On Tue, 3 Oct 2017 06:46:19 -0700 (PDT), Its Me wrote:

On Tuesday, October 3, 2017 at 9:43:50 AM UTC-4, John H wrote:
On Tue, 3 Oct 2017 06:17:44 -0700 (PDT), Its Me wrote:

On Tuesday, October 3, 2017 at 8:17:08 AM UTC-4, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/3/17 7:58 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/2/2017 8:45 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/2/17 7:30 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 02 Oct 2017 18:09:38 -0400,
wrote:


That's all going to get a great deal of scrutiny by law enforcement of
course.* Based on the sound recordings I've heard it certainly seems
likely to have been full auto, and possibly belt fed based on the
duration of fire.* A 223 on full auto will empty a 30 round mag in
about 3 seconds and the bursts I heard seemed much longer than that.

Another interesting aspect that doesn't seem to have gotten any
coverage is the fact that the hotel has no apparent balconies or
opening windows.* That would imply that the shooter blew out the
windows from inside as he started his assault.

They do make larger drum type magazines for ARs.
He broke out the windows.

This was reported as being a "millionaire" so with enough money you
can buy anything. They also say he was a gambler so he may have been
an ex millionaire.
He may have just snapped after a bad night in the casino.


We can all be thankful that in the future Trump's wall and his
restrictions against Muslim nations will keep Mexican and Muslim
terrorists out, leaving the field open for native-born terrorists.


They may affect the influence of terrorist organizations like ISIS on
native-borns.* ISIS is claiming responsibility for his actions.

You seem to have just accepted that nothing can be done about these
kinds of horrific shootings and love to Monday morning quarterback every
attempt anyone makes to minimize the threats.


The overwhelming majority of these mass murder shootings are committed
by native-born Americans against other native-born Americans. Trump's
folly wall and muslim bans are just food for his base voters. As you
have pointed out, or at least I thought you did, *mandatory* background
checks for *every* firearms "buy-sell-trade" transaction would be a good
place to start and, yes, *every* means every.

Just think, it will only take 49 more assholes like the one in Vegas to equal what a few muslims did in NY on the morning of 9-11.

I don't really disagree about background checks, but it wouldn't have stopped what happened in Vegas.

And in Chicago we get almost 15 times as many killings every year with the toughest gun laws in the
nation and almost nothing is said. Of course, if you have your felony-free girlfriend buy a gun for
you, then you won't get caught in a background check.

From what I've heard this guy had around a dozen weapons in the room and another bunch at home. I
wonder if they were all purchased without background checks. I doubt it.

The news has already said that he purchased many from a local gun shop. That included a background check.

Personally, I couldn't care less if every gun transaction required a background check. I've yet to
see where the background checks would have prevented any of these mass shootings, and I disagree
with the 'saving even one life would make anything worth it' approach to regulation enactment. Look
how many lives would be saved if the minimum driving license age was 21.

John H Wrote in message:
On Tue, 3 Oct 2017 06:46:19 -0700 (PDT), Its Me wrote:

On Tuesday, October 3, 2017 at 9:43:50 AM UTC-4, John H wrote:
On Tue, 3 Oct 2017 06:17:44 -0700 (PDT), Its Me wrote:

On Tuesday, October 3, 2017 at 8:17:08 AM UTC-4, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/3/17 7:58 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/2/2017 8:45 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/2/17 7:30 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 02 Oct 2017 18:09:38 -0400,
wrote:


That's all going to get a great deal of scrutiny by law enforcement of
course. Based on the sound recordings I've heard it certainly seems
likely to have been full auto, and possibly belt fed based on the
duration of fire. A 223 on full auto will empty a 30 round mag in
about 3 seconds and the bursts I heard seemed much longer than that.

Another interesting aspect that doesn't seem to have gotten any
coverage is the fact that the hotel has no apparent balconies or
opening windows. That would imply that the shooter blew out the
windows from inside as he started his assault.

They do make larger drum type magazines for ARs.
He broke out the windows.

This was reported as being a "millionaire" so with enough money you
can buy anything. They also say he was a gambler so he may have been
an ex millionaire.
He may have just snapped after a bad night in the casino.


We can all be thankful that in the future Trump's wall and his
restrictions against Muslim nations will keep Mexican and Muslim
terrorists out, leaving the field open for native-born terrorists.


They may affect the influence of terrorist organizations like ISIS on
native-borns. ISIS is claiming responsibility for his actions.

You seem to have just accepted that nothing can be done about these
kinds of horrific shootings and love to Monday morning quarterback every
attempt anyone makes to minimize the threats.


The overwhelming majority of these mass murder shootings are committed
by native-born Americans against other native-born Americans. Trump's
folly wall and muslim bans are just food for his base voters. As you
have pointed out, or at least I thought you did, *mandatory* background
checks for *every* firearms "buy-sell-trade" transaction would be a good
place to start and, yes, *every* means every.

Just think, it will only take 49 more assholes like the one in Vegas to equal what a few muslims did in NY on the morning of 9-11.

I don't really disagree about background checks, but it wouldn't have stopped what happened in Vegas.

