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On Sat, 2 Dec 2017 01:44:55 -0000 (UTC), Bill wrote:
True North wrote: On Friday, 1 December 2017 19:06:05 UTC-4, Bill wrote: Mr. Luddite wrote: On 12/1/2017 2:44 PM, Bill wrote: Mr. Luddite wrote: On 12/1/2017 12:11 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 12/1/17 11:10 AM, wrote: On Fri, 01 Dec 2017 10:50:45 -0500, wrote: nobody actually enforces the laws we have on guns. === I was pleasantly surprised to read about a couple of recent convictions in Florida.* I believe one was for lying on the purchase questionaire. https://www.winknews.com/2017/11/15/fort-myers-woman-found-guilty-lying-firearms-dealers/ Another was for possession by a felon. https://www.winknews.com/2017/11/13/convicted-fort-myers-felon-receives-15-years-gun-possession/ --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com Not that this is the case with your cites, but I wonder sometimes about purchases of firearms as gifts for other people. I assume if the ultimate recipient is named on the paperwork, that person is checked out on the instant check, at least, though I would think the actual purchaser is also checked out. I've often thought about that. Without a proper paper trail it seems it could get very cloudy as to where a gun came from and where it ends up. For that reason, I'd never purchase a gun and give it as a gift. I think all transactions should be through a FFL. If someone wants a gun they can do like the rest of us do ... apply, undergo a background check ... and become responsible and accountable for it's location. And how much does this cost? In Massachusetts it costs $100 and the permit is good for six years. $100 again to renew for another 6 years. Free over age of 70. Other than that, there are no additional charges to purchase a firearm other than the cost of the firearm itself. Pretty expensive when someone already owns a firearm, and the receiver also owns firearms. Here you pay for the background check and the FFL transfer. So probably $75. We do not require a license to own a forearm in Calif. Say what? In the 68 years I've possessed two "forearms" I've never been asked to register or pay any kind of fee or to license them. I suppose some girliemen might consider them dangerous weapons though. ~~ Snerk ~~ Say what. You flaunting your stupidity? With every post. |
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True North wrote:
On Friday, 1 December 2017 21:44:56 UTC-4, Bill wrote: True North wrote: On Friday, 1 December 2017 19:06:05 UTC-4, Bill wrote: Mr. Luddite wrote: On 12/1/2017 2:44 PM, Bill wrote: Mr. Luddite wrote: On 12/1/2017 12:11 PM, Keyser Soze wrote: On 12/1/17 11:10 AM, wrote: On Fri, 01 Dec 2017 10:50:45 -0500, wrote: nobody actually enforces the laws we have on guns. === I was pleasantly surprised to read about a couple of recent convictions in Florida. I believe one was for lying on the purchase questionaire. https://www.winknews.com/2017/11/15/fort-myers-woman-found-guilty-lying-firearms-dealers/ Another was for possession by a felon. https://www.winknews.com/2017/11/13/convicted-fort-myers-felon-receives-15-years-gun-possession/ --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com Not that this is the case with your cites, but I wonder sometimes about purchases of firearms as gifts for other people. I assume if the ultimate recipient is named on the paperwork, that person is checked out on the instant check, at least, though I would think the actual purchaser is also checked out. I've often thought about that. Without a proper paper trail it seems it could get very cloudy as to where a gun came from and where it ends up. For that reason, I'd never purchase a gun and give it as a gift. I think all transactions should be through a FFL. If someone wants a gun they can do like the rest of us do ... apply, undergo a background check ... and become responsible and accountable for it's location. And how much does this cost? In Massachusetts it costs $100 and the permit is good for six years. $100 again to renew for another 6 years. Free over age of 70. Other than that, there are no additional charges to purchase a firearm other than the cost of the firearm itself. Pretty expensive when someone already owns a firearm, and the receiver also owns firearms. Here you pay for the background check and the FFL transfer. So probably $75. We do not require a license to own a forearm in Calif. Say what? In the 68 years I've possessed two "forearms" I've never been asked to register or pay any kind of fee or to license them. I suppose some girliemen might consider them dangerous weapons though. ~~ Snerk ~~ Say what. You flaunting your stupidity? No...just pointing our yours, which I seem to be doing more and more often. What is that saying about keeping quiet and thought of as a fool rather than opening your mouth and removing all doubt... You should lean that saying and STFU. |
