On Tue, 3 Oct 2017 12:32:09 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

2:13
On Tue, 03 Oct 2017 15:00:33 -0400, John H
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Most of the time that these things are tested, demonstrates that
talking on a hands free phone is as distracting as using a hand held.
It is not your hands that are distracted, it is your mind.
I am really surprised that these "smart" dash boards are legal.
If you are trying to set the options on the in car computer, you might
as well be driving from the trunk. Even fiddling with a radio that you
have to see to set is plenty distracting. That is why they invented
the push button radio and the "wonder bar" in the first place.
.....
My caddys has wonder bar radios. Also my buicks had Speed setters where you could see the needle where you wanted and I'd the speedo needle hit it. The thing would buzzzzz. Better to use the cruise control.

My wife's Honda CRV has built in GPS. You have to be in park to set it...

My wife's Lincoln GPS is the same way but you can still diddle with
directory structure, trying to find the MP3 you are looking for or
fool with the blue tooth trying to figure out why it didn't pair your
phone, going down the road.

The flip side of that is if they do have an "in motion" lockout, there
is no way to disable it if the passenger wants to change something.
Maybe they need a switch the driver can't reach paired with the
occupancy sensor on the passenger seat or just put all of these
controls over where the glove box goes.

On Tue, 03 Oct 2017 15:32:40 -0400, John H
wrote:

On Tue, 03 Oct 2017 15:12:51 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 03 Oct 2017 15:00:33 -0400, John H
wrote:

On Tue, 03 Oct 2017 12:32:05 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 03 Oct 2017 10:08:35 -0400, John H
wrote:

The news has already said that he purchased many from a local gun shop. That included a background check.

Personally, I couldn't care less if every gun transaction required a background check. I've yet to
see where the background checks would have prevented any of these mass shootings, and I disagree
with the 'saving even one life would make anything worth it' approach to regulation enactment. Look
how many lives would be saved if the minimum driving license age was 21.

Hey stop it.
You are not allowed to talk about cars when we are talking about
unnecessary deaths!
They are just "the rub of the green".
How many deaths and injuries would be prevented if cell phones were
totally disabled in a moving car or simply disabling those attention
grabbing dash board toys?
They won't even test drivers. (the ability to parallel park ain't it)
These are all off limits because it would be too inconvenient.

Maryland has strict cell phone/driving laws. Yet there is not a time when driving in Maryland I
don't see folks talking or texting on their cell phones. It shows that a law makes no difference if
it's not enforced.

Most of the time that these things are tested, demonstrates that
talking on a hands free phone is as distracting as using a hand held.
It is not your hands that are distracted, it is your mind.
I am really surprised that these "smart" dash boards are legal.
If you are trying to set the options on the in car computer, you might
as well be driving from the trunk. Even fiddling with a radio that you
have to see to set is plenty distracting. That is why they invented
the push button radio and the "wonder bar" in the first place.

Talking is one thing. Texting is another. I see people staring at their cell phone while their thumb
is going crazy on it. They do stop for a second when I hold the horn down while right next to them.
But then they just give me the finger and continue.

Both have no business going on while driving if safety is your
concern. If we used the same standard for cars that they want for
guns, there wouldn't be anything that is not necessary to actually
operate the car visible or accessible from the driver's seat.

We haven't even mentioned the drive through window and all of the
stuff people think they can eat or drink while they drive. I have seen
people eating a salad or a cup of Wendy's chili, going down the
beltway at 60-70 ... in traffic.

On 3 Oct 2017 13:23:55 GMT, Keyser Soze wrote:

Its Me wrote:

I don't really disagree about background checks, but it wouldn't have
stopped what happened in Vegas.


Virtually all the 9-11 terrorists were not from countries on DumbTrump’s
“banned� list.

No, but they were organized and trained by bin Laden in Afghanistan,
supported by the Taliban.

What difference does it make where they originally came from?

Now-a-days terrorists come from almost anywhere ... including the USA.

On 10/3/2017 12:14 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 3 Oct 2017 09:34:33 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


I agree but if a universal background check system could stop even *one*
of these events from happening, it would be worth it. A background
check is really not an inconvenience.

It is certainly not a problem for people at a dealer in the city but a
rancher in Montana might disagree if he just wants to give his son an
old gun.


