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On 10/5/17 12:30 AM, RGrew176 wrote:
I am hoping that congress will someday pass some sort or reciprocity bill whereby a state will be required to recognize a Concealed Carry license or permit from other states.

Right now the other 49 states recognize my Michigan drivers license. As to my Concealed Carry Permit there are 8 states + some territories that do not reciprocate and recognize my carry permit.

Right now I can conceal carry in all but California, Connecticut, District of Columbia, Guam, Hawaii, Illinois, Maryland, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New York, New York City, Oregon, Puerto Rico, Rhode Island, Virgin Islands, American Samoa, N. Mariana Islands

A reciprocity bill would take care of that situation.



Gosh, if only you were at that concert in Vegas with your concealed
carry pistola, why, you would have been able to take out that nutcase on
the 32nd floor and save dozens of lives.

I let my Maryland carry permit expire. Carrying a concealed firearm is a
pain in the ass, among other discomforts.

Besides, if you are really worried, you should open carry and strap an
AR to your back. That way, everyone will give you wide berth on your
shopping trips to WalMart.

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On 10/5/2017 7:45 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/5/17 12:30 AM, RGrew176 wrote:
I am hoping that congress will someday pass some sort or reciprocity
bill whereby a state will be required to recognize a Concealed Carry
license or permit from other states.

Right now the other 49 states recognize my Michigan drivers license.
As to my Concealed Carry Permit there are 8 states + some territories
that do not reciprocate and recognize my carry permit.

Right now I can conceal carry in all but California, Connecticut,
District of Columbia, Guam, Hawaii, Illinois, Maryland, Massachusetts,
New Jersey, New York, New York City, Oregon, Puerto Rico, Rhode
Island, Virgin Islands, American Samoa, N. Mariana Islands

A reciprocity bill would take care of that situation.



Gosh, if only you were at that concert in Vegas with your concealed
carry pistola, why, you would have been able to take out that nutcase on
the 32nd floor and save dozens of lives.

I let my Maryland carry permit expire. Carrying a concealed firearm is a
pain in the ass, among other discomforts.

Besides, if you are really worried, you should open carry and strap an
AR to your back. That way, everyone will give you wide berth on your
shopping trips to WalMart.


I don't think RGrew was thinking of his ability to take out someone like
the shooter in Las Vegas. I think, like me, he was referring more to
the legal ability to travel from state to state with a firearm without
fear of being arrested and thrown in the clink simply for having one in
his car.

One of the purposes of having a gun permit is for last resort, self
defense in the rare, but always possible event of encountering a
situation where it's the bad guy or you (or people with you). Weird
stuff happens on the road now-a-days.

Sometimes I carry. Most often I don't. It all depends on where I am
going and who I have with me. I certainly don't find it to be a pain in
the ass. Maybe you have the wrong type of carry handgun.

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On Tue, 3 Oct 2017 10:48:32 -0700 (PDT), Its Me
wrote:

On Tuesday, October 3, 2017 at 12:03:20 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Tue, 3 Oct 2017 08:34:20 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:


I am definitely in favor of mandatory, universal background checks for
firearm purchases. I know others disagree but I think it's only
commonsense. Like most complex issues in a diversified society, some
level of compromise is required to advance the welfare and safety of the
whole.

That is some nice feel good legislation but most of the mass shooters
passed background checks and hard core criminals have other avenues
for getting the guns they want.
Although this guy would have had no problem filling out a Form 4 and
getting the FBI/BATF to sell him a stamp, it appears his machine guns
were illegally obtained/modified.
I heard some reports this morning saying he had a couple of "bump fire" stocks on AR's. At that point it's still a semi-auto with a stock that makes your finger hit the trigger much faster than you could do it manually.
I am really waiting for the actual facts but the fire did sound more
regular than I would expect from a bump fire stock. To be honest I
have never actually fired a gun like that. You can waste ammo faster
by just throwing it in the trash.
Ammo wasn't wasted. The gun nuttery worked quite well.
59 dead.
It that right, Kevin?



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On 10/5/17 8:11 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/5/2017 7:45 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/5/17 12:30 AM, RGrew176 wrote:
I am hoping that congress will someday pass some sort or reciprocity
bill whereby a state will be required to recognize a Concealed Carry
license or permit from other states.

Right now the other 49 states recognize my Michigan drivers license.
As to my Concealed Carry Permit there are 8 states + some territories
that do not reciprocate and recognize my carry permit.