And in Chicago we get almost 15 times as many killings every year with the toughest gun laws in the
nation and almost nothing is said. Of course, if you have your felony-free girlfriend buy a gun for
you, then you won't get caught in a background check.

From what I've heard this guy had around a dozen weapons in the room and another bunch at home. I
wonder if they were all purchased without background checks. I doubt it.

The news has already said that he purchased many from a local gun shop. That included a background check.

Personally, I couldn't care less if every gun transaction required a background check. I've yet to
see where the background checks would have prevented any of these mass shootings, and I disagree
with the 'saving even one life would make anything worth it' approach to regulation enactment. Look
how many lives would be saved if the minimum driving license age was 21.


Look how many lives could be saved if these so called mental
health professionals knew what they were doing. How many so
called rehabilitated nut cases go on to commit murders or other
sick crimes after they have been released?
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On Tue, 03 Oct 2017 10:08:35 -0400, John H
wrote:

The news has already said that he purchased many from a local gun shop. That included a background check.

Personally, I couldn't care less if every gun transaction required a background check. I've yet to
see where the background checks would have prevented any of these mass shootings, and I disagree
with the 'saving even one life would make anything worth it' approach to regulation enactment. Look
how many lives would be saved if the minimum driving license age was 21.

Hey stop it.
You are not allowed to talk about cars when we are talking about
unnecessary deaths!
They are just "the rub of the green".
How many deaths and injuries would be prevented if cell phones were
totally disabled in a moving car or simply disabling those attention
grabbing dash board toys?
They won't even test drivers. (the ability to parallel park ain't it)
These are all off limits because it would be too inconvenient.

On Tue, 03 Oct 2017 12:32:05 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 03 Oct 2017 10:08:35 -0400, John H
wrote:

The news has already said that he purchased many from a local gun shop. That included a background check.

Personally, I couldn't care less if every gun transaction required a background check. I've yet to
see where the background checks would have prevented any of these mass shootings, and I disagree
with the 'saving even one life would make anything worth it' approach to regulation enactment. Look
how many lives would be saved if the minimum driving license age was 21.

Hey stop it.
You are not allowed to talk about cars when we are talking about
unnecessary deaths!
They are just "the rub of the green".
How many deaths and injuries would be prevented if cell phones were
totally disabled in a moving car or simply disabling those attention
grabbing dash board toys?
They won't even test drivers. (the ability to parallel park ain't it)
These are all off limits because it would be too inconvenient.

Maryland has strict cell phone/driving laws. Yet there is not a time when driving in Maryland I
don't see folks talking or texting on their cell phones. It shows that a law makes no difference if
it's not enforced.

On Tue, 03 Oct 2017 15:00:33 -0400, John H
wrote:

On Tue, 03 Oct 2017 12:32:05 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 03 Oct 2017 10:08:35 -0400, John H
wrote:

The news has already said that he purchased many from a local gun shop. That included a background check.

Personally, I couldn't care less if every gun transaction required a background check. I've yet to
see where the background checks would have prevented any of these mass shootings, and I disagree
with the 'saving even one life would make anything worth it' approach to regulation enactment. Look
how many lives would be saved if the minimum driving license age was 21.

Hey stop it.
You are not allowed to talk about cars when we are talking about
unnecessary deaths!
They are just "the rub of the green".
How many deaths and injuries would be prevented if cell phones were
totally disabled in a moving car or simply disabling those attention
grabbing dash board toys?
They won't even test drivers. (the ability to parallel park ain't it)
These are all off limits because it would be too inconvenient.

Maryland has strict cell phone/driving laws. Yet there is not a time when driving in Maryland I
don't see folks talking or texting on their cell phones. It shows that a law makes no difference if
it's not enforced.

Most of the time that these things are tested, demonstrates that
talking on a hands free phone is as distracting as using a hand held.
It is not your hands that are distracted, it is your mind.
I am really surprised that these "smart" dash boards are legal.
If you are trying to set the options on the in car computer, you might
as well be driving from the trunk. Even fiddling with a radio that you
have to see to set is plenty distracting. That is why they invented
the push button radio and the "wonder bar" in the first place.

2:13
On Tue, 03 Oct 2017 15:00:33 -0400, John H
- show quoted text -
Most of the time that these things are tested, demonstrates that
talking on a hands free phone is as distracting as using a hand held.
It is not your hands that are distracted, it is your mind.
I am really surprised that these "smart" dash boards are legal.
If you are trying to set the options on the in car computer, you might
as well be driving from the trunk. Even fiddling with a radio that you
have to see to set is plenty distracting. That is why they invented
the push button radio and the "wonder bar" in the first place.
......
My caddys has wonder bar radios. Also my buicks had Speed setters where you could see the needle where you wanted and I'd the speedo needle hit it. The thing would buzzzzz. Better to use the cruise control.

My wife's Honda CRV has built in GPS. You have to be in park to set it...

