On 10/3/17 7:58 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/2/2017 8:45 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/2/17 7:30 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 02 Oct 2017 18:09:38 -0400,
wrote:


That's all going to get a great deal of scrutiny by law enforcement of
course.Â* Based on the sound recordings I've heard it certainly seems
likely to have been full auto, and possibly belt fed based on the
duration of fire.Â* A 223 on full auto will empty a 30 round mag in
about 3 seconds and the bursts I heard seemed much longer than that.

Another interesting aspect that doesn't seem to have gotten any
coverage is the fact that the hotel has no apparent balconies or
opening windows.Â* That would imply that the shooter blew out the
windows from inside as he started his assault.

They do make larger drum type magazines for ARs.
He broke out the windows.

This was reported as being a "millionaire" so with enough money you
can buy anything. They also say he was a gambler so he may have been
an ex millionaire.
He may have just snapped after a bad night in the casino.


We can all be thankful that in the future Trump's wall and his
restrictions against Muslim nations will keep Mexican and Muslim
terrorists out, leaving the field open for native-born terrorists.


They may affect the influence of terrorist organizations like ISIS on
native-borns.Â* ISIS is claiming responsibility for his actions.

You seem to have just accepted that nothing can be done about these
kinds of horrific shootings and love to Monday morning quarterback every
attempt anyone makes to minimize the threats.


The overwhelming majority of these mass murder shootings are committed
by native-born Americans against other native-born Americans. Trump's
folly wall and muslim bans are just food for his base voters. As you
have pointed out, or at least I thought you did, *mandatory* background
checks for *every* firearms "buy-sell-trade" transaction would be a good
place to start and, yes, *every* means every.

On 10/3/2017 8:17 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/3/17 7:58 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/2/2017 8:45 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/2/17 7:30 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 02 Oct 2017 18:09:38 -0400,
wrote:


That's all going to get a great deal of scrutiny by law enforcement of
course.Â* Based on the sound recordings I've heard it certainly seems
likely to have been full auto, and possibly belt fed based on the
duration of fire.Â* A 223 on full auto will empty a 30 round mag in
about 3 seconds and the bursts I heard seemed much longer than that.

Another interesting aspect that doesn't seem to have gotten any
coverage is the fact that the hotel has no apparent balconies or
opening windows.Â* That would imply that the shooter blew out the
windows from inside as he started his assault.

They do make larger drum type magazines for ARs.
He broke out the windows.

This was reported as being a "millionaire" so with enough money you
can buy anything. They also say he was a gambler so he may have been
an ex millionaire.
He may have just snapped after a bad night in the casino.


We can all be thankful that in the future Trump's wall and his
restrictions against Muslim nations will keep Mexican and Muslim
terrorists out, leaving the field open for native-born terrorists.


They may affect the influence of terrorist organizations like ISIS on
native-borns.Â* ISIS is claiming responsibility for his actions.

You seem to have just accepted that nothing can be done about these
kinds of horrific shootings and love to Monday morning quarterback
every attempt anyone makes to minimize the threats.


The overwhelming majority of these mass murder shootings are committed
by native-born Americans against other native-born Americans. Trump's
folly wall and muslim bans are just food for his base voters. As you
have pointed out, or at least I thought you did, *mandatory* background
checks for *every* firearms "buy-sell-trade" transaction would be a good
place to start and, yes, *every* means every.


I am definitely in favor of mandatory, universal background checks for
firearm purchases. I know others disagree but I think it's only
commonsense. Like most complex issues in a diversified society, some
level of compromise is required to advance the welfare and safety of the
whole.

Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/3/2017 8:17 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/3/17 7:58 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/2/2017 8:45 PM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/2/17 7:30 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 02 Oct 2017 18:09:38 -0400,
wrote:


That's all going to get a great deal of scrutiny by law enforcement of
course.Â* Based on the sound recordings I've heard it certainly seems
likely to have been full auto, and possibly belt fed based on the
duration of fire.Â* A 223 on full auto will empty a 30 round mag in
about 3 seconds and the bursts I heard seemed much longer than that.

Another interesting aspect that doesn't seem to have gotten any
coverage is the fact that the hotel has no apparent balconies or
opening windows.Â* That would imply that the shooter blew out the
windows from inside as he started his assault.

They do make larger drum type magazines for ARs.
He broke out the windows.

This was reported as being a "millionaire" so with enough money you
can buy anything. They also say he was a gambler so he may have been
an ex millionaire.
He may have just snapped after a bad night in the casino.


