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From where come Chicago's Guns?
On 11/26/17 8:32 AM, Tim wrote:
On Sunday, November 26, 2017 at 5:47:29 AM UTC-6, John H wrote: http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...came-from.html States with the most guns recovered in Chicago Illinois 22,051 Indiana 7,747 Mississippi 4,296 Wisconsin 1,647 Kentucky 1,226 Ohio 1,121 Tennessee 1,090 Alabama 1,070 Arkansas 944 Texas 937 Where the hell's Virginia? The map does show a few, mostly from the Norfolk area, but nothing like Herr Krause indicates. Let's see, that's from the NYTimes, one of the Krause favorites, so can't be biased. Here's a discussion of the gun control laws in Chicago and just how well it 'controls guns'. Sounds like Chuck's Gun Shop is the 'real' gunshow loophole! http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/30/us...tal-shots.html The Virginia trunk dealers are presently out of stock. Tell us, Mr. Rocket Scientist, why would someone who lives in Illinois be interested in buying a firearm in Virginia when next-door Indiana has such lax firearms regulations? Not that Virginia has any sort of serious firearms regulations. When I sold my SIG to a Virginia resident, I arranged for the transfer to be done by an FFL there, but I called the Virginia State Police first and was told they didn't care how I did the transfer. But both the buyer of my SIG and I wanted to do a "kosher" transaction, so we split the $20 FFL fee. |
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From where come Chicago's Guns?
On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 10:43:09 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote: On 11/26/17 8:32 AM, Tim wrote: On Sunday, November 26, 2017 at 5:47:29 AM UTC-6, John H wrote: http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...came-from.html States with the most guns recovered in Chicago Illinois 22,051 Indiana 7,747 Mississippi 4,296 Wisconsin 1,647 Kentucky 1,226 Ohio 1,121 Tennessee 1,090 Alabama 1,070 Arkansas 944 Texas 937 Where the hell's Virginia? The map does show a few, mostly from the Norfolk area, but nothing like Herr Krause indicates. Let's see, that's from the NYTimes, one of the Krause favorites, so can't be biased. Here's a discussion of the gun control laws in Chicago and just how well it 'controls guns'. Sounds like Chuck's Gun Shop is the 'real' gunshow loophole! http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/30/us...tal-shots.html The Virginia trunk dealers are presently out of stock. Tell us, Mr. Rocket Scientist, why would someone who lives in Illinois be interested in buying a firearm in Virginia when next-door Indiana has such lax firearms regulations? Not that Virginia has any sort of serious firearms regulations. When I sold my SIG to a Virginia resident, I arranged for the transfer to be done by an FFL there, but I called the Virginia State Police first and was told they didn't care how I did the transfer. But both the buyer of my SIG and I wanted to do a "kosher" transaction, so we split the $20 FFL fee. Yet only 15% of the guns recovered came from Indiana and they did not bother to say how many of those were stolen. In fact they tend to ignore how many of all of these crime guns were stolen. Do you really think a private individual is going to involve an FFL to transfer a stolen gun, no matter what the law is? |
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From where come Chicago's Guns?
On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 10:43:09 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote: On 11/26/17 8:32 AM, Tim wrote: On Sunday, November 26, 2017 at 5:47:29 AM UTC-6, John H wrote: http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...came-from.html States with the most guns recovered in Chicago Illinois 22,051 Indiana 7,747 Mississippi 4,296 Wisconsin 1,647 Kentucky 1,226 Ohio 1,121 Tennessee 1,090 Alabama 1,070 Arkansas 944 Texas 937 Where the hell's Virginia? The map does show a few, mostly from the Norfolk area, but nothing like Herr Krause indicates. Let's see, that's from the NYTimes, one of the Krause favorites, so can't be biased. Here's a discussion of the gun control laws in Chicago and just how well it 'controls guns'. Sounds like Chuck's Gun Shop is the 'real' gunshow loophole! http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/30/us...tal-shots.html The Virginia trunk dealers are presently out of stock. Tell us, Mr. Rocket Scientist, why would someone who lives in Illinois be interested in buying a firearm in Virginia when next-door Indiana has such lax firearms regulations? Not that Virginia has any sort of serious firearms regulations. When I sold my SIG to a Virginia resident, I arranged for the transfer to be done by an FFL there, but I called the Virginia State Police first and was told they didn't care how I did the transfer. But both the buyer of my SIG and I wanted to do a "kosher" transaction, so we split the $20 FFL fee. You also cleverly ignore the fact that a Chicago (or any out of state) resident buying a handgun in Indiana is already a violation of federal law. Both the buyer and the seller could do federal prison time. Carrying that gun back across state lines is also a federal law violation along with whatever Illinois and Chicago laws they are breaking. Do you really thing that "just one more law" is going to make any difference at all? I know you just want to do something so you can say you hope that will make it better. Why not just pray? The effect will be the same and it only seems that way to a true believer. |
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From where come Chicago's Guns?
