegal immigrant status, the fact that he was deported 6 times but returned and that he had multiple felony convictions in their deliberations. I think the family of Kathryn Steinle (who he shot and killed) should file a civil lawsuit for "unlawful death", but not against Zarate. He has nothing to recover. The suit should be brought against the city of San Fransisco and the state of California for at least a billion dollars. I think they should charge the city and state for causing the unlawful death by maintaining a "Sanctuary" status and releasing a convicted felon and illegal immigrant back into the population in direct defiance of federal ICE demands that he be held for pickup and deportation. In a civil action the bar is "preponderance of evidence", not "beyond any reasonable doubt". Perhaps now traction will be gained to remove federal funding of any kind from sanctuary cities. Musta been Fat Harriets relatives and think alikes on the jury. === I don't know anything about the evidence but I suspect it must have been mostly circumstantial. The real provable crime is that the alleged perpatrator was releasied back into the population even though a convicted felon and illegal immigrant. It must be very demoralizing for the police to have that sort of thing going on. --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com |
Not guilty
7:33 AMMr. Luddite The "not guilty" verdicts of Jose Ines Garcia Zarate for 1st or 2nd degree murder and involuntary manslaughter by the jury in San Fransisco certainly has frustrated many. The judge charged the jury that they could *not* consider his illegal immigrant status, the fact that he was deported 6 times but returned and that he had multiple felony convictions in their deliberations. I think the family of Kathryn Steinle (who he shot and killed) should file a civil lawsuit for "unlawful death", but not against Zarate. He has nothing to recover. The suit should be brought against the city of San Fransisco and the state of California for at least a billion dollars. I think they should charge the city and state for causing the unlawful death by maintaining a "Sanctuary" status and releasing a convicted felon and illegal immigrant back into the population in direct defiance of federal ICE demands that he be held for pickup and deportation. In a civil action the bar is "preponderance of evidence", not "beyond any reasonable doubt". ..... Sounds good to me. Don’t think it’d fly but may start class action suits that might change some foolishness... |
Not guilty
On Fri, 1 Dec 2017 08:33:03 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote: The "not guilty" verdicts of Jose Ines Garcia Zarate for 1st or 2nd degree murder and involuntary manslaughter by the jury in San Fransisco certainly has frustrated many. The judge charged the jury that they could *not* consider his illegal immigrant status, the fact that he was deported 6 times but returned and that he had multiple felony convictions in their deliberations. I think the family of Kathryn Steinle (who he shot and killed) should file a civil lawsuit for "unlawful death", but not against Zarate. He has nothing to recover. The suit should be brought against the city of San Fransisco and the state of California for at least a billion dollars. I think they should charge the city and state for causing the unlawful death by maintaining a "Sanctuary" status and releasing a convicted felon and illegal immigrant back into the population in direct defiance of federal ICE demands that he be held for pickup and deportation. In a civil action the bar is "preponderance of evidence", not "beyond any reasonable doubt". They also only need a majority of jurors and the rules of evidence are a lot looser. The problem is San Francisco may be as broke as this murdering mo fo. BTW NBC was reporting that this was a mistrial not an acquittal but it does not shock me when they get it wrong. I really find it surprising that the federal prosecutors can't find a single thing to charge this guy with. Where did he get the gun? Isn't it a federal violation for a felon to get a gun? Add up as many federal charges as they can get, lock his ass up for a while then deport him from Kansas or wherever he was "residing" at the time. The cities may be able to provide sanctuary from ICE (although I am not sure why) but they surely can't provide sanctuary from a federal prosecutor with criminal charges. If they had a sharp pencil they might be able to rack up a bunch of 10 year violations in gun charges alone ... but nobody actually enforces the laws we have on guns. |
Not guilty
On Fri, 01 Dec 2017 10:13:07 -0500,
wrote: On Fri, 1 Dec 2017 09:21:25 -0500 (EST), justan wrote: "Mr. Luddite" Wrote in message: The "not guilty" verdicts of Jose Ines Garcia Zarate for 1st or 2nd degree murder and involuntary manslaughter by the jury in San Fransisco certainly has frustrated many. The judge charged the jury that they could *not* consider his illegal immigrant status, the fact that he was deported 6 times but returned and that he had multiple felony convictions in their deliberations. I think the family of Kathryn Steinle (who he shot and killed) should file a civil lawsuit for "unlawful death", but not against Zarate. He has nothing to recover. The suit should be brought against the city of San Fransisco and the state of California for at least a billion dollars. I think they should charge the city and state for causing the unlawful death by maintaining a "Sanctuary" status and releasing a convicted felon and illegal immigrant back into the population in direct defiance of federal ICE demands that he be held for pickup and deportation. In a civil action the bar is "preponderance of evidence", not "beyond any reasonable doubt". Perhaps now traction will be gained to remove federal funding of any kind from sanctuary cities. Musta been Fat Harriets relatives and think alikes on the jury. === I don't know anything about the evidence but I suspect it must have been mostly circumstantial. The real provable crime is that the alleged perpatrator was releasied back into the population even though a convicted felon and illegal immigrant. It must be very demoralizing for the police to have that sort of thing going on. The way NBC-2 had it the judge declared a mistrial because a witness said something against his legal status here. CNN has it as an acquittal. http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/30/us/kat...ict/index.html It appears that they also got a conviction on the California charge of a felon with a gun. Maybe they can also bring federal gun charges that have far more severe consequences. At least it gets him out of California so ICE gets a shot at him. |
Not guilty
On Fri, 01 Dec 2017 10:50:45 -0500, wrote:
nobody actually enforces the laws we have on guns. === I was pleasantly surprised to read about a couple of recent convictions in Florida. I believe one was for lying on the purchase questionaire. https://www.winknews.com/2017/11/15/fort-myers-woman-found-guilty-lying-firearms-dealers/ Another was for possession by a felon. https://www.winknews.com/2017/11/13/convicted-fort-myers-felon-receives-15-years-gun-possession/ --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com |
Not guilty
On Fri, 1 Dec 2017 10:46:42 -0500 (EST), justan wrote:
Wrote in message: On Fri, 1 Dec 2017 09:21:25 -0500 (EST), justan wrote: "Mr. Luddite" Wrote in message: The "not guilty" verdicts of Jose Ines Garcia Zarate for 1st or 2nd degree murder and involuntary manslaughter by the jury in San Fransisco certainly has frustrated many. The judge charged the jury that they could *not* consider his illegal immigrant status, the fact that he was deported 6 times but returned and that he had multiple felony convictions in their deliberations. I think the family of Kathryn Steinle (who he shot and killed) should file a civil lawsuit for "unlawful death", but not against Zarate. He has nothing to recover. The suit should be brought against the city of San Fransisco and the state of California for at least a billion dollars. I think they should charge the city and state for causing the unlawful death by maintaining a "Sanctuary" status and releasing a convicted felon and illegal immigrant back into the population in direct defiance of federal ICE demands that he be held for pickup and deportation. In a civil action the bar is "preponderance of evidence", not "beyond any reasonable doubt". Perhaps now traction will be gained to remove federal funding of any kind from sanctuary cities. Musta been Fat Harriets relatives and think alikes on the jury. === I don't know anything about the evidence but I suspect it must have been mostly circumstantial. The real provable crime is that the alleged perpatrator was releasied back into the population even though a convicted felon and illegal immigrant. It must be very demoralizing for the police to have that sort of thing going on. --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com Also a felon with a gun. Gotta be jail time for that in a normal jurisdiction. CNN says up to 3 years on the California charge (and conviction). If the feds charged him it would be 10. |
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