On Tuesday, October 3, 2017 at 9:34:38 AM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/3/2017 9:17 AM, Its Me wrote:
On Tuesday, October 3, 2017 at 8:17:08 AM UTC-4, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/3/17 7:58 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/2/2017 8:45 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/2/17 7:30 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 02 Oct 2017 18:09:38 -0400,
wrote:


That's all going to get a great deal of scrutiny by law enforcement of
course.Â* Based on the sound recordings I've heard it certainly seems
likely to have been full auto, and possibly belt fed based on the
duration of fire.Â* A 223 on full auto will empty a 30 round mag in
about 3 seconds and the bursts I heard seemed much longer than that.

On Mon, 2 Oct 2017 20:03:20 -0400, Alex wrote:

John H wrote:
What a dumb bitch.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/hilla...ry?id=50231518


She assumes the police are 30 seconds away at all times. Dumb assumption.

I see from the earlier posts in the thread that Krause is already trying to tie Trump into this
mess. He and Hillary belong in the same padded room.

On Tuesday, October 3, 2017 at 9:43:50 AM UTC-4, John H wrote:
On Tue, 3 Oct 2017 06:17:44 -0700 (PDT), Its Me wrote:

On Tuesday, October 3, 2017 at 8:17:08 AM UTC-4, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/3/17 7:58 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/2/2017 8:45 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/2/17 7:30 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 02 Oct 2017 18:09:38 -0400,
wrote:


That's all going to get a great deal of scrutiny by law enforcement of
course.Â* Based on the sound recordings I've heard it certainly seems
likely to have been full auto, and possibly belt fed based on the
duration of fire.Â* A 223 on full auto will empty a 30 round mag in
about 3 seconds and the bursts I heard seemed much longer than that.

Another interesting aspect that doesn't seem to have gotten any
coverage is the fact that the hotel has no apparent balconies or
opening windows.Â* That would imply that the shooter blew out the
windows from inside as he started his assault.

They do make larger drum type magazines for ARs.
He broke out the windows.

This was reported as being a "millionaire" so with enough money you
can buy anything. They also say he was a gambler so he may have been
an ex millionaire.
He may have just snapped after a bad night in the casino.


We can all be thankful that in the future Trump's wall and his
restrictions against Muslim nations will keep Mexican and Muslim
terrorists out, leaving the field open for native-born terrorists.


They may affect the influence of terrorist organizations like ISIS on
native-borns.Â* ISIS is claiming responsibility for his actions.

You seem to have just accepted that nothing can be done about these
kinds of horrific shootings and love to Monday morning quarterback every
attempt anyone makes to minimize the threats.


The overwhelming majority of these mass murder shootings are committed
by native-born Americans against other native-born Americans. Trump's
folly wall and muslim bans are just food for his base voters. As you
have pointed out, or at least I thought you did, *mandatory* background
checks for *every* firearms "buy-sell-trade" transaction would be a good
place to start and, yes, *every* means every.

Just think, it will only take 49 more assholes like the one in Vegas to equal what a few muslims did in NY on the morning of 9-11.

I don't really disagree about background checks, but it wouldn't have stopped what happened in Vegas.

And in Chicago we get almost 15 times as many killings every year with the toughest gun laws in the
nation and almost nothing is said. Of course, if you have your felony-free girlfriend buy a gun for
you, then you won't get caught in a background check.

From what I've heard this guy had around a dozen weapons in the room and another bunch at home. I
wonder if they were all purchased without background checks. I doubt it.

The news has already said that he purchased many from a local gun shop. That included a background check.

On 10/3/2017 9:44 AM, Its Me wrote:
On Tuesday, October 3, 2017 at 9:34:38 AM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/3/2017 9:17 AM, Its Me wrote:
On Tuesday, October 3, 2017 at 8:17:08 AM UTC-4, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/3/17 7:58 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/2/2017 8:45 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/2/17 7:30 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 02 Oct 2017 18:09:38 -0400,
wrote:


That's all going to get a great deal of scrutiny by law enforcement of
course.Â* Based on the sound recordings I've heard it certainly seems
likely to have been full auto, and possibly belt fed based on the
duration of fire.Â* A 223 on full auto will empty a 30 round mag in
about 3 seconds and the bursts I heard seemed much longer than that.