On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 12:10:46 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote: On 11/26/17 11:57 AM, wrote: On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 10:43:09 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: On 11/26/17 8:32 AM, Tim wrote: On Sunday, November 26, 2017 at 5:47:29 AM UTC-6, John H wrote: http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...came-from.html States with the most guns recovered in Chicago Illinois 22,051 Indiana 7,747 Mississippi 4,296 Wisconsin 1,647 Kentucky 1,226 Ohio 1,121 Tennessee 1,090 Alabama 1,070 Arkansas 944 Texas 937 Where the hell's Virginia? The map does show a few, mostly from the Norfolk area, but nothing like Herr Krause indicates. Let's see, that's from the NYTimes, one of the Krause favorites, so can't be biased. Here's a discussion of the gun control laws in Chicago and just how well it 'controls guns'. Sounds like Chuck's Gun Shop is the 'real' gunshow loophole! http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/30/us...tal-shots.html The Virginia trunk dealers are presently out of stock. Tell us, Mr. Rocket Scientist, why would someone who lives in Illinois be interested in buying a firearm in Virginia when next-door Indiana has such lax firearms regulations? Not that Virginia has any sort of serious firearms regulations. When I sold my SIG to a Virginia resident, I arranged for the transfer to be done by an FFL there, but I called the Virginia State Police first and was told they didn't care how I did the transfer. But both the buyer of my SIG and I wanted to do a "kosher" transaction, so we split the $20 FFL fee. You also cleverly ignore the fact that a Chicago (or any out of state) resident buying a handgun in Indiana is already a violation of federal law. Both the buyer and the seller could do federal prison time. Carrying that gun back across state lines is also a federal law violation along with whatever Illinois and Chicago laws they are breaking. Do you really thing that "just one more law" is going to make any difference at all? I know you just want to do something so you can say you hope that will make it better. Why not just pray? The effect will be the same and it only seems that way to a true believer. Ahhh...the Fretwell solution to every serious problem...do nothing and hope it works. === You (of course) missed the important message: new laws are not the answer. The answer that works has already been demonstrated in New York City - tough policing of existing laws; arrest and jail time for low level offenders; stop and frisk policies; holding precinct commanders accountable for their crime statistics. The ensuing drop in crime of all types was unprecedented, and totally transformed NYC's reputation as an unsafe city. --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com |
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From where come Chicago's Guns?
