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wrote:
On Mon, 2 Oct 2017 18:20:42 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

Maybe it *was* an AK. Is there an AK-15? I am not a gun nut.
Not really The AK74 (not 47) shoots a similar round but not exactly
the same. They typically have an orange magazine like the one OBL was
seen with.
They also make an AR that shoots 7.62x39 (the AK round)
There is plenty of cross pollination.

And then there's the .300 blackout.

Alex[_12_]

wrote:
On Tue, 3 Oct 2017 10:48:32 -0700 (PDT), Its Me
wrote:

On Tuesday, October 3, 2017 at 12:03:20 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Tue, 3 Oct 2017 08:34:20 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

I am definitely in favor of mandatory, universal background checks for
firearm purchases. I know others disagree but I think it's only
commonsense. Like most complex issues in a diversified society, some
level of compromise is required to advance the welfare and safety of the
whole.

That is some nice feel good legislation but most of the mass shooters
passed background checks and hard core criminals have other avenues
for getting the guns they want.
Although this guy would have had no problem filling out a Form 4 and
getting the FBI/BATF to sell him a stamp, it appears his machine guns
were illegally obtained/modified.
I heard some reports this morning saying he had a couple of "bump fire" stocks on AR's. At that point it's still a semi-auto with a stock that makes your finger hit the trigger much faster than you could do it manually.
I am really waiting for the actual facts but the fire did sound more
regular than I would expect from a bump fire stock. To be honest I
have never actually fired a gun like that. You can waste ammo faster
by just throwing it in the trash.

Could have been a double tap trigger.

Boating All Out

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says...

On Tue, 3 Oct 2017 10:48:32 -0700 (PDT), Its Me
wrote:

On Tuesday, October 3, 2017 at 12:03:20 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Tue, 3 Oct 2017 08:34:20 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

I am definitely in favor of mandatory, universal background checks for
firearm purchases. I know others disagree but I think it's only
commonsense. Like most complex issues in a diversified society, some
level of compromise is required to advance the welfare and safety of the
whole.

That is some nice feel good legislation but most of the mass shooters
passed background checks and hard core criminals have other avenues
for getting the guns they want.
Although this guy would have had no problem filling out a Form 4 and
getting the FBI/BATF to sell him a stamp, it appears his machine guns
were illegally obtained/modified.

I heard some reports this morning saying he had a couple of "bump fire" stocks on AR's. At that point it's still a semi-auto with a stock that makes your finger hit the trigger much faster than you could do it manually.

I am really waiting for the actual facts but the fire did sound more
regular than I would expect from a bump fire stock. To be honest I
have never actually fired a gun like that. You can waste ammo faster
by just throwing it in the trash.

Ammo wasn't wasted. The gun nuttery worked quite well.
59 dead.

[email protected]

On Tue, 3 Oct 2017 17:09:18 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 10/3/2017 12:14 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 3 Oct 2017 09:34:33 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

I agree but if a universal background check system could stop even *one*
of these events from happening, it would be worth it. A background
check is really not an inconvenience.

It is certainly not a problem for people at a dealer in the city but a
rancher in Montana might disagree if he just wants to give his son an
old gun.

I could accept and understand exceptions for in-family "gifts".

How about selling it to your neighbor?

[email protected]

On Tue, 3 Oct 2017 17:10:46 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 10/3/2017 12:22 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 3 Oct 2017 09:53:27 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

HIPAA is stupid in many ways anyway. Even a caretaker or next of kin can
be barred from the details of a loved one's medical or mental condition
or status.

HIPPA is really a result of the AIDS epidemic. People who may have had
the disease were worried that they might be outed as being gay. Time
has moved on. Gay does not have the stigma it used to have and we now
understand you don't have to be gay to have HIV.
At a certain point it may just be obsolete.

Just like taxes and benefits, once something is approved and put in
place, it's damn near impossible to get rid of it.

You mean like useless gun laws? The only reason the federal AWB is
gone is they wrote a sunset in it. The loopholes had been exploited to
the point that it was meaningless anyway. We imported and sold ~2
million Chinese "thumb hole" AK clones (and other similar weapons) in
the 10 years after the law was passed. That was many times more than
they had sold or imported previously. The revelation that this Vegas
guy was actually using a bump stock sort of gutted the intent of
NFA34 too. If there is a will, or a loophole, there is a way
.... like Harry driving to Virginia to get an otherwise illegal cache
of hi cap magazines.