Another interesting aspect that doesn't seem to have gotten any
coverage is the fact that the hotel has no apparent balconies or
opening windows.Â* That would imply that the shooter blew out the
windows from inside as he started his assault.

They do make larger drum type magazines for ARs.
He broke out the windows.

This was reported as being a "millionaire" so with enough money you
can buy anything. They also say he was a gambler so he may have been
an ex millionaire.
He may have just snapped after a bad night in the casino.


We can all be thankful that in the future Trump's wall and his
restrictions against Muslim nations will keep Mexican and Muslim
terrorists out, leaving the field open for native-born terrorists.


They may affect the influence of terrorist organizations like ISIS on
native-borns.Â* ISIS is claiming responsibility for his actions.

You seem to have just accepted that nothing can be done about these
kinds of horrific shootings and love to Monday morning quarterback every
attempt anyone makes to minimize the threats.


The overwhelming majority of these mass murder shootings are committed
by native-born Americans against other native-born Americans. Trump's
folly wall and muslim bans are just food for his base voters. As you
have pointed out, or at least I thought you did, *mandatory* background
checks for *every* firearms "buy-sell-trade" transaction would be a good
place to start and, yes, *every* means every.

Just think, it will only take 49 more assholes like the one in Vegas to equal what a few muslims did in NY on the morning of 9-11.


I don't really disagree about background checks, but it wouldn't have stopped what happened in Vegas.


I agree but if a universal background check system could stop even *one*
of these events from happening, it would be worth it. A background
check is really not an inconvenience.


For it to really be effective HIPAA will have to be gutted. Right now someone can be bat-**** crazy and their "privacy" is protected.


Buying and owning a firearm is a right and that right should be
protected. However, owning a firearm constitutes assumption of
responsibility as well. I have no problem with a requirement to
waive any mental disability or competency records from the HIPAA privacy
regulations if one chooses to purchase and own a firearm. It certainly
doesn't mean that all of HIPAA has to be gutted.

HIPAA is stupid in many ways anyway. Even a caretaker or next of kin can
be barred from the details of a loved one's medical or mental condition
or status.

On 10/3/2017 9:46 AM, Its Me wrote:
On Tuesday, October 3, 2017 at 9:43:50 AM UTC-4, John H wrote:
On Tue, 3 Oct 2017 06:17:44 -0700 (PDT), Its Me wrote:

On Tuesday, October 3, 2017 at 8:17:08 AM UTC-4, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/3/17 7:58 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/2/2017 8:45 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/2/17 7:30 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 02 Oct 2017 18:09:38 -0400,
wrote:


That's all going to get a great deal of scrutiny by law enforcement of
course.Â* Based on the sound recordings I've heard it certainly seems
likely to have been full auto, and possibly belt fed based on the
duration of fire.Â* A 223 on full auto will empty a 30 round mag in
about 3 seconds and the bursts I heard seemed much longer than that.

Another interesting aspect that doesn't seem to have gotten any
coverage is the fact that the hotel has no apparent balconies or
opening windows.Â* That would imply that the shooter blew out the
windows from inside as he started his assault.

They do make larger drum type magazines for ARs.
He broke out the windows.

This was reported as being a "millionaire" so with enough money you
can buy anything. They also say he was a gambler so he may have been
an ex millionaire.
He may have just snapped after a bad night in the casino.


We can all be thankful that in the future Trump's wall and his
restrictions against Muslim nations will keep Mexican and Muslim
terrorists out, leaving the field open for native-born terrorists.


They may affect the influence of terrorist organizations like ISIS on
native-borns.Â* ISIS is claiming responsibility for his actions.

You seem to have just accepted that nothing can be done about these
kinds of horrific shootings and love to Monday morning quarterback every
attempt anyone makes to minimize the threats.


The overwhelming majority of these mass murder shootings are committed
by native-born Americans against other native-born Americans. Trump's
folly wall and muslim bans are just food for his base voters. As you
have pointed out, or at least I thought you did, *mandatory* background
checks for *every* firearms "buy-sell-trade" transaction would be a good
place to start and, yes, *every* means every.