Right now I can conceal carry in all but California, Connecticut,
District of Columbia, Guam, Hawaii, Illinois, Maryland,
Massachusetts, New Jersey, New York, New York City, Oregon, Puerto
Rico, Rhode Island, Virgin Islands, American Samoa, N. Mariana Islands

A reciprocity bill would take care of that situation.



Gosh, if only you were at that concert in Vegas with your concealed
carry pistola, why, you would have been able to take out that nutcase
on the 32nd floor and save dozens of lives.

I let my Maryland carry permit expire. Carrying a concealed firearm is
a pain in the ass, among other discomforts.

Besides, if you are really worried, you should open carry and strap an
AR to your back. That way, everyone will give you wide berth on your
shopping trips to WalMart.


I don't think RGrew was thinking of his ability to take out someone like
the shooter in Las Vegas.Â* I think, like me, he was referring more to
the legal ability to travel from state to state with a firearm without
fear of being arrested and thrown in the clink simply for having one in
his car.

One of the purposes of having a gun permit is for last resort, self
defense in the rare, but always possible event of encountering a
situation where it's the bad guy or you (or people with you).Â* Weird
stuff happens on the road now-a-days.

Sometimes I carry.Â* Most often I don't.Â* It all depends on where I am
going and who I have with me.Â* I certainly don't find it to be a pain in
the ass.Â* Maybe you have the wrong type of carry handgun.



Yeah, I know why people say they carry. You can drive from state to
state with an unloaded firearm in a case or box and not available for
ready use.

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On Wed, 4 Oct 2017 21:30:00 -0700 (PDT), RGrew176 wrote:

I am hoping that congress will someday pass some sort or reciprocity bill whereby a state will be required to recognize a Concealed Carry license or permit from other states.

Right now the other 49 states recognize my Michigan drivers license. As to my Concealed Carry Permit there are 8 states + some territories that do not reciprocate and recognize my carry permit.

Right now I can conceal carry in all but California, Connecticut, District of Columbia, Guam, Hawaii, Illinois, Maryland, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New York, New York City, Oregon, Puerto Rico, Rhode Island, Virgin Islands, American Samoa, N. Mariana Islands

A reciprocity bill would take care of that situation.

Isn't it also strange that the states with the highest homicide urban areas, Maryland, Illinois,
District of Columbia, etc, are the ones in which reciprocity does not exist.

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On Thu, 5 Oct 2017 08:11:17 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 10/5/2017 7:45 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/5/17 12:30 AM, RGrew176 wrote:
I am hoping that congress will someday pass some sort or reciprocity
bill whereby a state will be required to recognize a Concealed Carry
license or permit from other states.

Right now the other 49 states recognize my Michigan drivers license.
As to my Concealed Carry Permit there are 8 states + some territories
that do not reciprocate and recognize my carry permit.

Right now I can conceal carry in all but California, Connecticut,
District of Columbia, Guam, Hawaii, Illinois, Maryland, Massachusetts,
New Jersey, New York, New York City, Oregon, Puerto Rico, Rhode
Island, Virgin Islands, American Samoa, N. Mariana Islands

A reciprocity bill would take care of that situation.



Gosh, if only you were at that concert in Vegas with your concealed
carry pistola, why, you would have been able to take out that nutcase on
the 32nd floor and save dozens of lives.

I let my Maryland carry permit expire. Carrying a concealed firearm is a
pain in the ass, among other discomforts.

Besides, if you are really worried, you should open carry and strap an
AR to your back. That way, everyone will give you wide berth on your
shopping trips to WalMart.


I don't think RGrew was thinking of his ability to take out someone like
the shooter in Las Vegas. I think, like me, he was referring more to
the legal ability to travel from state to state with a firearm without
fear of being arrested and thrown in the clink simply for having one in
his car.

One of the purposes of having a gun permit is for last resort, self
defense in the rare, but always possible event of encountering a
situation where it's the bad guy or you (or people with you). Weird
stuff happens on the road now-a-days.

Sometimes I carry. Most often I don't. It all depends on where I am
going and who I have with me. I certainly don't find it to be a pain in
the ass. Maybe you have the wrong type of carry handgun.


I think Harry was referring to this:

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2...ncealed-carry/

He's just not bragged about it much. Maybe it doesn't get dime-sized groupings at 25 yards like his
other pistols do.

Hillary is wasting no time!
 

On 10/5/2017 9:42 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/5/17 8:11 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/5/2017 7:45 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/5/17 12:30 AM, RGrew176 wrote:
I am hoping that congress will someday pass some sort or reciprocity
bill whereby a state will be required to recognize a Concealed Carry
license or permit from other states.