I could accept and understand exceptions for in-family "gifts".

On 10/3/2017 12:22 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 3 Oct 2017 09:53:27 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

HIPAA is stupid in many ways anyway. Even a caretaker or next of kin can
be barred from the details of a loved one's medical or mental condition
or status.

HIPPA is really a result of the AIDS epidemic. People who may have had
the disease were worried that they might be outed as being gay. Time
has moved on. Gay does not have the stigma it used to have and we now
understand you don't have to be gay to have HIV.
At a certain point it may just be obsolete.


Just like taxes and benefits, once something is approved and put in
place, it's damn near impossible to get rid of it.

On 10/3/2017 3:12 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 03 Oct 2017 15:00:33 -0400, John H
wrote:

On Tue, 03 Oct 2017 12:32:05 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 03 Oct 2017 10:08:35 -0400, John H
wrote:

The news has already said that he purchased many from a local gun shop. That included a background check.

Personally, I couldn't care less if every gun transaction required a background check. I've yet to
see where the background checks would have prevented any of these mass shootings, and I disagree
with the 'saving even one life would make anything worth it' approach to regulation enactment. Look
how many lives would be saved if the minimum driving license age was 21.

Hey stop it.
You are not allowed to talk about cars when we are talking about
unnecessary deaths!
They are just "the rub of the green".
How many deaths and injuries would be prevented if cell phones were
totally disabled in a moving car or simply disabling those attention
grabbing dash board toys?
They won't even test drivers. (the ability to parallel park ain't it)
These are all off limits because it would be too inconvenient.

Maryland has strict cell phone/driving laws. Yet there is not a time when driving in Maryland I
don't see folks talking or texting on their cell phones. It shows that a law makes no difference if
it's not enforced.


Most of the time that these things are tested, demonstrates that
talking on a hands free phone is as distracting as using a hand held.
It is not your hands that are distracted, it is your mind.
I am really surprised that these "smart" dash boards are legal.
If you are trying to set the options on the in car computer, you might
as well be driving from the trunk. Even fiddling with a radio that you
have to see to set is plenty distracting. That is why they invented
the push button radio and the "wonder bar" in the first place.


Does your "wonder bar" still work? :-)

Tim wrote:
2:13
On Tue, 03 Oct 2017 15:00:33 -0400, John H
- show quoted text -
Most of the time that these things are tested, demonstrates that
talking on a hands free phone is as distracting as using a hand held.
It is not your hands that are distracted, it is your mind.
I am really surprised that these "smart" dash boards are legal.
If you are trying to set the options on the in car computer, you might
as well be driving from the trunk. Even fiddling with a radio that you
have to see to set is plenty distracting. That is why they invented
the push button radio and the "wonder bar" in the first place.
.....
My caddys has wonder bar radios. Also my buicks had Speed setters where
you could see the needle where you wanted and I'd the speedo needle hit
it. The thing would buzzzzz. Better to use the cruise control.

My wife's Honda CRV has built in GPS. You have to be in park to set it...


Both my wife's Toyota GPS and my TomTom in my Volt take voice commands
while moving. To manually set the Toyota you have to be stopped.

On 10/3/2017 5:43 PM, Bill wrote:
Tim wrote:
2:13
On Tue, 03 Oct 2017 15:00:33 -0400, John H
- show quoted text -
Most of the time that these things are tested, demonstrates that
talking on a hands free phone is as distracting as using a hand held.
It is not your hands that are distracted, it is your mind.
I am really surprised that these "smart" dash boards are legal.
If you are trying to set the options on the in car computer, you might
as well be driving from the trunk. Even fiddling with a radio that you
have to see to set is plenty distracting. That is why they invented
the push button radio and the "wonder bar" in the first place.
.....
My caddys has wonder bar radios. Also my buicks had Speed setters where
you could see the needle where you wanted and I'd the speedo needle hit
it. The thing would buzzzzz. Better to use the cruise control.

My wife's Honda CRV has built in GPS. You have to be in park to set it...


Both my wife's Toyota GPS and my TomTom in my Volt take voice commands
while moving. To manually set the Toyota you have to be stopped.