Just think, it will only take 49 more assholes like the one in Vegas to equal what a few muslims did in NY on the morning of 9-11.

I don't really disagree about background checks, but it wouldn't have stopped what happened in Vegas.

And in Chicago we get almost 15 times as many killings every year with the toughest gun laws in the
nation and almost nothing is said. Of course, if you have your felony-free girlfriend buy a gun for
you, then you won't get caught in a background check.

From what I've heard this guy had around a dozen weapons in the room and another bunch at home. I
wonder if they were all purchased without background checks. I doubt it.

The news has already said that he purchased many from a local gun shop. That included a background check.



He apparently had no criminal record.

On Tue, 3 Oct 2017 06:46:19 -0700 (PDT), Its Me wrote:

On Tuesday, October 3, 2017 at 9:43:50 AM UTC-4, John H wrote:
On Tue, 3 Oct 2017 06:17:44 -0700 (PDT), Its Me wrote:

On Tuesday, October 3, 2017 at 8:17:08 AM UTC-4, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/3/17 7:58 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/2/2017 8:45 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/2/17 7:30 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 02 Oct 2017 18:09:38 -0400,
wrote:


That's all going to get a great deal of scrutiny by law enforcement of
course.* Based on the sound recordings I've heard it certainly seems
likely to have been full auto, and possibly belt fed based on the
duration of fire.* A 223 on full auto will empty a 30 round mag in
about 3 seconds and the bursts I heard seemed much longer than that.

Another interesting aspect that doesn't seem to have gotten any
coverage is the fact that the hotel has no apparent balconies or
opening windows.* That would imply that the shooter blew out the
windows from inside as he started his assault.

They do make larger drum type magazines for ARs.
He broke out the windows.

This was reported as being a "millionaire" so with enough money you
can buy anything. They also say he was a gambler so he may have been
an ex millionaire.
He may have just snapped after a bad night in the casino.


We can all be thankful that in the future Trump's wall and his
restrictions against Muslim nations will keep Mexican and Muslim
terrorists out, leaving the field open for native-born terrorists.


They may affect the influence of terrorist organizations like ISIS on
native-borns.* ISIS is claiming responsibility for his actions.

You seem to have just accepted that nothing can be done about these
kinds of horrific shootings and love to Monday morning quarterback every
attempt anyone makes to minimize the threats.


The overwhelming majority of these mass murder shootings are committed
by native-born Americans against other native-born Americans. Trump's
folly wall and muslim bans are just food for his base voters. As you
have pointed out, or at least I thought you did, *mandatory* background
checks for *every* firearms "buy-sell-trade" transaction would be a good
place to start and, yes, *every* means every.

Just think, it will only take 49 more assholes like the one in Vegas to equal what a few muslims did in NY on the morning of 9-11.

I don't really disagree about background checks, but it wouldn't have stopped what happened in Vegas.

And in Chicago we get almost 15 times as many killings every year with the toughest gun laws in the
nation and almost nothing is said. Of course, if you have your felony-free girlfriend buy a gun for
you, then you won't get caught in a background check.

From what I've heard this guy had around a dozen weapons in the room and another bunch at home. I
wonder if they were all purchased without background checks. I doubt it.

The news has already said that he purchased many from a local gun shop. That included a background check.

Personally, I couldn't care less if every gun transaction required a background check. I've yet to
see where the background checks would have prevented any of these mass shootings, and I disagree
with the 'saving even one life would make anything worth it' approach to regulation enactment. Look
how many lives would be saved if the minimum driving license age was 21.

On Tuesday, October 3, 2017 at 9:53:33 AM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/3/2017 9:44 AM, Its Me wrote:
On Tuesday, October 3, 2017 at 9:34:38 AM UTC-4, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/3/2017 9:17 AM, Its Me wrote:
On Tuesday, October 3, 2017 at 8:17:08 AM UTC-4, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/3/17 7:58 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/2/2017 8:45 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/2/17 7:30 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 02 Oct 2017 18:09:38 -0400,
wrote:


That's all going to get a great deal of scrutiny by law enforcement of
course.Â* Based on the sound recordings I've heard it certainly seems
likely to have been full auto, and possibly belt fed based on the
duration of fire.Â* A 223 on full auto will empty a 30 round mag in
about 3 seconds and the bursts I heard seemed much longer than that.