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On Sun, 3 Dec 2017 05:23:42 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote: On 12/2/2017 10:16 PM, Alex wrote: wrote: On Fri, 1 Dec 2017 18:26:20 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: We don't pay for a background check every time we buy a firearm.Â* The $100 we pay every six years is for the background check required for a permit.Â* As long as the permit remains valid you can buy all the guns you want.Â* There's a computer check made at the time of purchase to make sure nothing has changed (felony conviction, restraining order, etc.) but we don't pay for that. In Florida that comes with the CCW. The Florida CCW allows you to avoid the waiting period, not the background check.Â* As far as charging for a background check, that is up to the FFL but it's doesn't cost them anything so most don't charge for it. No waiting period in MA as long as your permit is current and valid. The "background check" done at time of purchase is simply a check of the MA criminal data base to make sure you haven't been convicted of a felony or other reason to disallow a purchase since the permit was issued. The full, FBI background check is only done every six years, once when you first apply for a permit and then upon your renewal, six years later. When you purchase a gun, the paperwork is transmitted to the state at the time of sale. Only takes a minute or so and the results are returned, approving the sale or not. I think they do the instant check here if you have a CCW but whatever it is, it is pretty quick. When I bought my Ruger KP90 I filled out the forms, went to pick out a holster and get some ammo and by the time I got back, he was wrapping up the transaction. Without the CCW it would have been a wait and another trip back. |
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On 12/3/2017 10:05 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 3 Dec 2017 05:23:42 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 12/2/2017 10:16 PM, Alex wrote: wrote: On Fri, 1 Dec 2017 18:26:20 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: We don't pay for a background check every time we buy a firearm.Â* The $100 we pay every six years is for the background check required for a permit.Â* As long as the permit remains valid you can buy all the guns you want.Â* There's a computer check made at the time of purchase to make sure nothing has changed (felony conviction, restraining order, etc.) but we don't pay for that. In Florida that comes with the CCW. The Florida CCW allows you to avoid the waiting period, not the background check.Â* As far as charging for a background check, that is up to the FFL but it's doesn't cost them anything so most don't charge for it. No waiting period in MA as long as your permit is current and valid. The "background check" done at time of purchase is simply a check of the MA criminal data base to make sure you haven't been convicted of a felony or other reason to disallow a purchase since the permit was issued. The full, FBI background check is only done every six years, once when you first apply for a permit and then upon your renewal, six years later. When you purchase a gun, the paperwork is transmitted to the state at the time of sale. Only takes a minute or so and the results are returned, approving the sale or not. I think they do the instant check here if you have a CCW but whatever it is, it is pretty quick. When I bought my Ruger KP90 I filled out the forms, went to pick out a holster and get some ammo and by the time I got back, he was wrapping up the transaction. Without the CCW it would have been a wait and another trip back. A little different up here. Without a license or FID card you can't legally buy, own or have in your possession a firearm period. There is no "waiting period" to purchase if you have a license or FID card. Without a license or FID card you can wait until hell freezes over ... you can't legally buy a firearm. The license to carry (LTC) covers handguns and allows concealed carry of them. It also covers rifles/shotguns. It's a "may issue" license, meaning the decision to issue is up to the local police chief. The FID card for long guns only is a "shall issue" card. The issue of either is subject to a FBI background check done every 6 years. |