Right now the other 49 states recognize my Michigan drivers license.
As to my Concealed Carry Permit there are 8 states + some
territories that do not reciprocate and recognize my carry permit.

Right now I can conceal carry in all but California, Connecticut,
District of Columbia, Guam, Hawaii, Illinois, Maryland,
Massachusetts, New Jersey, New York, New York City, Oregon, Puerto
Rico, Rhode Island, Virgin Islands, American Samoa, N. Mariana Islands

A reciprocity bill would take care of that situation.



Gosh, if only you were at that concert in Vegas with your concealed
carry pistola, why, you would have been able to take out that nutcase
on the 32nd floor and save dozens of lives.

I let my Maryland carry permit expire. Carrying a concealed firearm
is a pain in the ass, among other discomforts.

Besides, if you are really worried, you should open carry and strap
an AR to your back. That way, everyone will give you wide berth on
your shopping trips to WalMart.


I don't think RGrew was thinking of his ability to take out someone
like the shooter in Las Vegas.Â* I think, like me, he was referring
more to the legal ability to travel from state to state with a firearm
without fear of being arrested and thrown in the clink simply for
having one in his car.

One of the purposes of having a gun permit is for last resort, self
defense in the rare, but always possible event of encountering a
situation where it's the bad guy or you (or people with you).Â* Weird
stuff happens on the road now-a-days.

Sometimes I carry.Â* Most often I don't.Â* It all depends on where I am
going and who I have with me.Â* I certainly don't find it to be a pain
in the ass.Â* Maybe you have the wrong type of carry handgun.



Yeah, I know why people say they carry. You can drive from state to
state with an unloaded firearm in a case or box and not available for
ready use.


My last read of the laws in some states says it's still confusing and
can be up to local cops to interpret. For example, you can "pass
through" New York with an unloaded handgun stored in a locked box in the
trunk or, as you say, not available for ready use. However, you
technically can not stop for anything other than short periods, (can't
overnight in a hotel) *and* you must be traveling from a state that
issued a permit *to* another state that recognizes your permit. Kinda
stupid because how does law enforcement know where you are traveling to?

On the entire east coast, the only state that recognizes a MA permit is
North Carolina. If stopped for some reason and my locked, unloaded gun
was discovered, I'd just say I was traveling the North Carolina.

Hillary is wasting no time!
 

On 10/5/2017 9:45 AM, John H wrote:
On Thu, 5 Oct 2017 08:11:17 -0400, "Mr. Luddite" wrote:

On 10/5/2017 7:45 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/5/17 12:30 AM, RGrew176 wrote:
I am hoping that congress will someday pass some sort or reciprocity
bill whereby a state will be required to recognize a Concealed Carry
license or permit from other states.

Right now the other 49 states recognize my Michigan drivers license.
As to my Concealed Carry Permit there are 8 states + some territories
that do not reciprocate and recognize my carry permit.

Right now I can conceal carry in all but California, Connecticut,
District of Columbia, Guam, Hawaii, Illinois, Maryland, Massachusetts,
New Jersey, New York, New York City, Oregon, Puerto Rico, Rhode
Island, Virgin Islands, American Samoa, N. Mariana Islands

A reciprocity bill would take care of that situation.



Gosh, if only you were at that concert in Vegas with your concealed
carry pistola, why, you would have been able to take out that nutcase on
the 32nd floor and save dozens of lives.

I let my Maryland carry permit expire. Carrying a concealed firearm is a
pain in the ass, among other discomforts.

Besides, if you are really worried, you should open carry and strap an
AR to your back. That way, everyone will give you wide berth on your
shopping trips to WalMart.


I don't think RGrew was thinking of his ability to take out someone like
the shooter in Las Vegas. I think, like me, he was referring more to
the legal ability to travel from state to state with a firearm without
fear of being arrested and thrown in the clink simply for having one in
his car.

One of the purposes of having a gun permit is for last resort, self
defense in the rare, but always possible event of encountering a
situation where it's the bad guy or you (or people with you). Weird
stuff happens on the road now-a-days.

Sometimes I carry. Most often I don't. It all depends on where I am
going and who I have with me. I certainly don't find it to be a pain in
the ass. Maybe you have the wrong type of carry handgun.


I think Harry was referring to this:

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2...ncealed-carry/

He's just not bragged about it much. Maybe it doesn't get dime-sized groupings at 25 yards like his
other pistols do.



Ah. Now I know why he complains that for him carrying is a pain in the ass.

Hillary is wasting no time!
 