Another interesting aspect that doesn't seem to have gotten any
coverage is the fact that the hotel has no apparent balconies or
opening windows.Â* That would imply that the shooter blew out the
windows from inside as he started his assault.

They do make larger drum type magazines for ARs.
He broke out the windows.

This was reported as being a "millionaire" so with enough money you
can buy anything. They also say he was a gambler so he may have been
an ex millionaire.
He may have just snapped after a bad night in the casino.


We can all be thankful that in the future Trump's wall and his
restrictions against Muslim nations will keep Mexican and Muslim
terrorists out, leaving the field open for native-born terrorists.


They may affect the influence of terrorist organizations like ISIS on
native-borns.Â* ISIS is claiming responsibility for his actions..

You seem to have just accepted that nothing can be done about these
kinds of horrific shootings and love to Monday morning quarterback every
attempt anyone makes to minimize the threats.


The overwhelming majority of these mass murder shootings are committed
by native-born Americans against other native-born Americans. Trump's
folly wall and muslim bans are just food for his base voters. As you
have pointed out, or at least I thought you did, *mandatory* background
checks for *every* firearms "buy-sell-trade" transaction would be a good
place to start and, yes, *every* means every.

Just think, it will only take 49 more assholes like the one in Vegas to equal what a few muslims did in NY on the morning of 9-11.


I don't really disagree about background checks, but it wouldn't have stopped what happened in Vegas.


I agree but if a universal background check system could stop even *one*
of these events from happening, it would be worth it. A background
check is really not an inconvenience.


For it to really be effective HIPAA will have to be gutted. Right now someone can be bat-**** crazy and their "privacy" is protected.


Buying and owning a firearm is a right and that right should be
protected. However, owning a firearm constitutes assumption of
responsibility as well. I have no problem with a requirement to
waive any mental disability or competency records from the HIPAA privacy
regulations if one chooses to purchase and own a firearm. It certainly
doesn't mean that all of HIPAA has to be gutted.

There is a problem with that. We've already seen reports of activist doctors asking patients if they own guns, and if they do, refusing to treat them.. It wouldn't take much for a like-minded doctor to make a carefully worded entry on a patient's record that would put them on the "no-buy" list. How in the hell would you get cleared from that?

HIPAA is stupid in many ways anyway. Even a caretaker or next of kin can
be barred from the details of a loved one's medical or mental condition
or status.

Yes.

John H Wrote in message:
On Tue, 3 Oct 2017 06:46:19 -0700 (PDT), Its Me wrote:

On Tuesday, October 3, 2017 at 9:43:50 AM UTC-4, John H wrote:
On Tue, 3 Oct 2017 06:17:44 -0700 (PDT), Its Me wrote:

On Tuesday, October 3, 2017 at 8:17:08 AM UTC-4, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/3/17 7:58 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/2/2017 8:45 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/2/17 7:30 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 02 Oct 2017 18:09:38 -0400,
wrote:


That's all going to get a great deal of scrutiny by law enforcement of
course. Based on the sound recordings I've heard it certainly seems
likely to have been full auto, and possibly belt fed based on the
duration of fire. A 223 on full auto will empty a 30 round mag in
about 3 seconds and the bursts I heard seemed much longer than that.

Another interesting aspect that doesn't seem to have gotten any
coverage is the fact that the hotel has no apparent balconies or
opening windows. That would imply that the shooter blew out the
windows from inside as he started his assault.

They do make larger drum type magazines for ARs.
He broke out the windows.

This was reported as being a "millionaire" so with enough money you
can buy anything. They also say he was a gambler so he may have been
an ex millionaire.
He may have just snapped after a bad night in the casino.


We can all be thankful that in the future Trump's wall and his
restrictions against Muslim nations will keep Mexican and Muslim
terrorists out, leaving the field open for native-born terrorists.


They may affect the influence of terrorist organizations like ISIS on
native-borns. ISIS is claiming responsibility for his actions.

You seem to have just accepted that nothing can be done about these
kinds of horrific shootings and love to Monday morning quarterback every
attempt anyone makes to minimize the threats.