On Tue, 3 Oct 2017 12:32:09 -0700 (PDT), Tim
wrote:

2:13
On Tue, 03 Oct 2017 15:00:33 -0400, John H
- show quoted text -
Most of the time that these things are tested, demonstrates that
talking on a hands free phone is as distracting as using a hand held.
It is not your hands that are distracted, it is your mind.
I am really surprised that these "smart" dash boards are legal.
If you are trying to set the options on the in car computer, you might
as well be driving from the trunk. Even fiddling with a radio that you
have to see to set is plenty distracting. That is why they invented
the push button radio and the "wonder bar" in the first place.
.....
My caddys has wonder bar radios. Also my buicks had Speed setters where you could see the needle where you wanted and I'd the speedo needle hit it. The thing would buzzzzz. Better to use the cruise control.

My wife's Honda CRV has built in GPS. You have to be in park to set it...

My wife's Lincoln GPS is the same way but you can still diddle with
directory structure, trying to find the MP3 you are looking for or
fool with the blue tooth trying to figure out why it didn't pair your
phone, going down the road.

The flip side of that is if they do have an "in motion" lockout, there
is no way to disable it if the passenger wants to change something.
Maybe they need a switch the driver can't reach paired with the
occupancy sensor on the passenger seat or just put all of these
controls over where the glove box goes.

Tim wrote:
2:13
On Tue, 03 Oct 2017 15:00:33 -0400, John H
- show quoted text -
Most of the time that these things are tested, demonstrates that
talking on a hands free phone is as distracting as using a hand held.
It is not your hands that are distracted, it is your mind.
I am really surprised that these "smart" dash boards are legal.
If you are trying to set the options on the in car computer, you might
as well be driving from the trunk. Even fiddling with a radio that you
have to see to set is plenty distracting. That is why they invented
the push button radio and the "wonder bar" in the first place.
.....
My caddys has wonder bar radios. Also my buicks had Speed setters where
you could see the needle where you wanted and I'd the speedo needle hit
it. The thing would buzzzzz. Better to use the cruise control.

My wife's Honda CRV has built in GPS. You have to be in park to set it...


Both my wife's Toyota GPS and my TomTom in my Volt take voice commands
while moving. To manually set the Toyota you have to be stopped.

On 10/3/2017 5:43 PM, Bill wrote:
Tim wrote:
2:13
On Tue, 03 Oct 2017 15:00:33 -0400, John H
- show quoted text -
Most of the time that these things are tested, demonstrates that
talking on a hands free phone is as distracting as using a hand held.
It is not your hands that are distracted, it is your mind.
I am really surprised that these "smart" dash boards are legal.
If you are trying to set the options on the in car computer, you might
as well be driving from the trunk. Even fiddling with a radio that you
have to see to set is plenty distracting. That is why they invented
the push button radio and the "wonder bar" in the first place.
.....
My caddys has wonder bar radios. Also my buicks had Speed setters where
you could see the needle where you wanted and I'd the speedo needle hit
it. The thing would buzzzzz. Better to use the cruise control.

My wife's Honda CRV has built in GPS. You have to be in park to set it...


Both my wife's Toyota GPS and my TomTom in my Volt take voice commands
while moving. To manually set the Toyota you have to be stopped.



My truck (Canyon) also takes voice commands for the GPS. Haven't tried
it because so far I haven't gone anywhere that I don't know. I use the
voice commands for the phone all the time though. If I get a text
message, a female voice reads it to me, so I don't have to take my eyes
off the road.

On Tue, 03 Oct 2017 15:12:51 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 03 Oct 2017 15:00:33 -0400, John H
wrote:

On Tue, 03 Oct 2017 12:32:05 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 03 Oct 2017 10:08:35 -0400, John H
wrote:

The news has already said that he purchased many from a local gun shop. That included a background check.

Personally, I couldn't care less if every gun transaction required a background check. I've yet to
see where the background checks would have prevented any of these mass shootings, and I disagree
with the 'saving even one life would make anything worth it' approach to regulation enactment. Look
how many lives would be saved if the minimum driving license age was 21.

Hey stop it.
You are not allowed to talk about cars when we are talking about
unnecessary deaths!
They are just "the rub of the green".
How many deaths and injuries would be prevented if cell phones were
totally disabled in a moving car or simply disabling those attention
grabbing dash board toys?
They won't even test drivers. (the ability to parallel park ain't it)
These are all off limits because it would be too inconvenient.

Maryland has strict cell phone/driving laws. Yet there is not a time when driving in Maryland I
don't see folks talking or texting on their cell phones. It shows that a law makes no difference if
it's not enforced.

Most of the time that these things are tested, demonstrates that
talking on a hands free phone is as distracting as using a hand held.
It is not your hands that are distracted, it is your mind.
I am really surprised that these "smart" dash boards are legal.
If you are trying to set the options on the in car computer, you might
as well be driving from the trunk. Even fiddling with a radio that you
have to see to set is plenty distracting. That is why they invented
the push button radio and the "wonder bar" in the first place.

Talking is one thing. Texting is another. I see people staring at their cell phone while their thumb
is going crazy on it. They do stop for a second when I hold the horn down while right next to them.
But then they just give me the finger and continue.