On 11/26/17 12:36 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 12:10:46 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: On 11/26/17 11:57 AM, wrote: On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 10:43:09 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: On 11/26/17 8:32 AM, Tim wrote: On Sunday, November 26, 2017 at 5:47:29 AM UTC-6, John H wrote: http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...came-from.html States with the most guns recovered in Chicago Illinois 22,051 Indiana 7,747 Mississippi 4,296 Wisconsin 1,647 Kentucky 1,226 Ohio 1,121 Tennessee 1,090 Alabama 1,070 Arkansas 944 Texas 937 Where the hell's Virginia? The map does show a few, mostly from the Norfolk area, but nothing like Herr Krause indicates. Let's see, that's from the NYTimes, one of the Krause favorites, so can't be biased. Here's a discussion of the gun control laws in Chicago and just how well it 'controls guns'. Sounds like Chuck's Gun Shop is the 'real' gunshow loophole! http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/30/us...tal-shots.html The Virginia trunk dealers are presently out of stock. Tell us, Mr. Rocket Scientist, why would someone who lives in Illinois be interested in buying a firearm in Virginia when next-door Indiana has such lax firearms regulations? Not that Virginia has any sort of serious firearms regulations. When I sold my SIG to a Virginia resident, I arranged for the transfer to be done by an FFL there, but I called the Virginia State Police first and was told they didn't care how I did the transfer. But both the buyer of my SIG and I wanted to do a "kosher" transaction, so we split the $20 FFL fee. You also cleverly ignore the fact that a Chicago (or any out of state) resident buying a handgun in Indiana is already a violation of federal law. Both the buyer and the seller could do federal prison time. Carrying that gun back across state lines is also a federal law violation along with whatever Illinois and Chicago laws they are breaking. Do you really thing that "just one more law" is going to make any difference at all? I know you just want to do something so you can say you hope that will make it better. Why not just pray? The effect will be the same and it only seems that way to a true believer. Ahhh...the Fretwell solution to every serious problem...do nothing and hope it works. === You (of course) missed the important message: new laws are not the answer. The answer that works has already been demonstrated in New York City - tough policing of existing laws; arrest and jail time for low level offenders; stop and frisk policies; holding precinct commanders accountable for their crime statistics. The ensuing drop in crime of all types was unprecedented, and totally transformed NYC's reputation as an unsafe city. --- I'm in favor of tough enforcement of all gun and violent crime laws. We don't have enough jails to lock up many more low level offenders. I don't favor building any more for-profit private jails. I oppose stop and frisk policies without a specific reason, and that reason cannot be that an individual is black, latino, muslim, et cetera. |
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#7
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From where come Chicago's Guns?
On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 12:48:14 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote: On 11/26/17 12:36 PM, wrote: On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 12:10:46 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: On 11/26/17 11:57 AM, wrote: On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 10:43:09 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: On 11/26/17 8:32 AM, Tim wrote: On Sunday, November 26, 2017 at 5:47:29 AM UTC-6, John H wrote: http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...came-from.html States with the most guns recovered in Chicago Illinois 22,051 Indiana 7,747 Mississippi 4,296 Wisconsin 1,647 Kentucky 1,226 Ohio 1,121 Tennessee 1,090 Alabama 1,070 Arkansas 944 Texas 937 Where the hell's Virginia? The map does show a few, mostly from the Norfolk area, but nothing like Herr Krause indicates. Let's see, that's from the NYTimes, one of the Krause favorites, so can't be biased. Here's a discussion of the gun control laws in Chicago and just how well it 'controls guns'. Sounds like Chuck's Gun Shop is the 'real' gunshow loophole! http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/30/us...tal-shots.html The Virginia trunk dealers are presently out of stock. Tell us, Mr. Rocket Scientist, why would someone who lives in Illinois be interested in buying a firearm in Virginia when next-door Indiana has such lax firearms regulations? Not that Virginia has any sort of serious firearms regulations. When I sold my SIG to a Virginia resident, I arranged for the transfer to be done by an FFL there, but I called the Virginia State Police first and was told they didn't care how I did the transfer. But both the buyer of my SIG and I wanted to do a "kosher" transaction, so we split the $20 FFL fee. You also cleverly ignore the fact that a Chicago (or any out of state) resident buying a handgun in Indiana is already a violation of federal law. Both the buyer and the seller could do federal prison time. Carrying that gun back across state lines is also a federal law violation along with whatever Illinois and Chicago laws they are breaking. Do you really thing that "just one more law" is going to make any difference at all? I know you just want to do something so you can say you hope that will make it better. Why not just pray? The effect will be the same and it only seems that way to a true believer. Ahhh...the Fretwell solution to every serious problem...do nothing and hope it works. === You (of course) missed the important message: new laws are not the answer. The answer that works has already been demonstrated in New York City - tough policing of existing laws; arrest and jail time for low level offenders; stop and frisk policies; holding precinct commanders accountable for their crime statistics. The ensuing drop in crime of all types was unprecedented, and totally transformed NYC's reputation as an unsafe city. --- I'm in favor of tough enforcement of all gun and violent crime laws. We don't have enough jails to lock up many more low level offenders. I don't favor building any more for-profit private jails. I oppose stop and frisk policies without a specific reason, and that reason cannot be that an individual is black, latino, muslim, et cetera. === Then stop whining and accept the consequences. --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com |
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From where come Chicago's Guns?