The overwhelming majority of these mass murder shootings are committed
by native-born Americans against other native-born Americans. Trump's
folly wall and muslim bans are just food for his base voters. As you
have pointed out, or at least I thought you did, *mandatory* background
checks for *every* firearms "buy-sell-trade" transaction would be a good
place to start and, yes, *every* means every.

Just think, it will only take 49 more assholes like the one in Vegas to equal what a few muslims did in NY on the morning of 9-11.

I don't really disagree about background checks, but it wouldn't have stopped what happened in Vegas.

And in Chicago we get almost 15 times as many killings every year with the toughest gun laws in the
nation and almost nothing is said. Of course, if you have your felony-free girlfriend buy a gun for
you, then you won't get caught in a background check.

From what I've heard this guy had around a dozen weapons in the room and another bunch at home. I
wonder if they were all purchased without background checks. I doubt it.

The news has already said that he purchased many from a local gun shop. That included a background check.

Personally, I couldn't care less if every gun transaction required a background check. I've yet to
see where the background checks would have prevented any of these mass shootings, and I disagree
with the 'saving even one life would make anything worth it' approach to regulation enactment. Look
how many lives would be saved if the minimum driving license age was 21.


Look how many lives could be saved if these so called mental
health professionals knew what they were doing. How many so
called rehabilitated nut cases go on to commit murders or other
sick crimes after they have been released?
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On Tue, 3 Oct 2017 08:17:04 -0400, Keyser Soze wrote:

*mandatory* background
checks for *every* firearms "buy-sell-trade" transaction would be a good
place to start and, yes, *every* means every.

This guy had a clean record with the cops so that was not the answer.

Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/3/2017 8:17 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/3/17 7:58 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/2/2017 8:45 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/2/17 7:30 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 02 Oct 2017 18:09:38 -0400,
wrote:


That's all going to get a great deal of scrutiny by law enforcement of
course.Â* Based on the sound recordings I've heard it certainly seems
likely to have been full auto, and possibly belt fed based on the
duration of fire.Â* A 223 on full auto will empty a 30 round mag in
about 3 seconds and the bursts I heard seemed much longer than that.

Another interesting aspect that doesn't seem to have gotten any
coverage is the fact that the hotel has no apparent balconies or
opening windows.Â* That would imply that the shooter blew out the
windows from inside as he started his assault.

They do make larger drum type magazines for ARs.
He broke out the windows.

This was reported as being a "millionaire" so with enough money you
can buy anything. They also say he was a gambler so he may have been
an ex millionaire.
He may have just snapped after a bad night in the casino.


We can all be thankful that in the future Trump's wall and his
restrictions against Muslim nations will keep Mexican and Muslim
terrorists out, leaving the field open for native-born terrorists.


They may affect the influence of terrorist organizations like ISIS on
native-borns.Â* ISIS is claiming responsibility for his actions.

You seem to have just accepted that nothing can be done about these
kinds of horrific shootings and love to Monday morning quarterback
every attempt anyone makes to minimize the threats.


The overwhelming majority of these mass murder shootings are committed
by native-born Americans against other native-born Americans. Trump's
folly wall and muslim bans are just food for his base voters. As you
have pointed out, or at least I thought you did, *mandatory* background
checks for *every* firearms "buy-sell-trade" transaction would be a good
place to start and, yes, *every* means every.


I am definitely in favor of mandatory, universal background checks for
firearm purchases. I know others disagree but I think it's only
commonsense. Like most complex issues in a diversified society, some
level of compromise is required to advance the welfare and safety of the
whole.






The problem is criminals will not background check. They will buy stolen
weapons. Gun shops are robbed, military arms are stolen. How many Chicago
shootings are committed by weapons that have been bought legally? We
really do not enforce gun laws, except on law abiding people. A lot of
years ago there was an Armored Car robbery in Canada. Weapon was found,
105 recoilless rifle. People figured it would be easy to find the
miscreants by tracing the rifle. Government comment. . . 105 recoilless
rifles were never sold to the public, and they are easy to acquire.
Biggest change over the years is the political correctness of treating
crazy people. Hard to institutionalize them now. How many really nutty
people have the people like Harry's spouse cured? What percentage?