[email protected]

On Tue, 3 Oct 2017 17:12:41 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 10/3/2017 3:12 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 03 Oct 2017 15:00:33 -0400, John H
wrote:

On Tue, 03 Oct 2017 12:32:05 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 03 Oct 2017 10:08:35 -0400, John H
wrote:

The news has already said that he purchased many from a local gun shop. That included a background check.

Personally, I couldn't care less if every gun transaction required a background check. I've yet to
see where the background checks would have prevented any of these mass shootings, and I disagree
with the 'saving even one life would make anything worth it' approach to regulation enactment. Look
how many lives would be saved if the minimum driving license age was 21.

Hey stop it.
You are not allowed to talk about cars when we are talking about
unnecessary deaths!
They are just "the rub of the green".
How many deaths and injuries would be prevented if cell phones were
totally disabled in a moving car or simply disabling those attention
grabbing dash board toys?
They won't even test drivers. (the ability to parallel park ain't it)
These are all off limits because it would be too inconvenient.

Maryland has strict cell phone/driving laws. Yet there is not a time when driving in Maryland I
don't see folks talking or texting on their cell phones. It shows that a law makes no difference if
it's not enforced.

Most of the time that these things are tested, demonstrates that
talking on a hands free phone is as distracting as using a hand held.
It is not your hands that are distracted, it is your mind.
I am really surprised that these "smart" dash boards are legal.
If you are trying to set the options on the in car computer, you might
as well be driving from the trunk. Even fiddling with a radio that you
have to see to set is plenty distracting. That is why they invented
the push button radio and the "wonder bar" in the first place.

Does your "wonder bar" still work? :-)

Seek still works on my radio if that is what you mean. It has been a
feature on most radios since they stopped having tuning knobs. (solid
state tuner)

Mr. Luddite[_4_]

On 10/3/2017 8:13 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 3 Oct 2017 17:09:18 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 10/3/2017 12:14 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 3 Oct 2017 09:34:33 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

I agree but if a universal background check system could stop even *one*
of these events from happening, it would be worth it. A background
check is really not an inconvenience.

It is certainly not a problem for people at a dealer in the city but a
rancher in Montana might disagree if he just wants to give his son an
old gun.

I could accept and understand exceptions for in-family "gifts".

How about selling it to your neighbor?

Nope.

I don't know how it works in other states but here in MA a background
check is done when you apply for a permit. Once issued, it is good for
six years after which you apply for a renewal and a check is done again.

During the time you hold the permit a quick state check (via phone or
computer) is done by the FFL dealer whenever you purchase a firearm to
ensure the permit is still in good standing and has not been revoked for
any reason. Private sales may be made to other MA residents by going
on-line, providing both his and your permit numbers, the firearm type
and serial number and current addresses. If no issues, you are done and
the sale is legal.

Mr. Luddite[_4_]

On 10/3/2017 8:24 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 3 Oct 2017 17:10:46 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 10/3/2017 12:22 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 3 Oct 2017 09:53:27 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

HIPAA is stupid in many ways anyway. Even a caretaker or next of kin can
be barred from the details of a loved one's medical or mental condition
or status.

HIPPA is really a result of the AIDS epidemic. People who may have had
the disease were worried that they might be outed as being gay. Time
has moved on. Gay does not have the stigma it used to have and we now
understand you don't have to be gay to have HIV.
At a certain point it may just be obsolete.

Just like taxes and benefits, once something is approved and put in
place, it's damn near impossible to get rid of it.

You mean like useless gun laws? The only reason the federal AWB is
gone is they wrote a sunset in it. The loopholes had been exploited to
the point that it was meaningless anyway. We imported and sold ~2
million Chinese "thumb hole" AK clones (and other similar weapons) in
the 10 years after the law was passed. That was many times more than
they had sold or imported previously. The revelation that this Vegas
guy was actually using a bump stock sort of gutted the intent of
NFA34 too. If there is a will, or a loophole, there is a way
... like Harry driving to Virginia to get an otherwise illegal cache
of hi cap magazines.

I know a couple of people who could never be approved for a gun permit
in MA. They wouldn't pass the background check and they really shouldn't
have a gun anyway. Doesn't mean they couldn't obtain a firearm via
illegal means but the fact that they know they can't legally obtain one
is enough of a discouragement. They aren't "bad" people. They just
shouldn't have a firearm.