My truck (Canyon) also takes voice commands for the GPS. Haven't tried
it because so far I haven't gone anywhere that I don't know. I use the
voice commands for the phone all the time though. If I get a text
message, a female voice reads it to me, so I don't have to take my eyes
off the road.

John H Wrote in message:
On Tue, 03 Oct 2017 15:12:51 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 03 Oct 2017 15:00:33 -0400, John H
wrote:

On Tue, 03 Oct 2017 12:32:05 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 03 Oct 2017 10:08:35 -0400, John H
wrote:

The news has already said that he purchased many from a local gun shop. That included a background check.

Personally, I couldn't care less if every gun transaction required a background check. I've yet to
see where the background checks would have prevented any of these mass shootings, and I disagree
with the 'saving even one life would make anything worth it' approach to regulation enactment. Look
how many lives would be saved if the minimum driving license age was 21.

Hey stop it.
You are not allowed to talk about cars when we are talking about
unnecessary deaths!
They are just "the rub of the green".
How many deaths and injuries would be prevented if cell phones were
totally disabled in a moving car or simply disabling those attention
grabbing dash board toys?
They won't even test drivers. (the ability to parallel park ain't it)
These are all off limits because it would be too inconvenient.

Maryland has strict cell phone/driving laws. Yet there is not a time when driving in Maryland I
don't see folks talking or texting on their cell phones. It shows that a law makes no difference if
it's not enforced.

Most of the time that these things are tested, demonstrates that
talking on a hands free phone is as distracting as using a hand held.
It is not your hands that are distracted, it is your mind.
I am really surprised that these "smart" dash boards are legal.
If you are trying to set the options on the in car computer, you might
as well be driving from the trunk. Even fiddling with a radio that you
have to see to set is plenty distracting. That is why they invented
the push button radio and the "wonder bar" in the first place.

Talking is one thing. Texting is another. I see people staring at their cell phone while their thumb
is going crazy on it. They do stop for a second when I hold the horn down while right next to them.
But then they just give me the finger and continue.


With all the gun totin going on up there, you're lucky you don't
get shot. Remember, Harry doesn't live far from you. You don't
want to antagonise him. Keep your eyes peeled for his little blue
truck.
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On 10/3/17 7:05 PM, justan wrote:
John H Wrote in message:
On Tue, 03 Oct 2017 15:12:51 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 03 Oct 2017 15:00:33 -0400, John H
wrote:

On Tue, 03 Oct 2017 12:32:05 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 03 Oct 2017 10:08:35 -0400, John H
wrote:

The news has already said that he purchased many from a local gun shop. That included a background check.

Personally, I couldn't care less if every gun transaction required a background check. I've yet to
see where the background checks would have prevented any of these mass shootings, and I disagree
with the 'saving even one life would make anything worth it' approach to regulation enactment. Look
how many lives would be saved if the minimum driving license age was 21.

Hey stop it.
You are not allowed to talk about cars when we are talking about
unnecessary deaths!
They are just "the rub of the green".
How many deaths and injuries would be prevented if cell phones were
totally disabled in a moving car or simply disabling those attention
grabbing dash board toys?
They won't even test drivers. (the ability to parallel park ain't it)
These are all off limits because it would be too inconvenient.

Maryland has strict cell phone/driving laws. Yet there is not a time when driving in Maryland I
don't see folks talking or texting on their cell phones. It shows that a law makes no difference if
it's not enforced.

Most of the time that these things are tested, demonstrates that
talking on a hands free phone is as distracting as using a hand held.
It is not your hands that are distracted, it is your mind.
I am really surprised that these "smart" dash boards are legal.
If you are trying to set the options on the in car computer, you might
as well be driving from the trunk. Even fiddling with a radio that you
have to see to set is plenty distracting. That is why they invented
the push button radio and the "wonder bar" in the first place.

Talking is one thing. Texting is another. I see people staring at their cell phone while their thumb
is going crazy on it. They do stop for a second when I hold the horn down while right next to them.
But then they just give me the finger and continue.


With all the gun totin going on up there, you're lucky you don't
get shot. Remember, Harry doesn't live far from you. You don't
want to antagonise him. Keep your eyes peeled for his little blue
truck.


Nah. I only shoot inanimate, dead objects. You and Herring may be brain
dead, but that doesn't count.