We can all be thankful that in the future Trump's wall and his
restrictions against Muslim nations will keep Mexican and Muslim
terrorists out, leaving the field open for native-born terrorists.


They may affect the influence of terrorist organizations like ISIS on
native-borns.Â* ISIS is claiming responsibility for his actions.

You seem to have just accepted that nothing can be done about these
kinds of horrific shootings and love to Monday morning quarterback
every attempt anyone makes to minimize the threats.


The overwhelming majority of these mass murder shootings are committed
by native-born Americans against other native-born Americans. Trump's
folly wall and muslim bans are just food for his base voters. As you
have pointed out, or at least I thought you did, *mandatory* background
checks for *every* firearms "buy-sell-trade" transaction would be a good
place to start and, yes, *every* means every.


I am definitely in favor of mandatory, universal background checks for
firearm purchases. I know others disagree but I think it's only
commonsense. Like most complex issues in a diversified society, some
level of compromise is required to advance the welfare and safety of the
whole.






The problem is criminals will not background check. They will buy stolen
weapons. Gun shops are robbed, military arms are stolen. How many Chicago
shootings are committed by weapons that have been bought legally? We
really do not enforce gun laws, except on law abiding people. A lot of
years ago there was an Armored Car robbery in Canada. Weapon was found,
105 recoilless rifle. People figured it would be easy to find the
miscreants by tracing the rifle. Government comment. . . 105 recoilless
rifles were never sold to the public, and they are easy to acquire.
Biggest change over the years is the political correctness of treating
crazy people. Hard to institutionalize them now. How many really nutty
people have the people like Harry's spouse cured? What percentage?

On Tue, 3 Oct 2017 08:34:20 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


I am definitely in favor of mandatory, universal background checks for
firearm purchases. I know others disagree but I think it's only
commonsense. Like most complex issues in a diversified society, some
level of compromise is required to advance the welfare and safety of the
whole.


That is some nice feel good legislation but most of the mass shooters
passed background checks and hard core criminals have other avenues
for getting the guns they want.
Although this guy would have had no problem filling out a Form 4 and
getting the FBI/BATF to sell him a stamp, it appears his machine guns
were illegally obtained/modified.

On Tuesday, October 3, 2017 at 12:03:20 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Tue, 3 Oct 2017 08:34:20 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


I am definitely in favor of mandatory, universal background checks for
firearm purchases. I know others disagree but I think it's only
commonsense. Like most complex issues in a diversified society, some
level of compromise is required to advance the welfare and safety of the
whole.


That is some nice feel good legislation but most of the mass shooters
passed background checks and hard core criminals have other avenues
for getting the guns they want.
Although this guy would have had no problem filling out a Form 4 and
getting the FBI/BATF to sell him a stamp, it appears his machine guns
were illegally obtained/modified.

I heard some reports this morning saying he had a couple of "bump fire" stocks on AR's. At that point it's still a semi-auto with a stock that makes your finger hit the trigger much faster than you could do it manually.

On Tue, 3 Oct 2017 10:48:32 -0700 (PDT), Its Me
wrote:

On Tuesday, October 3, 2017 at 12:03:20 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Tue, 3 Oct 2017 08:34:20 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


I am definitely in favor of mandatory, universal background checks for
firearm purchases. I know others disagree but I think it's only
commonsense. Like most complex issues in a diversified society, some
level of compromise is required to advance the welfare and safety of the
whole.


That is some nice feel good legislation but most of the mass shooters
passed background checks and hard core criminals have other avenues
for getting the guns they want.
Although this guy would have had no problem filling out a Form 4 and
getting the FBI/BATF to sell him a stamp, it appears his machine guns
were illegally obtained/modified.

I heard some reports this morning saying he had a couple of "bump fire" stocks on AR's. At that point it's still a semi-auto with a stock that makes your finger hit the trigger much faster than you could do it manually.

I am really waiting for the actual facts but the fire did sound more
regular than I would expect from a bump fire stock. To be honest I
have never actually fired a gun like that. You can waste ammo faster
by just throwing it in the trash.

wrote:
On Tue, 3 Oct 2017 10:48:32 -0700 (PDT), Its Me
wrote:

On Tuesday, October 3, 2017 at 12:03:20 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Tue, 3 Oct 2017 08:34:20 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


I am definitely in favor of mandatory, universal background checks for
firearm purchases. I know others disagree but I think it's only
commonsense. Like most complex issues in a diversified society, some
level of compromise is required to advance the welfare and safety of the
whole.