Mr. Luddite[_4_]

On 10/3/2017 8:31 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 3 Oct 2017 17:12:41 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 10/3/2017 3:12 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 03 Oct 2017 15:00:33 -0400, John H
wrote:

On Tue, 03 Oct 2017 12:32:05 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 03 Oct 2017 10:08:35 -0400, John H
wrote:

The news has already said that he purchased many from a local gun shop. That included a background check.

Personally, I couldn't care less if every gun transaction required a background check. I've yet to
see where the background checks would have prevented any of these mass shootings, and I disagree
with the 'saving even one life would make anything worth it' approach to regulation enactment. Look
how many lives would be saved if the minimum driving license age was 21.

Hey stop it.
You are not allowed to talk about cars when we are talking about
unnecessary deaths!
They are just "the rub of the green".
How many deaths and injuries would be prevented if cell phones were
totally disabled in a moving car or simply disabling those attention
grabbing dash board toys?
They won't even test drivers. (the ability to parallel park ain't it)
These are all off limits because it would be too inconvenient.

Maryland has strict cell phone/driving laws. Yet there is not a time when driving in Maryland I
don't see folks talking or texting on their cell phones. It shows that a law makes no difference if
it's not enforced.

Most of the time that these things are tested, demonstrates that
talking on a hands free phone is as distracting as using a hand held.
It is not your hands that are distracted, it is your mind.
I am really surprised that these "smart" dash boards are legal.
If you are trying to set the options on the in car computer, you might
as well be driving from the trunk. Even fiddling with a radio that you
have to see to set is plenty distracting. That is why they invented
the push button radio and the "wonder bar" in the first place.

Does your "wonder bar" still work? :-)

Seek still works on my radio if that is what you mean. It has been a
feature on most radios since they stopped having tuning knobs. (solid
state tuner)

Old car radios had some odd components that kids would find funny
now-a-days. I still remember vacuum tube car radios that had
"vibrators" in them. The vibrator converted the 6vdc and later 12vdc
battery power to chopped DC which could then be treated as AC and
transformed up and rectified to the operating voltages required for the
tubes. Killed batteries fast though if you weren't running the engine.

justan

Keyser Soze Wrote in message:
On 10/3/17 7:05 PM, justan wrote:
John H Wrote in message:
On Tue, 03 Oct 2017 15:12:51 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 03 Oct 2017 15:00:33 -0400, John H
wrote:

On Tue, 03 Oct 2017 12:32:05 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 03 Oct 2017 10:08:35 -0400, John H
wrote:

The news has already said that he purchased many from a local gun shop. That included a background check.

Personally, I couldn't care less if every gun transaction required a background check. I've yet to
see where the background checks would have prevented any of these mass shootings, and I disagree
with the 'saving even one life would make anything worth it' approach to regulation enactment. Look
how many lives would be saved if the minimum driving license age was 21.

Hey stop it.
You are not allowed to talk about cars when we are talking about
unnecessary deaths!
They are just "the rub of the green".
How many deaths and injuries would be prevented if cell phones were
totally disabled in a moving car or simply disabling those attention
grabbing dash board toys?
They won't even test drivers. (the ability to parallel park ain't it)
These are all off limits because it would be too inconvenient.

Maryland has strict cell phone/driving laws. Yet there is not a time when driving in Maryland I
don't see folks talking or texting on their cell phones. It shows that a law makes no difference if
it's not enforced.

Most of the time that these things are tested, demonstrates that
talking on a hands free phone is as distracting as using a hand held.
It is not your hands that are distracted, it is your mind.
I am really surprised that these "smart" dash boards are legal.
If you are trying to set the options on the in car computer, you might
as well be driving from the trunk. Even fiddling with a radio that you
have to see to set is plenty distracting. That is why they invented
the push button radio and the "wonder bar" in the first place.

Talking is one thing. Texting is another. I see people staring at their cell phone while their thumb
is going crazy on it. They do stop for a second when I hold the horn down while right next to them.
But then they just give me the finger and continue.

With all the gun totin going on up there, you're lucky you don't
get shot. Remember, Harry doesn't live far from you. You don't
want to antagonise him. Keep your eyes peeled for his little blue
truck.

Nah. I only shoot inanimate, dead objects. You and Herring may be brain
dead, but that doesn't count.

That would be comforting if we didn't know you are a compulsive liar.
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