On 11/26/17 1:15 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 12:48:14 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: On 11/26/17 12:36 PM, wrote: On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 12:10:46 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: On 11/26/17 11:57 AM, wrote: On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 10:43:09 -0500, Keyser Soze wrote: On 11/26/17 8:32 AM, Tim wrote: On Sunday, November 26, 2017 at 5:47:29 AM UTC-6, John H wrote: http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...came-from.html States with the most guns recovered in Chicago Illinois 22,051 Indiana 7,747 Mississippi 4,296 Wisconsin 1,647 Kentucky 1,226 Ohio 1,121 Tennessee 1,090 Alabama 1,070 Arkansas 944 Texas 937 Where the hell's Virginia? The map does show a few, mostly from the Norfolk area, but nothing like Herr Krause indicates. Let's see, that's from the NYTimes, one of the Krause favorites, so can't be biased. Here's a discussion of the gun control laws in Chicago and just how well it 'controls guns'. Sounds like Chuck's Gun Shop is the 'real' gunshow loophole! http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/30/us...tal-shots.html The Virginia trunk dealers are presently out of stock. Tell us, Mr. Rocket Scientist, why would someone who lives in Illinois be interested in buying a firearm in Virginia when next-door Indiana has such lax firearms regulations? Not that Virginia has any sort of serious firearms regulations. When I sold my SIG to a Virginia resident, I arranged for the transfer to be done by an FFL there, but I called the Virginia State Police first and was told they didn't care how I did the transfer. But both the buyer of my SIG and I wanted to do a "kosher" transaction, so we split the $20 FFL fee. You also cleverly ignore the fact that a Chicago (or any out of state) resident buying a handgun in Indiana is already a violation of federal law. Both the buyer and the seller could do federal prison time. Carrying that gun back across state lines is also a federal law violation along with whatever Illinois and Chicago laws they are breaking. Do you really thing that "just one more law" is going to make any difference at all? I know you just want to do something so you can say you hope that will make it better. Why not just pray? The effect will be the same and it only seems that way to a true believer. Ahhh...the Fretwell solution to every serious problem...do nothing and hope it works. === You (of course) missed the important message: new laws are not the answer. The answer that works has already been demonstrated in New York City - tough policing of existing laws; arrest and jail time for low level offenders; stop and frisk policies; holding precinct commanders accountable for their crime statistics. The ensuing drop in crime of all types was unprecedented, and totally transformed NYC's reputation as an unsafe city. --- I'm in favor of tough enforcement of all gun and violent crime laws. We don't have enough jails to lock up many more low level offenders. I don't favor building any more for-profit private jails. I oppose stop and frisk policies without a specific reason, and that reason cannot be that an individual is black, latino, muslim, et cetera. === Then stop whining and accept the consequences. --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com That's absurd. Despite the efforts of Grifter Trump, this isn't Germany of the 1930s and 1940s. |
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From where come Chicago's Guns?
On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 12:48:14 -0500, Keyser Soze
wrote: The answer that works has already been demonstrated in New York City - tough policing of existing laws; arrest and jail time for low level offenders; stop and frisk policies; holding precinct commanders accountable for their crime statistics. The ensuing drop in crime of all types was unprecedented, and totally transformed NYC's reputation as an unsafe city. --- I'm in favor of tough enforcement of all gun and violent crime laws. We don't have enough jails to lock up many more low level offenders. I don't favor building any more for-profit private jails. I oppose stop and frisk policies without a specific reason, and that reason cannot be that an individual is black, latino, muslim, et cetera. So your solution for prison overcrowding is to let those low level criminals continue down the path of crime until they kill someone and then lock them up for life? How is that working in Baltimore? |
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