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On Sun, 3 Dec 2017 10:56:45 -0500, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote: On 12/3/2017 10:05 AM, wrote: I think they do the instant check here if you have a CCW but whatever it is, it is pretty quick. When I bought my Ruger KP90 I filled out the forms, went to pick out a holster and get some ammo and by the time I got back, he was wrapping up the transaction. Without the CCW it would have been a wait and another trip back. A little different up here. Without a license or FID card you can't legally buy, own or have in your possession a firearm period. There is no "waiting period" to purchase if you have a license or FID card. Without a license or FID card you can wait until hell freezes over ... you can't legally buy a firearm. The license to carry (LTC) covers handguns and allows concealed carry of them. It also covers rifles/shotguns. It's a "may issue" license, meaning the decision to issue is up to the local police chief. The FID card for long guns only is a "shall issue" card. The issue of either is subject to a FBI background check done every 6 years. Is that a real background check (like a security clearance or a Form 4) or just the instant check? |
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Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 12/3/2017 10:05 AM, wrote: On Sun, 3 Dec 2017 05:23:42 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 12/2/2017 10:16 PM, Alex wrote: wrote: On Fri, 1 Dec 2017 18:26:20 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: We don't pay for a background check every time we buy a firearm.Â* The $100 we pay every six years is for the background check required for a permit.Â* As long as the permit remains valid you can buy all the guns you want.Â* There's a computer check made at the time of purchase to make sure nothing has changed (felony conviction, restraining order, etc.) but we don't pay for that. In Florida that comes with the CCW. The Florida CCW allows you to avoid the waiting period, not the background check.Â* As far as charging for a background check, that is up to the FFL but it's doesn't cost them anything so most don't charge for it. No waiting period in MA as long as your permit is current and valid. The "background check" done at time of purchase is simply a check of the MA criminal data base to make sure you haven't been convicted of a felony or other reason to disallow a purchase since the permit was issued. The full, FBI background check is only done every six years, once when you first apply for a permit and then upon your renewal, six years later. When you purchase a gun, the paperwork is transmitted to the state at the time of sale. Only takes a minute or so and the results are returned, approving the sale or not. I think they do the instant check here if you have a CCW but whatever it is, it is pretty quick. When I bought my Ruger KP90 I filled out the forms, went to pick out a holster and get some ammo and by the time I got back, he was wrapping up the transaction. Without the CCW it would have been a wait and another trip back. A little different up here. Without a license or FID card you can't legally buy, own or have in your possession a firearm period. There is no "waiting period" to purchase if you have a license or FID card. Without a license or FID card you can wait until hell freezes over ... you can't legally buy a firearm. The license to carry (LTC) covers handguns and allows concealed carry of them. It also covers rifles/shotguns. It's a "may issue" license, meaning the decision to issue is up to the local police chief. The FID card for long guns only is a "shall issue" card. The issue of either is subject to a FBI background check done every 6 years. Sounds like the 2nd amendment is not very alive in Massachusetts. |
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On 12/3/2017 12:50 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 3 Dec 2017 10:56:45 -0500, "Mr. Luddite" wrote: On 12/3/2017 10:05 AM, wrote: I think they do the instant check here if you have a CCW but whatever it is, it is pretty quick. When I bought my Ruger KP90 I filled out the forms, went to pick out a holster and get some ammo and by the time I got back, he was wrapping up the transaction. Without the CCW it would have been a wait and another trip back. A little different up here. Without a license or FID card you can't legally buy, own or have in your possession a firearm period. There is no "waiting period" to purchase if you have a license or FID card. Without a license or FID card you can wait until hell freezes over ... you can't legally buy a firearm. The license to carry (LTC) covers handguns and allows concealed carry of them. It also covers rifles/shotguns. It's a "may issue" license, meaning the decision to issue is up to the local police chief. The FID card for long guns only is a "shall issue" card. The issue of either is subject to a FBI background check done every 6 years. Is that a real background check (like a security clearance or a Form 4) or just the instant check? A "real" background check every 6 years. An instant criminal check thereafter every time you purchase a firearm. |
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