On 10/5/17 10:06 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/5/2017 9:42 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/5/17 8:11 AM, Mr. Luddite wrote:
On 10/5/2017 7:45 AM, Keyser Soze wrote:
On 10/5/17 12:30 AM, RGrew176 wrote:
I am hoping that congress will someday pass some sort or
reciprocity bill whereby a state will be required to recognize a
Concealed Carry license or permit from other states.

Right now the other 49 states recognize my Michigan drivers
license. As to my Concealed Carry Permit there are 8 states + some
territories that do not reciprocate and recognize my carry permit.

Right now I can conceal carry in all but California, Connecticut,
District of Columbia, Guam, Hawaii, Illinois, Maryland,
Massachusetts, New Jersey, New York, New York City, Oregon, Puerto
Rico, Rhode Island, Virgin Islands, American Samoa, N. Mariana Islands

A reciprocity bill would take care of that situation.



Gosh, if only you were at that concert in Vegas with your concealed
carry pistola, why, you would have been able to take out that
nutcase on the 32nd floor and save dozens of lives.

I let my Maryland carry permit expire. Carrying a concealed firearm
is a pain in the ass, among other discomforts.

Besides, if you are really worried, you should open carry and strap
an AR to your back. That way, everyone will give you wide berth on
your shopping trips to WalMart.


I don't think RGrew was thinking of his ability to take out someone
like the shooter in Las Vegas.Â* I think, like me, he was referring
more to the legal ability to travel from state to state with a
firearm without fear of being arrested and thrown in the clink simply
for having one in his car.

One of the purposes of having a gun permit is for last resort, self
defense in the rare, but always possible event of encountering a
situation where it's the bad guy or you (or people with you).Â* Weird
stuff happens on the road now-a-days.

Sometimes I carry.Â* Most often I don't.Â* It all depends on where I am
going and who I have with me.Â* I certainly don't find it to be a pain
in the ass.Â* Maybe you have the wrong type of carry handgun.



Yeah, I know why people say they carry. You can drive from state to
state with an unloaded firearm in a case or box and not available for
ready use.


My last read of the laws in some states says it's still confusing and
can be up to local cops to interpret.Â* For example, you can "pass
through" New York with an unloaded handgun stored in a locked box in the
trunk or, as you say, not available for ready use.Â* However, you
technically can not stop for anything other than short periods, (can't
overnight in a hotel)Â* *and* you must be traveling from a state that
issued a permit *to* another state that recognizes your permit.Â* Kinda
stupid because how does law enforcement know where you are traveling to?

On the entire east coast, the only state that recognizes a MA permit is
North Carolina.Â* If stopped for some reason and my locked, unloaded gun
was discovered, I'd just say I was traveling the North Carolina.


I carry firearms in the trunk or in the back of the truck, which has a
locking lid. Not loaded, and I keep the mags and the ammo in a locked
box in the back of the cab. The mags are not loaded. I'm not concerned
about cop stops.

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On Wed, 4 Oct 2017 14:59:55 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 10/4/2017 1:57 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 4 Oct 2017 13:01:44 -0400, "Mr. Luddite"
wrote:

On 10/4/2017 11:36 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 04 Oct 2017 10:15:18 -0400, John H
wrote:


What kind of permit are you speaking of. Can individuals make private sales without involving an FFL
holder, simply be going online and inputting the numbers?

That seems to be the loophole in the system. If you wanted to hide the
real transfer, you would just enter a few phony transactions.



You'd have to be a good guesser. The on-line systems checks for current
permit numbers versus names versus addresses. Sale isn't valid if
numbers don't match up.

I wonder how "secret" that list is?
In a world where just about anything has been leaked to the web, I
can't imagine it would be hard for a serious criminal to get some
valid names and numbers.
The problem is, nobody would know until a gun was recovered and
traced. That assumes someone really wants to hide a gun's provenance.
Of course if you are a criminal, you just sell the gun and don't tell
anyone. It will usually move around in the black market for a while
before it pops up again at a crime scene or ends up in Boston Harbor
with a body or two on it.



Heh. I know you love to find faults with just about any government rule
or regulation but the private sale system has been in operation here for
many years and seems to work well. You don't hear too many gun nut
issues originating out of MA.

Makes me wonder how you were able to handle being a building inspector.
All those codes, rules, regulations, etc. :-)


Bad example
They are enforceable rules but only if the person on the other end was
licensed and had a permit. If they chose to work without a license or
not have a permit, there was little I could do.

Actually in my job, the person doing the work was a government
employee most of the time so there was really nothing I could do but
try to talk them into doing the right thing. They could just say ****
you, never call me back for the reinspection and nothing bad happened
to them.