That is some nice feel good legislation but most of the mass shooters
passed background checks and hard core criminals have other avenues
for getting the guns they want.
Although this guy would have had no problem filling out a Form 4 and
getting the FBI/BATF to sell him a stamp, it appears his machine guns
were illegally obtained/modified.
I heard some reports this morning saying he had a couple of "bump fire" stocks on AR's. At that point it's still a semi-auto with a stock that makes your finger hit the trigger much faster than you could do it manually.
I am really waiting for the actual facts but the fire did sound more
regular than I would expect from a bump fire stock. To be honest I
have never actually fired a gun like that. You can waste ammo faster
by just throwing it in the trash.

Could have been a double tap trigger.

On Tue, 3 Oct 2017 19:33:50 -0400, Alex wrote:

wrote:
On Tue, 3 Oct 2017 10:48:32 -0700 (PDT), Its Me
wrote:

On Tuesday, October 3, 2017 at 12:03:20 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Tue, 3 Oct 2017 08:34:20 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


I am definitely in favor of mandatory, universal background checks for
firearm purchases. I know others disagree but I think it's only
commonsense. Like most complex issues in a diversified society, some
level of compromise is required to advance the welfare and safety of the
whole.

That is some nice feel good legislation but most of the mass shooters
passed background checks and hard core criminals have other avenues
for getting the guns they want.
Although this guy would have had no problem filling out a Form 4 and
getting the FBI/BATF to sell him a stamp, it appears his machine guns
were illegally obtained/modified.
I heard some reports this morning saying he had a couple of "bump fire" stocks on AR's. At that point it's still a semi-auto with a stock that makes your finger hit the trigger much faster than you could do it manually.
I am really waiting for the actual facts but the fire did sound more
regular than I would expect from a bump fire stock. To be honest I
have never actually fired a gun like that. You can waste ammo faster
by just throwing it in the trash.

Could have been a double tap trigger.

Bump stock.

In article ,
says...

On Tue, 3 Oct 2017 10:48:32 -0700 (PDT), Its Me
wrote:

On Tuesday, October 3, 2017 at 12:03:20 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Tue, 3 Oct 2017 08:34:20 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


I am definitely in favor of mandatory, universal background checks for
firearm purchases. I know others disagree but I think it's only
commonsense. Like most complex issues in a diversified society, some
level of compromise is required to advance the welfare and safety of the
whole.


That is some nice feel good legislation but most of the mass shooters
passed background checks and hard core criminals have other avenues
for getting the guns they want.
Although this guy would have had no problem filling out a Form 4 and
getting the FBI/BATF to sell him a stamp, it appears his machine guns
were illegally obtained/modified.

I heard some reports this morning saying he had a couple of "bump fire" stocks on AR's. At that point it's still a semi-auto with a stock that makes your finger hit the trigger much faster than you could do it manually.

I am really waiting for the actual facts but the fire did sound more
regular than I would expect from a bump fire stock. To be honest I
have never actually fired a gun like that. You can waste ammo faster
by just throwing it in the trash.

Ammo wasn't wasted. The gun nuttery worked quite well.
59 dead.

Boating All Out wrote:
In article ,
says...
On Tue, 3 Oct 2017 10:48:32 -0700 (PDT), Its Me
wrote:

On Tuesday, October 3, 2017 at 12:03:20 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Tue, 3 Oct 2017 08:34:20 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


I am definitely in favor of mandatory, universal background checks for
firearm purchases. I know others disagree but I think it's only
commonsense. Like most complex issues in a diversified society, some
level of compromise is required to advance the welfare and safety of the
whole.

That is some nice feel good legislation but most of the mass shooters
passed background checks and hard core criminals have other avenues
for getting the guns they want.
Although this guy would have had no problem filling out a Form 4 and
getting the FBI/BATF to sell him a stamp, it appears his machine guns
were illegally obtained/modified.
I heard some reports this morning saying he had a couple of "bump fire" stocks on AR's. At that point it's still a semi-auto with a stock that makes your finger hit the trigger much faster than you could do it manually.
I am really waiting for the actual facts but the fire did sound more
regular than I would expect from a bump fire stock. To be honest I
have never actually fired a gun like that. You can waste ammo faster
by just throwing it in the trash.
Ammo wasn't wasted. The gun nuttery worked quite well.
59 dead.
It that right, Kevin?